(09-12-2022, 12:45 PM)Chris P. Bacon Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2022, 09:23 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Rather deep and insightful, and rather an extraordinary bit of self realization I think. You say OFv4 is fast tracking the process, but it is only moving at the pace you will do best with.
I see. I forgot that it adjusts to the pace the user can handle. Thank you for the reminder.
Now that you mention it, it is a rather deep realization and it's been something that has taken years to get to this point. Maybe the realization seemed quick, casual and somewhat fleeting but I wonder how long that reality was "waiting in the wings".
This realization brings forth another set of questions.
1. Am I actually perceiving this correctly?
The unseen and somewhat intangible are always vague and without definite substance and putting it into words, an act of definitiveness and parsing out (especially in the English language) in an attempt to concretely define something to others seems like a task that is always doomed to be inadequate. Looking back at my post last night it seems a little jumbled as I was trying to describe what I was feeling but I'm not sure that I am even perceiving this correctly so I could be on to something as far as my internal state is concerned or I am not. If not then not only is my explanation wrong but so is the whole premise; a double deviation. That could derail me for years if I confidently believe my perception to be correct and take action from that place. If you travel towards a destination and are off by one degree, then the error becomes worse the farther you go. While I felt confident in what I felt and my rudimentary explanation I must take time to consider the truth of it all.
The eloquence and depth with which you describe it, despite your claim of jumble, suggests that you are perceiving it correctly in my opinion.
Quote: 2. If I am correct then how many people have built their life around fear?
This will take observation and time to arrive at any conclusion, but the implications are staggering. How many people are in a generally unconscious state of fear that isn't even really them as a person?
I would wager with confidence that the answer is something in excess of 99.99%.
Quote: 3. Who really is any person then?
Fear is rooted in every person to some degree. If I was willing and able to build a lot of my personality around fear then who else is like that and who are they really? Who is any one person? What are they really like? If fear can be so all-encompassing then what does it look like to remove it? What do we look like if we remove it?
I think you are making a mistake asking this question. Fear is not who you are, it is what you respond with and focus your awareness through and into. You did not build your personality around fear, you made decisions as to what to do based on and in fear that resulted in what you chose to be (temporarily) and how you chose to express that being-ness. This presents you an opportunity to really examine yourself deeply and get to know yourself in a way that few people ever have the opportunity to do.
Quote: 4. Will OF4 be able to remove it completely or will it creep back in after I am done with it?
This could be my biggest concern. If I live in a state of progressing fearlessness while on OF4 but it doesn't fully stick then what? I can do nothing about it so I'll just watch but it is a concern and ironically possibly a fear of mine at present.
The real question is, will you use OF v4 for long enough, or not? If it can have this level of profound impact on you, then it is my contention that the rest is just a matter of time. Will you give it enough time to finish the job or not?
Quote:These are just what comes to mind but the irony is that these all could possibly be fear-based questions. Having such a large part of your existence be unmasked as fear really brings a lot of things into question. Most likely I'll have my answers about myself with time so patience will be key but for now, this realization brought more questions than answers.
In other news, I had light sleep last night, as it was my first night on again. This pattern seems pretty established at this point. The first day back on is a slightly turbulent day on OF and today is no exception.
I am deriving less and less enjoyment from the habits and ways I seek pleasure. This has been going on before OF and it could be a brain issue or it could be that I truly have lost the sense of enjoyment from them due to the increase of fear hijacking everything and turning it into avoidance and coping. It feels like the latter to me but who knows. The part of me that avoids the present and retreats further into the mind also seems like the part that tries to resist subs but that's more of a theory than anything concrete to me.
OF is still working but some deep fears are getting worked on. It's hard but stopping won't fix anything so on we go.
It could also have been TID.
The part of you that responds with fears is most certainly the part of you that fights the change that the parts of you cooperating with subliminals seek to accomplish.
(09-12-2022, 07:13 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2022, 12:45 PM)Chris P. Bacon Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2022, 09:23 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Rather deep and insightful, and rather an extraordinary bit of self realization I think. You say OFv4 is fast tracking the process, but it is only moving at the pace you will do best with.
I see. I forgot that it adjusts to the pace the user can handle. Thank you for the reminder.
Now that you mention it, it is a rather deep realization and it's been something that has taken years to get to this point. Maybe the realization seemed quick, casual and somewhat fleeting but I wonder how long that reality was "waiting in the wings".
This realization brings forth another set of questions.
1. Am I actually perceiving this correctly?
The unseen and somewhat intangible are always vague and without definite substance and putting it into words, an act of definitiveness and parsing out (especially in the English language) in an attempt to concretely define something to others seems like a task that is always doomed to be inadequate. Looking back at my post last night it seems a little jumbled as I was trying to describe what I was feeling but I'm not sure that I am even perceiving this correctly so I could be on to something as far as my internal state is concerned or I am not. If not then not only is my explanation wrong but so is the whole premise; a double deviation. That could derail me for years if I confidently believe my perception to be correct and take action from that place. If you travel towards a destination and are off by one degree, then the error becomes worse the farther you go. While I felt confident in what I felt and my rudimentary explanation I must take time to consider the truth of it all.
The eloquence and depth with which you describe it, despite your claim of jumble, suggests that you are perceiving it correctly in my opinion.
Quote: 2. If I am correct then how many people have built their life around fear?
This will take observation and time to arrive at any conclusion, but the implications are staggering. How many people are in a generally unconscious state of fear that isn't even really them as a person?
I would wager with confidence that the answer is something in excess of 99.99%.
Quote: 3. Who really is any person then?
Fear is rooted in every person to some degree. If I was willing and able to build a lot of my personality around fear then who else is like that and who are they really? Who is any one person? What are they really like? If fear can be so all-encompassing then what does it look like to remove it? What do we look like if we remove it?
I think you are making a mistake asking this question. Fear is not who you are, it is what you respond with and focus your awareness through and into. You did not build your personality around fear, you made decisions as to what to do based on and in fear that resulted in what you chose to be (temporarily) and how you chose to express that being-ness. This presents you an opportunity to really examine yourself deeply and get to know yourself in a way that few people ever have the opportunity to do.
Quote: 4. Will OF4 be able to remove it completely or will it creep back in after I am done with it?
This could be my biggest concern. If I live in a state of progressing fearlessness while on OF4 but it doesn't fully stick then what? I can do nothing about it so I'll just watch but it is a concern and ironically possibly a fear of mine at present.
The real question is, will you use OF v4 for long enough, or not? If it can have this level of profound impact on you, then it is my contention that the rest is just a matter of time. Will you give it enough time to finish the job or not?
Quote:These are just what comes to mind but the irony is that these all could possibly be fear-based questions. Having such a large part of your existence be unmasked as fear really brings a lot of things into question. Most likely I'll have my answers about myself with time so patience will be key but for now, this realization brought more questions than answers.
In other news, I had light sleep last night, as it was my first night on again. This pattern seems pretty established at this point. The first day back on is a slightly turbulent day on OF and today is no exception.
I am deriving less and less enjoyment from the habits and ways I seek pleasure. This has been going on before OF and it could be a brain issue or it could be that I truly have lost the sense of enjoyment from them due to the increase of fear hijacking everything and turning it into avoidance and coping. It feels like the latter to me but who knows. The part of me that avoids the present and retreats further into the mind also seems like the part that tries to resist subs but that's more of a theory than anything concrete to me.
OF is still working but some deep fears are getting worked on. It's hard but stopping won't fix anything so on we go.
It could also have been TID.
The part of you that responds with fears is most certainly the part of you that fights the change that the parts of you cooperating with subliminals seek to accomplish.
For #1. Thank you for the feedback. I personally felt I could have written it better but I guess that something can always be written better.
For #2 that % makes sense.
For #3 thank you for the reminder. Earlier I wrote fear is not me and I'm not fear. Going to have to keep hammering away at that reality for a while. Also, your explanation of what was really going on was very helpful.
For #4 I had planned to run OF4 for its full course till January IIRC. I bought it the day it came out so I believe it's January. My concern was subconscious boredom. However, I just had the thought that boredom might just be in response to stonewalling the program and that if I don't stonewall I may never get bored of it. I have yet to plateau or stonewall so I think that OF will keep executing till the end of those 7 months. If that's the case then I'll probably just keep using it till I feel like I find an endpoint. On a somewhat unrelated note;I have no basis for this assumption, save an intuition, but I think there is 1 more version of OF and I think it'll land before 6G. This seems rather presumptuous, even to me but that's the feeling I keep getting.
In other news; last night was great. It seems that I got over the issue that has been bothering me for the last 2 cycles and the release was big. I have to watch myself as the euphoria could make me do something really stupid, but i feel quite a bit freer (more free?) than as of late.
INSTRUCTIONS!!!!! Today I realized that fear blocked the true meaning of that word in relation to subs till now. Subliminals are instructions. They aren't telling you what to do but instructing you about a possible reality. To me this is important. I don't like being told what to do, but I don't mind being taught or instructed and I enjoy learning as well. Subliminals, when seen in that light, are something different than my subconscious made them out to be due to fear. No boogey man here!
Not only that, but to me the concept of instruction conveys worth. No one puts intense effort or any effort for that matter into instructing someone if they are of no value or aren't worth teaching. Attempt to learn anything from anyone who isn't paid to teach you and you'll find you have to prove you're worthwhile to be taught in the first place. I know it may sound weird but the fact that subliminals are instructions in reality conveys the intrinsic worth of the recipeint. I'm defenitely worth being instructed, I just couldn't see the reality of the situation because of fear until today.
Last night I also figured out something health wise that is giving me A LOT of sustained energy which lingered througout the day. I know it's been tough for me this last week and a half but days like this really make the process worth it.
yay
Quote:On a somewhat unrelated note;I have no basis for this assumption, save an intuition, but I think there is 1 more version of OF and I think it'll land before 6G. This seems rather presumptuous, even to me but that's the feeling I keep getting.
I believe that there will be one more version of this subliminal as well, but I had come to expect to build it again in 6G and then be done with it. I am not yet aware of the last part of the path forward to 6G; I know roughly how to get to it, and roughly what script needs to be developed, optimized and such, but I do not yet know how many steps it will require. I also never know when I will make a breakthrough, nor where that breakthrough will be applied. So it is possible.
Quote:INSTRUCTIONS!!!!! Today I realized that fear blocked the true meaning of that word in relation to subs till now. Subliminals are instructions. They aren't telling you what to do but instructing you about a possible reality. To me this is important. I don't like being told what to do, but I don't mind being taught or instructed and I enjoy learning as well. Subliminals, when seen in that light, are something different than my subconscious made them out to be due to fear. No boogey man here!
Not only that, but to me the concept of instruction conveys worth. No one puts intense effort or any effort for that matter into instructing someone if they are of no value or aren't worth teaching. Attempt to learn anything from anyone who isn't paid to teach you and you'll find you have to prove you're worthwhile to be taught in the first place. I know it may sound weird but the fact that subliminals are instructions in reality conveys the intrinsic worth of the recipeint. I'm defenitely worth being instructed, I just couldn't see the reality of the situation because of fear until today.
I would like to point out that
MY subliminals are sets of instructions. I do not speak for the makers of other subliminals, who may still rely on affirmations, afformations and in some cases, sets of demands. I do not know what goes into the scripts of the subliminals made by others. But my programs and experiences are designed as a set of instructions. "This is how we can achieve this goal." I do not force, I do not confuse, I do not ask questions. I give the way to achieve a goal and then persuade to act on the instructions. You always have your free will with my experiences, which is why resistance remains possible. As I better and better understand how the subconscious awareness works, I can better and better approach it in ways that are successfully persuasive. Trying to force, demand, etc. only creates more resistance. Trying to offer a better way is much more effective.
(09-14-2022, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:On a somewhat unrelated note;I have no basis for this assumption, save an intuition, but I think there is 1 more version of OF and I think it'll land before 6G. This seems rather presumptuous, even to me but that's the feeling I keep getting.
I believe that there will be one more version of this subliminal as well, but I had come to expect to build it again in 6G and then be done with it. I am not yet aware of the last part of the path forward to 6G; I know roughly how to get to it, and roughly what script needs to be developed, optimized and such, but I do not yet know how many steps it will require. I also never know when I will make a breakthrough, nor where that breakthrough will be applied. So it is possible.
Quote:INSTRUCTIONS!!!!! Today I realized that fear blocked the true meaning of that word in relation to subs till now. Subliminals are instructions. They aren't telling you what to do but instructing you about a possible reality. To me this is important. I don't like being told what to do, but I don't mind being taught or instructed and I enjoy learning as well. Subliminals, when seen in that light, are something different than my subconscious made them out to be due to fear. No boogey man here!
Not only that, but to me the concept of instruction conveys worth. No one puts intense effort or any effort for that matter into instructing someone if they are of no value or aren't worth teaching. Attempt to learn anything from anyone who isn't paid to teach you and you'll find you have to prove you're worthwhile to be taught in the first place. I know it may sound weird but the fact that subliminals are instructions in reality conveys the intrinsic worth of the recipeint. I'm defenitely worth being instructed, I just couldn't see the reality of the situation because of fear until today.
I would like to point out that MY subliminals are sets of instructions. I do not speak for the makers of other subliminals, who may still rely on affirmations, afformations and in some cases, sets of demands. I do not know what goes into the scripts of the subliminals made by others. But my programs and experiences are designed as a set of instructions. "This is how we can achieve this goal." I do not force, I do not confuse, I do not ask questions. I give the way to achieve a goal and then persuade to act on the instructions. You always have your free will with my experiences, which is why resistance remains possible. As I better and better understand how the subconscious awareness works, I can better and better approach it in ways that are successfully persuasive. Trying to force, demand, etc. only creates more resistance. Trying to offer a better way is much more effective.
Quote:I believe that there will be one more version of this subliminal as well, but I had come to expect to build it again in 6G and then be done with it. I am not yet aware of the last part of the path forward to 6G; I know roughly how to get to it, and roughly what script needs to be developed, optimized and such, but I do not yet know how many steps it will require. I also never know when I will make a breakthrough, nor where that breakthrough will be applied. So it is possible.
For me, this is all an experiment on trusting my intuition more. This is what I feel my intuition is saying but as far as if it's true or the specifics are correct is beyond me. It would be interesting to see one more OF before 6g because I feel that any resistance due to fear can be "drained" before it ever becomes a problem, thus making resistance a thing of the past for 99% of users. I feel like the ability to ramp up power as needed in this version of OF is the "second to last" step in OF's evolution.
When I think about what I'm saying I can't help but laugh at myself. I don't understand the specifics of any of this so I hope you will pardon my ignorance.
Quote:I would like to point out that MY subliminals are sets of instructions. I do not speak for the makers of other subliminals, who may still rely on affirmations, afformations and in some cases, sets of demands. I do not know what goes into the scripts of the subliminals made by others. But my programs and experiences are designed as a set of instructions. "This is how we can achieve this goal." I do not force, I do not confuse, I do not ask questions. I give the way to achieve a goal and then persuade to act on the instructions. You always have your free will with my experiences, which is why resistance remains possible. As I better and better understand how the subconscious awareness works, I can better and better approach it in ways that are successfully persuasive. Trying to force, demand, etc. only creates more resistance. Trying to offer a better way is much more effective.
Indeed. I have only ever used your Subliminals so my experience with subliminals is quite biased and therefore lacking in some ways. Thank you for adding clarification.
My days off were good. The last 2 cycles were a bit discouraging as I felt like I did before starting OF. This off cycle was very encouraging. Although I am noticing a pattern when it comes to what I'll refer to as "shifts"
Somewhere on the 3rd day off, I feel like I "shift" back to a reality not fully based off of OF. It's a little hard to describe as it's not a full breakdown of execution but it's past the current point of bloom for me. As time goes by I may not experience this for longer periods of time or the OF mode of reality will become permanent, but for now, the 3rd day feels like a "half-in-half-out" state. The better part of the 1st day back on is getting back to "full saturation" of the OF state if that makes sense. There seems to be a bit of tension and turbulence on the 1st day back on and I do experience TID a few hours on the 3rd day before starting the loops again. My subconscious is pretty firm on 5 loops 3 days on and 3 days off so I see no need to change anything and I'm not sure I could handle less time off or more loops at this point. The 1st day off can be kind of mentally exhausting and my sleep reflects that as it is predominantly deep sleep all night. I think I'm right at the limit of what I can handle at present.
I had some realizations on my off days but can't remember them now
. It's probably best to journal every day or write this down so I don't forget them. I'm sure that those realizations are still in effect but I just can't remember them.
I had some deja vue during a period of alert awakeness on Friday. This is interesting because it usually happens to me when I'm in a restful or sleepy state. The deja vue felt like I had seen it in a dream years ago so that was interesting.
1st day on today. Last night as I was starting the loops my subconscious was excited to be playing them again. This isn't the first time on OF4 that I've felt excited to use the loops but this is the 1st sub that this feeling has ever happened. Good times.
Wow. Remarkable Chris !! More power and encouragement to ya Man!!
Quote:For me, this is all an experiment on trusting my intuition more. This is what I feel my intuition is saying but as far as if it's true or the specifics are correct is beyond me. It would be interesting to see one more OF before 6g because I feel that any resistance due to fear can be "drained" before it ever becomes a problem, thus making resistance a thing of the past for 99% of users. I feel like the ability to ramp up power as needed in this version of OF is the "second to last" step in OF's evolution.
When I think about what I'm saying I can't help but laugh at myself. I don't understand the specifics of any of this so I hope you will pardon my ignorance.
I appreciate your input regardless, and your recognition of your limits and your humility in the face of that. I deal with a lot of people who assume they know what I am doing, or that they know my work better than I do. It is refreshing.
This next few programs will be introducing some advanced new concepts which *should* be a huge step forward in preventing resistance before it can begin. There are three major concepts that must be added to the skeleton script for this, one of which has found its way into the next program I release. That program will be a test bed for that concept, and then in the next program I am going to add at least one of the other two. I would love to just add all three, but one of these is so complex, so deep, so profound, that I'm still contemplating how to script it and put it into words. It will also require a complete revising of the whole script structure, skeleton script and key script combined. That is no small task, but if I am right, that step should leave us with only one major step left to get to 6G.
That most complex of concepts in this three may require a month all by itself to implement, I don't know. But while the end result will be much more quickly and easily built subs that are much more smooth, effective and high impact, I cannot truthfully say that I am looking forward to implementing that third concept.
Once that is in place and I have figured out how to make it work as designed, the only major step that should be left for 6G is to go through the entire skeleton script and optimize it. That will likely require quite some time. But 2023 is almost certainly the year of 6G. Finally.
(09-18-2022, 08:24 AM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. Remarkable Chris !! More power and encouragement to ya Man!!
Thanks Keith. Nice to see your OF run is going well.
(09-18-2022, 09:37 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:For me, this is all an experiment on trusting my intuition more. This is what I feel my intuition is saying but as far as if it's true or the specifics are correct is beyond me. It would be interesting to see one more OF before 6g because I feel that any resistance due to fear can be "drained" before it ever becomes a problem, thus making resistance a thing of the past for 99% of users. I feel like the ability to ramp up power as needed in this version of OF is the "second to last" step in OF's evolution.
When I think about what I'm saying I can't help but laugh at myself. I don't understand the specifics of any of this so I hope you will pardon my ignorance.
I appreciate your input regardless, and your recognition of your limits and your humility in the face of that. I deal with a lot of people who assume they know what I am doing, or that they know my work better than I do. It is refreshing.
This next few programs will be introducing some advanced new concepts which *should* be a huge step forward in preventing resistance before it can begin. There are three major concepts that must be added to the skeleton script for this, one of which has found its way into the next program I release. That program will be a test bed for that concept, and then in the next program I am going to add at least one of the other two. I would love to just add all three, but one of these is so complex, so deep, so profound, that I'm still contemplating how to script it and put it into words. It will also require a complete revising of the whole script structure, skeleton script and key script combined. That is no small task, but if I am right, that step should leave us with only one major step left to get to 6G.
That most complex of concepts in this three may require a month all by itself to implement, I don't know. But while the end result will be much more quickly and easily built subs that are much more smooth, effective and high impact, I cannot truthfully say that I am looking forward to implementing that third concept.
Once that is in place and I have figured out how to make it work as designed, the only major step that should be left for 6G is to go through the entire skeleton script and optimize it. That will likely require quite some time. But 2023 is almost certainly the year of 6G. Finally.
Thank you
Nice! It will be interesting to see how smooth these next subs may be. Looking forward to the day when resistance was a thing of the past for most of us.
Had a very significant dream last night. So significant that I'll only vaguely share the contents. Someone in my life said something that was very validating and in the dream, I remember being intentional about letting those words sink into me and really affect me.
The trouble for me was that this person most likely would not say these words to me IRL so I was struggling a bit this morning as to how I felt about it. In the end, I just accepted it for the sake of my subconscious needing that for one reason or another. That person was most likely a visual representation of a concept I was working through but it still didn't sit well with me for a bit due to real-life context and relations with said person. Oh well.
It was a pretty decent day for me as most 2nd days on are so not much else to report.
Oh now that I think of it, I was struggling to get into the flow of the sub for the 1st 15 mins or so of it and felt like I was resisting a bit but I was able to somehow disconnect from that and let the sub do its thing. If I had to guess, it actually felt like it was due to my current physical state being somewhat high in serotonin or cortisol. Most likely cortisol and the stress was kind of knocking me out of the flow for a bit. However, I was able to disconnect from that a bit and let the sub in a bit more. This part is something I'll be keeping an eye on as the physical may be the last to change and I'm not sure about the specifics on how subs physically change you. If I can see anything preventing long term change, it is the physical body somehow not fully integrating the changes into the matrix that is our body.
Time will tell so I'll just observe and see.
Still feeling pretty good overall.
Yesterday was a difficult day to observe anything from the sub. I have a product called bromantane and I used a higher than normal dose for me. That alone made it difficult to gauge much of anything as my dopamine was rather high yesterday and clouded a lot of the subtle undulations that can happen to me.
No dreams the night before last either but I did sleep very well the last 2 nights.
Today is the first day of the off cycle and I feel pretty good. Let's see how the off cycle goes.
Just bought ASR!!!
Super excited that I can use it as a sleep aid in conjunction with OF4. Going to use it tonight!
(09-22-2022, 03:39 PM)Chris P. Bacon Wrote: [ -> ]Just bought ASR!!!
Super excited that I can use it as a sleep aid in conjunction with OF4. Going to use it tonight!
Congrats C. P. B. I'm shure its going to serve you well.
(09-22-2022, 04:33 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2022, 03:39 PM)Chris P. Bacon Wrote: [ -> ]Just bought ASR!!!
Super excited that I can use it as a sleep aid in conjunction with OF4. Going to use it tonight!
Congrats C. P. B. I'm shure its going to serve you well.
Here's hoping!
In other news; it's possible that ASR conflicts with OF4 but I cant be sure yet. Today I had flashes of what seemed like the turbulence I felt when I ran Tranq B with whatever sub I was running at the time. I guess tomorrow night I'll find out as it'll be my first night back on.
Just found out that a lot of mental symptoms and some physical ones match up with what is called post finasteride syndrome. I did take finasteride for 6 months so this is a legitimate concern for me. Finasteride is a 5-AR inhibitor that prevents your body from turning testosterone into DHT. It affects more hormones than that but that's the target. Long story short, it can destroy or downregulate the androgen receptors in your brain and cause long-term issues. It affects libido as well and both of these are something that I had no idea about and I don't believe they had it in the listed side effects either. If they did I would have thrown it in the trash. Mine isn't as bad as others experience, which is akin to anhedonia for them so that's a small blessing.
I guess now we find out how to fix it.
ASR works very well for me. Hoping it wont cause issues with OF4
Also, when it is on I really feel it in my solar plexus.