Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Raykon]

Shannon. An idea I came up with today that you may or may not already implement in your programs

Simple idea but I think it will be a major improvement if it's not already added.

Breathing is very important, and most people don't breath properly and with the right rythym. Most people hold there breath in too long and breathing doesn't flow.

learn how to make it so that the sub causes you to breath properly and consistently in a nice even flow throughout the day. More oxygen to the brain and it allows your body to release tension and relaxes your body language.

I notice when I'm not breathing properly my body language suffers.

That an issue with DMSI for you?

Yes. Sometimes i notice my breathing is not good and I try to consiously fix it. It's not because of DMSI though. I've always had that. Not 100 percent of the time. Sometimes I breath perfectly fine.

But I can tell you with certainty that the times that i have the most success and blatant results with women while using DMSI is when my body language/breathing is most natural.

EDIT: btw I carry all my tension in my neck and jaw.

[chaosvrgn]

are you back on Version 1 or is that from before? Amazing results man. That's exactly the type of results i'm looking to achieve. I don't want to do ANYTHING and I want women to fall head over heels for me just by looking at me.

I had some pretty amazing experiences on DMSI that made waitresses/cashiers faces turn EXTREMELY red by just looking at them. but lately I haven't noticed that.

I ran two loops of v1 on Tuesday because I had a date and I really, really wanted to bang her that night. I was going to resort to pheromones, but since I've run AM6 twice, my personal pheromone signature has changed so much that I'm not sure about the blends anymore and didn't want to OD.

When dealing with 5.5g, you'll see residual effects for a ridiculous amount of time. My average was about 5 days. Shannon reported having residual results two weeks afterward.

Powerful, crazy tech we're dealing with here.

[Shannon]

Unfortunately, v3 is a shift in both goal phrasing and energy sourcing (compared to v1). Maybe if it under performs, we get a version that uses v1's goal phrasing and keeps the improved energy sourcing. We'll just have to wait and see.

I know you're using E2. You didn't experience each version of DMSI as I did. V1's goal phrasing was the same (or very similar) to BIABWS. It was hit or miss, but the aura was very apparent. And it always seemed to affect older women the most. I affected more women I found attractive on 2.1, and 2.2 would have been amazing if the aura didn't have a conflict in the scripting. Don't glorify V1 when you didn't run it - it wasn't that great.

Sorry, Boss -- v1 was balls to the wall kickass (at least for me). I would pay $299 - $500 for this:

A two subliminal set.

Stage One: Focused on healing. It's a version of E2 directly aimed at achieving the target goal. Heals in the background like E2. Heals you at your own pace. Hides the pain from the conscious mind. Intuitively lets you know when you're ready for Stage 2.

Stage Two: v1's aura + upgraded NSFM (not "Natural Seduction for EVERYONE," as Shannon put it) that puts me in a fierce, hunting mode + the state-shifting and autopilot.

Why not NSFE, chaos? Well, this is pure speculation, but I think the gender neutral thing is holding DMSI back. A lot of people get annoyed when they hear "gender neutral" because they think of all the craziness in the news. When I hear "gender neutral," at least in regards to DMSI, I think of it from the perspective of a businessman: Shannon doesn't want to have to develop, maintain and support multiple SKUs. Solution? Make a turnkey, all-in-one version.

It's not holding anything back. The only difference between gender unspecified and gender specified in the script would be that it would limit the ways DMSI can be used, and it would allow me to be more specific about what kind of sex than it is now.

Here's my issue -- and again, this is PURE speculation, so I may be completely off-base. Men and women have distinct (and almost opposing) sexual strategies. If I had to guess, the autopilot and state-shifting technologies are evolved versions of the tech in NSFM. I imagine those functions work by instructing the subconscious to provide the proper knowledge to the conscious mind to achieve the target goal. However, I bet NSFM also contained direct instructions on seducing women, based upon Shannon's research in human sexuality. In simpler terms, a man that HAD no knowledge of seduction would receive some from the subliminal -- ala Sex Magnet -- which would contribute to his success.

The autopilot and state-shifting technologies are not evolved versions of the tech in NSFM. NSFM also did not contain direct instructions on seducing women

Theoretically, a "Natural Seduction for Everyone," would lack these extra instructions and would rely completely on the autopilot and state-shifting tech. As we've seen with v2.1 and v2.2, the autopilot tech doesn't seem to be kicking in for inexperienced men -- hence the whole, "I don't know what to do with these IOIs" issue.

Autopilot doesn't kick in for inexperienced men because it requires that there be a certain level of fear of the goal or less for the conscious mind to relax enough to allow it to kick in. Inexperienced men naturally have more fear because of their inexperience, and therefore are preventing their own success thereby.

In my opinion, the best way to reach the target goal is separating the subs into multiple SKUs. Think about it -- most women are inundated with male attention anyway. It's not "more male attention" that they want, it's "more alpha male" attention. A SKU dedicated to women could possess that specific phrasing, making it a much more worthwhile investment for them.

It's much more likely that if I stop using the gender universal format, I will not produce anything for women at all, since women have shown next to zero interest in the program as far as I can tell. On the contrary, 90+% seem to be afraid of it.

That being said, we still have to remember that this is still the exploratory stage of brand new science. You can't expect Shannon to get it right the first time because there's no precedence for what's being done here. Most people still don't even believe it's possible. I was telling a good friend of mine about this and he was looking at me like I was absolutely crazy. Shannon mentioned in another thread that developing this correctly is probably harder than going to the moon. People disagreed. Think about it -- there's been a number of successful lunar landings. The powers that be KNOW how to do it. Yes, it's difficult, expensive and requires a HUGE staff. However, it's been done. Multiple times. There's a manual. There's no manual whatsoever to developing something like DMSI.

Bullseye.

[Shannon]

Of course it's gonna work differently for everybody. The aura makes up what, 5% of your overall sex appeal? If you have good looks, cool style and alpha body language v1 will put your entire being into overdrive. That's what I experienced. I don't post everything that happens in my life either. It was hard to distinguish what was causing what at times, but looking back, I know how well v1 worked. On new girls and girls I already knew.

I noticed some effects with 2.1 that were a pale shadow of v1. I didn't notice much from 2.2 othar than some weird emotional process I went through. For some reason, in these last days when I've been off subs, The Mack Is Back.

We need to figure out this NSFM thing though and how to incorporate it. Worst case scenario, I go back to v1 and run NSFM when needed. I have no problems with the constant hunger, come to think of it I almost miss it. Felt like unbreakable after a heavy meal and there was this huge presence around me. Adding the natural seduction for us busy folks who don't have to time to revel in random IOI's and we've got a killer sub on our hands.

5%? I would say that it's a lot more than that, even for those of you who don't notice it.

Point 1: You may or may not be projecting this aura if you cannot detect it consciously. If you are, then it may or may not be on a band you can detect consciously.
Point 2: You may or may not have a clue what you're doing when it comes to noticing and understanding female reactions to the aura.
Point 3: It's damned hard to interpret what's going on inside a woman's body unless you have VERY intimate access to her.

This leaves open a number of possible scenarios for why we haven't achieved the goal results yet.

[Shannon]

Hey guys, quick question:
Does the occurrence of static while I play the ultrasonics imply that my subconscious is no longer getting the messages?

That depends on a lot of factors. Please elaborate.

[CatMan]

I've always thought it was pointless to continue to force this PC "gender neutral" agenda. As let's be honest, women can get relationships/sex by doing virtually nothing and everything happening to them driven by the guy. So I've always been confused about this agenda, because why would women waste their time and money listening to a sub to get "more" sex when it's as easy as breathing for them to get all they want at any time with pretty much any guy they want? Must be nice...WE are the ones that have to go through endless hoops and endless development and need a leg up even to GET laid in some cases, not them. They already have massive amounts of sexual power, so much power and so much privilege, that they take it all for granted. Girls I know have been shocked when I explain how things are from the guy's side of things, they assume that guys have just as easy of a time, lmao. Maybe 1% do.

Good to hear this may be scrapped in time, so the program can be targeted to work more effectively for it's majority 99.99999999999% straight male audience at last.

I can't wait for V2.3, Shannon! I wish it came before I go out in an hour, as it stands I'll need to wait a week before I can properly test it in a similar setting now...but it is what it is. I'll do my best to report on it.

[Shannon]

I've always said that Shannon can't be a "valid tester" in a attraction/manifestation sub because he knows EXACTLY what is in the script EVERY TIME. Therefore, his thinking, attitudes, emotional state, and actions have the potential to be in alignment 100% of the time. No one else really "knows" whats in the script because of trade secrets (which is understandable).

Shannon's not the ideal tester, and because he recognizes that, you guys are also testing. If I was the only tester I ever needed, this would be a lot easier.

That said, me knowing what goes into the script doesn't completely invalidate my results. The reason I do testing is to counterbalance what you guys experience, because I am a different breed than most of you. I understand a lot of things that are not commonly understood, and I have a lot less blockages than most people do. But me getting result X doesn't really mean a whole lot, it's just aimed at giving me a more wholistic point of view of what needs to be done.

A lot of times when he's frustrated and asks why is everyone "resisting so hard" or "not following instructions" this is probably one of the main reasons why (I think he forgets). That, and people are unaware of how the (subconscious) mind is operating/influenced and how "beliefs are created and replaced" (authority figures, brainwaves, repetition, intense emotional states, real-life manifestations, etc)

The majority of guys don't follow instructions for shit most of the time, and you all know it. And some of you are resisting with everything you've got. That's not me imagining things.

I also understand why people are so obsessed with "healing" outside of true medical/traumatic reasons. A lot of people think they can "heal" all there problems away, until all the problems are gone.... Then, magically they are going to get everything they want out of life. It would be great but we are mortal beings with a limited amount of time on Earth to get things done (at least physically). How much time does a world-class Chef spend "Healing" (a lot less time than his ACTUAL TIME cooking). You can heal every aspect of your life regarding the subject of food/cooking for years and go into the kitchen and still not be able to make one good meal. The problem I'm noticing is Motivation and Confidence not Fear and Healing.

I wasn't the one who started calling it healing when I was putting it in DMSI. It was intended to clear blockages - primarily fears. Healing is what everyone started calling it. Really it's clearing blockages and outgrowing them.

Your analogy is a red herring. Cooks don't cook better if they go through emotional healing. Their function as a cook or chef does not require them to be emotionally healthy to be effective and successful. But if you're too afraid to execute the script because of some past trauma or some fear, then you need to overcome that before you can achieve success with DMSI.

"Healing-Therapy-Eliminating Fears" is a very profitable industry. A person doesn't have to be actually broken, you just have to make them believe they are (such as BIG PHARMA and some personal development out there such as Pickup Artist - not all of them).

This sounds like you're implying that I'm trying to distract people from something else by claiming they aren't getting results because they need the growth past fears an traumas.

If Shannon said, he would give $200 USD to every woman you approached using DMSI (solo), but you had to give a brief detailed explanation of each approach daily (by 11:59 pm EST) such as location, age, time of day, etc. these conversations about DMSI would be very different. I also bet it would get very competitive very quickly (so, how many did you approach today). NOBODY would be sitting back focused on "healing" or resistance" unless it was an absolute (obvious/definite). The goal in the example above would be (Confidence-Motivation) moving towards perceived pleasure vs (Fear-Healing) running/hiding from perceived pain.

Right now, the goal is to get people to open up and execute the script. The motivation is sex. But a lot of these guys are too afraid. And, there's the issue of what is not perfect in the script yet? We don't know. That's what we're working on 2.3 and 2.4 and 3.0 and...

There's also this obsession with IOI's (Indicator's of Interest.) Just because a woman shows interest, doesn't mean she's down to have sex with you. Indicator of INTEREST is NOT an Indicator of SEX. Women are "interested" or show signs of "interest" in men for very different reasons. Some for money, some for sex, some for attention, some to use you and manipulate you "because she can", some because they're lonely, some for social status and elevation, some for EGO and self-pride, some for personal revenge, and the list goes on and on....

It is correct to say that not every indicator of interest is an indicator of interest in having sex. It is incorrect to presume that that logically means that no IOIs indicate that state.

IOIs can be given that unquestionably indicate the desire to achieve sex. Showing me her underwear by blatantly spreading her legs at me and holding that position while she stares into my eyes, that's one such IOI. I am working on finding ways to document some of the IOIs I get so you all will understand that I'm not imagining things.

The goal of this program, is to make a woman APPROACH YOU and ACTIVELY initiate a sexual sequence, regardless of what you look like or are wearing (external circumstances). An IOI is NOT an APPROACH. The picture I got when I heard women APPROACH YOU is either a celebrity/popular vibe (where she won't be socially chastised for approaching you) or for example a stripper, when she makes direct eye contact and starts walking towards you (even though the intention is money). In other words, the approach is very DIRECT and OBVIOUS (like giving someone money vs flashing money at someone).

We have already repeatedly determined that to a lot of women, an IOI is an approach in their mind. You are thinking like a man, and she is not.

This program seems to be evolving more towards Sex Magnet (Seducer), than AOSI/DMSI (Seduced). If this is occurring, I can see why people who bought it/contributed to it in the earlier stages would be upset or very critical. Consumers hate stagnation, and the bait-and-switch model which so many people have been "victims" by companies may be "triggering/anchoring" people.

I'm trying to get both parties to act on their desires, because right now, guys are not usually using the program in situations where sex is reasonable to expect in a response. Blowjobs in public anyone? Bend her over the bar? Not likely, no matter what the circumstances are. How many guys are using it on a date, or while they are alone with a woman? And how many of them are getting results? But in both directions, we have the social inhibitions and fears to deal with while there is not enough privacy. So we need to get both parties working toward the same goal.

[Shannon]

I was thinking about DMSI and out ability to control our emotions.

- Could you make DMSI in such a way that the user could on will "turn on or off" the effect of the program?

Reasons why it would be valuable:
1) Not creating sexual tension when it is not 100 % appropriate
2) Being able to expand your emotional arsenal by controlling one more emotion (sexiness)

Ideas for how it could work
1) By holding either a thought or a symbol in the mind, the user could "activate" the program by association. When it had been done enough times, the user could recall the emotion at will, and making it as natural as thinking about something joyful and then become happy.

Am i off track? Would be cool if it would be possible though.

I don't think it's possible.

People are already self limiting, and refusing to execute the script based on "approriateness" and such.

[CatMan]

Hey guys, quick question:
Does the occurrence of static while I play the ultrasonics imply that my subconscious is no longer getting the messages?

That depends on a lot of factors. Please elaborate.

It sounds like his speakers aren't able to play the ultrasonics properly, or he's listening to it too loud. Or perhaps he has a "night mode" or "regain" "dynamic range compression" function on, those can sound staticky when turned on during ultrasonic. Any EQ or Bass functions, need to be turned off as those too will cause staticky sounds. Churchill, use Frequensee, a phone app we use to test volume, to figure out how loud the sub is being played at, make sure it's less than -30db at the speaker MAX. Also, download the speaker test app from the IML store, and play it. See if it starts getting staticky or scratchy etc. at any point. There should be silence when the tone stops. And check to see if those functions I listed are turned on in any way on your device/PC.

It's probably going to boil down to one of those.

[SargeMaximus]

I've always thought it was pointless to continue to force this PC "gender neutral" agenda. As let's be honest, women can get relationships/sex by doing virtually nothing and everything happening to them driven by the guy. So I've always been confused about this agenda, because why would women waste their time and money listening to a sub to get "more" sex when it's as easy as breathing for them to get all they want at any time with pretty much any guy they want? Must be nice...WE are the ones that have to go through endless hoops and endless development and need a leg up even to GET laid in some cases, not them. They already have massive amounts of sexual power, so much power and so much privilege, that they take it all for granted. Girls I know have been shocked when I explain how things are from the guy's side of things, they assume that guys have just as easy of a time, lmao. Maybe 1% do.

Good to hear this may be scrapped in time, so the program can be targeted to work more effectively for it's majority 99.99999999999% straight male audience at last.

I can't wait for V2.3, Shannon! I wish it came before I go out in an hour, as it stands I'll need to wait a week before I can properly test it in a similar setting now...but it is what it is. I'll do my best to report on it.

The point, CatMan, is so that guys like me (bisexual) can still use the sub. I don't appreciate being enthusiastically "scrapped" btw.

Having said that, the solution I think would be to make a sub for attracting women where the wording of the script doesn't indicate the orientation of the listener.

I mean how hard could "women are sexually attracted to me" be to program? You don't need orientation parameters. However, making the sub "straight" is just as bad imo.

[Shannon]

I've always thought it was pointless to continue to force this PC "gender neutral" agenda. As let's be honest, women can get relationships/sex by doing virtually nothing and everything happening to them driven by the guy. So I've always been confused about this agenda, because why would women waste their time and money listening to a sub to get "more" sex when it's as easy as breathing for them to get all they want at any time with pretty much any guy they want? Must be nice...WE are the ones that have to go through endless hoops and endless development and need a leg up even to GET laid in some cases, not them. They already have massive amounts of sexual power, so much power and so much privilege, that they take it all for granted. Girls I know have been shocked when I explain how things are from the guy's side of things, they assume that guys have just as easy of a time, lmao. Maybe 1% do.

Good to hear this may be scrapped in time, so the program can be targeted to work more effectively for it's majority 99.99999999999% straight male audience at last.

I can't wait for V2.3, Shannon! I wish it came before I go out in an hour, as it stands I'll need to wait a week before I can properly test it in a similar setting now...but it is what it is. I'll do my best to report on it.

You are not considering all the reasons it is the way it is as it stands. It's not just for women and men. If I scrap it, it would be because it is a last ditch effort to make it work better. But if I thought that would really work in the first place, we would already be doing it that way.

[Natious]

Point 3: It's damned hard to interpret what's going on inside a woman's body unless you have VERY intimate access to her.

[CatMan]

I've always thought it was pointless to continue to force this PC "gender neutral" agenda. As let's be honest, women can get relationships/sex by doing virtually nothing and everything happening to them driven by the guy. So I've always been confused about this agenda, because why would women waste their time and money listening to a sub to get "more" sex when it's as easy as breathing for them to get all they want at any time with pretty much any guy they want? Must be nice...WE are the ones that have to go through endless hoops and endless development and need a leg up even to GET laid in some cases, not them. They already have massive amounts of sexual power, so much power and so much privilege, that they take it all for granted. Girls I know have been shocked when I explain how things are from the guy's side of things, they assume that guys have just as easy of a time, lmao. Maybe 1% do.

Good to hear this may be scrapped in time, so the program can be targeted to work more effectively for it's majority 99.99999999999% straight male audience at last.

I can't wait for V2.3, Shannon! I wish it came before I go out in an hour, as it stands I'll need to wait a week before I can properly test it in a similar setting now...but it is what it is. I'll do my best to report on it.

The point, CatMan, is so that guys like me (bisexual) can still use the sub. I don't appreciate being enthusiastically "scrapped" btw.

Having said that, the solution I think would be to make a sub for attracting women where the wording of the script doesn't indicate the orientation of the listener.

I mean how hard could "women are sexually attracted to me" be to program? You don't need orientation parameters. However, making the sub "straight" is just as bad imo.

To be fair, I haven't heard of one person on here, gay or bisexual who is interested in the program, so it's possible but I haven't seen one. But I'm confused, Sarge. You aren't using DMSI anyway, aren't you on AM6? If you're bisexual, AM6 is designed for heterosexuals. "Only works for heterosexual males of at least 18 years of age". I haven't followed your journal admittedly as I tend to focus on subs I am listening to and haven't ran AM6 in awhile, but if you've struggled to see benefits from AM6 besides OGSF and E1, that's likely why. My brother is gay, and during my AM6 run when he was living with me and sleeping within hearing distance of my speaker use at night, he was absolutely getting solid benefits from the OGSF and E1 from my speakers at night, but of course not the main program due to the gender/orientation limiters. Going into his past, painful things dealt with, people dealt with, ALL textbook OGSF and E1 experiences, stuff he hasn't thought of for years and only started once I started AM6. My theory is, for AM6, Shannon added the orientation gender stuff for the main AM6 course, but obviously E1 and OGSF were left without tags for orientation at least, if not for gender as well, hence why my brother benefited.

Didn't mean to elaborate so much there lol, but the experience with my brother was notable and pleasantly unexpected as I was happy he gained somewhat "bonus" benefit and does have a lot of demons from his past. And it was not something I think I've mentioned before on the forum. So I took the opportunity now!

[Sickologist]

Gender neutral or not, doesn't make much difference to me. I was having great results with AOS and v1 which are both gender neutral.

That being said, I still can't get over this idea of fusing DMSI with NSFM and make it a male version for "the hunter". It would be perfect for me.