Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9

[dweller94]

Hi Shannon,

I've been running Ascendant Alpha Male Subliminal Training Set v7.0, Stage 0 (6.5 Gen) since May 11, 2026.

I've been following this instruction set:
"If you DO NOT need this program to be ready for stages 1+, but you want to use it anyway: Use this program for 1 (One) loop (30 minutes total) per day on, for 1 (One) days on and 3 (Three) days off per usage cycle."

I haven't noticed any results so far. Should I have followed the alternative instruction set instead ("If you DO need this program to be ready for Stages 1+:")?
I didn't, as I don't have plans for the rest of AM7 maybe one day

I used the ultrasonic version for two months before switching to hybrid. There might be internal changes happening that I'm not aware of, but I haven't noticed anything concrete yet. Since the total run cycle is four months, do I have to stop once those four months are complete?

My goal was to stick with this program for as long as possible because it includes some great subs. I haven't been actively looking for results every day; I just realized recently how long I've been running it. Could you please advise on what I should do next such as a volume change, or if I should just stick to the current plan?

I received a discount on this sub, so I know I'm not eligible for a refund. I'm not worried about that though; I just want to get as much benefit from this program as possible. For reference, I previously had great success with AM6.

Thank you!

[callie]

Posted here so we don't take over someone else's journal...

Just to challenge you a bit, and sorry if this is going too off topic, but I agree that money itself isnt good or evil and having money obviously gives you more freedom and power to make a difference. But I dont really agree that theres "infinite wealth" or that having great wealth means you have no obligation to use any of it for the benefit of others. Even if that wealth is completely legitimately earned, it still doesnt exist in a vacuum, right? It depends on other peoples labor and hard work, as well as the society and systems that made it possible to build that wealth in the first place. But other than that I think you are pretty spot on

You are welcome to your point of view and opinion.  I'll explain my point of view a little better.

The reason I say that there is infinite wealth is that there is unlimited abundance, which becomes obvious when you remove the artificial self imposed limitations, such as beliefs like "there's a lack of money, so if I have X, it must have caused someone else to not have that X".  Me becoming a millionaire, or even a billionaire, does not have to cause anyone else to have less.  The only way that happens is if I choose to achieve wealth in a way that specifically causes that outcome intentionally.  I can choose to become wealthy in a variety of ways that do not do that.  Those who become wealthy by doing things like that are typically very immature souls who don't know better, who are making that mistake so they can incur the karma that corrects their misunderstanding and advances their maturity level through the experience.

You cannot see unlimited abundance if you have beliefs that contradict that and create artificial limitation and lack as a result.

As to responsibility, the only responsibility we have is to not harm others.  Me becoming wealthy does not obligate me to feed the poor, or fund a charity or invest in any particular venture capital option, or give money to anyone or help anyone else in any way.  It just means I have more potential for creating change.  Money/currency/wealth is just energy, and it is just a tool.  Just like a hammer, there is no obligation to use it or use it in a particular way.  Anything you can say that disagrees will come from your personally accepted beliefs, not from reality. 

You may have been taught that having wealth obligates you to help others in some way.  You may believe it.  But the fact is, there is no obligation but to do no harm.  And even that is severely warped and misunderstood by most people, because the concept of responsibility and personal responsibility is so twisted and warped these days.

If you are acting out of guilt/shame/fear, then you are acting because someone is manipulating you to do so - and it may be some part of yourself, or it may be someone else or some group.  But the manipulation remains a manipulation.

If I walk past someone who is homeless and begging for change, I have no obligation to help them.  Their own actions and choices got them where they are (in most cases) and in most cases, they will be where they are in life because their actions and choices continue to either hold them there or make that their preferred outcome for whatever reason.  No matter how wealthy, that remains true.  And even in cases where I encounter someone who is homeless because they are severely disabled, insane, etc. it is still not my responsibility to help them.  I can help them, I can choose to intervene, but me having a lot of money and intervening may be making them worse off if I do not intervene the right way.

If I give a beggar $5, what's he going to do with that?  Very good bet he's going to buy alcohol.  Alcohol means he's effectively using me to fund a drug habit of sorts, while avoiding taking personal responsibility for earning the money he uses to do that.  So if I give a beggar money, in most cases, I am not helping that person.  Instead, I am:

A) Allowing myself to be manipulated.
B) Allowing someone else to evade personal responsibility for themselves.
C) Funding a drug problem.
D) Teaching that person that lying to get what they want is perfectly acceptable.

None of those are good things.  So if someone approaches me for money, I will usually turn them down.  If I can see that they may genuinely be in need, I may help them by doing something that is not giving them money, but solves a need.  Getting them water, food, information, etc. But I do that only rarely, because most beggars are not genuinely in need of help, they just want to take advantage of other people's shame and guilt.  And even in cases where they genuinely need help, if I think my efforts to help will cause harm in some way, I am going to turn them down.

When I lived in Savannah Georgia, I was approached by a man who was in his early 20's who I instantly knew was a drug addict because of the track marks on his arms.  He gave me a sob story about how his newborn had no formula or diapers because momma had abandoned it to him and he couldn't find a job.  He asked for money.  I told him, "I'll get you some baby formula and diapers, but I will not give you money.  Let's go."  He immediately had an excuse why he had to leave.  Uh huh.  I thought so.

Now let's consider the "wealth does not exist in a vacuum" point.  If I have wealthy clients, are they doing hard work to have the money to pay me?  Many of them will not be.  Some will have retired.  Some will have inherited.  Some will be trust fund babies.  That's not labor and hard work in many of those cases. 

But what about where they got that money from?  Well, there's a variety of ways you can have money.  If you're Wal Mart, your clientele is largely poor people.  A lot of poor people, at least in the United States, do not work and earn their money.  Instead, they pop out babies and get on welfare.  And they believe they deserve this, because the government told them so.  Wal Mart therefore has to a significant degree become wealthy by serving those who, in large part, leach from the taxpayers while not working at all and using up resources freely. 

In the other direction, I know people who spend a few hours a day sitting in front of their computer and making stocks, forex or arbitrage.  I also know people who do not a damned thing, and make money on those things because they wrote a program to do the "work" for them.  Most such people lose money, but a small percentage do make a living at it, and some of them are quite wealthy as a result.  Did they earn the tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars they acquired doing these things?  Well, depends on how you define "earned".  If "you earn money with hard work" is your belief, then you're going to believe they didn't earn that money.  If your belief is that they did what it took for that money to come to them legally, then likely you will believe they did earn it. 

So no, the money that makes me wealthy does not automatically come from someone else's hard work and labor.  There will be people who work hard and do labor of some sort to earn their money.  But there are also plenty of other ways to have money flow to you, legal and otherwise.  The issue is that most people hold limiting beliefs and those limiting beliefs are intended to protect them from the scary infinity of possibilities they could experience and achieve by limiting what they can do and experience.  But those are the bars to a jail cell you built with those beliefs, which are based in fear, not reality.

Fair enough, I think we just see this differently, even when it comes to karma

As I understand it, karma isnt just about doing no harm or learning your own personal lessons. How we treat other people, our intentions and what we choose to do when we have the ability to help also matter. So I dont really see helping others as something that necessarily comes from guilt or manipulation, although of course it can

And I still dont really agree that wealth exists in a vacuum. At the end of the day, money gets its value from the real world around us. You can make millions from stocks or an algorithm without doing much actual labor yourself, sure, but that wealth still depends on a functioning society, other people working, producing things and providing services. None of it really works in isolation

But yeah. I think we just see this differently. I get where you are coming from though

[ReconGunner]

Posted here so we don't take over someone else's journal...


You are welcome to your point of view and opinion.  I'll explain my point of view a little better.

The reason I say that there is infinite wealth is that there is unlimited abundance, which becomes obvious when you remove the artificial self imposed limitations, such as beliefs like "there's a lack of money, so if I have X, it must have caused someone else to not have that X".  Me becoming a millionaire, or even a billionaire, does not have to cause anyone else to have less.  The only way that happens is if I choose to achieve wealth in a way that specifically causes that outcome intentionally.  I can choose to become wealthy in a variety of ways that do not do that.  Those who become wealthy by doing things like that are typically very immature souls who don't know better, who are making that mistake so they can incur the karma that corrects their misunderstanding and advances their maturity level through the experience.

You cannot see unlimited abundance if you have beliefs that contradict that and create artificial limitation and lack as a result.

As to responsibility, the only responsibility we have is to not harm others.  Me becoming wealthy does not obligate me to feed the poor, or fund a charity or invest in any particular venture capital option, or give money to anyone or help anyone else in any way.  It just means I have more potential for creating change.  Money/currency/wealth is just energy, and it is just a tool.  Just like a hammer, there is no obligation to use it or use it in a particular way.  Anything you can say that disagrees will come from your personally accepted beliefs, not from reality. 

You may have been taught that having wealth obligates you to help others in some way.  You may believe it.  But the fact is, there is no obligation but to do no harm.  And even that is severely warped and misunderstood by most people, because the concept of responsibility and personal responsibility is so twisted and warped these days.

If you are acting out of guilt/shame/fear, then you are acting because someone is manipulating you to do so - and it may be some part of yourself, or it may be someone else or some group.  But the manipulation remains a manipulation.

If I walk past someone who is homeless and begging for change, I have no obligation to help them.  Their own actions and choices got them where they are (in most cases) and in most cases, they will be where they are in life because their actions and choices continue to either hold them there or make that their preferred outcome for whatever reason.  No matter how wealthy, that remains true.  And even in cases where I encounter someone who is homeless because they are severely disabled, insane, etc. it is still not my responsibility to help them.  I can help them, I can choose to intervene, but me having a lot of money and intervening may be making them worse off if I do not intervene the right way.

If I give a beggar $5, what's he going to do with that?  Very good bet he's going to buy alcohol.  Alcohol means he's effectively using me to fund a drug habit of sorts, while avoiding taking personal responsibility for earning the money he uses to do that.  So if I give a beggar money, in most cases, I am not helping that person.  Instead, I am:

A) Allowing myself to be manipulated.
B) Allowing someone else to evade personal responsibility for themselves.
C) Funding a drug problem.
D) Teaching that person that lying to get what they want is perfectly acceptable.

None of those are good things.  So if someone approaches me for money, I will usually turn them down.  If I can see that they may genuinely be in need, I may help them by doing something that is not giving them money, but solves a need.  Getting them water, food, information, etc. But I do that only rarely, because most beggars are not genuinely in need of help, they just want to take advantage of other people's shame and guilt.  And even in cases where they genuinely need help, if I think my efforts to help will cause harm in some way, I am going to turn them down.

When I lived in Savannah Georgia, I was approached by a man who was in his early 20's who I instantly knew was a drug addict because of the track marks on his arms.  He gave me a sob story about how his newborn had no formula or diapers because momma had abandoned it to him and he couldn't find a job.  He asked for money.  I told him, "I'll get you some baby formula and diapers, but I will not give you money.  Let's go."  He immediately had an excuse why he had to leave.  Uh huh.  I thought so.

Now let's consider the "wealth does not exist in a vacuum" point.  If I have wealthy clients, are they doing hard work to have the money to pay me?  Many of them will not be.  Some will have retired.  Some will have inherited.  Some will be trust fund babies.  That's not labor and hard work in many of those cases. 

But what about where they got that money from?  Well, there's a variety of ways you can have money.  If you're Wal Mart, your clientele is largely poor people.  A lot of poor people, at least in the United States, do not work and earn their money.  Instead, they pop out babies and get on welfare.  And they believe they deserve this, because the government told them so.  Wal Mart therefore has to a significant degree become wealthy by serving those who, in large part, leach from the taxpayers while not working at all and using up resources freely. 

In the other direction, I know people who spend a few hours a day sitting in front of their computer and making stocks, forex or arbitrage.  I also know people who do not a damned thing, and make money on those things because they wrote a program to do the "work" for them.  Most such people lose money, but a small percentage do make a living at it, and some of them are quite wealthy as a result.  Did they earn the tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars they acquired doing these things?  Well, depends on how you define "earned".  If "you earn money with hard work" is your belief, then you're going to believe they didn't earn that money.  If your belief is that they did what it took for that money to come to them legally, then likely you will believe they did earn it. 

So no, the money that makes me wealthy does not automatically come from someone else's hard work and labor.  There will be people who work hard and do labor of some sort to earn their money.  But there are also plenty of other ways to have money flow to you, legal and otherwise.  The issue is that most people hold limiting beliefs and those limiting beliefs are intended to protect them from the scary infinity of possibilities they could experience and achieve by limiting what they can do and experience.  But those are the bars to a jail cell you built with those beliefs, which are based in fear, not reality.

Fair enough, I think we just see this differently, even when it comes to karma

As I understand it, karma isnt just about doing no harm or learning your own personal lessons. How we treat other people, our intentions and what we choose to do when we have the ability to help also matter. So I dont really see helping others as something that necessarily comes from guilt or manipulation, although of course it can

And I still dont really agree that wealth exists in a vacuum. At the end of the day, money gets its value from the real world around us. You can make millions from stocks or an algorithm without doing much actual labor yourself, sure, but that wealth still depends on a functioning society, other people working, producing things and providing services. None of it really works in isolation

But yeah. I think we just see this differently. I get where you are coming from though

I see the difference as "closed system" vs. "open system". 

In a closed system, resources can only be transferred from one location to another and/or transformed in some way. 

In an open system, resources can come to you without having to be removed from anyone else; transformation can still occur. 

Where do those resources come from in an open system? There is so little discussion of open systems, or even acknowledgement that an open system might exist, that I cannot address the question outside of Rule 4.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon,



I've been running Ascendant Alpha Male Subliminal Training Set v7.0, Stage 0 (6.5 Gen) since May 11, 2026.



I've been following this instruction set:

"If you DO NOT need this program to be ready for stages 1+, but you want to use it anyway: Use this program for 1 (One) loop (30 minutes total) per day on, for 1 (One) days on and 3 (Three) days off per usage cycle."



I haven't noticed any results so far. Should I have followed the alternative instruction set instead ("If you DO need this program to be ready for Stages 1+:")?

I didn't, as I don't have plans for the rest of AM7 maybe one day

For your usage and intent, you followed the correct instruction pattern, with one exception, which I will detail below.

I used the ultrasonic version for two months before switching to hybrid. There might be internal changes happening that I'm not aware of, but I haven't noticed anything concrete yet. Since the total run cycle is four months, do I have to stop once those four months are complete?

The exception is that you switched from ultrasonic to hybrid format.  The correct progression is always Ultrasonic --> Masked --> Hybrid.  Hybrid is always what people assume they need because they are stuck on "more is better".  In reality, the vast majority of people who do not get results from Ultrasonic format have that issue because the subliminalized audio is too loud volumetrically for their (very rare at this point) situation.  

In very rare cases, the person will have an overwhelm response to the volume and just give up, subconsciously believing they just can't do what is being asked at the level of urgency or speed they perceive the volume to be expressing.  The solution is to lower the volume, which can be done most effectively by using the Masked format.  If a couple months of Ultrasonic AND Masked format both fail to produce results, then we know that the issue is stonewalling, which is what Hybrid is used for overcoming.

Since you used Ultrasonic and then Hybrid and still report no results, we know that you will almost certainly get results from Masked format, because both of the others were overwhelming your subconscious.

However, because you did not use the formats in the correct progression, you will now have triggered such a degree of overwhelm that you will need a month or two off to try again with Masked.

Have you had this result from any other of my subliminals?  If so, which titles and what versions?

My goal was to stick with this program for as long as possible because it includes some great subs. I haven't been actively looking for results every day; I just realized recently how long I've been running it. Could you please advise on what I should do next such as a volume change, or if I should just stick to the current plan?

As I stated above, you are almost certainly in a state of complete subconscious overwhelm, at this point, and the only solution that can work is to stop using the program entirely for a month or two to allow the effects to fade and return to a state where you can be receptive again.  When you finish that time off, you can use the Masked format at the indicated volume and usage pattern, and it should work for you.

If you STILL do not get results after a couple months on Masked, please ask me for help in the thread for responses to my personal thread, and we will dive deeper into what can help.

I suggest that you not use subliminals at all while you're taking time off from Stage 0, so the recovery is both faster and certain to happen.

I received a discount on this sub, so I know I'm not eligible for a refund. I'm not worried about that though; I just want to get as much benefit from this program as possible. For reference, I previously had great success with AM6.

Thank you!

That you had great success on AM6 is actually very good news.  It means that what we need to do is find the right usage specifics, because you are clearly dealing with a serious "boulder in the road".  And to have a stonewalling response to 6.5G is VERY surprising.  It will be very rare that that is possible at this point, but I think we just need to approach with the right degree of gentleness balanced with push and you'll be fine.

[Shannon]

Posted here so we don't take over someone else's journal...


You are welcome to your point of view and opinion.  I'll explain my point of view a little better.

The reason I say that there is infinite wealth is that there is unlimited abundance, which becomes obvious when you remove the artificial self imposed limitations, such as beliefs like "there's a lack of money, so if I have X, it must have caused someone else to not have that X".  Me becoming a millionaire, or even a billionaire, does not have to cause anyone else to have less.  The only way that happens is if I choose to achieve wealth in a way that specifically causes that outcome intentionally.  I can choose to become wealthy in a variety of ways that do not do that.  Those who become wealthy by doing things like that are typically very immature souls who don't know better, who are making that mistake so they can incur the karma that corrects their misunderstanding and advances their maturity level through the experience.

You cannot see unlimited abundance if you have beliefs that contradict that and create artificial limitation and lack as a result.

As to responsibility, the only responsibility we have is to not harm others.  Me becoming wealthy does not obligate me to feed the poor, or fund a charity or invest in any particular venture capital option, or give money to anyone or help anyone else in any way.  It just means I have more potential for creating change.  Money/currency/wealth is just energy, and it is just a tool.  Just like a hammer, there is no obligation to use it or use it in a particular way.  Anything you can say that disagrees will come from your personally accepted beliefs, not from reality. 

You may have been taught that having wealth obligates you to help others in some way.  You may believe it.  But the fact is, there is no obligation but to do no harm.  And even that is severely warped and misunderstood by most people, because the concept of responsibility and personal responsibility is so twisted and warped these days.

If you are acting out of guilt/shame/fear, then you are acting because someone is manipulating you to do so - and it may be some part of yourself, or it may be someone else or some group.  But the manipulation remains a manipulation.

If I walk past someone who is homeless and begging for change, I have no obligation to help them.  Their own actions and choices got them where they are (in most cases) and in most cases, they will be where they are in life because their actions and choices continue to either hold them there or make that their preferred outcome for whatever reason.  No matter how wealthy, that remains true.  And even in cases where I encounter someone who is homeless because they are severely disabled, insane, etc. it is still not my responsibility to help them.  I can help them, I can choose to intervene, but me having a lot of money and intervening may be making them worse off if I do not intervene the right way.

If I give a beggar $5, what's he going to do with that?  Very good bet he's going to buy alcohol.  Alcohol means he's effectively using me to fund a drug habit of sorts, while avoiding taking personal responsibility for earning the money he uses to do that.  So if I give a beggar money, in most cases, I am not helping that person.  Instead, I am:

A) Allowing myself to be manipulated.
B) Allowing someone else to evade personal responsibility for themselves.
C) Funding a drug problem.
D) Teaching that person that lying to get what they want is perfectly acceptable.

None of those are good things.  So if someone approaches me for money, I will usually turn them down.  If I can see that they may genuinely be in need, I may help them by doing something that is not giving them money, but solves a need.  Getting them water, food, information, etc. But I do that only rarely, because most beggars are not genuinely in need of help, they just want to take advantage of other people's shame and guilt.  And even in cases where they genuinely need help, if I think my efforts to help will cause harm in some way, I am going to turn them down.

When I lived in Savannah Georgia, I was approached by a man who was in his early 20's who I instantly knew was a drug addict because of the track marks on his arms.  He gave me a sob story about how his newborn had no formula or diapers because momma had abandoned it to him and he couldn't find a job.  He asked for money.  I told him, "I'll get you some baby formula and diapers, but I will not give you money.  Let's go."  He immediately had an excuse why he had to leave.  Uh huh.  I thought so.

Now let's consider the "wealth does not exist in a vacuum" point.  If I have wealthy clients, are they doing hard work to have the money to pay me?  Many of them will not be.  Some will have retired.  Some will have inherited.  Some will be trust fund babies.  That's not labor and hard work in many of those cases. 

But what about where they got that money from?  Well, there's a variety of ways you can have money.  If you're Wal Mart, your clientele is largely poor people.  A lot of poor people, at least in the United States, do not work and earn their money.  Instead, they pop out babies and get on welfare.  And they believe they deserve this, because the government told them so.  Wal Mart therefore has to a significant degree become wealthy by serving those who, in large part, leach from the taxpayers while not working at all and using up resources freely. 

In the other direction, I know people who spend a few hours a day sitting in front of their computer and making stocks, forex or arbitrage.  I also know people who do not a damned thing, and make money on those things because they wrote a program to do the "work" for them.  Most such people lose money, but a small percentage do make a living at it, and some of them are quite wealthy as a result.  Did they earn the tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars they acquired doing these things?  Well, depends on how you define "earned".  If "you earn money with hard work" is your belief, then you're going to believe they didn't earn that money.  If your belief is that they did what it took for that money to come to them legally, then likely you will believe they did earn it. 

So no, the money that makes me wealthy does not automatically come from someone else's hard work and labor.  There will be people who work hard and do labor of some sort to earn their money.  But there are also plenty of other ways to have money flow to you, legal and otherwise.  The issue is that most people hold limiting beliefs and those limiting beliefs are intended to protect them from the scary infinity of possibilities they could experience and achieve by limiting what they can do and experience.  But those are the bars to a jail cell you built with those beliefs, which are based in fear, not reality.

Fair enough, I think we just see this differently, even when it comes to karma

As I understand it, karma isn't just about doing no harm or learning your own personal lessons. How we treat other people, our intentions and what we choose to do when we have the ability to help also matter. So I dont really see helping others as something that necessarily comes from guilt or manipulation, although of course it can[/quote]

My understanding after a lot of research and contemplation and consideration of my own experiences and those of others is that karma is a balance sheet.  If you go against the rules, you have the transgression recorded as a negative balance.  That balance must eventually be paid off, and it is done usually by experiencing the consequences of what you did to create that karmic debt.

You can also have a positive balance by doing what the laws of the universe and the rules are aiming for you to do.  Certainly helping others can make that happen, I agree with you on that.  But we have no obligation to do so, unless that is what we specifically incarnated to do in a given life.  If the life I have come to live is aimed at helping millions or billions of people at a time, for example, then trying to get too personally involved with helping one or a handful would degrade one's ability to help the larger group you came to help, and thus would be a net negative overall.  Likewise, of they came to experience poverty, you could be delaying their development by enabling them to experience something else, which is also a net negative.  I never said it was karma that was about doing no harm.  Doing no harm is tied to karma in that harm almost always incurs karmic debt; but in certain cases, a soul may be here specifically to experience harm in order to repay their karmic debt, for example having caused that harm previously, and trying to understand why it is undesirable by experiencing it for themselves.

And I still dont really agree that wealth exists in a vacuum. At the end of the day, money gets its value from the real world around us. You can make millions from stocks or an algorithm without doing much actual labor yourself, sure, but that wealth still depends on a functioning society, other people working, producing things and providing services. None of it really works in isolation

Money, currency, wealth gets it's entire value because a sufficient number of humans agree that it has that value, and act accordingly.  That is the entirety of why a thing is "worth something".  You can see this with the fluctuations of the stock market, and in bubbles like the tulip mania bubble in the 17th century.  The stock market, in the short term, fluctuates largely based on the moment to moment beliefs of the people participating in it, not the actual values of the companies involved.  That is why short sellers will frequently publish false or misleading "news" to scare people into selling, which then gives them a better return on their short position.

Fashionable tulip varieties became extraordinarily expensive because a group of people agreed that they were, and those people continued paying higher and higher prices until the bubble burst (they stopped agreeing on that being the value when they realized the perceived value did not match the actual value).  A dollar, a pound sterling, a ruble, a yen, etc. is worth what someone will give you in exchange for it; nothing less, and nothing more.  

By the way, I never said that wealth exists in a vacuum.  I said that abundance is infinite, if you understand the reality of the situation without artificially self imposed limitations.

The monetary system is not static in value.  When we were on the silver or gold standard, it was.  But there are apparently too many people and not enough gold and silver for everyone to have enough money, so they took us off the gold/silver standard (at least in the US) and now we have fiat money, backed by the "good word of the US government", which can print it on demand.  It is literally expensive paper with expensive printing on it, and the cost to make it is vastly less than the face value.  It can also be counterfeited.  The value a $100 bill has is, again, whatever you can exchange it for, nothing more and nothing less.  If I walk into a gas station and they will not accept it because it is too frequently counterfeit, then it has $0 in value.  If I go to a bank and they verify it is genuine, then it counts for some bits to flip and the number in my bank account ledger to increase by $100.  If I find someone who thinks it is worth 2, 3 or more times what it is usually worth, and successfully exchange it with them for the goods I want that I could normally otherwise spend $200, $300 or more to get, then it has that value.

But the monetary system is not a closed system, as you seem to be positing.  I will explain more about that in another post.

But yeah. I think we just see this differently. I get where you are coming from though

I'm just clarifying my understanding.

[Shannon]

Fair enough, I think we just see this differently, even when it comes to karma

As I understand it, karma isnt just about doing no harm or learning your own personal lessons. How we treat other people, our intentions and what we choose to do when we have the ability to help also matter. So I dont really see helping others as something that necessarily comes from guilt or manipulation, although of course it can

And I still dont really agree that wealth exists in a vacuum. At the end of the day, money gets its value from the real world around us. You can make millions from stocks or an algorithm without doing much actual labor yourself, sure, but that wealth still depends on a functioning society, other people working, producing things and providing services. None of it really works in isolation

But yeah. I think we just see this differently. I get where you are coming from though

I see the difference as "closed system" vs. "open system". 

In a closed system, resources can only be transferred from one location to another and/or transformed in some way. 

In an open system, resources can come to you without having to be removed from anyone else; transformation can still occur. 

Where do those resources come from in an open system? There is so little discussion of open systems, or even acknowledgement that an open system might exist, that I cannot address the question outside of Rule 4.

In an open system regarding wealth, the definition of wealth must be considered, and where we are specifically referring to money, we must remember that banks routinely create money out of thin air by charging interest on loans.  That is one of the big ways the monetary supply increases.  It is also, if I undewrstand correctly, one of the reasons we were taken off the standard of backing paper money with physical gold or silver, or using gold or silver directly.

I do not claim to be an expert on finance or economics.

But as to wealth, that comes in a variety of forms.  I am among the most wealthy people on the planet in the form of wealth that results from having a woman I can genuinely trust, love full blast, know without doubt that she loves me, and that we are completely open and honest with one another.  We are also faithful to one another.  That is almost mythically rare in current times in the United States, which means that aside from the value of my relationship with her in and of itself, the rarity alone makes it almost infinitely valuable.

If I can create value by making a subliminal that solves a pain point or a need, and I can find the price point at which the buyer and seller optimally agree on the value that solution holds, then as long as I can advertise it sufficiently, the market for that solution could be limited only by the number of humans on the planet.  

But ultimately wealth, money, value, currency are all simply a concept that multiple humans agree is true.  The value is set by them, and the value can be whatever they choose.  As such, the potential wealth for value of physical goods or services is effectively unlimited.  It is, to boil it down to it's most elemental form, nothing but energy, of which there is an unlimited amount.

[Have at ye]

I agree with wealth/economics being, in short, a way to call energy/the interchange of energy by a different name. Trouble is, though, some people prefer to hoard it and it keep it enclosed in a locked system, which results in a brutal zero-sum game for people who haven't yet realized they're being tricked, and that's why I'd also agree with callie's viewpoint.

Fascinating discussion!

[Shannon]

I agree with wealth/economics being, in short, a way to call energy/the interchange of energy by a different name. Trouble is, though, some people prefer to hoard it and it keep it enclosed in a locked system, which results in a brutal zero-sum game for people who haven't yet realized they're being tricked, and that's why I'd also agree with callie's viewpoint.

Fascinating discussion!

Hoarding it comes from a root of fear.  It also leads to stagnation.  The system is open, not closed, regardless of what you do with whatever portion you currently have control over.  

Think about it like this.  If I put a 10 gallon fish tank on the bottom of the ocean, and I seal it, them I "have control of" 10 gallons of water.  The system (the ocean) is still what it was before, and is unaffected.  

The system itself being open, it will tend to resist being unable to flow, and you'll notice the big picture result that people who hoard money and try to stop its flow tend to either stop gaining it, or they tend over time to lose what they have.  The energy that is the "money" wants to flow.  The game does not become zero sum because a person does not understand how to play it.

[Have at ye]

I agree with wealth/economics being, in short, a way to call energy/the interchange of energy by a different name. Trouble is, though, some people prefer to hoard it and it keep it enclosed in a locked system, which results in a brutal zero-sum game for people who haven't yet realized they're being tricked, and that's why I'd also agree with callie's viewpoint.

Fascinating discussion!

Hoarding it comes from a root of fear.  It also leads to stagnation.  The system is open, not closed, regardless of what you do with whatever portion you currently have control over.  

Think about it like this.  If I put a 10 gallon fish tank on the bottom of the ocean, and I seal it, them I "have control of" 10 gallons of water.  The system (the ocean) is still what it was before, and is unaffected.  

The system itself being open, it will tend to resist being unable to flow, and you'll notice the big picture result that people who hoard money and try to stop its flow tend to either stop gaining it, or they tend over time to lose what they have.  The energy that is the "money" wants to flow.  The game does not become zero sum because a person does not understand how to play it.

Interesting analogy, I get your point. I do hope that despite all attempts at creating a zero-sum game the "center will not hold" and the system will re-open itself for as many people as possible, given enough momentum.

[ReconGunner]

I see the difference as "closed system" vs. "open system". 

In a closed system, resources can only be transferred from one location to another and/or transformed in some way. 

In an open system, resources can come to you without having to be removed from anyone else; transformation can still occur. 

Where do those resources come from in an open system? There is so little discussion of open systems, or even acknowledgement that an open system might exist, that I cannot address the question outside of Rule 4.

In an open system regarding wealth, the definition of wealth must be considered, and where we are specifically referring to money, we must remember that banks routinely create money out of thin air by charging interest on loans.  That is one of the big ways the monetary supply increases.  It is also, if I undewrstand correctly, one of the reasons we were taken off the standard of backing paper money with physical gold or silver, or using gold or silver directly.

I do not claim to be an expert on finance or economics.

But as to wealth, that comes in a variety of forms.  I am among the most wealthy people on the planet in the form of wealth that results from having a woman I can genuinely trust, love full blast, know without doubt that she loves me, and that we are completely open and honest with one another.  We are also faithful to one another.  That is almost mythically rare in current times in the United States, which means that aside from the value of my relationship with her in and of itself, the rarity alone makes it almost infinitely valuable.

If I can create value by making a subliminal that solves a pain point or a need, and I can find the price point at which the buyer and seller optimally agree on the value that solution holds, then as long as I can advertise it sufficiently, the market for that solution could be limited only by the number of humans on the planet.  

But ultimately wealth, money, value, currency are all simply a concept that multiple humans agree is true.  The value is set by them, and the value can be whatever they choose.  As such, the potential wealth for value of physical goods or services is effectively unlimited.  It is, to boil it down to it's most elemental form, nothing but energy, of which there is an unlimited amount.

Fully agree. And you've said some things here that I couldn't put to words.

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon, I know this is a ways away but, I wanted to say that I Am really really looking forward to " Hormone Optimizer for Youthfulness"
sounds amazing, especially in 6.5G & especially since I Am now 68 years on the planet, now!!

I absolutely love love PRA2 & DRS3 combo and will be using them both, 'til at least Feb. 2027. Actually I Plan on using them for the rest of my life in fact, as needed! For now for at least 6 months , in total. Yes Folks its THAT GOOD !!

Again: " Hormone Optimizer for Youthfulness" sounds amazing, especially in 6.5G!!

[Shannon]

Shannon, I know this is a ways away but, I wanted to say that I Am really really looking forward to " Hormone Optimizer for Youthfulness"
sounds amazing, especially in 6.5G & especially since I Am now 68  years on the planet, now!!

I absolutely love love PRA2 & DRS3 combo and will be using them both, 'til at least Feb. 2027. Actually I Plan on using them for the rest of my life in fact, as needed!  For now for at least 6 months , in total. Yes Folks its THAT  GOOD !!

Again: " Hormone Optimizer for Youthfulness" sounds amazing, especially in 6.5G!!

Hormone Optimizer For Youthfulness is likely to be built in 2026.  I am also going to be building another program which is going to be a module in or a title in the Anti-Aging program or set, respectively, depending on how it is built in the end, which I am very much looking forward to as my experiments with this have shown very good results.  I think when you hear what it is, you'll be very pleasantly pleased and surprised.  I know enough to build it now, but I am struggling to get everything dealt with fast enough to be able to get to it.  Hopefully in 2026 also. 

There will be other titles or modules that will be built in this direction as well, with each supporting the overall goal of slowing, stopping or even reversing the aging process as I have enough understanding.  I'm not yet sure how best to release them, but most likely I will have to release them as stand alone titles to gather the information on how they work that is necessary to advance them.

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon, I know this is a ways away but, I wanted to say that I Am really really looking forward to " Hormone Optimizer for Youthfulness"
sounds amazing, especially in 6.5G & especially since I Am now 68  years on the planet, now!!

I absolutely love love PRA2 & DRS3 combo and will be using them both, 'til at least Feb. 2027. Actually I Plan on using them for the rest of my life in fact, as needed!  For now for at least 6 months , in total. Yes Folks its THAT  GOOD !!

Again: " Hormone Optimizer for Youthfulness" sounds amazing, especially in 6.5G!!

Hormone Optimizer For Youthfulness is likely to be built in 2026.  I am also going to be building another program which is going to be a module in or a title in the Anti-Aging program or set, respectively, depending on how it is built in the end, which I am very much looking forward to as my experiments with this have shown very good results.  I think when you hear what it is, you'll be very pleasantly pleased and surprised.  I know enough to build it now, but I am struggling to get everything dealt with fast enough to be able to get to it.  Hopefully in 2026 also. 

There will be other titles or modules that will be built in this direction as well, with each supporting the overall goal of slowing, stopping or even reversing the aging process as I have enough understanding.  I'm not yet sure how best to release them, but most likely I will have to release them as stand alone titles to gather the information on how they work that is necessary to advance them.

 Got cha. Thank You deeply ,Shannon.   Lookin' forward !!

[callie]

Fair enough, I think we just see this differently, even when it comes to karma 

As I understand it, karma isn't just about doing no harm or learning your own personal lessons. How we treat other people, our intentions and what we choose to do when we have the ability to help also matter. So I dont really see helping others as something that necessarily comes from guilt or manipulation, although of course it can

My understanding after a lot of research and contemplation and consideration of my own experiences and those of others is that karma is a balance sheet.  If you go against the rules, you have the transgression recorded as a negative balance.  That balance must eventually be paid off, and it is done usually by experiencing the consequences of what you did to create that karmic debt.

You can also have a positive balance by doing what the laws of the universe and the rules are aiming for you to do.  Certainly helping others can make that happen, I agree with you on that.  But we have no obligation to do so, unless that is what we specifically incarnated to do in a given life.  If the life I have come to live is aimed at helping millions or billions of people at a time, for example, then trying to get too personally involved with helping one or a handful would degrade one's ability to help the larger group you came to help, and thus would be a net negative overall.  Likewise, of they came to experience poverty, you could be delaying their development by enabling them to experience something else, which is also a net negative.  I never said it was karma that was about doing no harm.  Doing no harm is tied to karma in that harm almost always incurs karmic debt; but in certain cases, a soul may be here specifically to experience harm in order to repay their karmic debt, for example having caused that harm previously, and trying to understand why it is undesirable by experiencing it for themselves.

And I still dont really agree that wealth exists in a vacuum. At the end of the day, money gets its value from the real world around us. You can make millions from stocks or an algorithm without doing much actual labor yourself, sure, but that wealth still depends on a functioning society, other people working, producing things and providing services. None of it really works in isolation

Money, currency, wealth gets it's entire value because a sufficient number of humans agree that it has that value, and act accordingly.  That is the entirety of why a thing is "worth something".  You can see this with the fluctuations of the stock market, and in bubbles like the tulip mania bubble in the 17th century.  The stock market, in the short term, fluctuates largely based on the moment to moment beliefs of the people participating in it, not the actual values of the companies involved.  That is why short sellers will frequently publish false or misleading "news" to scare people into selling, which then gives them a better return on their short position.

Fashionable tulip varieties became extraordinarily expensive because a group of people agreed that they were, and those people continued paying higher and higher prices until the bubble burst (they stopped agreeing on that being the value when they realized the perceived value did not match the actual value).  A dollar, a pound sterling, a ruble, a yen, etc. is worth what someone will give you in exchange for it; nothing less, and nothing more.  

By the way, I never said that wealth exists in a vacuum.  I said that abundance is infinite, if you understand the reality of the situation without artificially self imposed limitations.

The monetary system is not static in value.  When we were on the silver or gold standard, it was.  But there are apparently too many people and not enough gold and silver for everyone to have enough money, so they took us off the gold/silver standard (at least in the US) and now we have fiat money, backed by the "good word of the US government", which can print it on demand.  It is literally expensive paper with expensive printing on it, and the cost to make it is vastly less than the face value.  It can also be counterfeited.  The value a $100 bill has is, again, whatever you can exchange it for, nothing more and nothing less.  If I walk into a gas station and they will not accept it because it is too frequently counterfeit, then it has $0 in value.  If I go to a bank and they verify it is genuine, then it counts for some bits to flip and the number in my bank account ledger to increase by $100.  If I find someone who thinks it is worth 2, 3 or more times what it is usually worth, and successfully exchange it with them for the goods I want that I could normally otherwise spend $200, $300 or more to get, then it has that value.

But the monetary system is not a closed system, as you seem to be positing.  I will explain more about that in another post.

But yeah. I think we just see this differently. I get where you are coming from though

I'm just clarifying my understanding.

Well.. To be honest, using reincarnation or ”soul lessons” as a reason not to intervene in someones suffering feels a bit too convenient to me, because we cant actually know what someone else supposedly incarnated to experience. And while fiat currency relies on shared trust, that trust only matters because money can be exchanged for real, finite things such as food, land, labor and energy which depend on a functioning society and economy