Shannon's Journal Discussion

[wolverine_i_am]

Please don't abandon the DMSI project - it's been an amazing ride for me so far and I definitely see the value of the tech. 2.5 is just getting started.

Exactly. I wrote a bit about it in today's journal as well. I think too many people are taking this for granted and aren't appreciating the benefits of it. They care too much about instant gratification and aren't willing to commit to the long self-development journey that using DMSI is meant to be.

[RTBoss]

Is anyone here using creatine as well as the subliminal?
I was using creatine from June to around August-ish, when I just stopped caring about it.
Creatine plays a key role in energy production:

Creatine works as a type of energy shuttle, carrying energy in usable chunks from large storage molecules to places in cells where work needs to be done

I'm curious if my results have been effected by not taking creatine for so long.

It pays to be skeptical so I'm going to have to say no currently, but I'll be updating if anything changes regarding DMSI.

Also: creatine is awesome - subliminal or not. It helps with muscle recovery, gives energy and increases testosterone by a large amount and is the most well-studied supplement I can currently think of.

I've certainly noticed a large enough change in my endurance and muscle recovery speed after not having for so long that I'm excited to begin using it again.

A bottle that will last you a year costs like $20. Make sure to get Creatine Monohydrate and don't fall for any of the marketing crap. Monohydrate is the one with all the studies and results.

Peace.[/b][/code]

Creatine is a staple supplement, and the most studied supplement available. It works. But, I have to fact check you. It doesn't do a thing for testosterone. It merely gives you more creatine availability for the PC-ATP system when you are lifting intensely - or sprinting. You'll get a few extra reps, increase your strength faster, and it increases cellular hydration. It may alleviate minor depression in some, and prevent sarcopenia in the elderly.

[Cozy]

Shannon just a suggestion, maybe women would approach the user more if they appeared more shy and non-threatening. When I was younger girls used to approach me when I was kind of shy, they would still shit test me, but I would get a lot of attention, and they always came in groups. (Maybe to help their confidence). Come to think of it, women never really make a move unless they're backed by friends (unless they're eccentric). Maybe that's a good place to start. Just a thought.

EDIT: maybe make the aura half openness half sexiness. Although I don't believe that mindset would be productive in other areas of life, could have some fun just for a couple of months.

[SargeMaximus]

Hey Shannon, just want to say I understand your frustration. It's never fun when others don't appreciate our efforts and expect the moon from us.

I just hope that you'll be able to use the legit reports (i.e. facts not whining) to craft DMSI into what it's meant to be.

To that end I read Banksy's post and I have to agree, with the exception of a few, all of the girls that approached me did so at times when I was shy, depressed, introverted.

I think people will do what they think they must, but no more than that, so if a girl thinks there's a chance you'll approach her, she might just leave it up to you. Why risk rejection if the guy will approach right?

On the other hand, if the girl knows it's up to her, she'll probably only do it if she feels that she can be in control of the seduction process, but there has to be a bit of uncontrollable element within the guy too or she'll see it as too easy.

Maybe if seducing and having sex with the user is a game or enigma that the girl plays with. Almost like a riddle or a cat with a ball of yarn.

So the accomplishment of sex with the user is the goal, but then, for whatever reason, it becomes a game of "how many times can I f*ck this guy?".

I dunno, just some thoughts. Hope they make sense, they're just preliminaries so not very thought out but I think it might be an angle.

Anyhow, hope you don't get too frustrated and, by all means, if people get too whiny, feel free to take time off working on DMSI. When I'm doing sales and people get rude, I immediately stop giving them attention and that either makes them stop, or I'm able to move on.

Either way, with all you've done and are doing, you don't deserve such ingratitude.

[maxx55]

Shannon just a suggestion, maybe women would approach the user more if they appeared more shy and non-threatening. When I was younger girls used to approach me when I was kind of shy, they would still shit test me, but I would get a lot of attention, and they always came in groups. (Maybe to help their confidence). Come to think of it, women never really make a move unless they're backed by friends (unless they're eccentric). Maybe that's a good place to start. Just a thought.

EDIT: maybe make the aura half openness half sexiness. Although I don't believe that mindset would be productive in other areas of life, could have some fun just for a couple of months.

I don't know about changing the aura, but just to add to this:

Girls approached me when I was younger in middle school too. I mean like the hottest girls that I really liked. I was just way too shy, filled with anxiety, and socially clueless to know they liked me, let alone do something about it without having a panic attack.

But whatever made them approach me then, it'd be great if that was added to DMSI.

[THolt]

It's normal that you're gonna have impatient people, Shannon. Don't let it discourage you. Although I am sure you will use it as fuel to achieve greatness. I'd like to thank you for working so hard on this subliminal. It's definitely helped so much. It's massively speeding up my progress and I can see myself reaching the end goal in the near future!

How are they being "impatient" when they genuinely aren't getting results? Aren't they supposed to report what results they are actually getting? If people get criticized for not reporting actual results, then it creates a groupthink atmosphere that discourages people from reporting their results

[SargeMaximus]

It's normal that you're gonna have impatient people, Shannon. Don't let it discourage you. Although I am sure you will use it as fuel to achieve greatness. I'd like to thank you for working so hard on this subliminal. It's definitely helped so much. It's massively speeding up my progress and I can see myself reaching the end goal in the near future!

How are they being "impatient" when they genuinely aren't getting results? Aren't they supposed to report what results they are actually getting? If people get criticized for not reporting actual results, then it creates a groupthink atmosphere that discourages people from reporting their results

For me I'd like to see reports of what people ARE getting. It would help us understand what's going on more. Plus, sometimes people don't think anything's happening when it is. I've been approached twice by women while on DMSI. Both times were so subtle it would be missed by 99% of guys unless you understand how a girl "approaches".

Granted they weren't what we're after, but they were results.

[JackOfHearts]

It's normal that you're gonna have impatient people, Shannon. Don't let it discourage you. Although I am sure you will use it as fuel to achieve greatness. I'd like to thank you for working so hard on this subliminal. It's definitely helped so much. It's massively speeding up my progress and I can see myself reaching the end goal in the near future!

How are they being "impatient" when they genuinely aren't getting results? Aren't they supposed to report what results they are actually getting? If people get criticized for not reporting actual results, then it creates a groupthink atmosphere that discourages people from reporting their results

The problem is not people reporting they don't have results, that's normal. The problem is if we complain the product doesn't work as a finished product (achieve the goals) when it is not a finished product, it's in testing phase.

But I guess it's a natural frustration of seeing other getting results while they don't have it.
Or that they are resisting the sub badly and feeling bad as a results, when that happens we sometimes have an urge to hate the subliminal for no logical reason.
Which happened a lot of already, feeling of hopelessness, etc. So let's not get too bitter about those who are complaining maybe they are in a bad resistance from Sub.

[THolt]

It's normal that you're gonna have impatient people, Shannon. Don't let it discourage you. Although I am sure you will use it as fuel to achieve greatness. I'd like to thank you for working so hard on this subliminal. It's definitely helped so much. It's massively speeding up my progress and I can see myself reaching the end goal in the near future!

How are they being "impatient" when they genuinely aren't getting results? Aren't they supposed to report what results they are actually getting? If people get criticized for not reporting actual results, then it creates a groupthink atmosphere that discourages people from reporting their results

The problem is not people reporting they don't have results, that's normal. The problem is if we complain the product doesn't work as a finished product (achieve the goals) when it is not a finished product, it's in testing phase.

But I guess it's a natural frustration of seeing other getting results while they don't have it.
Or that they are resisting the sub badly and feeling bad as a results, when that happens we sometimes have an urge to hate the subliminal for no logical reason.
Which happened a lot of already, feeling of hopelessness, etc. So let's not get too bitter about those who are complaining maybe they are in a bad resistance from Sub.

Yeah I can see that but I argue that people should report both the good results and the lack of results in certain areas. That's all I'm saying. Every report shouldn't be rosy and hyped.

[SargeMaximus]

It's normal that you're gonna have impatient people, Shannon. Don't let it discourage you. Although I am sure you will use it as fuel to achieve greatness. I'd like to thank you for working so hard on this subliminal. It's definitely helped so much. It's massively speeding up my progress and I can see myself reaching the end goal in the near future!

How are they being "impatient" when they genuinely aren't getting results? Aren't they supposed to report what results they are actually getting? If people get criticized for not reporting actual results, then it creates a groupthink atmosphere that discourages people from reporting their results

The problem is not people reporting they don't have results, that's normal. The problem is if we complain the product doesn't work as a finished product (achieve the goals) when it is not a finished product, it's in testing phase.

But I guess it's a natural frustration of seeing other getting results while they don't have it.
Or that they are resisting the sub badly and feeling bad as a results, when that happens we sometimes have an urge to hate the subliminal for no logical reason.
Which happened a lot of already, feeling of hopelessness, etc. So let's not get too bitter about those who are complaining maybe they are in a bad resistance from Sub.

Yeah I can see that but I argue that people should report both the good results and the lack of results in certain areas. That's all I'm saying. Every report shouldn't be rosy and hyped.

Of course, I completely agree. My reports aren't rosy and hyped at all.

Like I said, reporting interactions with women would be very helpful even if nothing happened because we would be getting intel.

[AbundanceCH]

Shannon just a suggestion, maybe women would approach the user more if they appeared more shy and non-threatening. When I was younger girls used to approach me when I was kind of shy, they would still shit test me, but I would get a lot of attention, and they always came in groups. (Maybe to help their confidence). Come to think of it, women never really make a move unless they're backed by friends (unless they're eccentric). Maybe that's a good place to start. Just a thought.

EDIT: maybe make the aura half openness half sexiness. Although I don't believe that mindset would be productive in other areas of life, could have some fun just for a couple of months.

One size doesn't fit all. One girl might approach you because you appear shy while another might approach you because you seem confident.

Doesn't the subliminal do this already? If not maybe it should adjust your aura to make you more approachable based on who you are interacting with and what would be optimal.

[bits]

Shannon just a suggestion, maybe women would approach the user more if they appeared more shy and non-threatening. When I was younger girls used to approach me when I was kind of shy, they would still shit test me, but I would get a lot of attention, and they always came in groups. (Maybe to help their confidence). Come to think of it, women never really make a move unless they're backed by friends (unless they're eccentric). Maybe that's a good place to start. Just a thought.

EDIT: maybe make the aura half openness half sexiness. Although I don't believe that mindset would be productive in other areas of life, could have some fun just for a couple of months.

Shyness is cute when you're a teen, when you're an adult there is a giant flashing sign in womans eyes flashing "CREEP ALERT!!!!"

The grown up, and sexy version of shyness, is mysteriousness.

[Cozy]

It's normal that you're gonna have impatient people, Shannon. Don't let it discourage you. Although I am sure you will use it as fuel to achieve greatness. I'd like to thank you for working so hard on this subliminal. It's definitely helped so much. It's massively speeding up my progress and I can see myself reaching the end goal in the near future!

How are they being "impatient" when they genuinely aren't getting results? Aren't they supposed to report what results they are actually getting? If people get criticized for not reporting actual results, then it creates a groupthink atmosphere that discourages people from reporting their results

For me I'd like to see reports of what people ARE getting. It would help us understand what's going on more. Plus, sometimes people don't think anything's happening when it is. I've been approached twice by women while on DMSI. Both times were so subtle it would be missed by 99% of guys unless you understand how a girl "approaches".

Granted they weren't what we're after, but they were results.

I think this is a perfect example of how subjective these "results" can be. First of all how attractive are these girls to begin with, everyone has their own standards, and is in their own league. For example, if you're like super attractive, a non-attractive girl may ignore you or treat you bad because she sees you as above her league, while an attractive girl can be giving you all the signals. The reverse is true too, if you're not attractive a non-attractive girl may have more confidence towards you, and an attractive girl may ignore you. And then there may be a DMSI user who doesn't believe himself to be in a certain league, and get confused by these results. This is a very real dynamic.

Then there's approach, when I say approach I mean like a girl walking up to you and starting a conversation / flirting with you. As a shy kid I remember an older (cute face nice ass 9.5/10) girl asking me to join a group where basically I could fuck a bunch of girls no string attached. Basically no effort. (I turned it down) And I wouldn't consider myself necessarily an alpha male back then although I think I was pretty cool. Those are the kind of results I think DMSI is aiming for, and it happened for me when I was a shy non-aggressive kid. Although quite handsome. I don't think I would get that kind of result with my current attitude, even though I might be more attractive. There's something to being shy. There may even be power in it.

EDIT: As a side note there's a saying that says guys mess up 90% of things just by opening their mouth. That's actually true.

[SargeMaximus]

It's normal that you're gonna have impatient people, Shannon. Don't let it discourage you. Although I am sure you will use it as fuel to achieve greatness. I'd like to thank you for working so hard on this subliminal. It's definitely helped so much. It's massively speeding up my progress and I can see myself reaching the end goal in the near future!

How are they being "impatient" when they genuinely aren't getting results? Aren't they supposed to report what results they are actually getting? If people get criticized for not reporting actual results, then it creates a groupthink atmosphere that discourages people from reporting their results

For me I'd like to see reports of what people ARE getting. It would help us understand what's going on more. Plus, sometimes people don't think anything's happening when it is. I've been approached twice by women while on DMSI. Both times were so subtle it would be missed by 99% of guys unless you understand how a girl "approaches".

Granted they weren't what we're after, but they were results.

I think this is a perfect example of how subjective these "results" can be. First of all how attractive are these girls to begin with, everyone has their own standards, and is in their own league.

They were both very attractive to me. Just had to clarify.

For example, if you're like super attractive, a non-attractive girl may ignore you or treat you bad because she sees you as above her league, while an attractive girl can be giving you all the signals. The reverse is true too, if you're not attractive a non-attractive girl may have more confidence towards you, and an attractive girl may ignore you. And then there may be a DMSI user who doesn't believe himself to be in a certain league, and get confused by these results. This is a very real dynamic.

Of course but the goal of DMSI is to make women we find attractive offer themselves to us sexually. For example, I find Megan Fox to be very attractive. A solid 9 for me personally.

Theoretically, DMSI should make her approach me for sex if we were in the same venue and we interacted with each other.

At least, that's my understanding of how it should work.

Then there's approach, when I say approach I mean like a girl walking up to you and starting a conversation / flirting with you. As a shy kid I remember an older (cute face nice ass 9.5/10) girl asking me to join a group where basically I could **** a bunch of girls no string attached. Basically no effort. (I turned it down) And I wouldn't consider myself necessarily an alpha male back then although I think I was pretty cool. Those are the kind of results I think DMSI is aiming for, and it happened for me when I was a shy non-aggressive kid. Although quite handsome. I don't think I would get that kind of result with my current attitude, even though I might be more attractive. [i]There's something to being shy. There may even be power in it.[/i]

Yes, I totally agree. I've been shy many times and had girls come on to me. I've also had girls come on to me when i was being hateful as I've mentioned countless times before.

But i think it's in line with being non-threatening. Same in sales. You can't go far in sales if your threatening. And you can't catch fish by jumping in the water and splashing around. You gotta let them come to you.

So yeah, perhaps we should go down that route more or at least explore it.