Woman Magnet - The most underrated sub

[CatMan]

Buz, Jacobz, FrenchMagnet, Afzalg, Ryan.

Which one is closest to your result CatMan?

PS : I "never" (atm) look your journal because I want to start SM soon, and I don't want to compare our result before finishing SM.

Hey man!

I'm not sure which one is closest to my run, pal. I think all were getting laid and dating, kissing girls and all that stuff long before the point of the program where I'm at, 25% of the way through stage 4 that is. So far for me, none of the above, not even signs of sexual attraction towards me.

In fact I've noticed a real regression socially from being the life of the party I used to be. Women have seriously decreased how often they talk to me at gatherings. In fact, a few of the girls I like and am interested in, have started avoiding me since SM3, so it's backfired in a few ways instead of moving me forward...I don't want to set up the dynamic of me chasing girls to talk to them as that isn't what a dominant high value man does, so things have just stagnated as a result. I guess the good news is I'm not needy, but if there's no interest from them anyway, who cares? When I talk to them, it's forced and they're arms length, and do what they can to end the conversation fast and withdraw. Before the subs, they engaged and flirted and were awesome, which made me develop interest in them. This decreased social ability with girls thing started during AM6, now even WORSE on SM3. And I have no idea why the subs would make girls I like distance themselves from me. Overall, I'm very disappointed with SM3. At this point, I wish I redid AM6 or applied to BAMM 2.0 and not bothered with trying to fix my problems with women. I knew SM3 would have it's work cut out for it to "fix" me, but I saw others in my exact shoes or worse that got great success so I felt confident enough to go for it and do 600 hours per stage to really help it work. So far, it's been 100% fruitless and has actually caused me regressions as I've mentioned.

I'm writing a post for my journal at the moment to elaborate. That's the straight truth bud. If I were you, I'd be really cautious about running the magnets.

[CatMan]

With both AM6 and SM I got the majority of my results in the last two stages, so definitely stick them out!

Very kind of you man. Your testimonial is incredible. And it's one of the biggest reasons I'm still pushing forward, trying to be as positive as I can despite months of nothingness and even some regression as I've listed in my other post above.

I've waited 33 years and 11 months to be a man women want...I suppose I can wait another 2.5 months...

[GlaizenGold777]

Buz, Jacobz, FrenchMagnet, Afzalg, Ryan.

Which one is closest to your result CatMan?

PS : I "never" (atm) look your journal because I want to start SM soon, and I don't want to compare our result before finishing SM.

Hey man!

I'm not sure which one is closest to my run, pal. I think all were getting laid and dating, kissing girls and all that stuff long before the point of the program where I'm at, 25% of the way through stage 4 that is. So far for me, none of the above, not even signs of sexual attraction towards me.

In fact I've noticed a real regression socially from being the life of the party I used to be. Women have seriously decreased how often they talk to me at gatherings. In fact, a few of the girls I like and am interested in, have started avoiding me since SM3, so it's backfired in a few ways instead of moving me forward...I don't want to set up the dynamic of me chasing girls to talk to them as that isn't what a dominant high value man does, so things have just stagnated as a result. I guess the good news is I'm not needy, but if there's no interest from them anyway, who cares? When I talk to them, it's forced and they're arms length, and do what they can to end the conversation fast and withdraw. Before the subs, they engaged and flirted and were awesome, which made me develop interest in them. This decreased social ability with girls thing started during AM6, now even WORSE on SM3. And I have no idea why the subs would make girls I like distance themselves from me. Overall, I'm very disappointed with SM3. At this point, I wish I redid AM6 or applied to BAMM 2.0 and not bothered with trying to fix my problems with women. I knew SM3 would have it's work cut out for it to "fix" me, but I saw others in my exact shoes or worse that got great success so I felt confident enough to go for it and do 600 hours per stage to really help it work. So far, it's been 100% fruitless and has actually caused me regressions as I've mentioned.

I'm writing a post for my journal at the moment to elaborate. That's the straight truth bud. If I were you, I'd be really cautious about running the magnets.

Thanks for your response.

In your opinon, why your experience is counterproductive with the salespage?

[Raz]

In fact I've noticed a real regression socially from being the life of the party I used to be. Women have seriously decreased how often they talk to me at gatherings. In fact, a few of the girls I like and am interested in, have started avoiding me since SM3, so it's backfired in a few ways instead of moving me forward...I don't want to set up the dynamic of me chasing girls to talk to them as that isn't what a dominant high value man does, so things have just stagnated as a result. I guess the good news is I'm not needy, but if there's no interest from them anyway, who cares? When I talk to them, it's forced and they're arms length, and do what they can to end the conversation fast and withdraw. Before the subs, they engaged and flirted and were awesome, which made me develop interest in them. This decreased social ability with girls thing started during AM6, now even WORSE on SM3. And I have no idea why the subs would make girls I like distance themselves from me. Overall, I'm very disappointed with SM3. At this point, I wish I redid AM6 or applied to BAMM 2.0 and not bothered with trying to fix my problems with women. I knew SM3 would have it's work cut out for it to "fix" me, but I saw others in my exact shoes or worse that got great success so I felt confident enough to go for it and do 600 hours per stage to really help it work. So far, it's been 100% fruitless and has actually caused me regressions as I've mentioned.

Hey CatMan. Just a thought here: You mentioned several times that escalating sexually is one thing that has not clicked for you as you wished to the point that you'd run SM (even with AM as a prerequisite) to fix it. And this was a last resort kinda decision. Since AM worked great for you, you hold the same point of view as realistic for SM. But as sexual escalation is your Achilles' heel it may require you more than one run through of SM to get you ready. No matter how many hours you stem, six months are only six months, but change may require simply more sink-in time since this is a weak spot for you.

[CatMan]

Thanks for your response.

In your opinon, why your experience is counterproductive with the salespage?

My pleasure!

Hmm, well I try to only comment on things I have actual knowledge of that can be of benefit. And here, it feels like I don't have the kind of advanced grasp on the subconscious, or on the script of this program, in order to make an informed theory. My guess is, no program will affect everyone the same way, as Shannon has pointed out before. I've never been that hot alpha sex magnet guy, so maybe it's just too ambitious of a goal for me in reality, despite lots of other guys in my shoes being a success with it at the end.

I mean, I'd love to cop out and say "those girls avoid me because they're so hugely sexually attracted to me that they're scared by it", but that doesn't feel genuine and realistic. Plus, I see them talk to other guys and they light right up and are "normal", just like they used to be with ME before subs. It's so bizarre. Somehow, subs have actually ruined that vibe and made me regress with them, I can't explain that at all. It was noted during AM6, now even worse during SM3.

I knew I would have a lot of resistance during this program, I KNEW it. That's why I buffed up my AM6 hours as much as possible to prepare myself for doing 600 hours per stage of SM3. To make sure I really hammer home the script, so I don't think I could stonewall this program. But...however...after 4 months of being on this program...the only dreams I have been getting are dreams to do with OGSF's script...absolutely no time on SM3 have I had a dream where I had sex with a girl for example. Only stuff about girls I've know in the past or current, and have disrespected me, mistreated me, ignored me, whatever. That and things to do with GSF that seem to have nothing to do with girls or sex. Nothing DIRECTLY about having sex with a girl. So...that could be telling, maybe I am resisting it somehow which I doubt, but surely I should be seeing some obvious results by now if I wasn't, especially given my hours listened.

So, the truth is, I'm not sure why. And, even though it's increasingly unlikely to me over time, I could very well start seeing results in the last two stages like Buz. However, he sounded a lot more experienced with sex and women compared to me, so it's apples to oranges. So to me, it seems doubtful if I haven't had any real signs by this point of the program.

[LionKing]

...whereas I know SM works...

Gonna hold you to that bro lmao

What you're writing sounds familiar too. I think I most clearly saw the results I had only after the program. Of course it was stuff I noticed, and recorded, happening during, but I guess I thought it was more or less "normal", or it was because these and these circumstances lead to this special case where it must've been normal or something. But then when I wasn't on SM, those things weren't happening anymore. And they never did before that, so.. not saying it works 100%, but I mean it worked for me at least a little, which makes me hope it could work more.

And another thing.. this is going to back to those clearing discussions, which I don't want to get into anymore, but SM stages 1-3 I was using PSTEC and listening more average hours. Then I switched - I stopped PSTEC and ramped up my hours to us much as I could for the rest of the program. And that was also when I started to not notice anything happening anymore and I was very disappointed in SM b/c I didn't even have real interest in going out, didn't see attraction, etc. To me that's either saying there was something good to that clearing (wouldn't do it like anymore though), or listening for too many hours was not optimal for me. And of course, listening (investing) more leads you to expect more, which might get in the way too. Now with AM I had a few days travelling where I naturally listened less and I was feeling pretty good and extroverted.

As you said, hopefully it picks up!

[CatMan]

Hey CatMan. Just a thought here: You mentioned several times that escalating sexually is one thing that has not clicked for you as you wished to the point that you'd run SM (even with AM as a prerequisite) to fix it. And this was a last resort kinda decision. Since AM worked great for you, you hold the same point of view as realistic for SM. But as sexual escalation is your Achilles' heel it may require you more than one run through of SM to get you ready. No matter how many hours you stem, six months are only six months, but change may require simply more sink-in time since this is a weak spot for you.

Hi Raz!

Oh, don't get me wrong. It's absolutely my intention to repeat both programs!

I wanted to either repeat both until newer 6G's of either come out, or do SM3 refresher for a long period to really hammer it home, or apply to BAMM 2.0. I haven't made up my mind ultimately, as that depends on how well my mind ends up internalising SM3. It could very well turn things around in the next 2.5 stages and I'll think I feel good enough about my skills with girls that I'll move onto BAMM 2.0. If not, I'll repeat them or do the SM3 refresher.

Thanks for your post!

P.S. I'm so sorry this became a derail. That was inadvertent.

[GlaizenGold777]

Thanks for your response.

In your opinon, why your experience is counterproductive with the salespage?

My pleasure!

Hmm, well I try to only comment on things I have actual knowledge of that can be of benefit. And here, it feels like I don't have the kind of advanced grasp on the subconscious, or on the script of this program, in order to make an informed theory. My guess is, no program will affect everyone the same way, as Shannon has pointed out before. I've never been that hot alpha sex magnet guy, so maybe it's just too ambitious of a goal for me in reality, despite lots of other guys in my shoes being a success with it at the end.

I mean, I'd love to cop out and say "those girls avoid me because they're so hugely sexually attracted to me that they're scared by it", but that doesn't feel genuine and realistic. Plus, I see them talk to other guys and they light right up and are "normal", just like they used to be with ME before subs. It's so bizarre. Somehow, subs have actually ruined that vibe and made me regress with them, I can't explain that at all. It was noted during AM6, now even worse during SM3.

I knew I would have a lot of resistance during this program, I KNEW it. That's why I buffed up my AM6 hours as much as possible to prepare myself for doing 600 hours per stage of SM3. To make sure I really hammer home the script, so I don't think I could stonewall this program. But...however...after 4 months of being on this program...the only dreams I have been getting are dreams to do with OGSF's script...absolutely no time on SM3 have I had a dream where I had sex with a girl for example. Only stuff about girls I've know in the past or current, and have disrespected me, mistreated me, ignored me, whatever. That and things to do with GSF that seem to have nothing to do with girls or sex. Nothing DIRECTLY about having sex with a girl. So...that could be telling, maybe I am resisting it somehow which I doubt, but surely I should be seeing some obvious results by now if I wasn't, especially given my hours listened.

So, the truth is, I'm not sure why. And, even though it's increasingly unlikely to me over time, I could very well start seeing results in the last two stages like Buz. However, he sounded a lot more experienced with sex and women compared to me, so it's apples to oranges. So to me, it seems doubtful if I haven't had any real signs by this point of the program.

Well, I read your entire AM journal and NOT expect SM will have counterproductive result like this.

Your AM journal is great, your ASC journal is great, I though your SM journal will be like Minititan's journal, but you give adverse report.

Is there really no--at least little--manifestation or difference on your social life CatMan?

If I remember correctly, SM will use all of your energy to make it work, and if something doesn't happen, it means you fight the program tooth and nail.

I know you're entrepreneur, but, maybe, just maybe, you're too exhausted all this time that you can't accept the script optimally?

What do you think?

Thanks.

[CatMan]

Well, I read your entire AM journal and NOT expect SM will have counterproductive result like this.

Your AM journal is great, your ASC journal is great, I though your SM journal will be like Minititan's journal, but you give adverse report.

Is there really no--at least little--manifestation or difference on your social life CatMan?

If I remember correctly, SM will use all of your energy to make it work, and if something doesn't happen, it means you fight the program tooth and nail.

I know you're entrepreneur, but, maybe, just maybe, you're too exhausted all this time that you can't accept the script optimally?

What do you think?

Thanks.

I have to be honest, I wasn't expecting it either. I was expecting a journal along the lines of Mini's as well. I haven't been writing in my SM3 online journal because nothing good was happening and I didn't want it to turn into a repetitive pity party. I've written detailed daily entries in my offline journal, but haven't published them because the posts would be redundant after awhile.

Oh, there's a difference, a REGRESSION. Some of the girls I like at events, they avoid me and are cold when I try to talk to them or open them back up. Before subs, they were amazing with me which is what made me like them to begin with. I can't explain this. Perhaps the subs give a status boost, which may intimidate, but I am MORE than open socially and they already know me, so I doubt it's powerful enough alone to cause this. Somehow, the subs have actually made this part of my life WORSE. That's why I warned you about these magnets. I'd hate to see this happen to somebody else. Granted, it's only a few girls, but each is one I liked before I started subs, and now they're distant and cold for no apparent reason and are fine with other guys and instantaneously light up and are wonderful again. So, something is going on...

But, I assume you mean positive effects. So no, no positive effects like sexual attraction etc. This stage introduces women seducing me, and none of that either. Also, the "manifesting" thing, seems to mean bringing girls into your life from the past or new girls, to be attracted and have sex with you. None of that either sadly. No manifesting. Not sex, not a date, not a kiss. Nothing. Just a decrease in social stuff with the girls I've spoke of, that's the only difference.

I thought about the exhaustion thing too. But, SM3's script is MUCH smaller than AM6's, and I handled AM6's much bigger script with ease. So I don't think that can be the case. And if so, why would the OGSF be punching through? It seems the OGSF is getting through, but the other stuff, the main script, isn't. To me, all that says it's unlikely I'm exhausting myself. The truth is, I'm not sure about why I haven't had any positive effects yet.

[jbdefence]

Well, I read your entire AM journal and NOT expect SM will have counterproductive result like this.

Your AM journal is great, your ASC journal is great, I though your SM journal will be like Minititan's journal, but you give adverse report.

Is there really no--at least little--manifestation or difference on your social life CatMan?

If I remember correctly, SM will use all of your energy to make it work, and if something doesn't happen, it means you fight the program tooth and nail.

I know you're entrepreneur, but, maybe, just maybe, you're too exhausted all this time that you can't accept the script optimally?

What do you think?

Thanks.

I have to be honest, I wasn't expecting it either. I was expecting a journal along the lines of Mini's as well. I haven't been writing in my SM3 online journal because nothing good was happening and I didn't want it to turn into a repetitive pity party. I've written detailed daily entries in my offline journal, but haven't published them because the posts would be redundant after awhile.

Oh, there's a difference, a REGRESSION. Some of the girls I like at events, they avoid me and are cold when I try to talk to them or open them back up. Before subs, they were amazing with me which is what made me like them to begin with. I can't explain this. Perhaps the subs give a status boost, which may intimidate, but I am MORE than open socially and thy already know me, so I doubt it's powerful enough alone to cause this. Somehow, the subs have actually made this part of my life WORSE. That's why I warned you about these magnets. I'd hate to see this happen to somebody else. Granted, it's only a few girls, but each is one I liked before I started subs, and now they're distant and cold for no apparent reason and are fine with other guys and instantaneously light up and are wonderful again. So, something is going on...

But, I assume you mean positive effects. So no, no positive effects like sexual attraction etc. This stage introduces women seducing me, and none of that either. Also, the "manifesting" thing, seems to mean bringing girls into your life from the past or new girls, to be attracted and have sex with you. None of that either sadly. No manifesting. Not sex, not a date, not a kiss. Nothing. Just a decrease in social stuff with the girls I've spoke of, that's the only difference.

I thought about the exhaustion thing too. But, SM3's script is MUCH smaller than AM6's, and I handled AM6's much bigger script with ease. So I don't think that can be the case. And if so, why would the OGSF be punching through? It seems the OGSF is getting through, but the other stuff, the main script, isn't. To me, all that says it's unlikely I'm exhausting myself. The truth is, I'm not sure about why I haven't had any positive effects yet.

from what im reading here it sounds like the your expectations aren't being met at the moment, do you think that you could be thinking about this a lot and have started to try and force yourself to see results thus allowing to subconsciously allow negative thoughts and feelings control yourself from the background, this could be the reason no results are showing because you are second guessing the subliminal without even consciously realizing it. subliminals aren't very strong at competing against your own natural thoughts that you yourself are manifesting and could realy be holding you back with progression in this area. think of it as a bit of a plateau, maybe backing off to minimum hours for a bit, focusing on something else other than SM3 results and allowing everything to re energize and center itself and then ramping up the hours?

[GlaizenGold777]

I have to be honest, I wasn't expecting it either. I was expecting a journal along the lines of Mini's as well. I haven't been writing in my SM3 online journal because nothing good was happening and I didn't want it to turn into a repetitive pity party. I've written detailed daily entries in my offline journal, but haven't published them because the posts would be redundant after awhile.

I understand, I'll do the same if I in "nothing good happened" situation.

Oh, there's a difference, a REGRESSION. Some of the girls I like at events, they avoid me and are cold when I try to talk to them or open them back up. Before subs, they were amazing with me which is what made me like them to begin with. I can't explain this. Somehow, the subs have actually made this part of my life WORSE. That's why I warned you about these magnets. I'd hate to see this happen to somebody else. Granted, it's only a few girls, but each is one I liked before I started subs, and now they're distant and cold for no apparent reason and are fine with other guys and instantaneously light up and are wonderful again. So, something is going on...

This make me think about the aura, did they feel they unsafe around you because your aura from "approachable" become "unapproachable"? We don't know. I'll still run SM and let see if my assumptsion is correct or not. In AM v6, my journal is have a lot similarity with yours, great manifestation, great social circle, easily talk with women, etc, etc. I learnt much about aura, and I don't know but your result pick interest to me to that subject.

But, I assume you mean positive effects. So no, no positive effects like sexual attraction etc. This stage introduces women seducing me, and none of that either. Also, the "manifesting" thing, seems to mean bringing girls into your life from the past or new girls, to be attracted and have sex with you. None of that either sadly. No manifesting. Not sex, not a date, not a kiss. Nothing. Just a decrease in social stuff with the girls I've spoke of, that's the only difference.

Again, looks like you fight the program tooth and nail. If you don't mind, can you give little detail about your past regarding to sex and woman? Maybe you have trauma and you have deep fear that doesnt' want that experience happen again in the future? But it's okay if it's too personal to you.

I thought about the exhaustion thing too. But, SM3's script is MUCH smaller than AM6's, and I handled AM6's much bigger script with ease. So I don't think that can be the case. And if so, why would the OGSF be punching through? It seems the OGSF is getting through, but the other stuff, the main script, isn't. To me, all that says it's unlikely I'm exhausting myself. The truth is, I'm not sure about why I haven't had any positive effects yet.

There is difference in AM script and SM script, it's not about AM6 is much bigger script, but about the technology planted in SM. SM use two manifestation method, SM generate seven aura, SM use technology that only applied in BAMM 2.0, and this subs is all out going into sex. From what I learnt, manifestation need VERY HUGE amount source of energy, it uses all your focus, that's why it need six month at least to see manifestation work.

I won't give any advice or suggestion to you, I'll use myself as object to this.

I assume SM more than 16 hours is too much. Maybe this nonsense. That's why I'll try it for myself and report back after that.

I said this because I know you'll run AM SM back to back, and maybe can help on your next progress.

Wish me luck.

Thanks.

[CatMan]

from what im reading here it sounds like the your expectations aren't being met at the moment, do you think that you could be thinking about this a lot and have started to try and force yourself to see results thus allowing to subconsciously allow negative thoughts and feelings control yourself from the background, this could be the reason no results are showing because you are second guessing the subliminal without even consciously realizing it. subliminals aren't very strong at competing against your own natural thoughts that you yourself are manifesting and could realy be holding you back with progression in this area. think of it as a bit of a plateau, maybe backing off to minimum hours for a bit, focusing on something else other than SM3 results and allowing everything to re energize and center itself and then ramping up the hours?

Hi there!

Well, what I've done is merely use the sub, and measure my experiences against the stage's descriptions in the manual, to have a grasp on what to expect when the script is ingrained, and look at other's journals here at the same stages for comparison to get a rough idea of what other members experience. That's it. And, even if I'm looking for things to happen, due to the power of the program and the hours I listen, I'm sure the effects of it would become obvious over months. And from what I've read of other's journals/posts, they've each seen very obvious things by now, except for Buz. He was an SM3 late bloomer, but he has more experience with women and sex than me, so I don't know if it's a fair comparison. It's an odd situation. Again, it's totally possible it can pick right up next stage and beyond, but I figure if that was going to happen, there would've been some signs of life by now.

I can't imbalance the stages with respect to hours. I must maintain the same amount to keep the program balanced. 600 hours per stage. I can easily do it, that's why I chose the figure. If I'm somehow resisting it, lowering the amount could not only imbalance my run and results, but lower chances of defeating the resistance.

I'm not a quitter...not in anything in my life. So I'm spamming 600 hours a stage until I finish, which will be around Halloween. No choice but to plough forward up the mountain. I'm just surprised this social issue has gotten worse with those girls on subs and even worse with SM3. And that I've experienced nothing like others have reported, or anything to let me know anything other than the OGSF is working. That's all.

[CatMan]

This make me think about the aura, did they feel they unsafe around you because your aura from "approachable" become "unapproachable"? We don't know. I'll still run SM and let see if my assumptsion is correct or not. In AM v6, my journal is have a lot similarity with yours, great manifestation, great social circle, easily talk with women, etc, etc. I learnt much about aura, and I don't know but your result pick interest to me to that subject.

Again, looks like you fight the program tooth and nail. If you don't mind, can you give little detail about your past regarding to sex and woman? Maybe you have trauma and you have deep fear that doesnt' want that experience happen again in the future? But it's okay if it's too personal to you.

I wish you the greatest of luck, friend! I'm almost positive you will do well, you seem well calibrated and have two runs of AM6 under your belt.

The auras in SM3 (and AM6) are for good, they don't change to something negative. So I think there's been some change during the subs that created this issue. If it was a simple status boost and intimidating result, my social skills AND the fact they knew me beforehand would've negated that. So it's odd.

I've already spoken about my issue with women. I'm not embarassed about it...hopefully other guys in the same boat can get benefit from my words so I'll be open about it. I have zero dating or sexual experience, not without trying my whole life. For some mysterious reason, girls and sex, making out, dating, you name it, has completely eluded me. Nothing but failures and friend zones. Gave up for a long period of time. Tried again, experimented with PUA, spent a fortune there, absolute fortune not giving up and trying everything I could including with some of the biggest names in the field with one-on-one coaching, didn't work. Tried pheromones, first glimmers of something, but not much. Found this company through a pheromones forum in September 2014, and here I am.

I would never have done SM3, given my situation of zero experience with girls, had it not been for many guys having success despite that same handicap. I also find it very hard to believe I could stonewall a 5G program with lots of techs behind it. As in, almost impossible to believe...however, I probably should've seen definitive results by now of it working, other than just the OGSF component. So, who knows.

All in all, I'm both very disappointed, and very surprised by the lack of results. This was not what I was expecting. Again, it could pick up the last two stages, but as I've said before, I feel if that was going to happen I probably should've seen something other than the OGSF by now.

[jbdefence]

I have to say CatMan that your attitude is definitely in the right place, I can see know how you have had so much success with the other subs as it doesnt matter what happens you keep on pushing threw. I am sure you will see results and I think as what GlazionGold777 said about SM using manifestation energy tenfold on AM may just be taking you a bit longer, also you mind changing from a personal development stage to a manifestation stage may also be causing it to take a bit extra timeand it makes that transition. this could be an aura that your currently giving off which is a cluttered one rather than a more sexual one as its still not fully made that progression itself. I personaly think its good that your having your own and very personal journey on this program other than what others have because it truly shows that different people will have huge differences. I do hope by the end you actually surpass everyone else and become a total ladys man god