Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[DarkPlouf]

Also, would DMSI help me tap into my language skill? I'm asking because I speak English as a second language coupled with the fact that I'm a stutterer. Sometimes, it's hard for me to relate to not only girls but with people too on a deeper level as I don't know what to talk about or my mind shuts me down entirely.

Hey fellow stutterer.
When I ran DMSI 3.1A my stuttering decreased in the beginning as far as I recall. Well it was mild and could have been just one of the usual "ups and downs" that stutterers all know.
However, I ran DMSI 3.1A on and off for 105 days and my stuttering worsened every times I went on the program. I explained it by the fact that DMSI was making me tired, physically but mentally too.
I don't know how your stuttering is but mine is very closely linked to my mental energy. Morning when I just wake up I stutter like hell. When I'm tired too impossible to say a single sentence.
So as a result of DMSI heaviness on the brain and mind, my suttering was worsening.
Is this happening to you too ?

I hope we overcome that stupid barrier one day. Well, my stuttering significantly decreased after all these stuff I've tried over the years, and now I can talk normally when I man EXTREMELY FOCUSED, but It's tiring as hell and I don't ever bother when I'm casually chatting.
I think stuttering is also linked to hormones, as during my nofap journey I've seen how it significantly increased or decreased.
What I think helps a lot is meditation. After 20+ days of daily meditation I'm getting my speech more fluent. Maybe because meditation increases focus. And brain plasticity.

Honestly I doubt DMSI will resolve that issue entirely. Well it can as stuttering is 100% in the way of being attractive, but unless a miracle happen I'd not have much faith in this possibility.
The way I see that problem is that we have to break it down in steps and solve each of them one at a time. As I said my stuttering is linked to my mental energy. No miracle product would solve it if my brain is shut down. It's also linked to my stress and axiety level but also fear.
the good new is that it's probably not physical as I speak totally fine when alone, and sing without any issue.

[Shannon]

What you going to do if dmsi 3.4 final doesn't work for people?

Most likely, those for whom it does not achieve the design goal for, who want it, will get a refund in the form of a gift certificate.

I'm not expecting to need to issue a lot of those.

What are the chances that DSMI will not achieve design by for majority of users by 3.4 and/ or in 6G?

I am told that it will achieve the design goal for the vast majority of users in its final version. I was even given a specific percentage. How accurate that is, I don't know yet. We will have to wait and see. I personally do not believe that there will be very many left at the end who have failed to achieve thew design goal of the program, if they use it correctly. A small handful, at most.

By final version, do you mean 3.4 or 4.0 and beyond?

I don't know what the final version will be yet.

Also, would DMSI help me tap into my language skill? I'm asking because I speak English as a second language coupled with the fact that I'm a stutterer. Sometimes, it's hard for me to relate to not only girls but with people too on a deeper level as I don't know what to talk about or my mind shuts me down entirely.

Stuttering is, as far as I know, always based in a specific subconscious fear based reaction that inhibits communication and frequently becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, generating feelings of fear (judgement by others in response to stuttering) that then triggers it and/or makes it even worse.

DMSI-A should help with it, unless it is being resisted.

If DMSI helps us overcome all the issues that are preventing us from being sexually irresistible, how much time will it take to destroy them even for the most resisting guys like me and Catman?

First, I am not sure I would classify "you and Catman" as being "the most resistant".

Second, I cannot know how long it will take yet, we still have multiple versions left to create. Ultimately it will depend on how it is used, as well. If you refuse to use it according to how you were instructed to do so (as Catman did when I took the time to model the specific number of loops for his particular case), you won't succeed. Success depends as much on your participation and cooperation as it does in me finding the right approaches, phrasing and techniques to put in the script. If you refuse to do what it takes, you will not get the results, no matter what you are talking about.

I'm 31 and Catman is also over 30. Time is not endless and we can't spend our lives without sex.

Well then why aren't you having sex?

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon, thought I would give a kind of report on things. Will make it short since i'm currently in vacation in the philippines and i'm on a tablet at the moment. I will report on what I how I might have been resisting in ordee to improve things. I had to stop the program due the main reason I will explain though I think I may have gotten a late manifestation after not using it for a while.

The main thing my mind seemed to use to resist was that same attitude of I don't care but it seemed to be worst than I thought. It seemed to evolve into straight up nihilism. "I don't care, nothing matters, its all unimportant". It wasn't just towards women either it was towarda everyrhing and it started to affect my motivation towards anything I needed to get accomplished which is bad since I currently need to search for a new job once I get back. So pretty much the main way it seemed to resist was through complete nihilism and no motivation towards anything. Not sure if this nihilism might be in relation with the idea that I will die if I execute the script.

Another smaller thing that is getting annoying is my inability to "finish" when actually having sex. It's like I will get close to finishing multiple times but every time its like some old program in my mind will come online and totally shut off any pleasure I was feeling at the moment or reset me back to 0 just when I was about to reach 100% if that makes sense. I dont know what is causing this. Also I noticed I don't seem to be able to even be close to finishing if i'm just ***** a chick. Its like I don't have enough sensitivity from the regular act to be pushed over the edge. Though I did notice, on previous versions though not on this one, that whenever I was taking Aniracetam , a nootropic, I seemed to be able to finish even with just intercorse. Aniracetam is known to reduce stress, depression and cause a kind of relaxed feeling. Not sure if that means my subconscious is also highly resisting the anti anxiety and depression scripting.

Anyway thought I would report on that for now.

Very interesting report, thank you. Do you have any idea what is so scary to your subconscious that this would be a way it would react? I'm taking it past hurts?

It would seem the wall is working for you, but your subconscious found and maximally capitalized on the IDGAF loophole.

Hey Shannon, sorry for the long wait for a reply. I do think I have some important info though after dealing with my late manisfestation and thinking about your question. I think this experience as revealed a lot to me and maybe showed me where a lot of this resistance is coming from. I'm still in the philippines right now and typing from a tablet, sorry for any typos, so I will keep this short and give you a more detailed report when I get back.

As I mentioned before I did get a late manisfestation and got in a relationship for a while, kind of pushed her away a bit so don't know where things are now. I think my reaction to it probably more clearly defined my issues for me. She was very affectionate, loving , very open and honest with her feelings. Seemed to have a high sex drive as. She never seemed to deny me or resist me when I wanted sex which weirdly when she wanted it more than me I stopped wanting it as much and not to mention the fact that some subconscious belief kept me from enjoying. I was very happy with being shown lots of love and loving in return at first but then something in me just kept growing. This sense of fear of being so emotionally and physically close to some one.

After some thought I think I realized where this comes from. In my younger years I was pratically isolated and neglected by my own family. Because of this I never really was close emotionally or physically to anyone. My siblings wanted nothing to do with me and my mother was a career feminist type so she didn't have time for that. My step father worked night shifts and slept most of the day. The only time so called friends wanted anything to do with me most of the time was when they wanted something, basically to use me. Since I think I never had the normal experiences of being in close relationships I find myself feeling very uncomfortable being in them and down right fearful.

Part of the fears if I could list them seem to be

-fear of being emotionally, physically close to someone allows them to affect me too much emotionally

- they will have power over me if I let them in (seems to be based on neglect and pass hurts)

-seem to have low toleration for the intense emotions as relationship entails.

- fear of related to above of lossing control over "me" having control over how I feel.

From realizing this I noticed that my intense need for control and not being told what to do seems to stim from my early enviroment of isolation and neglect where it was only me so only "I" had control over myself. So being in a different situation where I need to give up some of that control over myself to someone in any type of close relationship scares the shit out of me. It also annoyed and aggitated me when I was with the girl and she could make me feel things , whether good or negative. The fear of allowing someone power over me as I said seems to come from past hurts and abuse from people I have opened up to before. I just noticed that all my attempts at close relations before usually followed the same I had with my relatives. I get feelings but the chick just straights up rejects me or tries to use me. Or sometimes I've realized I will self sabotage the thing myself because its getting to emotionally close, like this first real relationship I just had.

Anyway, I though I would shared that. I known there is a module or something that subconsciously trains you to help achieve the goals of the program. Would this perhaps help with training the person to be comfortable being physically/emotionally close to a person, not freak out doing so, and perhaps help them deal with the emotions that are part of having a short or long term relationship with a woman?

Anyway, I hope this helps in development somehow especially for people who have troubles being in close relationships with people.

What you are describing is based on something that should be solved by the module I am working on now in Beast 17. Thanks for reporting, though. That is helpful.

[Shannon]

Yeah I have switched over to decaf Tea, mostly. I have one normal Tea in the morning, but I am sure it won't be that hard to twitch over that one cup, aswell.

Shannon, when you can get around to it any chance of a Deep Gratitude and Appreciation focusfire sub?

When I can get a round tuit, sure.

Shannon what was you experience with a gratitude lifestyle if you had any ?
Do you have any conviction in the usefulness of consciously being grateful as much as possible?

A gratitude lifestyle didn't bring much to my life when I adopted it. Usually with LOA techniques I can see reality shifting but with gratitude I couldn't tell if life was improving at all. I went on for like, 2+ months with that.
I feel like gratitude is a consequence of a blissful state rather than one of possible trigger of that said state.
So I'm curious if you had any evidence (at least from experience) of the benefits of an attitude of gratitude.

Gratitude only works when it's genuine. Genuine gratitude is its own reward, and you won't be looking for other things in response to it. Trying to generate gratitude and then look for something else to happen as a result is not really being grateful.

Gratitude is a result of being grateful, genuinely grateful of and appreciating, what is in some direction. It is not a consequence of a blissful state, it is a blissful state. Gratitude is the end result of genuine appreciation. You can't fake it and then expect things to happen. You can't do it on the surface and expect things to change. You have to be genuinely appreciative and genuinely grateful. "Doing it for two months" doesn't happen when you're doing it right, it becomes a default state.

It - appreciation and gratitude - is a choice, yes, but the difference between what you were probably doing and doing it the right way is that the right way is not trying to get something else as a result. Genuine appreciation is not a tool to get gratitude, but it usually naturally results in genuine gratitude. Likewise, genuine gratitude is not a tool to get something else, but it frequently results in many other things, such as an increase in genuine contentment, success, happiness, etc.

Stop trying to get something as a result of being grateful. The end goal should be gratitude. The rest will happen naturally and automatically as a consequence of being genuinely grateful.

And yes, I have a lot of experience with a lifestyle that includes genuine gratitude. It changed my whole life around. It's also very useful for combating negative thinking, anger, frustration and depression.

Yes as I thought so... In fact I wrote carefully "consciously being grateful", because I know there's the genuine state which is totally effortless.
The way gratitude is taught by the new age movement is "fake it until you make it", which is what I tried.
What you said makes perfect sense and I agree.
Well in some instances faking work. But when it comes to gratitude, not so much it appears. Thanks for the input.
I still dwell in gratitude whenever I can as it generates positive emotions. That's better than nothing.

So to follow up with the suggestion yes that would be a good thing a gratitude sub. I am not a fan of having it as just a focus fire sub. It would however fits so well with PTPA, SE and such.
I think later when you have room you could make a "bundle" of these subs. Like for US + LM.

Gratitude us already part of the skeleton script. It is in PTPA and SE already. I am, however, planning to expand it in the future.

[SargeMaximus]

I'm excited to see what 3.3 will be like. Imo, the affected seducing the user part definitely needs to be improved a lot. I had 1 example with the 8.5 but never got p in v with her so yeah. Other than that,no women chasing me or approaching me.

[Theron]

I have something very weird to report. Recently I got together with a girl which was a date turned **** session. Not very attractive by my standards, but not bad at all. Soon after, I started to notice a pattern. The girl I slept with said she is not available for next 15 days as her family is visiting.
Just a day before that, a tinder match that I connected well with said she cannot meet me for next 2 weeks as she is flying out to another country.
Another girl that I am speaking with is also going away for two weeks, so we can't have our first date right away.
By themselves, I would not think much about the 2-week gap. But when it happens with three different girls at almost the same time at different levels of involvement, I feel like it is a pattern.
Plus is it is co-incidence our ASRB is also 2 weeks for side B?
What is happening?
Any insights?

[Dmitry]

I have something very weird to report. Recently I got together with a girl which was a date turned **** session. Not very attractive by my standards, but not bad at all. Soon after, I started to notice a pattern. The girl I slept with said she is not available for next 15 days as her family is visiting.
Just a day before that, a tinder match that I connected well with said she cannot meet me for next 2 weeks as she is flying out to another country.
Another girl that I am speaking with is also going away for two weeks, so we can't have our first date right away.
By themselves, I would not think much about the 2-week gap. But when it happens with three different girls at almost the same time at different levels of involvement, I feel like it is a pattern.
Plus is it is co-incidence our ASRB is also 2 weeks for side B?
What is happening?
Any insights?

Cool, I like patterns when a few girls in the same day have mentioned that they have “this red days of the month” I almost shouted “are you kidding me, are you conspired that!?” ))

[Shannon]

I have something very weird to report. Recently I got together with a girl which was a date turned **** session. Not very attractive by my standards, but not bad at all. Soon after, I started to notice a pattern. The girl I slept with said she is not available for next 15 days as her family is visiting.
Just a day before that, a tinder match that I connected well with said she cannot meet me for next 2 weeks as she is flying out to another country.
Another girl that I am speaking with is also going away for two weeks, so we can't have our first date right away.
By themselves, I would not think much about the 2-week gap. But when it happens with three different girls at almost the same time at different levels of involvement, I feel like it is a pattern.
Plus is it is co-incidence our ASRB is also 2 weeks for side B?
What is happening?
Any insights?

Interesting coincidence... are you planning to switch to A side after the secondary ASRB, by any chance?

[Theron]

I have something very weird to report. Recently I got together with a girl which was a date turned **** session. Not very attractive by my standards, but not bad at all. Soon after, I started to notice a pattern. The girl I slept with said she is not available for next 15 days as her family is visiting.
Just a day before that, a tinder match that I connected well with said she cannot meet me for next 2 weeks as she is flying out to another country.
Another girl that I am speaking with is also going away for two weeks, so we can't have our first date right away.
By themselves, I would not think much about the 2-week gap. But when it happens with three different girls at almost the same time at different levels of involvement, I feel like it is a pattern.
Plus is it is co-incidence our ASRB is also 2 weeks for side B?
What is happening?
Any insights?

Interesting coincidence... are you planning to switch to A side after the secondary ASRB, by any chance?

I had not thought of that until you brought it up. On my last run of the A side, I did not see or feel any external or internal changes. So I was planning to stick to B which actually gives me some results.

Shannon, do you suggest I do a round of A with a higher loop count?
My last run was a month ago and I had stuck to 2 loops max per day that time.
Tomorrow is my day off, again, co incidentally.

[Shannon]

I have something very weird to report. Recently I got together with a girl which was a date turned **** session. Not very attractive by my standards, but not bad at all. Soon after, I started to notice a pattern. The girl I slept with said she is not available for next 15 days as her family is visiting.
Just a day before that, a tinder match that I connected well with said she cannot meet me for next 2 weeks as she is flying out to another country.
Another girl that I am speaking with is also going away for two weeks, so we can't have our first date right away.
By themselves, I would not think much about the 2-week gap. But when it happens with three different girls at almost the same time at different levels of involvement, I feel like it is a pattern.
Plus is it is co-incidence our ASRB is also 2 weeks for side B?
What is happening?
Any insights?

Interesting coincidence... are you planning to switch to A side after the secondary ASRB, by any chance?

I had not thought of that until you brought it up. On my last run of the A side, I did not see or feel any external or internal changes. So I was planning to stick to B which actually gives me some results.

Shannon, do you suggest I do a round of A with a higher loop count?
My last run was a month ago and I had stuck to 2 loops max per day that time.
Tomorrow is my day off, again, co incidentally.

I was thinking this may have been a way of avoiding anything happening until you made a chance desired by the subconscious (switching to A, perhaps). If that was not your plan, then my theory would make more sense as a response to B side working so well that it scared your subconscious.

You may be in the tide now, my friend. "The Tide" is where the subconscious executes, then gets scared, then executes again, then gets scared, and over time becomes comfortable with executing. The execution tends to happen more and more frequently each time it happens with less and less hiding in between. If you are in the tide, it's just a matter of time. I would keep going the way you are.

Higher loops might help also, but that's your choice to make.

[Adrien Silva]

Shannon will a 6g 6 module program still be 6 months?

[lano1106]

Shannon, when can we expect AM7 to be released? Is it going to be in the next 3 or 4 months or later? What will be the price of it? The same as AM6? What will be differences between AM6 and AM7? Thank you!

AM7 is most likely to be released sometime in either 2019 or 2020, depending on how long it takes me to finish creating the 6G skeleton script and then produce ASC in 6G and the second custom I have on contract right now, which is specified to be the second 6G I create in the contract. That second custom I am contracted to build will take me a significant amount of time to build, since it will be the first 6 stage 6G subliminal ever, and I have to figure out not only how to make that, but achieve the (very challenging) goal of the program.

AM7's development time will likely take 4 to 6 months just for upgrading the script from v6.0 to v7.0.

The fact that AM6 is a 5G sub and AM7 is going to be a 6G sub means the price will be vastly different. I don't know specifically how much AM7 will cost yet, but it currently seems likely to be between $1,800 and $2,100 per copy, or ~$300 per stage. And yes, as promised, upgrading from AM6 to AM7 will get you a 50% discount, as always.

What will the differences be? Aside from that 7.0 will be in 6G, I don't know yet. I haven't started working on how to create it yet, since 6G isn't finished being developed yet and I don't even know how to build a multi-stage sub out of 6G yet.

After DMSI, I am very interested in AM and BAMM programs. Should I wait for AM7 release or should I get AM6 in the meantime?

Beside the program benefits aspect. I guess that from a financial point of view it might be a good deal to acquire AM6 which is tagged at $500 if I am correct.

$500 + $2100 * 50% < $2100....

If you are smart, you'll buy AM6 now and then get AM7 at a discount of $800 to $1050. If you're not smart, you'll wait and I'll eventually make it unavailable and you'll pay full price.

ok, ok. I consider myself smart so I am starting to plan taking a break from DMSI and make a jump into AM6.

Here is the plan:

1. Use DMSI A until end of the month.
2. Do one last round of DMSI B in July because it is summer and B is fun
3. Take a 21 days break
4. Buy and start using AM6
and hopefully DMSI 3.3 release will happen more or less by the end of going through AM6 and I'll get better result out of it after having going through AM6.

Just let me know if this sounds like a good plan.

[Shannon]

Shannon will a 6g 6 module program still be 6 months?

A six stage set is, so far, designed to be used 32 days per stage. I don't yet know if that will change in 6G because I haven't finished developing 6G yet.

[Shannon]

Shannon, when can we expect AM7 to be released? Is it going to be in the next 3 or 4 months or later? What will be the price of it? The same as AM6? What will be differences between AM6 and AM7? Thank you!

AM7 is most likely to be released sometime in either 2019 or 2020, depending on how long it takes me to finish creating the 6G skeleton script and then produce ASC in 6G and the second custom I have on contract right now, which is specified to be the second 6G I create in the contract. That second custom I am contracted to build will take me a significant amount of time to build, since it will be the first 6 stage 6G subliminal ever, and I have to figure out not only how to make that, but achieve the (very challenging) goal of the program.

AM7's development time will likely take 4 to 6 months just for upgrading the script from v6.0 to v7.0.

The fact that AM6 is a 5G sub and AM7 is going to be a 6G sub means the price will be vastly different. I don't know specifically how much AM7 will cost yet, but it currently seems likely to be between $1,800 and $2,100 per copy, or ~$300 per stage. And yes, as promised, upgrading from AM6 to AM7 will get you a 50% discount, as always.

What will the differences be? Aside from that 7.0 will be in 6G, I don't know yet. I haven't started working on how to create it yet, since 6G isn't finished being developed yet and I don't even know how to build a multi-stage sub out of 6G yet.

After DMSI, I am very interested in AM and BAMM programs. Should I wait for AM7 release or should I get AM6 in the meantime?

Beside the program benefits aspect. I guess that from a financial point of view it might be a good deal to acquire AM6 which is tagged at $500 if I am correct.

$500 + $2100 * 50% < $2100....

If you are smart, you'll buy AM6 now and then get AM7 at a discount of $800 to $1050. If you're not smart, you'll wait and I'll eventually make it unavailable and you'll pay full price.

ok, ok. I consider myself smart so I am starting to plan taking a break from DMSI and make a jump into AM6.

Here is the plan:

1. Use DMSI A until end of the month.
2. Do one last round of DMSI B in July because it is summer and B is fun
3. Take a 21 days break
4. Buy and start using AM6
and hopefully DMSI 3.3 release will happen more or less by the end of going through AM6 and I'll get better result out of it after having going through AM6.

Just let me know if this sounds like a good plan.

For the P6 in current DMSI, I recommend 35, not 21, days off. Otherwise, sounds legit.