Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[lano1106]

Cuz you are good looking ?

Aside some basic principles, PUA is so useless.

How come I never got laid before learning PUA then?

Sarge as i have said previously your good looking. Its not hard for guy who is an 8 to get laid with a girl who is a 5, 6 7 or 8.

How long have you been studying pua ? 3 to 4 years ? How come you were not getting laid then ?. Then DMSI 3.2 comes along then your getting laid.

DMSi i believe has cleared some crap out out of your head which was stopping you from taking strategic action to get laid. PUA is a gimmick. Do you think a fat balding guy in his 50s who has never groomed able to get laid with a girl half his age. Answer no because the moment that girl layes eyes on him she has already decided in her mind that i dont want to give him the time of day. So he will get blown out.

So no pua material in the world will help him. Unless he is celebrity.

The big breakthrough came when I learned the "push/pull" tactic. I use it on every date and it works to get makeouts and such.

It's a spectrum. The more tactics you use successfully, the more successful you will be with the girl. I know this for a fact. That fat balding guy in his 50's is, I believe, Johnny Soporno who dates pornstars so yes, it can and does work.


In sales it is the same, if you don't use the tactics right, you won't be successful on the same street where someone else who is using the tactics right will clean up. I know this because I've been that guy.


Having said that, there will always be girls/customers who will not buy no matter what, but it's not as simple as "you're good looking". I look better than my brother, for example, and yet he has a steady stream of women. So I don't buy that for a second.

The only reason that Johnny Soporno gets or was getting porn stars is because he worked in the adult film industry. This has nothing to do with PUA. Its like saying Justin Bieber uses PUA tactics to get women into bed.

Imagine a car going up a hill with the hand brake on. That was you before DMSI now DMSI has helped take the handbrake off and now its less of a struggle to implement these so called tactics and start getting laid.

I still standby what I said PUA material has always been a sugar coated gimmick. If it really worked why are customers purchasing DMSI ? WM and SM. Its simple because this PUA stuff does not work for them.

Ok Soporno have access to porn stars but he can still seduce them and he is still old and fat... I failed to see how easy access to sex actresses prove that PUA technics/mindset are worthless...

Also, I am very curious about your journey Thor... You were reporting your DMSI progress on this thread. And not so long ago, I have witnessed the struggle and the various dreams that you have made as you were cranking up the loops...

And suddenly, overnight, you started chain f-closes one after the other...

and I don't recall having read your thoughts about this sudden transformation... What can you share about it?

[Oversoul]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

[SargeMaximus]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

It's not easy man. Specially when women use you for sex. Not fun at all. :/

@lano: not sure what you mean about Soporno. My point is that he uses PUA tactics and gets pornstars. If I had access to pornstars I still wouldn't get them at my current level of PUA skills.

[lano1106]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

It's not easy man. Specially when women use you for sex. Not fun at all. :/

@lano: not sure what you mean about Soporno. My point is that he uses PUA tactics and gets pornstars. If I had access to pornstars I still wouldn't get them at my current level of PUA skills.

I have the exact same position than you. If he does what he teach when he is around sex actresses and seduce them, I would tend to think that he does something right.

Only having easy access to hot women doesn't explain the result.

Or else, a lot of strippers customers would often hook with them.

On the contrary, having frequent exposure to hot women does many good things.

1. You get to practice a lot your flirting skills
2. It makes you used to the presence of these hot women and start seeing them as just any other regular woman.

[thor2014]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

It's not easy man. Specially when women use you for sex. Not fun at all. :/

@lano: not sure what you mean about Soporno. My point is that he uses PUA tactics and gets pornstars. If I had access to pornstars I still wouldn't get them at my current level of PUA skills.

Sarge you seem to see PUA as synonymous to a playstation or x box game. There is no such thing as a "PUA intermediate" or "PUA master". Women are not characters in a computer video game. There is no particular level of PUA that is needed to get a hot women or a hotter women into bed.

I do not believe Johnny uses PUA tactics to get women into bed. Hypergamy plays key role as to whether a woman. I have witnessed on several occasions women who will sleep with a CEO simply because of their status. Johnny I believe uses his minor celebrity status to get porn stars into bed.

Did Peter Stringfellow use PUA tactics to bed porn and celeb stars ?

Does Danny Devito use PUA to bed hot women ?. I mean if he wasn't a celebrity he would have a very hard time bedding women.

All these guys who do bed women using their status are not afraid of flaunting their sexuality.

[lano1106]

BTW, as I am now in the DMSI 1 year anniversary, I did a small retrospect of the DMSI usage.

As I wrote in my journal

I got result very fast. I met and frequented for few months a FWB in less than 2 weeks from starting listening to DMSI.

Very often when I was discussing my lack of results, Shannon did suspect and mention that he thoughts that some fears were stopping me from executing.

Well, I think that I have nailed that fear.

This woman from my first DMSI success, all I wanted was casual encounters and she did deeply fall in love with me and I suspect her that she did even secretly fantasized about getting impregnated by me.

I think that this unexpected outcome did seriously scared the shit out of me and from that point, I did shut down something internally to make sure that this was not ever happening again...

Not only that but 3-4 weeks after our final encounter, she told me to get tested for STD because a week before our last meeting, she did sleep with some other dude that got diagnosed with a gonorea...

All my tests have been negative but that too did make me freak out a little bit....

I'm sharing this in hope that this will help Shannon to improve DMSI in v3.3....

[thor2014]

How come I never got laid before learning PUA then?

Sarge as i have said previously your good looking. Its not hard for guy who is an 8 to get laid with a girl who is a 5, 6 7 or 8.

How long have you been studying pua ? 3 to 4 years ? How come you were not getting laid then ?. Then DMSI 3.2 comes along then your getting laid.

DMSi i believe has cleared some crap out out of your head which was stopping you from taking strategic action to get laid. PUA is a gimmick. Do you think a fat balding guy in his 50s who has never groomed able to get laid with a girl half his age. Answer no because the moment that girl layes eyes on him she has already decided in her mind that i dont want to give him the time of day. So he will get blown out.

So no pua material in the world will help him. Unless he is celebrity.

The big breakthrough came when I learned the "push/pull" tactic. I use it on every date and it works to get makeouts and such.

It's a spectrum. The more tactics you use successfully, the more successful you will be with the girl. I know this for a fact. That fat balding guy in his 50's is, I believe, Johnny Soporno who dates pornstars so yes, it can and does work.


In sales it is the same, if you don't use the tactics right, you won't be successful on the same street where someone else who is using the tactics right will clean up. I know this because I've been that guy.


Having said that, there will always be girls/customers who will not buy no matter what, but it's not as simple as "you're good looking". I look better than my brother, for example, and yet he has a steady stream of women. So I don't buy that for a second.

The only reason that Johnny Soporno gets or was getting porn stars is because he worked in the adult film industry. This has nothing to do with PUA. Its like saying Justin Bieber uses PUA tactics to get women into bed.

Imagine a car going up a hill with the hand brake on. That was you before DMSI now DMSI has helped take the handbrake off and now its less of a struggle to implement these so called tactics and start getting laid.

I still standby what I said PUA material has always been a sugar coated gimmick. If it really worked why are customers purchasing DMSI ? WM and SM. Its simple because this PUA stuff does not work for them.

Ok Soporno have access to porn stars but he can still seduce them and he is still old and fat... I failed to see how easy access to sex actresses prove that PUA technics/mindset are worthless...

Also, I am very curious about your journey Thor... You were reporting your DMSI progress on this thread. And not so long ago, I have witnessed the struggle and the various dreams that you have made as you were cranking up the loops...

And suddenly, overnight, you started chain f-closes one after the other...

and I don't recall having read your thoughts about this sudden transformation... What can you share about it?

I have to admit it wasn't an overnight change. It took around 5 to 6 weeks of intense listening to DMSI on 7 loops a day. Its not like women are throwing themselves at me everytime I go out but I will get girls who will make it obvious they fancy me. Or if I approach a girl I make it known without words I want to bed her.

Initial changes were internal as in dreams like you said. Then these appear to manifest into buying new clothes, using facial creams, surrounding myself with supportive group of close friends, regular gym sessions.

My fears and frustrations seem to dissolve overtime and as this happened I began noticing womens attitudes changing towards me.

More recently I have began reading about how best to improve my sex life and how to appreciate a womans body.

[lano1106]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

It's not easy man. Specially when women use you for sex. Not fun at all. :/

@lano: not sure what you mean about Soporno. My point is that he uses PUA tactics and gets pornstars. If I had access to pornstars I still wouldn't get them at my current level of PUA skills.

Sarge you seem to see PUA as synonymous to a playstation or x box game. There is no such thing as a "PUA intermediate" or "PUA master". Women are not characters in a computer video game. There is no particular level of PUA that is needed to get a hot women or a hotter women into bed.

I do not believe Johnny uses PUA tactics to get women into bed. Hypergamy plays key role as to whether a woman. I have witnessed on several occasions women who will sleep with a CEO simply because of their status. Johnny I believe uses his minor celebrity status to get porn stars into bed.

Did Peter Stringfellow use PUA tactics to bed porn and celeb stars ?

Does Danny Devito use PUA to bed hot women ?. I mean if he wasn't a celebrity he would have a very hard time bedding women.

All these guys who do bed women using their status are not afraid of flaunting their sexuality.

My problem with this explanation is that it puts success as depending on some exterior factor. ie: fame.

I belief that you have the power to change and become who you want to be.

If Soporno is able to do it, then all of us can.

Celebrity is a choice. People will react to you based on your own self-image and your behavior and you have control on those.

There is this excellent book from Robert Green and 50th cents.
One day, 50th cents decided that he would become a big-shot and he started to behave accordingly and then become famous.

It was not the other way around. ie: Became famous then changed his behavior...

[SargeMaximus]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

It's not easy man. Specially when women use you for sex. Not fun at all. :/

@lano: not sure what you mean about Soporno. My point is that he uses PUA tactics and gets pornstars. If I had access to pornstars I still wouldn't get them at my current level of PUA skills.

I have the exact same position than you. If he does what he teach when he is around sex actresses and seduce them, I would tend to think that he does something right.

Only having easy access to hot women doesn't explain the result.

Or else, a lot of strippers customers would often hook with them.

On the contrary, having frequent exposure to hot women does many good things.

1. You get to practice a lot your flirting skills
2. It makes you used to the presence of these hot women and start seeing them as just any other regular woman.

Yes, precisely.

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

It's not easy man. Specially when women use you for sex. Not fun at all. :/

@lano: not sure what you mean about Soporno. My point is that he uses PUA tactics and gets pornstars. If I had access to pornstars I still wouldn't get them at my current level of PUA skills.

Sarge you seem to see PUA as synonymous to a playstation or x box game. There is no such thing as a "PUA intermediate" or "PUA master". Women are not characters in a computer video game. There is no particular level of PUA that is needed to get a hot women or a hotter women into bed.

Keep in mind I already know this since the woman I slept with FIRST while on DMSI was an 8.5 (no P in V but I did get her naked and give her 3 O's and squirting so I count that as a sexual encounter). No skills required. In fact, if I had known more about the "push/pull" tactic back then, I probably would have banged her proper.

I do not believe Johnny uses PUA tactics to get women into bed. Hypergamy plays key role as to whether a woman. I have witnessed on several occasions women who will sleep with a CEO simply because of their status. Johnny I believe uses his minor celebrity status to get porn stars into bed.

I thought he was a salesman.

Did Peter Stringfellow use PUA tactics to bed porn and celeb stars ?

Did Harvy Weinstein? He probably should have.

Does Danny Devito use PUA to bed hot women ?. I mean if he wasn't a celebrity he would have a very hard time bedding women.

All these guys who do bed women using their status are not afraid of flaunting their sexuality.

Probably true. But for regular guys we have to do something more since we don't have that level of status.

It's like in sales thor. I've been doing it for 4 years and can tell you without a doubt that there are certain things you HAVE to do or you'll do poorly in sales. And it doesn't matter what company or product you're selling, if you use the tactics, your sales WILL go up (assuming your company or product sells in the first place). How can you explain that? By your theory that should not be possible because "tactics don't work" well they do in sales, and sales is people, and women are people too. PUA is just sales for sex.

[kalmah0804]

@kalmah0804 I think were past the testing of 3.2 that shannon needed for 3.3. Why dont you return to the one that worked for you? It seems logical to me atleast that people should be using the one that works for them and then maybe try out new released for a bit to see if its better?

and ahem... get a gun.

Lmao, my roommates and I have been having that discussion (regarding the gun)... never thought I'd ever be in a situation like this.

Also, Shannon made it impossible to go back to older versions, and I don't have access to the drive I had initially saved 3.01 on, so its pretty much entirely unavailable to me. I'd rather run SM or WM, both of which I've had stronger, better, and quicker results with, both in terms of internal growth and external manifestations--but I'd obviously love for DMSI to completely heal and grow me--it just hasn't happened for me yet in all of the latest versions. In fact, it generally tends to completely break me down, leave me with a horrible amount of mental stress/psychic damage, and wreak havoc across the entire spectrum of my life.

IIRC, Shannon advised you to take a prolonged break from all subliminal programming of any kind whatsoever, to let your mind calm down and settle - this could possibly help with all the chaos. Did you take that break?

Yes, I did! I began to feel much, much better in those several months, and even developed something close to my first real relationship. I had a number of really high-potential, high-profile job offers come my way, and (I thought) killed it in all of my interviews, only for things to backfire and my life to go haywire once again almost as soon as I started running DMSI 3.2. I'm not entirely convinced that these 'counter manifestations' are actually manifestations--they could just all be a string of coincidences seeing as I've grown and matured a lot in the past 2 years, am probably more physically attractive than I may have ever been before in my life, and I also live in a city where mental illness is abnormally high--and I also live in a low-income, moderately high-crime neighborhood and have been frequenting bars and other establishments with friends that some people may describe as "seedy" or "sketchy". It makes sense regardless of DMSI in the picture that a lot of the things that have happened to me have gone down, it's just crazy that I've lived my whole life and have never had so many things like this happen to me (particularly being physically attacked or stalked by crazy people, and especially the two incidents of sexual assault/harrassment I experienced), but as soon as I started listening to the new DMSI, not only did I immediately lose all of my relaxed sense of self and purpose, but I also attracted a lot of negative events and encounters with other people in a very short amount of time. I just thought I'd ask Shannon or anyone on here who may know if counter-manifestations could be a thing that occurs when the subconscious is resisting the script so heavily that it actually self-sabotages itself by manifesting only negative or horrifying things instead of the things it's actually supposed to manifest.

[Kol]

Shannon,

How does dark triad tendencies relate to DMSI? is it the h/c ? is it bringing the dormant out? a result of trauma ( from my upbring, dad/mom ( probably ) people and what not?

Im asking, because my behaviour is starting to become very much devoid of empathy and care, and is becoming an sort of powertrip. just right now, while driving, I had my mind bringing up the wanting to hurt people and stuff, like an itch, giving it attention is magnifying it. Im not giving in, I notice it but it is strong. like an reliving of trauma, but Im getting since the last couple of days very much narcissistic. and I sem to like it. like seeing through the dynamics of the social structures, how people respond, coming to terms of the amount of manipulation fuelled/based communication.

Right now, im not giving into these thoughts, but could. is it an direct response to the h/c as Im running A? or is it bringing my personality up front? Im actually using already charisma, witt, charm, maniuplation out of amusement almost, and it is very much coming across as natural to me, like, smooth.

[Kol]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

I can figure they saw you like a walking sex g*d or something like that. Or a sybian..or a dildo. Atleast something they want to bang and you crept in their minds ;D

Hearing you about being called "thing" tho.

[SargeMaximus]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

It's not easy man. Specially when women use you for sex. Not fun at all. :/

@lano: not sure what you mean about Soporno. My point is that he uses PUA tactics and gets pornstars. If I had access to pornstars I still wouldn't get them at my current level of PUA skills.

Sarge you seem to see PUA as synonymous to a playstation or x box game. There is no such thing as a "PUA intermediate" or "PUA master". Women are not characters in a computer video game. There is no particular level of PUA that is needed to get a hot women or a hotter women into bed.

I do not believe Johnny uses PUA tactics to get women into bed. Hypergamy plays key role as to whether a woman. I have witnessed on several occasions women who will sleep with a CEO simply because of their status. Johnny I believe uses his minor celebrity status to get porn stars into bed.

Did Peter Stringfellow use PUA tactics to bed porn and celeb stars ?

Does Danny Devito use PUA to bed hot women ?. I mean if he wasn't a celebrity he would have a very hard time bedding women.

All these guys who do bed women using their status are not afraid of flaunting their sexuality.

My problem with this explanation is that it puts success as depending on some exterior factor. ie: fame.

I belief that you have the power to change and become who you want to be.

If Soporno is able to do it, then all of us can.

Celebrity is a choice. People will react to you based on your own self-image and your behavior and you have control on those.

There is this excellent book from Robert Green and 50th cents.
One day, 50th cents decided that he would become a big-shot and he started to behave accordingly and then become famous.

It was not the other way around. ie: Became famous then changed his behavior...

Just saw this, very true. We decide to shape the world around us. Like Jordan Belfort says "You make the world YOUR way".

Any time you're relying on outside things for your success you will see less results. This happens to me in sales all the time. I decide to ask people "Are you interested?" in vibe, and of course, they won't be. But if you're vibe says "you're going to be interested" people will conform just because your reality is so strong.


The stronger reality wins" is definitely a thing, and I believe DMSI is working on this to some degree. We just need to see it follow-through. For example, with the 8.5 I was with, she decided she didn't want to see me anymore, thus her reality was stronger. If mine was, no matter how I acted it would not have mattered.

When a woman is under a man's influence, she will ignore all shortcomings to be with him. Just look at Peter Dinklages wife. They have kids together and she's not bad looking (7.5-8/10 for me, depending on makeup) yet he's a midget. Looks play NO role. And he got famous because he DESCIDED he wanted to be and made the decision.



Bottom line: Stop being a victim. PUA teaches us that there is something WE can do to change our results. I agree.

[dissonance]

Thor I’m curious and would love your opinion on why I have only gotten laid by using pua...

Cuz you are good looking ?

Aside some basic principles, PUA is so useless.

How come I never got laid before learning PUA then?

Sarge as i have said previously your good looking. Its not hard for guy who is an 8 to get laid with a girl who is a 5, 6 7 or 8.

How long have you been studying pua ? 3 to 4 years ? How come you were not getting laid then ?. Then DMSI 3.2 comes along then your getting laid.

DMSi i believe has cleared some crap out out of your head which was stopping you from taking strategic action to get laid. PUA is a gimmick. Do you think a fat balding guy in his 50s who has never groomed able to get laid with a girl half his age. Answer no because the moment that girl layes eyes on him she has already decided in her mind that i dont want to give him the time of day. So he will get blown out.

So no pua material in the world will help him. Unless he is celebrity.

The big breakthrough came when I learned the "push/pull" tactic. I use it on every date and it works to get makeouts and such.

It's a spectrum. The more tactics you use successfully, the more successful you will be with the girl. I know this for a fact. That fat balding guy in his 50's is, I believe, Johnny Soporno who dates pornstars so yes, it can and does work.


In sales it is the same, if you don't use the tactics right, you won't be successful on the same street where someone else who is using the tactics right will clean up. I know this because I've been that guy.


Having said that, there will always be girls/customers who will not buy no matter what, but it's not as simple as "you're good looking". I look better than my brother, for example, and yet he has a steady stream of women. So I don't buy that for a second.

I feel it's not because of the tactic itself. Its more about what character traits the tactics subcommunicate about yourself when you use them. DMSI allowed you to actually believe these character traits more and more about yourself, thus you did and said certain things that displayed these character traits more and more. In this case it was the Push/Pull "method" (which actually isn't invented by PUAs; its an actual social interaction thing people do in general, PUAs just slapped a name on it)

In my situation, i saw this more and more from DMSI. When I hang out with girls now on dates or whatever, I'm not afraid to compliment them, touch their hair, say their gorgeous, because I'm not afraid or guilty or feel creepy or un-entitled to my sexuality and sexual attraction and desire for them. Before DMSI, I didn't feel entitled/worthy or whatever. But now, I do (more at least), so I do make such compliments when I want, and that subcommunicates the trait of self-esteem/worthiness/entitlement to my sexual desires, etc or whatever.

At the basis, giving compliments could also be labelled as a "tactic", but it's actually just a basic form of human interaction and rapport to create connection, just like lots of PUA "tactics". But... on the other hand so many PUA "tactics" that the "gurus" create are so specific and contrived because it was something they did or said themselves for them specifically that fit their personality/persona. In this case, I feel that PUA is useless because it's not in the form of a human interaction and rapport that anyone can use, it's a specific "line" or "action" that's personally tailored to its creator.

Anyways I agree with you that some PUA "methods" and teachings are useful, but others are really not. I discovered this over the past few years. I realized sooo much is useless shit that is created specifically to fit a certain person or persona, or crowd. Over time though, I got better at determining which is useful and applicable to making me a more attractive version of ME and what isn't. I was/am a proponent of Bruce Lee's quote... “Research your own experience. Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own.” However, DMSI is what allowed you to apply and use those teachings and methods or whatever better and better and more genuinely/effectively than before.