Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Shawn]

FLAC format would be fine. But I don't know if more than CD quality is required or make sense. And there may be still some people who listen to the tracks on CD. Burning it from a higher quality format would mean the decoder need to convert the signal, which could mean a loss of information. So at the end 16bit / 44,1 kHz could be a smarter choice.

[Dzemoo]

FLAC format would be fine. But I don't know if more than CD quality is required or make sense. And there may be still some people who listen to the tracks on CD. Burning it from a higher quality format would mean the decoder need to convert the signal, which could mean a loss of information. So at the end 16bit / 44,1 kHz could be a smarter choice.

converting it from mp3 to cd would be a higher loss

just because its cd quality it doesnt mean its cd format

[Darkness]

Super creativity sub 4G

[Shawn]

FLAC format would be fine. But I don't know if more than CD quality is required or make sense. And there may be still some people who listen to the tracks on CD. Burning it from a higher quality format would mean the decoder need to convert the signal, which could mean a loss of information. So at the end 16bit / 44,1 kHz could be a smarter choice.

converting it from mp3 to cd would be a higher loss

just because its cd quality it doesnt mean its cd format

You must mean encoding from cd to mp3. As far I know converting mp3 to wav/cd is lossless. The information are just decoded which happens also when playing. There is no new encoding. A quality loss would appear if the mp3 didn't had the 16bit/44,1 kHz format.

[Shannon]

Cann you consider shanon to build future sub files in higher lossless quality (wav, flac, alac, mp4) and with 24 bit and at least 48khz cd qualoty seems not to be enough for future sub quality amd 6g

Lossless quality is not an issue for encoding. I can do that. It won't make much difference, but I can do it.

As for the rest, I can guarantee you that working in 24 bit and/or 48 kHz is not going to help improve the results of these programs. The difference between what I'm using now, and those settings, is so minor that the cost to benefit ratio is hugely in favor of what I currently use - which is why I currently use that instead. The cost is huge files, which would eat a lot of space on our servers and a lot of bandwidth, and take much more space on your disks and players. The benefit is virtually nonexistent in comparison.

I just did an experiment encoding a copy of my 6G prototype in FLAC, best compression, in 16 and 24 bit. As an mp3 @ 320 kBps, this file is 73 megabytes. As a 16 bit FLAC, it's 298 megabytes. As a 24 bit FLAC, it's 600 megabytes. The difference in audio quality between the 16 and 24 bit? None. They are indistinguishable.

So... cost outweighs benefit for anything above 16 bit FLAC. I'm not even entirely sure that having a 16 bit FLAC option is even reasonable from a cost to benefit perspective, but I'm certainly willing to consider it.

Trust me, what I am working in now is plenty good enough even for 6G, as even today's experiment evidenced.

You need to start having some smart kids that will continue your legacy Shannon.

That is in the works, but I have one more thing left to accomplish before I allow myself to intentionally reproduce. That one thing should be accomplished within the next 1-2 years. At that point, release the hounds! But until then, the only way I'm going to have kids is if some force greater than myself decides it is so. I believe that parenting is a responsibility of such magnitude that it begins before becoming a parent. In 1-2 years, I will have accomplished everything I have been working to accomplish before becoming a parent.

Once I do have kidlings, though, I can only teach one of them my craft if there are any who are willing and interested, and prove themselves to me to be sufficiently competent. We shall see.

[Shannon]

Just thought you might find this interesting.

The following is a quote I encountered while researching this matter - FLAC vs 320 kBps MP3 specifically.

I have friends who work in codec development. They conduct tests with music professionals using high-end equipment and most of them stop being able to distinguish between CD and MP3 around 256kbps.

[Shawn]

Just thought you might find this interesting.

The following is a quote I encountered while researching this matter - FLAC vs 320 kBps MP3 specifically.

I have friends who work in codec development. They conduct tests with music professionals using high-end equipment and most of them stop being able to distinguish between CD and MP3 around 256kbps.

I am with you when it comes to hearing the difference between high bitrate MP3 and FLAC. I was just thinking that you said once you loose about 3% effectiveness with MP3 (if I remember correctly) with the subliminal messages. With FLAC it should be possible to keep 100% effectiveness. Maybe it's possible to make a MP3 and FLAC version, so the users who are into perfection could use FLAC instead of MP3.

[Shannon]

Well I'll see if it unreasonably impacts operating costs.

[apollolux]

Once I do have kidlings, though, I can only teach one of them my craft if there are any who are willing and interested, and prove themselves to me to be sufficiently competent. We shall see.

If at any given point you decide to teach someone else, I would certainly appreciate an opportunity to learn this area of audio engineering that I haven't yet approached

[FluffyBunny]

Hey Shannon

Its almost been 2 years since am6 so im wondering ...
If you are thinking of making the next version of Alpha Male soon with 6G ?
And how long would you think it would take to make? would you say as soon as 2016 new years?

[Shannon]

Once I do have kidlings, though, I can only teach one of them my craft if there are any who are willing and interested, and prove themselves to me to be sufficiently competent. We shall see.

If at any given point you decide to teach someone else, I would certainly appreciate an opportunity to learn this area of audio engineering that I haven't yet approached

Most of this is not actually audio engineering; it's more along the lines of computer programming, but I'm programming incredibly complex self aware, multi-layer, self contradictory and in some ways invisible computers that are capable of logic and illogic at the same time, and every one is unique. The audio engineering aspect is pretty small potatoes comparably, and not of much complexity.

90% or more of this job is understanding the human being and how it works, so you can get it to adjust how it works. Perhaps 9% is the perseverance to actually create, edit, and compile the scripts that result. 1% or less has to do with audio engineering.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon

Its almost been 2 years since am6 so im wondering ...
If you are thinking of making the next version of Alpha Male soon with 6G ?
And how long would you think it would take to make? would you say as soon as 2016 new years?

The next version of AM has to wait until I am ready to build it. If it is to be in 6G, then 6G has to be finished being developed, and I have to define it in such a way that I can reliably reproduce the results. It remains to be seen for sure if 6G is compatible with multi-stage sets, although I suspect it is.

I believe that sometime in 2016 I will be finished developing and defining 6G, and be able to begin building in it. When that happens, AM may not be the first thing built with it. So it seems likely to happen sometime in 2016, but that is at best a rough estimate right now.

[FluffyBunny]

Oh ok thanks.

What will be the first few programs that you are planning to build once you have 6G defined?

[Jakeb203]

I hope Shannon can create 6Gs that are compatible with other 5G subs.

A lot of the users have chosen multistages as the predominant programming on a long term basis, but they also have other needs such as manifestation, overcoming certain issues, or success in other areas of life. Would be nice if some of the older subs can be upgraded into this form, or creating 6G multistages that are compatible with older generations.