Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[ncbeareatingman]

extending the Success and the Good Fortune(Luck) as far as they can go( currently,which sounds like a helluva 'far ways' up there,out there,from here to there) on USL-Maximizer...looking forward to giving this a rock n' roll ride...git-r-done ,git at it beau'! whew this is gonna be a muther!!

[Broski]

Hey Shannon,

Would it be possible to design a sub to lead to enlightenment or the continuous expansion of ones consciousness to the point of transcending the limitations of the mine and experiencing "oneness" with all? Or does the fact that subliminals are directly working with the mind and awareness is beyond the logical mind prevent such a thing from being possible?

The question you should be asking is... can the awareness be made to experience that state before it is ready to, and can it fail to experience that state afterwards?

That is the result of being at a certain level of growth, and it is a natural and quite automatic response once that level has been achieved. It isn't something I can magically make happen with a subliminal.

I can make a program that would theoretically speed up your growth process toward that end, but that would seem to be the limit of what I can do.

Cool, thanks for the response

[Tigerismyspirit]

Shannon, I've been on MLS since August 28 (I took a 32-day break from DMSI) and the H/C seems to be DMSI-like. It's not as intense as DMSI h/c but still it makes me shed tears and I do have the something-is-stuck-in-my stomach feeling. Other than that, the learning part hasn't improved at all and the procrastination seems to have gone up. Celebrity effect from DMSI is there no more. I have used two 5.5G subs (DMSI and MLS). Before that I used Overcome Approach Anxiety (I think that was 4g) for a couple of weeks prior to switching to DMSI. It's been a year I've been with IML and I didn't have sex on DMSI after trying it for 9 months. I don't want to stop MLS before giving it a three month time. However, why am I resisting your sub? Any insight?

The answer to resistance, the universe and everything seems to be... fear. Everything traces back to that, every time. I know some of you disagree with me on that, but based on my understanding of human psychology and the conscious and subconscious awareness, that's what it is.

That's why I have H&C, and that's why I have been developing the fear removal modules so intensely for almost a year now.

Why don't you want to stop MLS if you're just resisting it?

MLS, unlike DMSI, has worked for most (that's what I gathered from the journals) even though the effects may have happened later during the run. So, I'm a bit hopeful that it may work for me and help me reach my learning goals. DMSI, on the other hand, seemed to have a goal that was far fetched and not achievable (I felt that specially on side A). Moreover, MLS should be used over a three-month time. That's why I'm waiting until the end of next month to determine any progress. Then I may take a month break to try DMSI 3.3 (that depends on how the heavy resisters respond. Sarge/wolverine/Josh will be under my watchdog).

BTW, will I be able to ask for a refund if I don't see MLS results after three months?

[Shannon]

Shannon, I've been on MLS since August 28 (I took a 32-day break from DMSI) and the H/C seems to be DMSI-like. It's not as intense as DMSI h/c but still it makes me shed tears and I do have the something-is-stuck-in-my stomach feeling. Other than that, the learning part hasn't improved at all and the procrastination seems to have gone up. Celebrity effect from DMSI is there no more. I have used two 5.5G subs (DMSI and MLS). Before that I used Overcome Approach Anxiety (I think that was 4g) for a couple of weeks prior to switching to DMSI. It's been a year I've been with IML and I didn't have sex on DMSI after trying it for 9 months. I don't want to stop MLS before giving it a three month time. However, why am I resisting your sub? Any insight?

The answer to resistance, the universe and everything seems to be... fear. Everything traces back to that, every time. I know some of you disagree with me on that, but based on my understanding of human psychology and the conscious and subconscious awareness, that's what it is.

That's why I have H&C, and that's why I have been developing the fear removal modules so intensely for almost a year now.

Why don't you want to stop MLS if you're just resisting it?

MLS, unlike DMSI, has worked for most (that's what I gathered from the journals) even though the effects may have happened later during the run. So, I'm a bit hopeful that it may work for me and help me reach my learning goals. DMSI, on the other hand, seemed to have a goal that was far fetched and not achievable (I felt that specially on side A). Moreover, MLS should be used over a three-month time. That's why I'm waiting until the end of next month to determine any progress. Then I may take a month break to try DMSI 3.3 (that depends on how the heavy resisters respond. Sarge/wolverine/Josh will be under my watchdog).

BTW, will I be able to ask for a refund if I don't see MLS results after three months?

So let's look at what you've said here.

First you said that:

DMSI, on the other hand, seemed to have a goal that was far fetched and not achievable

Followed by

(I felt that specially on side A).

This tells me that you are resisting this program specifically because you are refusing to open your mind to the fact that its goals are possible and achievable. We know this, because various people have done that in real testing, and this has happened more than three times.

So it's not that the goals are not possible, and not achievable, it's that you are refusing to accept that they are.

When you refuse to accept something as possible, you are effectively (and intentionally) making it impossible for yourself, regardless of how possible it actually is. This is a choice. And I would bet that it's a choice that arises from fear.

You also said that you especially felt that on Side A.

Feeling it is a communication from your emotional subconscious to your conscious mind, and it happening on Side A tells me that the subconscious was resisting execution by insisting that it is impossible, when Side A is designed to cause you to heal and clear whatever prevents you from executing.

In Side B, that is not happening, and so the subconscious did not have to fight as hard to insist that it is "impossible".

So what we have here is you, subconsciously at least, insisting that the goals of the program are impossible, when we know that isn't true based on observable facts and repeated evidences. The only reason you would do that is because you are afraid of achieving the goals. Which is what I said earlier.

You are not the only person present who is using this tactic to stop DMSI from working. Hopefully, the fear removal modules will help you overcome this.

But I will not be rebuilding MLS until 6G. So I suggest you start preparing for DMSI 3.3.

[XyzN]

Your well written description for USLM makes it very tempting to try out Shannon. I didn't mention it earlier, but you make it very relateable when you include thorough explanations and personal experiences to the reader. Going as far to even making a thread on your own experiences with it. I feel like a lot of users underestimate just how much you stand behind your products and not just this one. For just those reasons alone I would love to try out USLM especially the newer version, but 3.3 is coming as well and I personally don't know yet which I'll value more at the moment(Not to mention LTU). You make it a hard decision which to listen to with how much passion you're putting behind each one of these. Thanks for always being so honest and open with your progress and achievements.

I'm also very excited with the fear modules you are placing in the subs. Fear has always been a major, if not THE problem plaguing major aspects of my responsibilities in life. Looking forward to experiencing it.

[Paul1131]

Shannon,
You said you haven’t been able to calculate the secondary ASRB on USLM 2. Assuming it shows up today, should those of us who are switching just run our usual one loop today?

[Kol]

It seems the fear modules are affecting me already. All bs thrown at me is lifted off on DMSI B, recognize and dissolve basically. Its rather fast and I would say, flawless in its results.

[Tigerismyspirit]

So let's look at what you've said here.

First you said that:

DMSI, on the other hand, seemed to have a goal that was far fetched and not achievable

Followed by

(I felt that specially on side A).

This tells me that you are resisting this program specifically because you are refusing to open your mind to the fact that its goals are possible and achievable. We know this, because various people have done that in real testing, and this has happened more than three times.

So it's not that the goals are not possible, and not achievable, it's that you are refusing to accept that they are.

When you refuse to accept something as possible, you are effectively (and intentionally) making it impossible for yourself, regardless of how possible it actually is. This is a choice. And I would bet that it's a choice that arises from fear.

You also said that you especially felt that on Side A.

Feeling it is a communication from your emotional subconscious to your conscious mind, and it happening on Side A tells me that the subconscious was resisting execution by insisting that it is impossible, when Side A is designed to cause you to heal and clear whatever prevents you from executing.

In Side B, that is not happening, and so the subconscious did not have to fight as hard to insist that it is "impossible".

So what we have here is you, subconsciously at least, insisting that the goals of the program are impossible, when we know that isn't true based on observable facts and repeated evidences. The only reason you would do that is because you are afraid of achieving the goals. Which is what I said earlier.

You are not the only person present who is using this tactic to stop DMSI from working. Hopefully, the fear removal modules will help you overcome this.

But I will not be rebuilding MLS until 6G. So I suggest you start preparing for DMSI 3.3.

Don't you think I would have given up a long time ago rather than sticking with it for 9 months (6 months on 3.2 alone) if I wasn't believing the goal was achievable? I quit because it was severe to the point where I lost my mental coherence, didn't have a clear vision about my life. I wasn't sure where I was headed and my work was getting super hampered. I'm on an H1B visa in the States and can't afford to lose my job. Otherwise, I would have kept going.

Edit: Here is the long post that I wrote right after I stopped DMSI. It'll give you an insight about my resistance. I posted this about 2 and a half months ago in your journal but never got a response. So, I'm reposting this.

Shannon, I've decided to stop DMSI after 9 months of continuous use due to the following explanation. I think I was a regular updater during this entire time that may have helped you a lot in collecting data and improving for the future releases. Please don't hesitate to suggest if you have any better thoughts. This has been taken and modified from my own journal. Three primary reasons behind my decision to stop DMSI

1. Lack of mental clarity that contributed to severe mental fatigue/dissonance and lack of focus at work with not having the ability to think clearly
2. Physical laziness. I wasn't necessarily that much tired on 7 loops but I would not do anything, and by that I mean anything at all and only roll around my bed killing time on this forum, instagram, and facebook.
3. Nothing tangible or evident from the women side.

Expanding on point 1: I haven't got anything done at work for almost two weeks. Last week, specially when I was on 7 loops fully, I just came to work, browsed the internet, took a walk, drove around, talked to my coworkers, and wasted time on company hours. I cannot let this keep happening. I'm on a visa in the US. I had hell of journey that lasted almost 7 months after losing my last job due to corporate politics. It ended up me getting on the verge of leaving this country for good and accumulating over 20,000 dollars in credit card debt that I'll be paying down for a while. This job saved my ass huge time and made me stay in this country legally. I CANNOT afford to lose this job due to my performance slump. I need to focus and get shit done. But DMSI, like the other areas of my life, took away my ability to think and look ahead for planning. Specially side A. When I'm on A, I don't do anything but feel remorse for coming from a beta background, regret for not taking action early in my life, family history, my upbringing problems, my parents not teaching me to be the driver of my life and the pain they inflicted on me, me sitting on huge debt even after getting the job about 11 months ago, all the girls that rejected me, why I had to lose my virginity later than most people, why I'm not alpha enough, and what not! Ok, I understand that it works on those issues by bringing them to the surface, but that shouldn't stop me from running my regular life. The mental exhaustion was too much to the point that I took a 3 hour nap once after I got back home. My life only revolved around going to work, hitting the gym, coming back home, and wasting time online. And throughout the day, I would visit this forum tens of times, which became super addictive. I could have taken actions or done something else but I noticed that I wouldn't have to think about it. I would just open my browser and my fingers would auto-type the forum's web address.

Point number 2 and 3: I didn't get as much laziness on other loops as on 7. Other than work, I'm also moving into a new place tomorrow and I have a bunch of errands that I needed to do over the weekend. Nope. I didn't do anything at all. Mon through Friday, I just went back home and enjoyed the comfy company of my bed. The bed has become my best friend on 7 loops. I don't feel regret for wasting my time with it. I haven't gotten my stuff ready to be shifted, I didn't cook, I didn't clean the room, I didn't go out. DMSI has not only taken away my ability to approach women but also eliminated the motivation to go out and mingle with girls. I didn't go to my boxing gym to workout in 5 days, which is extremely unlikely of me given the fact that everybody at my gym knows me very well for being a super regular guy. I developed some kind of jealousy and fear about the hottest teacher V at the gym. I deliberately skipped his class last two Fridays so I don't have to see him. He is very nice to me and calls me a good friend. I used to see him that way too. But me getting shadowed by his immense sexiness daunts me hugely. Girls at the gym wet their pants by just thinking about him. Again, he is not the issue. Let's not derail this again. So, I didn't do his class on Friday and I didn't go out that night either. This is summer time that is very short lasting up here. I spent the entire winter hiding in my room and crying like a child that lost his favorite toy. I think DMSI induced tears can make a whole damn size river like Mississippi. If I can't utilize the summer time, winter is going to be shitty anyway. I was killing it around this time last year. I was an approach machine and the positive experiences were reinforcing the belief that I could pull not all the girls but the girls that like me to my place. But DMSI a tremendous fear around it and communicating with women. I can't even look them into the eye nowadays. Getting physical gives me immense anxiety. BTW, on it, I have also developed some kind of entitlement about girls being escalating on me so I don't feel like doing anything at all. I don't know if that's a lame excuse put for not achieving the goal. I'm almost 32 and my family is pushing really hard along with my relatives to get married. If I can't find anybody, they want to make me go through an arrange marriage. I hate that shit! This entire concept angers me a lot. I don't want it.

I wouldn't say DMSI was completely *****. I have experienced a lot of internal growth and in terms of fixing my life, DMSI has worked like the Life Tune Up sub and made me more spiritual by turning into myself and seeking inner peace. But so far, the negatives have outnumbered the positives. I can't be on an experimental sub for years with a dry cock. I need to have something. I wasn't getting sex regularly before DMSI but I was getting some and getting physical with girls wasn't a huge issue. Right now, if I were to go back on pick up, I would have to relearn everything that left me. DMSI made me despise all the lines and routines that would follow. I hate being not myself. But I don't see any other way for the time being. I may run MLS to learn everything faster and even try AM at some point. I have to wait until the end of August to let DMSI fade away. Given my life situation right now, I want to get this dating side fixed and move onto other subs. MLS/AM/USLM were on the list. I seriously can't get a clear picture of what I should be doing right now.

[Darwinn]

Jesus Ben, way to keep the suspense going

[Paul1131]

Jesus Ben, way to keep the suspense going

I heard something about him having to eat a steak and take a nap before he can release it.

[AlphaScorpio]

Ben plz.

[Have at ye]

Apart from napping and eating, Ben's probably waiting for the say-so from Shannon. We don't know yet how many loopity loops thou shalt be looping in the updated version.

[Benjamin]

Whens USLM2 dropping?

Whenever Shannon wakes up lol

It's almost 10:00am in Florida, probably pretty soon then.

Awesome

Shannon still has to calculate the number of loops per day and Ben is the one you're waiting on, not me. I ran the models already once this morning, and the results were not hitting the required confidence mark. So we need to wait a bit and try again later.

Also, according to tradition, Benjamin is now going to have to take a nap. A very long nap after a long and exhausting day.

I hadn't linked it yesterday because Shannon didn't calculate the loops and such yet, and if it's linked even if the page is hidden people who brought USLM can access.

And naturally they would just use it without knowing loops. Because with DMSI 3.2 I linked them then said people would have access, then deleted the links and had the issue with having to refresh them for every order.

So that's why I didn't link them yesterday and was waiting for Shannon to let me know, if he says to do them anyway I can. I'm going to the gym soon, then will be back briefly but then will be out for 3 hours or so.

[Benjamin]

Jesus Ben, way to keep the suspense going