Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Griffin]

Hmm, on one hand why not make it a "one stop shop"? On the other, would planting instructions into the sub about how the user attains wealth, or rather what principles they use to do it possibly be restricting them from seeing infinite possibilities of making and maintaining monetary success in ways they would not have otherwise imagined?

If Shannon doesn't make it a one stop shop then the sub would be a waste of time (and money) for the majority of people because attracting money and the acquisition of money require both a mindset change and action.

I hope Shannon considers this because if not he would be making a sub that would not work for most of his customers.

For someone to attract money they need a mindset change. They need to change their beliefs about money and believe they deserve it and it's coming to them. Most people are struggling with money because of the subconscious beliefs they have about money they got from the time they were children. This sub needs to give us an abundance mindset which is why this sub needs:

ABUNDANCE MINDSET
money magnet/ultra success/think like a millionaire/luck magnet. All these subs are about attracting money/changing your beliefs about money and success which leads to money.

But money doesn't grow out of thin air. In order for us to get money we have to provide goods or services. To get money there must be action thus we also need components to get us into action and overcome our obstacles regarding the actions we need to take regarding money.

MONEY ACTION MINDSET
seek the challenge (money edition), overcome procrastination (when it comes to work or whatever we do that involves money), OGSF money edition (to get us working and overcoming fears about working and doing whatever we have to do to get money).

I'm afraid what Shannon wants to do is too simple and he probably knows it. I can tell you from personal experience. I ran BASE and i attracted money to me from unexpected sources from the stages that had money magnet on it. The big mistake was that money magnet was not on every stage of BASE. I feel BASE didn't have enough in it to change my money mindset and or clear my subconscious beliefs about deserving money and abundance.

First, you are making a lot of assumptions here. Second, if it was too simple, I wouldn't be planning to build it. Third, there was no "big mistake" in BASE. Your personal experience does not make the world go round. The issue that BASE has is that it can't get past the fear of some of it's users. That is the issue you faced with BASE, not failing to have money magnet in some stage or other.

It is rather insulting to me to read that you assume that the design is too simple, and "Shannon knows it". As if I'm putting out garbage I know won't work?

You can't know what will or will not work. You can only assume.

Now we have several options here for how UMS can be made.

Level 1: We base it on USLM4, and turn the goals of the program to ultra success with money. This can be done in about a week, and will cost $114.95. This will not affect UMS place in queue.

Level 2: We do Level 1, and then we start adding all sorts of modules for all sorts of things, but keep it as a single stage. This can be done in 2-4 weeks, and will cost $114.95. Here and below, we have set UMS as being last in queue.

Level 3: We do Level 1 and add the complete scripts of several other programs. At this point, this will not be a $114.95 program anymore. You will be charged for each complete title that is encased, ala Life Tune-Up. This will take 2-4 weeks and will cost $114.95 x number of complete single stage titles encased.

Level 4: We do Level 3, but take it a step further and make it a multi-stage program. This will take 4-8 weeks and cost a minimum of what Level 3 would cost, and possibly more.

You guys decide what you want to wait for, and how much you want to spend. But don't assume I'm building programs I know won't work.

hey Shannon, does that mean LTU will be very expensive? like 300+ dollars?...
I was thinking more expensive than 114,95, like 200 or something but not 114,95 x number of comple sine stage titles..

thanks as always!

cheers

I have said before, LTU will be at least $500 a copy. This is me creating multiple full programs in a single title, not just adapting parts of their script to add to a single stage. The goal is to find a way that we don't necessarily need multi-stage programs. But the work and value does not change.

I understand that, i was just not prepared for that amount of money, i probably will still buy it but it will create a temporary life tune down though haha

cheers

[Shadow2200]

@Shannon

When you say it gets moved to the last place in queue around when can we expect you to get started on it and would that mean we should expect it after DMSI 3.4 or before (if it is made after 3.4 would that make it a 6G program?)

Last place in queue means it would come after LTU, USLM4, E3, UMOP3 and anything else that comes as a result of me building LTU 5.5G. It would be the last "child" program. I don't know when I would get started on it, exactly, because it sounds like some of you want it to be a complex program.

DMSI 3.4 is currently planned for build between May and December 2019, depending on when I finish the 6G skeleton script, presuming it is released in 6G. It can't be the first or second program, actually, and the second one is a multi-stage set, so it may end up being that I am forced to build 3.4 in 5.5G in order to get it out in 2019 instead of 2020 depending on when everything else is finished being built. I hadn't thought about that when I planned to release it in 6G. I'm currently expecting the 6G skeleton script to be finished around September to November 2019 as a rough estimate, since I'm estimating April/May for achieving design spec on Beast, and expecting it to take 5-6 months to mine all the technology modules out of it.

But again... we shall see as things progress and we have more concrete information to work with. These are just estimates.

I vote for DMSI update may or earlier, as would be nice to have a lot of the aura effects added in 3.4 as soon as feasible. Even if that means we have to pay for the next version.

[wolverine_i_am]

I vote for DMSI update may or earlier, as would be nice to have a lot of the aura effects added in 3.4 as soon as feasible. Even if that means we have to pay for the next version.

Hrmmm as much as I am greedy to have the best tech out there, May is only 4 months away. We've only been on 3.3 for just under a month, and haven't seen it's full potential yet, as FRM is still doing some deep work on our subconscious. But so far, I believe 3.3 is very promising. We should wait and see what 3.3 does in say another 2-3 months, before rushing 3.4 out.

I want 3.4 to be 'that one'. The one that hits the design specs for the majority of users. I don't want the next version to be released way too early, when we know it still can be majorly improved.

Also a lot of people are still struggling to see any result so far. It wouldn't be fair to them if they had to pay for a DMSI 4.0, when they already paid to test all versions up to 3.4, but aren't getting much out of it yet. But here's hoping that 3.4 will be the game changer and that we won't need a 4.0.

Just my preference anyway.

[josh84]

Hi Shannon, ive moved onto giving masked a go after 3 cycles with nothing from hybrid, do you still suggest a -41db for masked or can volume be turned up?

[dissonance]

Hey Shannon, Happy New Years!
What are you your thoughts on this...

While I was meditating, I kinda thought a bit about DMSI. I kinda thought to myself an analogy of why I feel FRM without H&C isn't ideal. First though, I noticed you talk a lot now about aiming to remove H&C, and only have FRM when FRM is so powerful that we don't need H&C, so that people can *finally* execute the goal of getting themselves laid. However, if I remember correctly, DMSI stands for Develop MAXIMUM Sexual Irristibility, not... get laid at all costs (ok not ALL costs, but you know what I mean). I can't imagine how one can become their MOST sexually attractive self WITHOUT healing. Or clearing. Sure, it'll help people get laid if they have no fear and just go through the actions that would lead to them getting laid, but it wouldn't shape them into the version of themselves that would be maximally sexually attractive.

For me, it feels like FRM without H&C is like punching my fist as hard as i can through a glass sphere that is designed to shatter into sharp shards so that I can grab a golden egg, because hell, I just don't fear the actions. FRM with H&C, I'd imagine would be like me using the neccessary tools to carve a hole in the glass to grab the egg.

Or maybe applied to a seduction scenario, maybe with only FRM, let's say I subconsciously know what to say/do/bodylanguage etc, and I do it, fearlessly. However, what i say/do/bodylanguage wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality, if I had the H&C.

What about instead of trying to have FRM replace H&C completely, just develop both to have the most individual power while being most synergistically paired, working together?

Anyways, anyone else have thoughts on this?

[samba99]

Shannon,

This is the first version of DMSI that I am failing to see any effects at all (no negative no positive).

Currently I am using the ultrasonic flac 5loops.

What do you suggest? I am not seeing any positive or negative effect of the sub

In earlier versions I had alot of both positive and negative results.

But this version is kinda tricky as I am not seeing anything. Barely some related dreams.

BTW I am playing the ultrasonic on Android at volume 12/15.

I started DMSI 3. 3 since the release.

Please let me know what you think?

[Shadow2200]

I vote for DMSI update may or earlier, as would be nice to have a lot of the aura effects added in 3.4 as soon as feasible. Even if that means we have to pay for the next version.

Hrmmm as much as I am greedy to have the best tech out there, May is only 4 months away. We've only been on 3.3 for just under a month, and haven't seen it's full potential yet, as FRM is still doing some deep work on our subconscious. But so far, I believe 3.3 is very promising. We should wait and see what 3.3 does in say another 2-3 months, before rushing 3.4 out.

I want 3.4 to be 'that one'. The one that hits the design specs for the majority of users. I don't want the next version to be released way too early, when we know it still can be majorly improved.

Also a lot of people are still struggling to see any result so far. It wouldn't be fair to them if they had to pay for a DMSI 4.0, when they already paid to test all versions up to 3.4, but aren't getting much out of it yet. But here's hoping that 3.4 will be the game changer and that we won't need a 4.0.

Just my preference anyway.

I,d rather pay for faster updates. 3 months is pently of time to see how well a version works. No need to spend months or years to see what some of the areas of improvement need to be. Hopefully the healing clearing will help with 3.3

[firsthelix]

Shannon can you explain a little bit how important non masturbation is on dmsi and why, how it helps the end goal etc?

Masturbation is the release of sexual energy, among other things. That sexual energy is both a form and source of energy, and a form and source of motivation to achieve sex.

When you have a lot of that sexual energy, you are motivated to do something about it. The goal is to use that energy to make yourself more sexually attractive. The way to defeat that goal is to jerk off.

DMSI is not designed to prevent you from socializing or approaching if you want to. It is designed to maximize how sexually attractive you are, and part of how it does that is by causing you to generate more sexual energy, so that there is more SEX in your aura with which to affect those around you.

The more sexual energy you have, the more sexually attractive and arousing you become, even without the help of DMSI. DMSI uses that sexual energy to achieve it's goals.

Masturbating interrupts that.

I agree! But what about masturbating without jerking off? The old Taoists and Tantrists equally have ways to pull that energy through the chakras while keeping the juice in the body. They believe everytime you ejaculate you waste some of your life energy.

[firsthelix]

Hi Shannon with 3.3 you have self confidence and self esteem all included which is one thing im hoping will start working soon obviously after 1 cycle it wasnt going to change much but you have mentioned that 4.1 is a lot faster working then the 3.2 versions do you think it will take a lot less time even for strong resistors to start seeing changes in confidence?

Since something like FRM has literally never been done before... I can't say yet. But I believe it will, yes.

I ask because having that extra confidence would of been really good this weekend, i had thoughts of approaching women but still held back, but dmsi the women are meant to show us interest first too when we start to execute.

Just curious by all your tests that you run for people that resist a lot will it still take 3 or more months to start seeing big changes and external results from women?

I don't believe there is just one "level of resistance". It's not "resistant or not". It's a spectrum. The more resistant someone is, the more fearful they will be (in some way, at some level), and the longer it will naturally take to remove their fears. I think FRM v3.x should take 3+ months. I think 4.x should take less time. I don't have enough actual evidence to know, and I haven't modeled it.

I see a lot are getting good results from looks and confidence boost and more already so thought to ask, i am using hybrid trickling stream volume is quite loud but comfortable with headphones each night while awake for the 5.5 hours no other music or videos playing during that time so i end up doing some reading. Only exception to this was for 2 days had to use ultrasonic on the cruise as the headphones kept falling off.

So you're going for the "more is better" approach, which is likely why you aren't seeing results. Too much is just as bad as too little, just for different reasons.

Calibrate the volume such that you can only faintly hear the lowest levels of ocean surf, and the highest points are comfortably loud. That is your maximum volume. Try that for a week and see what happens. If you don't start seeing more results, then take it down one notch each cycle until you do.

Thanks shannon, i will try changing the volume on vlc media player on the next cycle, tonight is the last night of trickling stream hybrid and will drop vlc media player volume to 75%. After the 2 day break will move onto ocean surf hybrid and will try between 50 and 75% and see if the lower volumes will work better for me.

Just seeing that 12 of 15 volume is recommended and others having volume up loud is why i had been doing it that way but will decrease volume for the cycles from now on and see how it goes.

Would 10% decrease be equal to one notch on a phone?

A volume of 12 is recommended for Jake. Not for everyone. There is a high correlation between a volume of 10-12-13-14-15 for Beast, but I haven't tested DMSI, etc. I am recommending 12/15 to Jake because it is known across several different programs (Beast, MIR, ARA, USLM, SE, DNWS, GPR) to be the sweet spot for execution from resistant personalities when you are using a cell phone.

You will have to use a volume meter to know what the equivalent volume is for VLC, and you have to take into account volume at the source (speaker) and distance from speaker to ear. Even that isn't perfect because some phones have speakers positioned at different distances from their microphones, which may translate into a different volume than 12.

Interesting! How does that translate for iPhone users with no volume indication?

[ncbeareatingman]

IM ALL FOR LEVEL 1!! Good Gawd,I"ve waited for 10 yrs for something like this to come along!! Im damn ready...lets go!! I feel like 'look how lucky we are to even have such technology available to us and at such a price!" IM ready to git it on! to git on with da "git git!!"
PS: What about ALL the people that will come,that will show up,that before have never heard of IML before? if USM is at a decent price as in 115$ more people would be willing to pay that than 500+$ for a program they've never used or even seen the power of IML to draw upon. I think sales wise USM at 115$ would be a win win for all parties concerned. Shannon,obviously has a business to consider as well as keeping as many customers satified/reasonably satisfied with the program(s) at hand. again I think Level 1 would be a total win-win for all parties concerned. Im ALL for it!!

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon, ive moved onto giving masked a go after 3 cycles with nothing from hybrid, do you still suggest a -41db for masked or can volume be turned up?

The 12/15 volume on an android device is specifically for tracks consisting of Ultrasonic audio in whole or in part. Masked, you should calibrate as normal with the ocean surf track.

[THolt]

I created a poll for UMS where you can vote on the different options and also discuss it:
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Title...MS-Options-

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon, Happy New Years!
What are you your thoughts on this...

While I was meditating, I kinda thought a bit about DMSI. I kinda thought to myself an analogy of why I feel FRM without H&C isn't ideal. First though, I noticed you talk a lot now about aiming to remove H&C, and only have FRM when FRM is so powerful that we don't need H&C, so that people can *finally* execute the goal of getting themselves laid. However, if I remember correctly, DMSI stands for Develop MAXIMUM Sexual Irristibility, not... get laid at all costs (ok not ALL costs, but you know what I mean). I can't imagine how one can become their MOST sexually attractive self WITHOUT healing. Or clearing. Sure, it'll help people get laid if they have no fear and just go through the actions that would lead to them getting laid, but it wouldn't shape them into the version of themselves that would be maximally sexually attractive.

What do you suppose happens when and if you execute the script fully? Sex, whatever amount you agree to. And just because you can't imagine something doesn't mean it can't be. I am aiming for a version of DMSI that does not include H&C because that seems to me to be a trap for "oh, this feels good, let's just hide here forever, endlessly healing and clearing while not really doing Jack Schitt!"

For me, it feels like FRM without H&C is like punching my fist as hard as i can through a glass sphere that is designed to shatter into sharp shards so that I can grab a golden egg, because hell, I just don't fear the actions. FRM with H&C, I'd imagine would be like me using the neccessary tools to carve a hole in the glass to grab the egg.

What you're describing is a fear. You're basically saying, "I'm afraid that by letting go of fear, I'm going to get hurt." In other words... you're not done with FRM, and you're fighting it. You're also asking for H&C because "that will save me!" when really, H&C has so far only provided people with an excuse to heal and clear instead of execute.

Or maybe applied to a seduction scenario, maybe with only FRM, let's say I subconsciously know what to say/do/bodylanguage etc, and I do it, fearlessly. However, what i say/do/bodylanguage wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality, if I had the H&C.

There's no reason it "wouldn't have the natural, genuine, true-to-self finesse and vibe that I would have if I truly believed, felt synonymous with, embodied, felt deserving of, felt worthy of, etc of saying/doing-with-bodylanguage/having-a-certain-vocal-tonality". Fear removal isn't "pulling the wool over your eyes" and getting you to do and believe things that aren't true. It's removing the fear so you can stop hiding behind excuses like these and actually achieve the goal of the program you paid for.

What about instead of trying to have FRM replace H&C completely, just develop both to have the most individual power while being most synergistically paired, working together?

Anyways, anyone else have thoughts on this?

We are going to have development on FRM for a while yet, so regardless, it is too early to decide to scrap FRM only. DMSI-C is coming out most likely this month so I can see what FRM and H&C do together. It is possible that the combination is the answer we have been looking for. If so, yay! But I am suspicious of that because of what you guys have done in response to H&C in the past. Plus, my goal is ONE program stage with ONE "version" per release, so we don't have to have A and B and C and D and E and F and G. H&C almost certainly does not fit in with that because it apparently is much more convenient for you guys to just hide in it instead of execute, and you never want to turn it off when you're done because you're never done. It's too convenient and cozy. So my solid goal is to get rid of H&C and get your asses in gear.

[Shannon]

Shannon,

This is the first version of DMSI that I am failing to see any effects at all (no negative no positive).

Currently I am using the ultrasonic flac 5loops.

What do you suggest? I am not seeing any positive or negative effect of the sub

In earlier versions I had alot of both positive and negative results.

But this version is kinda tricky as I am not seeing anything. Barely some related dreams.

BTW I am playing the ultrasonic on Android at volume 12/15.

I started DMSI 3. 3 since the release.

Please let me know what you think?

In the past, you saw outward results. Suddenly, with FRM, you're only seeing traces in dreams. That is a significant difference from the past, and it means that FRM is hard at work dealing with what has REALLY been holding you back.

I suggest you spend at least 4 weeks doing Ultrasonic or Hybrid before trying Masked format. And keep in mind, 12/15 is not the holy grail. But if you're having this response, it's definitely doing something for you.