WM2 vs SM3 Journal Analysis

[Benjamin]

So I spent hours reading the main journals, some weren't finished and were small. And by the end I just become more unsure which one to run, they both sound awesome.

It kind of gave me more questions than I started with, but you guys might be interested.

WM2
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5956.html ioi's from young girls (16-18), more social, appreciating femininity, improved banter, high confidence, being more in 'social mode' less sexual tension, higher sex drive.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5164.html higher sex drive, more 'warmth' towards women, less needy and more indifferent, more comfortable with women, higher confidence. Completed but no women.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-3605.html (did after SM3) less social anxiety, not as focused on the outcome, more social, people more positive towards him than on SM3, more calm, less aggression than SM3, massive drop in neediness. Alot of women.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5370.html high confidence, less neediness, better connections, attracting younger women (21-25), less caring about rejection, got a few women, good run.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5003.html way more confident, short journal, not much else.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-1594.html lots of girls smiling, got rid of social anxiety, more desire to socialize, less expectations with girls, girls approaching and hitting on him, more fitness motivation (several people have reported this), more general motivation, tended to attract more older women, unattached to outcome, success - hooked up with multiple women.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-2213.html desire to socialize, not much else really. No women, just FWB with his ex.

SM3
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5171.html confidence, more social, women checking him out more, lost his virginity and slept with her a few more times but that's the only girl he had sex with.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-3267.html alot of girls checking him out, higher confidence, alot of girls talking about sex in his presence, propositioned for sex a few times, girls acting crazy and angry sometimes, got laid several times, most confident in life, not phased by rejections or abuse, slept with more women in 5 months than in the rest of his life, hard for him to handle all of it mentally, big success.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5430.html obsession with sex, less needy, repulsed by porn, sex drive and stamina high, alot of dates, lots of girls staring, as of latest post was still a virgin.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-4812.html confidence, less needy, more urge to go out and meet women, higher sex drive,

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5319.html more interest from girls, neediness gone, higher standards,

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-4856.html attracting 3 milfs that wanna have sex and turning them down, neediness at an all time low, not interested in porn, latest post as of Stage 4 not having sex then journal ends.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-2660.html better responses from women, higher sex drive, lost virginity after 12 days, not much else reported after that.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-4710.html did alot of FasterEFT and PSTEC, become more approachable, no interest in porn, more confident than ever, more masculine, sex drive went up alot, didn't get laid.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-4662.html used FasterEFT and PSTEC, lack of neediness, more obvious signs of attraction from girls, approached several times, more confidence, anger and irritation, sex drive up, more social, got laid several times, clearing seemed to lessen results.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-4498.html got laid in Stage 2, already doing pretty well before SM3, journal very short.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-3477.html started to feel like it's 'normal' having girls just stare at him, feeling very masculine, more comfortable in social situations, alot of eye contact, more 'cold' and aggressive, several girls he was having sex with, less neediness, improved bodylanguage.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-2729.html alot more horny, high sexual energy, higher confidence, desire to go out and socialize, alot more women looking at him, killed neediness, more annoyed by bs, alot of tiredness, horny but indifferent, intimidating to alot of girls, didn't get laid but evidence of alot of changes.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-2875.html higher confidence, girls acting weird and getting intimidated, alot of girls staring, girls acting crazy, women staring at him everywhere later in the program, feeling alpha as fuck (more than AM 5.0), getting approached by younger girls, girls approaching and giving him their number, asking him out, not giving a fuck about others opinions, social anxiety gone, thinking about sex all the time now, neediness gone, got laid several times with new girls by the end.

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Overall for the 'goal' of getting sex and women SM3 is interesting me more, but with where I want to go after SM3 it may derail everything else in my life by the sound of it. While WM2 seems to help get respect from other people and seems to help motivation in other areas, SM3 just makes you more obsessed with sex, pisses people off and makes them crazy atleast temporarily.

[CatMan]

I don't know, mate.

I've read all the magnet journals too when deciding which to use.

I think some individual posts in them are interesting, but it seems, overall, most guys aren't satisfied with the magnet's runs and/or don't seem to get anywhere near all the bulletpoints. Especially compared to running AM for example, where there's an OBVIOUS majority of men gaining success with it.

I don't know if that's a case of the magnets simply being too ambitious, not able to deliver actual results in the real world for most men, or if there's some "fear" magically throttling results back, or both.

I'd say, if you truly do want to do a magnet, even though I'm obviously trying to talk you down off the ledge, I'd say run OF for 192 days, FIRST. Even though WM2 has OF in every stage, even though SM3 has OGSF in every stage and programming to help men with several issues to do with women and sex, it still doesn't seem to be enough.

I'd hate to see you have the kind of run I had.

[Dzemoo]

ben no matter what you choose i think it will be a good run, you already have a good foundation just by your sub history.

[Achiever]

What is your choice for now, Ben? Would you try both in the future
Edit:If i were you, I would do Sm, because you have done 2 runs of Am6 in a row ( = 2 runs of Sm lead-in )

[Achiever]

I don't know, mate.
I'd say, if you truly do want to do a magnet, even though I'm obviously trying to talk you down off the ledge, I'd say run OF for 192 days, FIRST. Even though WM2 has OF in every stage, even though SM3 has OGSF in every stage and programming to help men with several issues to do with women and sex, it still doesn't seem to be enough.

OR: Doing Am6 3 times. This is my planned route. This equals 192x3 days of OGSF programming.And if done for 17-18 hours a day .. GSF stand no chance.

[Shawn]

I agree with Dzemoo. You have got good foundations so you will have success with the sub you choose. Either with SM3 or WM2.

[maxx55]

I don't know, mate.
I'd say, if you truly do want to do a magnet, even though I'm obviously trying to talk you down off the ledge, I'd say run OF for 192 days, FIRST. Even though WM2 has OF in every stage, even though SM3 has OGSF in every stage and programming to help men with several issues to do with women and sex, it still doesn't seem to be enough.

OR: Doing Am6 3 times. This is my planned route. This equals 192x3 days of OGSF programming.And if done for 17-18 hours a day .. GSF stand no chance.

Are you sure going through AM6 multiple times would address everything that OF alone would?

Some others have said they wished they did OF before doing AM6.

[Achiever]

I don't know, mate.
I'd say, if you truly do want to do a magnet, even though I'm obviously trying to talk you down off the ledge, I'd say run OF for 192 days, FIRST. Even though WM2 has OF in every stage, even though SM3 has OGSF in every stage and programming to help men with several issues to do with women and sex, it still doesn't seem to be enough.

OR: Doing Am6 3 times. This is my planned route. This equals 192x3 days of OGSF programming.And if done for 17-18 hours a day .. GSF stand no chance.

Are you sure going through AM6 multiple times would address everything that OF alone would?
Some others have said they wished they did OF before doing AM6.

I am sure for MY case. For people who have more fears and a lot of fear, 5G OF is the solution.

[Ricardo]

I think there is a danger in over analyzing these magnets. A big part of subliminal success is to "fire and forget". Woman magnet is for sexy social and Sex Magnet is for raw lust. That's all you really need to know about them. And of course the fact they don't actually work.

[CatMan]

Are you sure going through AM6 multiple times would address everything that OF alone would?
Some others have said they wished they did OF before doing AM6.

I am sure for MY case. For people who have more fears and a lot of fear, 5G OF is the solution.

OF is a dedicated program to deal with fear. AM6 has tons and tons of other things in it alongside OGSF, which doesn't have as much dedication to fear as OF does. Focusing is best from a time and result standpoint if fear is shown to be an issue.

I didn't think I had a fear issue either. And I ran 12 straight stages of OGSF in AM6 and SM3, for a total of 6,980.5 hours. And apparently it wasn't enough.

If fear is even vaguely suspected in you, do OF first. Trust me. I wish I did, but I had no idea.

[Benjamin]

I was actually thinking about that last night Catman. Fear is by far my biggest issue. I believe it's stopped me getting maximum results from AM6 and it's holding me back in certain areas that I need to deal with not related to women.

So you planning to do OF next Catman?

I feel i'd get good results from the magnets but fear may stop the full expression. I know they do work, and there is tons of evidence of that.

I feel like I don't have much guilt and shame anymore but that fear is the big thing holding me back and I don't feel like a third run of AM6 will really deal with that, though of course I would still grow from it.

If fear was out of the way then the things I could do...

But funnily enough saying that there is the fear of what I might do if I didn't have the fear.. there's the fear of getting myself into trouble if I don't have fear, I fear what might happen or what I might do.

Sounds funny I know.

What is your choice for now, Ben? Would you try both in the future

Yeah I would like to do both at some stage.

My latest idea is OF for maybe 3 months, then AM6 refresher for atleast a month (if you take longer than 3 months after AM6 before doing SM3 it recommends atleast 32 days of the refresher first).

Of course I don't WANT to do this because of my impatience... but it would probably be better for me since fear is the big overarching thing holding me back.

[JackOfHearts]

And of course the fact they don't actually work.

Maybe you should say it didn't work for you.

Every time someone doesn't get the results he wanted with a magnet everyone here start to panic and hide behind OF/OGSF/EPHRA. It's not because you didn't get the result that someone else would react the same way. In fact history told us it's not the case. Some people just need one AM6/5 run and they get the results. I remember a time when Catman was saying exactly that but now he changed his mind.
I think AM6 alone is enough to remove the fear, but that just my opinion maybe some guys need OF/OGSF/EPHRA but don't assume everyone needs it because you do or think you do when you are not even sure about it.

[Dzemoo]

And of course the fact they don't actually work.

Maybe you should say it didn't work for you.

Every time someone doesn't get the results he wanted with a magnet everyone here start to panic and hide behind OF/OGSF/EPHRA. It's not because you didn't get the result that someone else would react the same way. In fact history told us it's not the case. Some people just need one AM6/5 run and they get the results. I remember a time when Catman was saying exactly that but now he changed his mind.
I think AM6 alone is enough to remove the fear, but that just my opinion maybe some guys need OF/OGSF/EPHRA but don't assume everyone needs it because you do or think you do when you are not even sure about it.

Thank you exactly my opinion

Yeah many user change their mind when things dont go the way they want instead of sticking to their original plan.

I remember when catman critized me 'wasting' 1.5 years trying out different single stages when i could have done am6 3 times and he was right, but now he wants to do the same???

And i doubt ephra of will solve the problem magnets bring, magnets work as good as am works, for me even better the thing is its easier to get internal results than external. I personally wont do ephra of and so on, i will rather spend my time mastering the multistages. There is no easy way out.

The forum and the users are going in a weirde direction looking for an easy solution for their problems.

Destroying fear by its own wont change your life for the better, i used seroxat (paroxetin) which is known to turn off fear in the brain, and guess what my life was not better i have just done many stupid things.

When i read old journals i see a much healthier and ambitious view on subs i wonder what have changed.

At the beginnig everyone says i will run the magnet xy for x times but after one run they give up and use ephra, of, maximun learning speed and so on.

For me running of alone would be a waste of time if i can have it in wm2 with some other cool features.

Also what i noticed here is that new users give shit about the opinion of more adanced users everyone comes here and want to make it better than the guys before him. Only ending up to either quit or to lose time just to do the same that more advanced user recommended at first. But at the end everyone is responsible for his own results

As far as shanon gets his money and indigo mind continues to exist i dont care, but please dont say things like magnets dont work just because some didnt get results, in nearly all journals where guys didnt get result i could tell that from the begining that they wont just out of expierence seeing the users attitude and expectations.

[JackOfHearts]

in nearly all journals where guys didnt get result i could tell that from the begining that they wont just out of expierence seeing the users attitude and expectations.

I agree 100% on that, I saw the same thing from some users. I wasn't sure about it but it went as I expected.