Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Shannon]

I shall try harder in the future to resist my urge to help, Sarge. It never works.

I'm amazed you lasted this long. I gave up ages ago because every time it ends up just how it did.

This isn’t about “help”.

I’ve gotten some real results from using pua and just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t make the results any less real.

I find it interesting that if we don’t get results you say we need to take responsibility, but if we actually do take responsibility and use something like pua to get results, suddenly it’s “oh it could be anything”. Where I know for a fact if I hadn’t had mentioned pua, it would all be DMSI praise.

I had been trying to hold my tongue, but after this, I'm too tired of your shit to hold my tongue anymore. You make me think you are a moron sometimes.

It was about help. I was trying to point out to you a logical fallacy you were committing YET AGAIN, which is the belief that correlation equals causation. I wasn't disagreeing that you might have gotten those results from PUA. I was simply pointing out that X following Y does not mean that X was caused by Y, because you love to simplify things to black or white, when the world is not black and white. And when you do this, which is constantly, you inevitably come to some seriously fucked up and wrong conclusions.

Here's a little tidbit for you to ponder. DMSI includes the Optimus Engine, which is a polymorphic script designed to get your subconscious to use what it knows and understands to achieve the goal. So it is, in fact, entirely possible (and probable, actually, now that I think about it) that all of your "success with PUA" came from the OE in DMSI being executed. You understand PUA, so that's the vector that would have been used. Just like DathXedonias traveled to another country to find a culture that would allow him to execute DMSI.

Now whether or not that was the case with you, I can't know for sure, but I certainly could still claim credit for your "successes" based on that if I wanted to. If it was all about DMSI praise, you would have seen me do that already. But I haven't. So much for your little theory.

You have such poor logic skills and comprehension of what logic actually is that it is a wonder that even DMSI has been able to do anything at all with you.

I suggest you stop here and now. Instead of being arrogant and snarky, you might want to be appreciative instead. Regardless of what got you results, I have made how many versions of this damned program in a row with only getting paid once per person for it? And because I made you guys a promise. Who else would have done that? Nobody. Anyone else would have just scrapped the project and moved on, regardless of what you guys thought or wanted, promise or not. So whether or not you got results, you should still be appreciating, because this is more than a year of my blood sweat and tears into this program trying to help guys like you.

I am done trying to help you, Sarge. You're not even capable of comprehending when I am trying to help you, never mind appreciate shit. And if you keep going with being snarky and arrogant, I'm going to decide I have finally had enough. If you want to say PUA did it, then stop using DMSI and go do your PUA thing. I don't care what did it for you at this point. I am just tired of your snarky attitude.

Seriously, I have no idea what the hell you're even using DMSI for anymore. Especially if you think PUA is what's doing it for you. Go play with your damned PUA and see what it gets you when DMSI has worn off.

[Shannon]

Shannon,

Okay, so I have been using DMSI 3.2b for a month and 3.2a for two months, one loop a day, as prescribed. I have not consumed caffeine or alcohol whatsover during that period and lived a healthy lifestyle. No results, no affects, nada. I had been exposed to people online, offline daytime, at the gym at parties you name it, in Europe, South America and the US. I have even visited a fetish party where people have no inhibitions and everything can happen. Hardly ever an approach and if, it was from unwanted girls that aren't matching my standards. Like before, I had to do all the initial work, despite my looks. I am frustrated about this and have a hard time to believe it's got to do with (unconscius) resistance, since I am doing conscious affirmation work and meditation on top of DMSI on a daily basis since many months.

Please advise...

Shannon,

Dunno if you saw this post but I am really still interested in your take on that...

Thanks for taking your time!

I have a hard time believing you think it could be anything but subconscious resistance. After all, doing all that you are doing, the only possible reason for a lack of results is...

refusal to execute the script.

Which is almost certainly being done at the subconscious level, given what you say you are doing consciously to achieve your goals.

Shannon,

If your assumption was true, what would be way to go now? Continue with ssversl loops a day like other members have slreadx suggested?

I am not making an assumption, I am basing my idea on what I know.

What I suggest you do is choose between doing something else, or doing the higher number of loops per day that seems to be making progress for some of the more challenging cases.

[josh84]

Hi Shannon just a quick question you mentioned try 7 loops then add 1 loop each week to try. If i am doing track b should i do 7 loops for all 14 days or add an extra loop after 7 days?

Thanks.

[kornjacinvrac]

I have a question for earbuds, how do you guys use earbuds while you listen to 5 loops? It tends to fall of and i wake up in the night realizing DMSI is still playing but earbuds are not in my ears, i hate this. I can't listen to on speakers because my girls is pregnant and i can't effect her (also i believe baby can hear it) so my only option is earbuds? Any suggestions or idea would be apriciated.

Your options are going to boil down to:

1. Listen when you are not around your girl.
   
2. Strap your arms down at night.
   
3. Expose your girl and kid.
   
4. Try wearing a sweatband over your ears to keep the earphones in place.
   
5. More of what you have now.
   

Option 1 is your best realistic alternative. It may of course not be possible.
Option 2 is not very likely to be reasonable, and would probably keep you awake at night.
Option 3 is a serious NO.
Option 4 is worth a shot, but won't stop you from removing them at night if you're doing it intentionally on a subconscious level.
Option 5 is do nothing different, and nothing will change.

BTW, congrats on the baby!

Thanks man
Option 4 is good, i used two sweatbands. One over the neck and other around the head. I did 5 loops , it didn't fall off, and i don't feel exausted at all.

[thor2014]

I am continue to do 7 loops and and slowly getting a better handle of DMSI.

A girl I met whilst on DMSI I decided not to pursue her any further as she doesn't have the true feminine qualities I really appreciate in a woman. Initially I thought she would make good girlfriend material but after getting to know her better I decided not to go any further.

I have decided to move to a country in eastern europe where girls with the feminine qualities I want will be in abundant supply. Plans are already underway another reason is to create some more distance between my family as they spread their shadow on me now and again and seem to think they can still control my life,

The beauty of subliminals like DMSI are that they will get you thinking about about how best to make things happen rather then procrastinate which I have been doing in the last year or so.

My 25 cents is if for any reason you feel that the subliminal is not working for you. Take a few steps back and do some critical thinking. The reasons that may prevent execution are endless for example

Is there someone in your life trying to control what you want to do ?
Am I trapped and isolated ? ask yourself why do you feel that way ?
Am I scared of leaving my girlfriend\wife because I am afraid of being alone ?
Am I afraid of running out of conversation when talking to girls ?
Am I overweight so feel that no hot girl will even want to talk to me ?
Did I have a traumatic experience as a child that prevents me from trusting and connecting with people ?
Does my religion tellme I should only have sex after I am married ?

If you ask yourself why then come up with a solution and get over the challenge. DMSI has a much higher chance of fully executing.

[Have at ye]

I am continue to do 7 loops and and slowly getting a better handle of DMSI.

A girl I met whilst on DMSI I decided not to pursue her any further as she doesn't have the true feminine qualities I really appreciate in a woman. Initially I thought she would make good girlfriend material but after getting to know her better I decided not to go any further.

I have decided to move to a country in eastern europe where girls with the feminine qualities I want will be in abundant supply. Plans are already underway another reason is to create some more distance between my family as they spread their shadow on me now and again and seem to think they can still control my life,

The beauty of subliminals like DMSI are that they will get you thinking about about how best to make things happen rather then procrastinate which I have been doing in the last year or so.

My 25 cents is if for any reason you feel that the subliminal is not working for you. Take a few steps back and do some critical thinking. The reasons that may prevent execution are endless for example

Is there someone in your life trying to control what you want to do ?
Am I trapped and isolated ? ask yourself why do you feel that way ?
Am I scared of leaving my girlfriend\wife because I am afraid of being alone ?
Am I afraid of running out of conversation when talking to girls ?
Am I overweight so feel that no hot girl will even want to talk to me ?
Did I have a traumatic experience as a child that prevents me from trusting and connecting with people ?
Does my religion tellme I should only have sex after I am married ?

If you ask yourself why then come up with a solution and get over the challenge. DMSI has a much higher chance of fully executing.

Good points, good ideas.

Although you may be making assumptions about Eastern European women (I've been noticing this trend all over the Internets, and with foreigners/tourists I meet in general) and their qualities that may not be actually based in fact. I'm from about as Central European country as you can get (so we get all kinds - Western, Eastern, Southern; and a serious influx of female Eastern European immigrants recently due to socio-political drama, which is understandable) and I wouldn't say they are all that different, feminine qualities-wise, from the more Western-styled girls hereabouts.

They're women, there's all kinds.

Then again, good luck in your endeavors. If it's something you want to do, do it.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon just a quick question you mentioned try 7 loops then add 1 loop each week to try. If i am doing track b should i do 7 loops for all 14 days or add an extra loop after 7 days?

Thanks.

Allow me to clarify.

+1 loop per week from 1 loop, until you reach 7, or just jump to 7. I am pretty sure at this point that just jumping to 7 will be most effective for the majority.

Do 7 for a while before trying to add loops. I suggest a month.

[SargeMaximus]

I shall try harder in the future to resist my urge to help, Sarge. It never works.

I'm amazed you lasted this long. I gave up ages ago because every time it ends up just how it did.

This isn’t about “help”.

I’ve gotten some real results from using pua and just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t make the results any less real.

I find it interesting that if we don’t get results you say we need to take responsibility, but if we actually do take responsibility and use something like pua to get results, suddenly it’s “oh it could be anything”. Where I know for a fact if I hadn’t had mentioned pua, it would all be DMSI praise.

I had been trying to hold my tongue, but after this, I'm too tired of your shit to hold my tongue anymore. You make me think you are a moron sometimes.

It was about help. I was trying to point out to you a logical fallacy you were committing YET AGAIN, which is the belief that correlation equals causation. I wasn't disagreeing that you might have gotten those results from PUA. I was simply pointing out that X following Y does not mean that X was caused by Y, because you love to simplify things to black or white, when the world is not black and white. And when you do this, which is constantly, you inevitably come to some seriously ***** up and wrong conclusions.

That may be true. But consider my perspective: If I can't/don't know what is contributing to my success, how can I get better?


I agree that being wrong about what is contributing to my success is just as bad, but then what is there left to do?

Here's a little tidbit for you to ponder. DMSI includes the Optimus Engine, which is a polymorphic script designed to get your subconscious to use what it knows and understands to achieve the goal. So it is, in fact, entirely possible (and probable, actually, now that I think about it) that all of your "success with PUA" came from the OE in DMSI being executed. You understand PUA, so that's the vector that would have been used. Just like DathXedonias traveled to another country to find a culture that would allow him to execute DMSI.

Now whether or not that was the case with you, I can't know for sure, but I certainly could still claim credit for your "successes" based on that if I wanted to. If it was all about DMSI praise, you would have seen me do that already. But I haven't. So much for your little theory.

Yes, I've thought about that. If that is what DMSI is doing then that's great. It's one of the reasons I still run it. I know it's doing something, but I don't know what.

You have such poor logic skills and comprehension of what logic actually is that it is a wonder that even DMSI has been able to do anything at all with you.

I can't help that.

I suggest you stop here and now. Instead of being arrogant and snarky, you might want to be appreciative instead. Regardless of what got you results, I have made how many versions of this damned program in a row with only getting paid once per person for it? And because I made you guys a promise. Who else would have done that? Nobody. Anyone else would have just scrapped the project and moved on, regardless of what you guys thought or wanted, promise or not. So whether or not you got results, you should still be appreciating, because this is more than a year of my blood sweat and tears into this program trying to help guys like you.

I do appreciate what you've done. I've praised you and DMSI more times as the programs have gotten better and I do know it must be exhausting, frustrating, and annoying to keep doing this thing. I know I, personally, feel the same way when I'm doing pick up and I think I *finally* have the answer to a problem, test it in field, and then the women throw another curve ball at me. It feels like they don't WANT me and that hurts. I imagine it must be the same for you. Like you feel we don't want to actually succeed. But that's not true. I do want to succeed and I'm grateful for the experiences DMSI has given me thusfar (like that 8.5. Seriously, showed me what is possible as she was 100% manifested and she seduced me but I guess I f*cked it up somehow).


So yeah, don't get me wrong.


My outburst was definitely fueled by losing my FWB and not having any women in the pipeline. I didn't mean to be ungrateful, but some truths had to be said, especially with all the PUA bashing going around.

If someone were to bash DMSI to my face, I'd probably res[pond the same way because it has helped. In fact, I've been in contact with a member on another forum who used to be here but was banned.

I don't know why he was banned. But he was talking about DMSI and how it wasn't good.

I told him about my experiences and he's back using it again BECAUSE OF ME!

I don't hate DMSI, or you Shannon, but I have a strong conviction to the truth and can't abide when people distort what I see as correct for what I see as their own agenda.

That means I'm not the most popular guy I get that, but to me it's about progress not popularity (though I would like to be popular too So, if I knew a way to be more tactful I'd do it).

Anyhow, sorry if there were hard feelings but I have to speak my truth. That will never change. All I can do is try to learn how to be more tactful and speak the truth without hurting people.

I am done trying to help you, Sarge. You're not even capable of comprehending when I am trying to help you, never mind appreciate shit. And if you keep going with being snarky and arrogant, I'm going to decide I have finally had enough. If you want to say PUA did it, then stop using DMSI and go do your PUA thing. I don't care what did it for you at this point. I am just tired of your snarky attitude.

Seriously, I have no idea what the hell you're even using DMSI for anymore. Especially if you think PUA is what's doing it for you. Go play with your damned PUA and see what it gets you when DMSI has worn off.

It's like I said, I know DMSI is doing something, that's why I keep using it.

Sorry for my snarkiness. I was upset.

[JCasterlin]

@Shannon does E2 destroy or eliminate deep seated fear ? I was reading Geodude's testimony for OF 4
1.1 4g & your post in the thread seemed to state so but I wanted to get clarification

If you use E2 for long enough, and you are executing it, it can and eventually will remove fear. It is designed to work at your pace, though, so that can take a while.

Executing it?

Executing the script. Doing the instructions.

Makes sense. Right now I'm very much struggling with not feeling like running E2 or that I need it more than any other sub. I know a lot if not all of what I'm feeling is ego based & I'm not sure how to proceed

[josh84]

Hi Shannon, i am listening to 7 loops of 3.2b masked trickling stream, i have a set playlist of wmp of 7 loops so i dont listen to any more loops than that number each night. One thing i notice when listening and i assume its not bad speakers but the subliminal messages behind the trickling stream is listening in bed when everything else is quiet you can hear the trickling stream but also can hear what sounds like crackling noise. I have checked the speakers on other audio sounds and it comes through clear so its not the speakers so im assuming its the messages behind the trickling stream that is making those noises?

Just wanted to check if thats normal with the masked version.

Might try ocean surf tonight to see if it can also be heard.

Thanks.

[kalmah0804]

Hey Shannon--I've been taking a bit of a break from the forums, so I apologize if this question has already been answered, but I figured it's worth a shot asking, because I think at least someone needs to report this type of stuff:

I'm wondering if it's possible to resist or self-sabotage a script so much that you in fact execute and manifest the polar opposite of what you're trying to attract. When I was on DMSI3.01A, I noticed, albeit slowly, beautiful women manifesting themselves for me, and grew to a place of extreme happiness. Friends and coworkers were all treating me a lot more nicely, and also with a lot more respect. When I began DMSI 3.1A, I quickly experienced high-threat regular (generally daily) anxiety and panic attacks... the dream job and opportunity I had manifested as part of my growth on DMSI 3.01A turned into an absolute nightmare--a quintissential hollywood horror story--my best friend, and the only person I've felt really close with since my Dad died, had to move out of the city I was living in because he suffered his own personal tragedy (which I admittedly don't think had anything to do with DMSI), and I eventually suffered a series of mental breakdowns and anxiety attacks which led me to impulsively quit my job and move across the country back home on a total whim, since which I have never fully recovered.

I recently moved back to Southern California to pursue my dreams when DMSI 3.2 was released. I started with the B side and immediately noticed all of my old anxieties, insecurities, fears and paranoid emotions all returning at once. Since running DMSI 3.2 A on and off now for the past several months, I have been sexually assaulted by an old, disgusting gay man, sexually violated/harrassed by a disgusting elderly african american woman who was disorderly and drunk, and I have been physically attacked by an enraged taxi driver who grew upset with my friend/co-rider and eventually turned all of his physical aggression on me (For no apparent reason at all), got out of his cab, chased me onto my property and began to push me down and punch me before I was dragged away and into my home by my friends. I have seen about 3 sure-thing guaranteed job offers for me come onto the table, only to somehow get pulled away from me for no clear-cut reason ever identified. The only commonality in all of these instances is that I had been actively listening to DMSI 3.2, either A side or B side, the current day or the evening/day beforehand.

Just yesterday, after re-starting DMSI 3.2-A for about 4 days, our neighbor's schizophrenic bipolar son apparently returned into their custody. He's 450lbs, completely delusional and insane, and is obsessed with coming to our house and asking if I'm around. He's tried to gain entry into our house several times, and the family is not taking any responsibiltiy for his behavior. He's threatened my roommate because he thought he was smiling (my roommates and I are all very scared of this person and were not smiling). I legitimately fear for my safety, and the only logical connection I can make between all of the terrifying events I have lived through in the past 6 months is that I have always been running DMSI during these times.

I understand that this is a seriously loaded question, but I want to make clear that I realize that I'm trying this sub at my own risk, and that if my subconscious is indeed self-sabotaging or resisting by manifesting only insanity, danger, and violence into my life when all I want more than anything right now is financial, professional, mental and emotional security, I can stop the sub at any time and have always noticed these manifestations resolve themselves/go away after a day or two.

I don't know if what I'm suggesting is even possible--but since you've been getting (mostly) positive feedback, or at least strong growth and results, from almost everyone on this forum, I wanted to see if anyone else had experienced strong symptoms of manifesting things/people you are subconsciously/consciously afraid of in the early stages of running DMSI3.2, or if such a thing (the counter-manifestations of the script) is even theoretically possible.

[Leo1990]

@kalmah0804 I think were past the testing of 3.2 that shannon needed for 3.3. Why dont you return to the one that worked for you? It seems logical to me atleast that people should be using the one that works for them and then maybe try out new released for a bit to see if its better?

and ahem... get a gun.

[kalmah0804]

@kalmah0804 I think were past the testing of 3.2 that shannon needed for 3.3. Why dont you return to the one that worked for you? It seems logical to me atleast that people should be using the one that works for them and then maybe try out new released for a bit to see if its better?

and ahem... get a gun.

Lmao, my roommates and I have been having that discussion (regarding the gun)... never thought I'd ever be in a situation like this.

Also, Shannon made it impossible to go back to older versions, and I don't have access to the drive I had initially saved 3.01 on, so its pretty much entirely unavailable to me. I'd rather run SM or WM, both of which I've had stronger, better, and quicker results with, both in terms of internal growth and external manifestations--but I'd obviously love for DMSI to completely heal and grow me--it just hasn't happened for me yet in all of the latest versions. In fact, it generally tends to completely break me down, leave me with a horrible amount of mental stress/psychic damage, and wreak havoc across the entire spectrum of my life.

[Have at ye]

@kalmah0804 I think were past the testing of 3.2 that shannon needed for 3.3. Why dont you return to the one that worked for you? It seems logical to me atleast that people should be using the one that works for them and then maybe try out new released for a bit to see if its better?

and ahem... get a gun.

Lmao, my roommates and I have been having that discussion (regarding the gun)... never thought I'd ever be in a situation like this.

Also, Shannon made it impossible to go back to older versions, and I don't have access to the drive I had initially saved 3.01 on, so its pretty much entirely unavailable to me. I'd rather run SM or WM, both of which I've had stronger, better, and quicker results with, both in terms of internal growth and external manifestations--but I'd obviously love for DMSI to completely heal and grow me--it just hasn't happened for me yet in all of the latest versions. In fact, it generally tends to completely break me down, leave me with a horrible amount of mental stress/psychic damage, and wreak havoc across the entire spectrum of my life.

IIRC, Shannon advised you to take a prolonged break from all subliminal programming of any kind whatsoever, to let your mind calm down and settle - this could possibly help with all the chaos. Did you take that break?