Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Ricardo]

Shannon has already said that nsfm conflicts with the goal of DMSI so why introduce comflicts when we don't know why DMSI isn't working in the first place? Too many guys here have this limiting belief that guys must do all the chasing and with nsfm we are just getting further away from the goal of DMSI.

[robstar]

It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Isn't the programs goal explicitly stated in the title? "Maximum sexual irresistibility"? Which is about more than just looks, and an aura. It also includes having a charming personality, knowing how to talk, touch etc. I'm not talking about pursuing women here, purely in the realm of being pursued, these things are all useful and would aid the programs goals. And there's also having the ability to take the relationship in whatever direction you want it after sex happens, which I'm sure is an ability everyone would love to have. I think if 3.0 makes it clear that nfsm takes away energy from the rest of the program it should be removed but if it doesn't and it only compliments it why not keep it?

[robstar]

Shannon has already said that nsfm conflicts with the goal of DMSI so why introduce comflicts when we don't know why DMSI isn't working in the first place? Too many guys here have this limiting belief that guys must do all the chasing and with nsfm we are just getting further away from the goal of DMSI.

It's not about chasing, even if a girl is super attracted and comes to you wanting sex, if you do or say something stupid, beta or socially retarded, she's gonna leave. We need to consider this realistically.

[K-Train]

Agree 100% with Mr. Anderson. I also think it benefits Shannon's efforts greatly by having a wide variety of individuals with different philosophies to test this that way we can test every facet of DMSI in terms of its ability to improve seduction and its ability to get targets/attractive individuals to initiate the approach on the user. So having people like Catman who are dedicated to testing out the program's primary goal is beneficial until its been established and confirmed by Shannon that the primary goal (getting attractive people to approach the user) is unacheivable on a consistent basis.

Shannon has already said that nsfm conflicts with the goal of DMSI so why introduce comflicts when we don't know why DMSI isn't working in the first place? Too many guys here have this limiting belief that guys must do all the chasing and with nsfm we are just getting further away from the goal of DMSI.

I agree that until Shannon explicitly says "Sorry guys, it ain't possible" that we shouldn't completely abandon the program's primary goal which is to get attractive individuals to approach the user. The thing is that Shannon has already said that he expects multiple versions within the V3 series so having one version with NSFM in it can be beneficial later on IF Shannon discovers that the program's main goal is too lofty because then he can go back, check reports, and if it turns out NSFM was able to allow guys to improve their success with women...then hell, he'll still have a viable product that he can sell.

EDIT: I just saw Robstar's comment and I agree. That's my main concern when it comes to the "wait for her to approach" thing. Even if she approaches you have to be able to not screw things up. Believe me Catman and Ricardo, I want this shit too work just as much as you guys, so we're on the same page here guys . I'm glad that you two are staying dedicated to seeing the program's goal to fruition. I'm only suggesting that we test alternatives.

[RTBoss]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Where did Shannon ever say the subliminal eliminates the option to speak to women?

[RTBoss]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

No one said anything about not responding to women. Shannon's focus for the program is getting women to initiate, not getting the men to do nothing. He's just not promoting men to "do the work," not keeping them from it. Big difference.

Are people worried that, if approached, users will self-cockblock or mess up the opportunity that's presented, thus feeling the inclusion of Natural Seduction will help out? I don't know. I do know that I'll defer to Shannon's expertise. He's the man who writes the script!

Also, Wolverine, since you're a proponent of the "just do it," attitude - and repeatedly call people who aren't cold approaching lazy - how bout you just get laid already, or are you too lazy to escalate? Clearly everyone is at a different place with women, let's have a little leniency with those who aren't where we are, eh?

[bits]

I don't understand why the choice is so binary, isn't it possible to have both? Maximize DMSI to have women approach you, but also give you the ability to approach women?

If people want to hold back from approaching and judge the programs effectiveness based on it's goals then that's perfectly fair but I don't see how including NSFM would be a bad thing for DMSI.

[posh]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

No one said anything about not responding to women. Shannon's focus for the program is getting women to initiate, not getting the men to do nothing. He's just not promoting men to "do the work," not keeping them from it. Big difference.

Are people worried that, if approached, users will self-cockblock or mess up the opportunity that's presented, thus feeling the inclusion of Natural Seduction will help out? I don't know. I do know that I'll defer to Shannon's expertise. He's the man who writes the script!

Also, Wolverine, since you're a proponent of the "just do it," attitude - and repeatedly call people who aren't cold approaching lazy - how bout you just get laid already, or are you too lazy to escalate? Clearly everyone is at a different place with women, let's have a little leniency with those who aren't where we are, eh?

Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not need to cold approach women

[bits]

Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not cold approach women

They don't cold approach the way most guys would approach 20 different women but they for sure do "warm approaches" where the woman makes it blatantly obvious like this:



If the guy doesn't approach she assumes he's rejecting her, if he does then she makes it very easy for him.

[chaosvrgn]

Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not cold approach women

First point, true.
Second point, kinda true -- but I get what you're saying.
Third point, dawg wtf???

Shannon already knows what the design goal is -- to get women to approach us instead of us having to do the work. And if you bought DMSI expecting that, you're very much entitled to your refund ONCE the final version comes out and IF it doesn't perform to expectations.

But... we don't have to lie about reality to get what we want.

Low value men don't cold approach women because they're too afraid of being shamed or ostracized for the attempt. High value men do whatever they want -- including approaching women because they don't fear any repercussions, plus they're so self-assured of their value that they know the woman won't reject the approach.

[posh]

Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not cold approach women

First point, true.
Second point, kinda true -- but I get what you're saying.
Third point, dawg wtf???

Shannon already knows what the design goal is -- to get women to approach us instead of us having to do the work. And if you bought DMSI expecting that, you're very much entitled to your refund ONCE the final version comes out and IF it doesn't perform to expectations.

But... we don't have to lie about reality to get what we want.

Low value men don't cold approach women because they're too afraid of being shamed or ostracized for the attempt. High value men do whatever they want -- including approaching women because they don't fear any repercussions, plus they're so self-assured of their value that they know the woman won't reject the approach.

Low value men do cold approach. Go to oxford street London and you will see low value pua pu$$y beggers going around approach women over and over again with no result. There was even vids of a virgin deformed guy cold approaching. Guess what women do not give him the time of day. Hes treated like trash.

If women like you enough they will approach you.

Do you see the likes of justin bieber and drake cold approach??? nah they get approached and the women would do anything to get their sperm. This is basic common sense

[bits]

Low value men do cold approach. Go to oxford street London and you will see low value pua pu$$y beggers going around approach women over and over again with no result. There was even vids of a virgin deformed guy cold approaching. Guess what women do not give him the time of day. Hes treated like trash.

If women like you enough they will approach you.

Do you see the likes of justin bieber and drake cold approach??? nah they get approached and the women would do anything to get their sperm. This is basic common sense

Yes actually, I was at liv in Miami and saw Bieber approach of group of girls.

[posh]

Legit post I paid for dmsi which said it would make women approach and try to fuk me.

I did no pay to be a cold approaching pu$$y begger.

High value men do not cold approach women

They don't cold approach the way most guys would approach 20 different women but they for sure do "warm approaches" where the woman makes it blatantly obvious like this:



If the guy doesn't approach she assumes he's rejecting her, if he does then she makes it very easy for him.

with a high value guy a woman knows she has to be the one that approaches or she won't get her man. Doing a stare isn't going to make justin bieber come over to her and approach her, especially a post prime woman like anna lol.

[chaosvrgn]

Low value men do cold approach. Go to oxford street London and you will see low value pua pu$$y beggers going around approach women over and over again with no result. There was even vids of a virgin deformed guy cold approaching. Guess what women do not give him the time of day. Hes treated like trash.

If women like you enough they will approach you.

Do you see the likes of justin bieber and drake cold approach??? nah they get approached and the women would do anything to get their sperm. This is basic common sense

What's common sense is this:

You're being completely illogical here by relying on absolute outliers to make your arguments. You went from one end of the spectrum (a virgin deformed guy) to freaking Justin Bieber and Drake, skipping over the entire continuum of below average to average to above average men in the process.