Shannon's Journal Discussion

[4Kingdoms]

If you want to invest in the success of DMSI, either buy a copy and become a "beta tester / influencer" and submit detailed reports. OR, if you're like, f*ck that jive cuz I ain't spending my cash, contribute to the many "idea threads" we have here to spark creativity and growth.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7535-p...#pid126712

BTW I will be trying the new version of DMSI when it's released.

[chaosvrgn]

If you want to invest in the success of DMSI, either buy a copy and become a "beta tester / influencer" and submit detailed reports. OR, if you're like, f*ck that jive cuz I ain't spending my cash, contribute to the many "idea threads" we have here to spark creativity and growth.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7535-p...#pid126712

BTW I will be trying the new version of DMSI when it's released.

Well, my comments weren't completely directed at Ricardo. Was also referring to anyone else that wants to complain without contributing, or doesn't understand the nature of what's happening here.

[sawell54]

I think adding eye contact, flirtation, body language into aura of sexiness V3 is not going to be useful. The program should be about developing an aura of sexiness, so powerful & strong it magnetically attracts women to you. I highly doubt adding flirtation, body language into it will make it better. We should focus on how can we make the aura/vibe/energy stronger & better. Let's focus on what we cannot see ( the aura ) vs what we can see ( body language, eye contact, flirtation, etc...)

IMO body language/eye contact/flirtation is the catalyst for the vibe/aura, a vessel or a tower to transmit the aura and sexy signals to the women .. how incongruent will it be to be sending out a sexy aura with bad body language, weak eye contact and no flirtation skills?

Thats why alot of guys is going to end up "ghosting" and having poor results. because you are sending out the vibes but are confusing women when you don't know how to reciprocate their advances. Like chaos said guys keep focusing to strongly on having women try to initiate like a man would.

Women have their way of approaching and men have their way. The incorporation of the bodylanguage/eye contact/ and flirting are going to be our way of letting the women know that we are open to their sexual advances and I feel that would help our success much more than solely focusing on the aura. Like I said before think of the bodylanguage/eyecontact/ and flirtation as a auric sword, or a tower that transmit the aura/vibes to women. I have a friend that uses his eyes to projects his energy into to them. He always gets comments from women all the time (I have witness it many times) that they can feel in their body through his eyes, like he is shooting energy at them through his eyes and it turns them on (Their Words).

My friend melts women with his eyes, smile, and body language. I have literally have never seen anything like what he does in person only through movies.
We will see what 2.3 can do but I look forward to both 2.3 and v3 with these additions/subtractions. If you want only aura optimization stick with 2.3 We are in testing and at the end of the day I feel we should test all possibilities.

[4Kingdoms]

If you want to invest in the success of DMSI, either buy a copy and become a "beta tester / influencer" and submit detailed reports. OR, if you're like, f*ck that jive cuz I ain't spending my cash, contribute to the many "idea threads" we have here to spark creativity and growth.

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7535-p...#pid126712

BTW I will be trying the new version of DMSI when it's released.

Well, my comments weren't completely directed at Ricardo. Was also referring to anyone else that wants to complain without contributing, or doesn't understand the nature of what's happening here.

I know that and I agree with you!! It amazes me how much negativity is coming from the people that aren't testing DMSI.

Just buy it and use it and then you have a right to voice your opinion about how it is or isn't working for you.

It hasn't gotten me laid by the women I'm attracted to, though like I said there are women that "aren't my type" that are pursuing me. I am seeing results and it may not be what people want to hear... what I'm reporting is honest and truthful.

[Ricardo]

I accept the fact that DMSI is in a testing state and it may well be for a while. However my comments are not aimless. I just want users to be more critical of their IoI's and look to a longer term, if necessary, with the 'target' to be sure. Otherwise if we are all jumping on the occasional stare or smile then it doesn't help anyone distinguish results from normal day to day interactions or pleasantries.
I also appreciate the new frontiers Shannon is pushing here but considering the goal, this sub could be a total game changer, so being as critical as we can will help get it as good as it can be

[Shawn]

However, here's the kicker though Chaosvrgn and you just mentioned it...the women who are affected who give these IOI's might believe that they ARE initiating sex. I've seen it before where a woman shoots a guy a barrel full of IOI's, the guy doesn't recognize it, and she gets frustrated because in her mind she's like "well damn, I made it OBVIOUS I want you to f*ck me, what gives?"

I think you are here really into something. I remember a while ago talking with a girl about how men have to do all the work by approaching women. She said, she was often approaching men (as she was single), but they didn't get it most times. There I said that the passive way you women do such things doesn't count. She laughed. So they might really believe they are approaching by doing all the stuff.

[Steven]

@chaosvrgn

When you talked about women giving IOIs and that being associated with them being aroused to the point of being wet, would you please give some examples because I think there would be a difference between IOIs such as a hair toss versus a woman squeezing her legs tighter and tighter together.

[Shawn]

@chaosvrgn

When you talked about women giving IOIs and that being associated with them being aroused to the point of being wet, would you please give some examples because I think there would be a difference between IOIs such as a hair toss versus a woman squeezing her legs tighter and tighter together.

Just read the story with M. in his journal.

[chaosvrgn]

Relevant to our discussion: http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7848-p...#pid127074

[Sickologist]

K-Train & Mr. Anderson, good points. I'm often seeing that as well, guys who are completely oblivious to women's "subtle" advances. I'd also say it depends on culture or where you are. In my experience, hot latinas in Florida approach head on, I didn't have to lift a finger while hot blondes in Northern Europe won't give much away unless they're drunk. There was a particular girl at my gym who never looked at me in any way that would signal attraction, but I had a gut feeling....and I was right. So with that I think some emphasis should be placed on presence and awareness. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the Maestro has already provided that in full.

It's not like attraction always comes in smiles and inviting looks. When a girl is really shy around you, now that's a proper IOI.

[Steven]

@chaosvrgn

Thanks for posting the link. MUCH more clear about what you mean by IOIs.

[chaosvrgn]

@chaosvrgn

When you talked about women giving IOIs and that being associated with them being aroused to the point of being wet, would you please give some examples because I think there would be a difference between IOIs such as a hair toss versus a woman squeezing her legs tighter and tighter together.

Here's the M story. Yes, I feel really bad about this now. I was going through some serious sh*t on AM6 that I'm finally over: http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7546-p...#pid115316

In regards to IOIs, you're absolutely right. There's a huge difference between a hair toss and a woman squeezing her legs together. By the time the latter starts happening, she's crazy wet. If you're near a woman and she's doing that and you don't start flirting, you're missing out on some prime p***y.

Here's how I do it: I've categorized body language cues by level. I try to get her to escalate levels at a natural speed. Too fast and she shuts down, begins to sl*t shame herself. Too slow and you risk her getting bored (happened to me about a month ago). Once you begin the escalation, you're not longer a potential provider. You're a potential lover and she wants you to act like it. You start going back into provider territory and she'll ghost you.

So, I try to escalate at a natural speed, starting with the basic cues -- prolonged eye-contact, her looking down and smiling, hair flips...

To the next cues -- hair TWIRLING (where she twirls her hair around her fingers), head bowing, that seductive, smirking look while she's talking to you. At this point, I usually start touching her. Shoulder. Comfortably. If we're on a couch, I make a joke about how far away she is, that I can't hear her. Put my arm around her.

At this point, if she touches you (and I know some of the other folks are gonna disagree), you might've f*cked up. Women hate being overt, so the fact that she had to touch you first kinda puts you in "boyfriend" status. Usually, when this happens, I escalate -- HARD -- to try and salvage.

Anyway, I start pushing for kissing and all that stuff once I get to the squirming in the chair, bouncing their legs, etc. etc. etc.

And here's the controversy. How do I escalate? I start revealing more and more of my "dark," yet playful side. Doing things socially unacceptable. If they tell me to stop, I clown them for it. Yada yada. You get the picture.

[K-Train]

I think you are here really into something. I remember a while ago talking with a girl about how men have to do all the work by approaching women. She said, she was often approaching men (as she was single), but they didn't get it most times. There I said that the passive way you women do such things doesn't count. She laughed. So they might really believe they are approaching by doing all the stuff.

That's exactly what I'm talking about man and I'm going to address your post and Steven's post all at once. About 2 years ago former female friend/classmate of mine broke up with her BF at the time. She would text much more than is normal and my intuition kept telling me she was attracted and I should try something. To make a long story short...I was right. But not everyone would believe that to be obvious enough. Shit, I frankly don't think that was obvious so I can't blame others for missing shit like that.

@Sickologist: that's a very good point man. Culture definitely plays a role and I think that's why Shannon was very interested in the results garnered from people in the UK due to the more reserved environment there.

I think Minititan and Kenpachi have the gold standards as far as achieving the main goal of DMSI:

A woman directly asking Kenpachi for sex → http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7537-p...#pid113676

Woman expressing pretty blatant interest in Kenpachi → http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7537-p...#pid114236

Minititan's infamous experience at the italian restaurant where he was asked for sex AND got mounted (by a different woman) → http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7543-p...#pid115986

[Sickologist]

UK reserved? I've been to London a few times. I was approached by women all the time, didn't matter if it was in Hackney or Piccadilly Circus. British people are chatty, not on the same level as Americans, but not far away. Try taking a trip to Scandinavia and you'll see what reserved really means. The only exception is Sweden. There's a reason why I approach so many girls here, you have to. In the US the girl would walk up to me and say "hey, you wanna dance?" with a big smile on her face and the deal was sealed. At that point I was unaware of subs so I can only imagine what's in store for me next time I go there.