Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[thor2014]

Day 14 - DMSI 3.2 A 7 loops

Another bizzare dream I am about to have sex with a girl in my own house she is naked so am i, when suddenly I hear my father walking into my own house screaming and shouting. I get scared and the dream ends.

Been out and about the city socializing no external effects so far.

[samba99]

Dear DMSI,

What I can’t and don’t understand is why on earlier version of DMSI in particular (2.4 and 2.5) I have executed the script very well which I was having ridiculous results ( even tho at that stage I was completely new to subs and I thought it was totally BS until I saw the change in reality) during that period I have achieved the design goal few times with absolute no effort from my end.

But now, with the so advanced technology and 3 or 4 times as strong, I don’t see anything near that what I saw initially with 2.4-2.5. And please no one says something like “you got used to the new reality” because there is obvious differences between the two realities.

Even though I know that I need some healing but it seems since the healing got into the program the results started to fade slowly and something else started to take over which is Anger, frustration, depression and GAY thoughts and dreams.

[Kol]

Yeah its a reoccuring pattern from my point of view. Worth looking into it. A seems to work through something significant Thor.

[changer]

@Shannon
I guess you missed my question here: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Men-s...#pid198446

Additional: Nathanial Brandon defines self-esteem as a combination of self-respect and self-efficacy. Do you agree with that? Does SE focus fire sub help with both? Self-efficacy means taking action - what if I fear taking a specific action? Will the sub help with it?

[AlphaRomeo]

Hi Shannon. In your previous post you mentioned conscious/subconscious boredom. What if someday I found a single stage sub that I would like to listen for far longer than 3 months? Can the subconscious regain interest in it again after a long enough break?

Not every type of personality or awareness will get bored. Some do, most don't. If it gets bored, then it will tend to need either a break, if one stage, or a different stimulus if it's multi stage.

Shannon, are you referring here to all subs or DMSI specifically? I am assuming all subs, but just wanted to make sure. I have been running MLS 5.5 now about 8 months and while I do enjoy it overall and the benefits it brings I do get these periods where I am bored of running it. My original plan was to run it 12 months but now I am thinking to give it a break or switch to another sub (after required pause) after 9.th month. The thing is I´m not sure how "far" I am in the process or "evolution" in the learning stages you have roughly defined here: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-User-...#pid188210

It would not make sense to stop using it before the full learning, but then again maybe I am already there. I wonder if there is a way of knowing for sure, or if I knew being already there. What I do know is that there are at least some significant changes in my "brain power" already. Since you mentioned in your post that if bored " it will tend to need either a break" I was wondering if this applies to conscious boredom as well. And the "big question"; in case of boredom would it make sense to take a break (and how long) and then get back to MLS? I assume the effects of running MLS are long lasting if not permanent, so when going back to MLS after break I would roughly "pick up" where I left in terms of learning. Am I right? Any words of wisdom greatly appreciated, as always. Thank you.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon,

I think I have been using MLS 5.5 for about close to 3 months now, the overall outcome I have noticed are:

1. destroyed procrastination
2. desire to drink more iced cold water (even when I don't feel thirsty; I just enjoy it now)
3. Drink less soda a day in measured quantities
4. (told my shrink one day) I had an epiphany where I decided to take action for my life and take responsibilty (shift in mindset due to MLS??)
5. just a few days ago I think I found topics that I could be interested in looking to take notes and 'learn' more from just for the sake of knowledge and callback of the knowledge when I need to or feel like recalling it.
6. I have had some physical symptoms from using MLS 5.5 such as my body one day woke up and felt like I just got back from a gym workout (DOMS effect)

So 3 main questions:

I have no doubt that MLS could do more if I continued listening to it yet but I am wondering does the sub also in general make us become "smarter" I have been still having some difficulty in memory recall and putting thoughts into words.

1) Maybe you can someday upgrade the sub where it will make listeners "smarter" and absorb knowledge like a sponge instantly. Is that even possible??

It is already designed to do what is possible to do in that direction. This requires and includes adjustments to the physical brain, which takes time. If you execute, of course.

2) Also for point # 4 above, does MLS even change one's mindset or shift it into becoming an action taker and taking responsibility (I know my shrink didn't do that to me so it had to be from MLS with the epiphany).

Yes.

3) The luck magnifier ingredient you have in MLS; does that even become luck for anything or strictly for learning??

It is designed to make learning easier and more natural, automatic and fluid.

Thanks for the thorough response. Also starting AM 6 after mid June wish me luck!

Luck is not required. Follow the instructions.

[Shannon]

Day 14 - DMSI 3.2 A 7 loops

Another bizzare dream I am about to have sex with a girl in my own house she is naked so am i, when suddenly I hear my father walking into my own house screaming and shouting. I get scared and the dream ends.

Been out and about the city socializing no external effects so far.

I'm noticing you have a shift in your dreams now, and that indicates progress is being made.

You also seem to have a pattern of negative interactions with your father that others have also noted. Perhaps your subconscious is telling you that at this point, it is afraid that doing what the program is designed to do will anger/upset your father, which it is afraid of doing.

[Shannon]

Dear DMSI,

What I can’t and don’t understand is why on earlier version of DMSI in particular (2.4 and 2.5) I have executed the script very well which I was having ridiculous results ( even tho at that stage I was completely new to subs and I thought it was totally BS until I saw the change in reality) during that period I have achieved the design goal few times with absolute no effort from my end.

But now, with the so advanced technology and 3 or 4 times as strong, I don’t see anything near that what I saw initially with 2.4-2.5. And please no one says something like “you got used to the new reality” because there is obvious differences between the two realities.

Even though I know that I need some healing but it seems since the healing got into the program the results started to fade slowly and something else started to take over which is Anger, frustration, depression and GAY thoughts and dreams.

For you, 2.4 and 2.5 may have been a good balance of goals and scripting, which resulted in execution. As we advance, more is demanded of you in terms of what you are being asked to do to achieve the goals, which for some people will trigger fear, which will trigger resistance.

What that means is that there was still something holding you back from executing fully. That is now being dealt with. All things go in cycles.

You say the healing caused the results to fade and gave you "Anger, frustration, depression and GAY thoughts and dreams."

Those, then, are the things that are holding you back from truly executing the script and achieving all of the goals.

Anger is either going to be anger at something that is sublimated (stuffed down), being expressed through the healing process, or something that is a reaction to the healing and clearing process (not wanting to face and deal with this stuff, resentment of being "told what to do", whatever.

Frustration may be with the program being too strong to resist, or as a result of the stresses caused by the H&C process and what is being dealt with.

Depression usually results when the program is too strong to resist and the resisting part knows it; this type of depression results from that part resisting feeling hopeless to resist, but still being terribly afraid of what is inevitable because it cannot be resisted. It is also possible that your depression stems from digging up and processing/purging something that is holding you back via the H&C process.

Gay thoughts and dreams would be you overcoming your internal fears of being gay. This doesn't mean you ARE gay, of course, but you have to understand that there is no black and white in this situation: people are never 100% gay or 100% straight or 100% bisexual or whatever. We exist on a continuum, so for example you may be 98% straight and 2% gay, and based on what society etc. has told you, you fear that 2% of yourself that represents openness to homosexuality. What this program may be doing is clearing you of that because somehow it has something to do with you resisting achieving the goals of the program.

Now if that makes no sense at all logically, it's okay: the subconscious mind is not logical in the way the conscious mind is. The "logic" it uses is entirely alien to the logic used by the conscious mind. The subconscious (or at least large parts of the subconscious, perhaps) is emotional, symbolic, irrational. It can therefore have what it perceives as perfectly logical and reasonable reasons for resisting X when the goal is Y, even if there is no correlation between them by the logic the conscious mind uses.

Or, there could be some sort of connection that we just don't know about yet on the subconscious level, which association is triggering the unexpected results.

[Shannon]

@Shannon
I guess you missed my question here: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Men-s...#pid198446

Additional: Nathanial Brandon defines self-esteem as a combination of self-respect and self-efficacy. Do you agree with that?

Efficacy is defined as "the ability to produce a desired or intended result." So his definition is self respect and the ability to produce the desired result in and through oneself. That is not something I disagree with, but I don't think it goes far enough.

Does SE focus fire sub help with both?

It does.

Self-efficacy means taking action - what if I fear taking a specific action? Will the sub help with it?

Any action feared as a result of low self esteem will be made less fearful to do, or the fear removed, by use of the SE sub.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon,

I just read your answer in Mat422's journal regarding self esteem and the longer I listen to DMSI the more I think I really need to work on my self esteem. Therefore my question:

How much power does the SE module in DMSI have compared to the SE focus fire sub? Several times members here asked people why they did the SE focus fire sub although it is contained in DMSI. So they assumed that the module in DMSI is as powerful as listening to the SE sub itself. Is that true or can resistance to the other modules also weaken or fully block the SE module?

Power is not the issue with these two programs. They use the same key script, but one is aimed at achieving self esteem, and one is aimed at achieving that as a means to a series of subgoals, which themselves are aimed at achieving a primary goal. SE is the same in both cases script wise, but one is focused entirely on that goal (SE) and one is using it as a step to achieve something else. Less focus on SE means that less time, energy and focus is being spent on that alone. So as an analogy, you can have an engine at 40 horsepower (say on a boat), and it will still be 40 HP no matter how many other engines of whatever level of power you pair it with. But will it still be the focus of all of the resources in use? No. Power remains the same, but focus of resources changes.

And if I play DMSI 3.2B for 2 loops a day while SE sub is supposed to be played 6 loops - will I need 3x longer to archive self esteem this way? I guess you will laugh about that simple maths but I have to ask it anyway.

If DMSI needs 2 loops a day and SE needs 6, then we have already compensated for the difference in speed of results.


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By the way 2 weeks ago I realised one thing that made me resist DMSI. It is fear that the aura could become permanent and that powering it all the time could slowly suck all energy out of me --> illness. So fear of illness and death made (or still makes?) me resist a sex sub. All these excuses of my mind and fears that keep me away from living a fulfilled live are not funny any more.

That would just be a convenient excuse from your subconscious to resist and legitimize that. It is literally impossible that even if the aura became permanent, that it could "slowly suck all energy out of me --> illness" because the safeties in place prevent that, and the fact is, you can and do adjust to the energy requirements of the sub in a variety of ways.

Furthermore, the aura cannot become permanent in a sense of being powered that way, because over time, while the modulations to your aura may remain, the energy required to power it actively is too much for the subconscious to continue doing without constant direction to do so.

It takes energy to move the energy around and focus it the way that actively powers the aura, and that energy takes effort to put out. The subconscious does not do anything more than it needs to, ever, as far as I can see. That's why it has the capacity to turn off any pain, but it only does that under special circumstances, such as hypnotic or subliminal direction to do so. That's why when you stop using any sub that uses and relies on energy flooding, its effects (those based on the energy flooding and/or energy manipulations) fade quickly when you stop using it.

That fear is ridiculous.

[DarkPlouf]

Dear DMSI,

What I can’t and don’t understand is why on earlier version of DMSI in particular (2.4 and 2.5) I have executed the script very well which I was having ridiculous results ( even tho at that stage I was completely new to subs and I thought it was totally BS until I saw the change in reality) during that period I have achieved the design goal few times with absolute no effort from my end.

But now, with the so advanced technology and 3 or 4 times as strong, I don’t see anything near that what I saw initially with 2.4-2.5. And please no one says something like “you got used to the new reality” because there is obvious differences between the two realities.

Even though I know that I need some healing but it seems since the healing got into the program the results started to fade slowly and something else started to take over which is Anger, frustration, depression and GAY thoughts and dreams.

How about you run 2.4/2. 5 for at least a month and see if you have good results? If so then you hit the jackpot and found what works for you. Otherwise what you got back then was just temporary or unrelated to DMSI - maybe mere luck. Or you did something else on top of using DMSI that changed everything. Lol if I were you I'd go in monk mode and introspect what the hell was different from now.

But I think I am getting similar issues. Not with DMSI in particular but overall with subs. I remember my early results with subliminals were amazing and even unimaginable. I even listened to something very crazy that only an immature and dreamy guy would run, and I got something mind blowing. Now I can't even run a simple SE sub and feel it genuinely working for real. It's like nothing really happen and I now truly listen to just a trickling stream sound.
That was two years ago when I first started and I think my very naive approach to subliminals helped a lot. I think with the time I saw, internalized and accepted to much crap that now makes subliminals harder to work. Idk...
I wonder if a full year of break with subliminals and the community would serve as a reset button and maybe bring back the wonder I used to approach subs with.
I have noticed how my feelings play a lot in the success of whatever I do, and since many months my guts feel weird about subs. I am being driven apart from them... Yikes. Maybe it's boredom.

[samba99]

Dear DMSI,

What I can’t and don’t understand is why on earlier version of DMSI in particular (2.4 and 2.5) I have executed the script very well which I was having ridiculous results ( even tho at that stage I was completely new to subs and I thought it was totally BS until I saw the change in reality) during that period I have achieved the design goal few times with absolute no effort from my end.

But now, with the so advanced technology and 3 or 4 times as strong, I don’t see anything near that what I saw initially with 2.4-2.5. And please no one says something like “you got used to the new reality” because there is obvious differences between the two realities.

Even though I know that I need some healing but it seems since the healing got into the program the results started to fade slowly and something else started to take over which is Anger, frustration, depression and GAY thoughts and dreams.

How about you run 2.4/2. 5 for at least a month and see if you have good results? If so then you hit the jackpot and found what works for you. Otherwise what you got back then was just temporary or unrelated to DMSI - maybe mere luck. Or you did something else on top of using DMSI that changed everything. Lol if I were you I'd go in monk mode and introspect what the hell was different from now.

But I think I am getting similar issues. Not with DMSI in particular but overall with subs. I remember my early results with subliminals were amazing and even unimaginable. I even listened to something very crazy that only an immature and dreamy guy would run, and I got something mind blowing. Now I can't even run a simple SE sub and feel it genuinely working for real. It's like nothing really happen and I now truly listen to just a trickling stream sound.
That was two years ago when I first started and I think my very naive approach to subliminals helped a lot. I think with the time I saw, internalized and accepted to much crap that now makes subliminals harder to work. Idk...
I wonder if a full year of break with subliminals and the community would serve as a reset button and maybe bring back the wonder I used to approach subs with.
I have noticed how my feelings play a lot in the success of whatever I do, and since many months my guts feel weird about subs. I am being driven apart from them... Yikes. Maybe it's boredom.

I have lost all my files of earlier version the least I have is 3.0
And no I didn’t do anything else nor it was luck. I am 100% certain it was DMSI, you don’t just change reality for weeks just like that or by luck.

[Have at ye]

Glad to hear about the progress on Beast and the custom! Not envying the build-process though. Gotta be one hell of a program.

[Hatman]

Glad to hear about the progress on Beast and the custom! Not envying the build-process though. Gotta be one hell of a program.

6G technology will have the ability to change many lives when used correctly. I don't know what Shannon has in mind for the future, but I trust that it's going to be something world changing, and for the better, to whatever degree he can manage.