Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9

[Shannon]

@Shannon I can't find the newer AM7 suggestion thread so I'll post this here.

I'm not sure if AM6 was like this, or I just wasn't fully executing due to trauma, but just in case I'll mention this. It's like I was developing the roots, but no tree. I seemed to have been using frame defensively, focusing on my freedom, rather than my dominance (not dominance as in dominating people, but just the archetypal energy). For example instead of engaging with the world, I would withdraw when it didn't suit me. To an extent I think this can be great, but I think it should be balanced with external mastery. After all there's nothing to give up if you haven't climbed the mountain first. I think both are essential. If I had to pick one over the other, I'd pick internal every time, but if possible I'd rather have a balance of both. Life is meant to be lived, after all.

Btw if you ever have any questions feel free to ask me or the community here. I'm sure anyone who's ran AM6 would love to give feedback.

You can't find that thread because this time, there is no suggestion thread.  Such a thread isn't really useful because the program is already so complex, because the contents and specific goals are not known to the public in fine detail and because the majority of additions that are necessary have nothing to do with what most of the requests are asking for.  The requests I get are almost entirely for additions, and 90% of the additions requested are the equivalent of bolting a gasoline engine onto the hood of an electric vehicle.  It works in theory, but in reality it would just distract from the primary goal and bog things down.  So I'm going to handle the upgrade myself this time, both to streamline the speed of the process and make sure that we get everything focused on the core goal of AM itself.

I have been working through upgrading and optimizing the Master Key Script, and I have noted the deficiencies that resulted in that and have been actively correcting them.  It is astonishing how much my knowledge, understanding and expertise have grown since I published AM6 in 2011.

A little bit about AM7 and it's development so far:

Work is ongoing on upgrading and optimizing the Master Key Script, removing old "deadwood", adding new supporting statements where necessary and then adding entirely new goals that better support and achieve the program's intentions.

It also looks likely to end up being an 8 stage set, with stages 0 through 7.  Stage 0 is going to be "onboarding" for guys who need to achieve the minimum levels for succeeding with AM, or prep for guys who just want to be as fully ready as possible.

Stage 0 is going to be very significant and very important for the guys starting off from a place of very low masculine experience, expression and focus.  I think it's going to make a huge difference.  At the same time, it's going to be designed to be useful and valuable for guys who are not in need of developing core basics.  Guys who have the basics down (don't live with parents, don't live a life ruled and directed primarily by fear, aren't held back by societal and feminist propaganda designed and intended to confuse, derail, poison and weaken a man's understanding of what positive masculinity actually is, have some form of transportation suitable to achieve their needs, have gainful employment, etc.) will benefit from it as a sort of "warm up session".  

Then stages 1 through 6 will be the development and refinement standard arc, and Stage 7 will be the final development stage and maintenance pinnacle.  

AM7 after Stage 0 will be designed to get to the point and get to the goal, and if you aren't ready to hit the ground running, you will be dragged until you get on your feet again.  No excuses, no mercy.  As I said before, it's going to be boot camp if you're not already well developed in the right ways.

But there's going to be something I wasn't expecting.  According to the models, the program will be much more popular if, instead of simply removing Sex Magnet lead in, I replace the Sex Magnet lead-in with sexiness training and development.  That way we're not diluting the goals of the core aim, but we can add a layer of benefit that everyone can agree will be more aligned with a man's end goals and reasons for wanting to run this program in the first place.  This also allows us to serve all genetic males, not just heterosexual ones, while giving this benefit.

There is a lot of work to do and a long way to go, but it's taking shape now.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Please consider the use of auras and energy flooding in more subs going forward. I never accomplished the goals of DMSI (last version used was 3.2, I think), but the celebrity vibe was nice. I suspect the aura was a large part of why I executed Maverick well. I suspect the same thing for PM. And PRA as well (see Frosted's journal for more on that).

Between bathing/saturating the user in the appropriate energy and the feedback loop created by exposing others to that energy, it seems like the perfect one/two punch. I consciously see the effects in other people, so there's no doubt that my subconscious is picking up on that as well. And that suggests to me that this feedback loop is reinforcing the script.

 I would probably never run an aura only sub like XA-(number), but I'm very interested in subs that have aura scripting to support the primary goal.

Also,  if you choose to do this, please be transparent in the writeup. I had never considered running PRA until you acknowledged it had aura of love scripting (here on the forum). At that point, things in Frosted's journal made sense to me and I pulled the trigger. I probably would have run it sooner if the writeup was more forthcoming.

Energy flooding is standard in the Skeleton Script.  Generating an aura isn't always the best idea for one reason or another.  I wasn't trying to hide the Aura of Love in PRA, just forgot it was there while I was writing the description.  It's a very complex program.  But I'll take your feedback into consideration for the future.  Thanks for taking the time to share it. 

[StridingStrider]

Aura of Love is in PRA? Wow!

[Have at ye]

Aura of Love is in PRA? Wow!

Yup, and it works wonders for healing and being likeable to fine people.

[HMoody]

Is the maverick sales page written anywhere? I wanted to read it again as I am getting the urge to maybe buy it.

I will put it up for a short period of time to allow for anyone who currently wishes to purchase to do so.  But this is probably going to be the final time that it is available for purchase.

Itis live.  For a short period of time.  Anyone wants to buy it, get it now... because it's going away forever soon.

Why is it going away forever? Is it because you will rebuild it in 6G at some point?

[callie]

There is a category of trauma often referred to as developmental or attachment trauma. It typically forms very early in life, often beginning in the pre verbal stage and is relational in nature. It commonly involves chronic abandonment, neglect or misattunement by caregivers rather than discrete traumatic events. This type of trauma is often discussed as particularly complex and as having different underlying dynamics than classic event based PTSD

This type of trauma cluster is usually framed under CPTSD, but Im not sure how CPTSD is being defined within PRA. My question is whether PRA is intended to address this kind of early, attachment based trauma as well, or if it is primarily focused on more traditional forms of PTSD? @Shannon

My approach is not to define PTSD or CPTSD within the script, but create a generalized framework within which both can be approached and helped, with the differentiating factor being usage patterns in Version 1. Version 2 will be designed more specifically for CPTSD.

The design of PRA v1 is aimed at being able to work with any level of trauma at any level of awareness within  the brain/mind interface.  However, I concur that working with such early traumas is very challenging, as the awarenesses in play are verylimited in their perceptual and comprehensive capacity and awareness.  They tend to be purely emotional and instinctual in nature, the balance and focus being dependent on personality type.  

My girlfriend has traumas from 0-5 years old and then others from later.  She reports that she is getting results from PRA v1, although as expected, progress is slow, since the program is going at the pace she can handle.  But I have seen dramatic improvement in how she handles frustration and stressors since she started using this program.

Hope this helps.

V2 is going to be much more comprehensive and much more intricately detailed in what it does and can do, and how it approaches the process of trauma healing.

Alright

One thing I still struggle to understand and would like your input on is very early developmental trauma, specifically with abandonment involved. In these cases the body and mind never learned self-regulation, and there often isnt a clear “pre-trauma self” to return to, as there usually is with single event PTSD. When these layers open up, the profound hopelessness and terror can be extremely destabilizing

Early developmental trauma is formed in a relational context and is often said to be healed in relations. You mentioned that your girlfriend is reporting results from PRA, which makes me wonder whether that may be related to her having consistent relational safety and support from you. But for people who dont have any of that kind of consistent support, how do you see this working in practice?

This type of trauma tends to make it extremely difficult to form consistent relational support due to a pervasive sense of unsafety with others, which complicates the healing process and creates a kind of catch 22 for those that dont have it int he first place

[ncbeareatingman]

My approach is not to define PTSD or CPTSD within the script, but create a generalized framework within which both can be approached and helped, with the differentiating factor being usage patterns in Version 1. Version 2 will be designed more specifically for CPTSD.

The design of PRA v1 is aimed at being able to work with any level of trauma at any level of awareness within  the brain/mind interface.  However, I concur that working with such early traumas is very challenging, as the awarenesses in play are verylimited in their perceptual and comprehensive capacity and awareness.  They tend to be purely emotional and instinctual in nature, the balance and focus being dependent on personality type.  

My girlfriend has traumas from 0-5 years old and then others from later.  She reports that she is getting results from PRA v1, although as expected, progress is slow, since the program is going at the pace she can handle.  But I have seen dramatic improvement in how she handles frustration and stressors since she started using this program.

Hope this helps.

V2 is going to be much more comprehensive and much more intricately detailed in what it does and can do, and how it approaches the process of trauma healing.

Alright

One thing I still struggle to understand and would like your input on is very early developmental trauma, specifically with abandonment involved. In these cases the body and mind never learned self-regulation, and there often isnt a clear “pre-trauma self” to return to, as there usually is with single event PTSD. When these layers open up, the profound hopelessness and terror can be extremely destabilizing

Early developmental trauma is formed in a relational context and is often said to be healed in relations. You mentioned that your girlfriend is reporting results from PRA, which makes me wonder whether that may be related to her having consistent relational safety and support from you. But for people who dont have any of that kind of consistent support, how do you see this working in practice?

This type of trauma tends to make it extremely difficult to form consistent relational support due to a pervasive sense of unsafety with others, which complicates the healing process and creates a kind of catch 22 for those that dont have it int he first place

 Excellent Post and Question Calle !!!

[Shannon]

I will put it up for a short period of time to allow for anyone who currently wishes to purchase to do so.  But this is probably going to be the final time that it is available for purchase.

Itis live.  For a short period of time.  Anyone wants to buy it, get it now... because it's going away forever soon.

Why is it going away forever? Is it because you will rebuild it in 6G at some point?

It's because it was already retired and I'm only making it available on a whim.  There's no reason to make it available anymore.  Who wanted it has bought it.

[thectexperience1]

Why is it going away forever? Is it because you will rebuild it in 6G at some point?

It's because it was already retired and I'm only making it available on a whim.  There's no reason to make it available anymore.  Who wanted it has bought it.

Too bad. I imagined I'd run it one day. The talk at the time was that you had to be "ready" for it.

[ffaux]

Shannon, I’m stonewalling UMS 6g. I’ve gone from a relatively high motivation to absolutely zero motivation. I’m spending all of my time in leisure with no motivation to think about finances. Previously I was thinking and learning about economy and finance, and I was building a business using AI, but it has all disappeared. I’m currently in phase 3 of my second run. How should I address it?

I see two options:
1. Keep going.
2. Keep going but change volume/loops/format.

What should I do?

Alright, so on stage 3 of Run #2 and you're reaching a point of shutdown.  It is best under those conditions - for anyone experiencing this while using Ultrasonic format - to do the following to break through it:

1.  Switch to Hybrid format.
2. Change your volume to 7/15 (Android) or 8/16 (iPhone), through the cell phone's speakers, and within arm's reach.  For Android phones with more or less than 15 clicks of volume or other phones with a different number of clicks of volume, your volume goals here is as close as you can get the volume to 47% of maximum volume.

Thanks Shannon. Should I continue using hybrid for future stages and runs, or should I switch back to ultrasonic with stage 4?

[Frosted]

Is the maverick sales page written anywhere? I wanted to read it again as I am getting the urge to maybe buy it.

I will put it up for a short period of time to allow for anyone who currently wishes to purchase to do so.  But this is probably going to be the final time that it is available for purchase.

Itis live.  For a short period of time.  Anyone wants to buy it, get it now... because it's going away forever soon.

Are you planning on remaking Maverick in 6G at some point? I'm on the fence about the 5.9G version due to the 1600$ price tag. I know the program is more than worth it, I'm just worried it'll get rebuilt in a year or 2.

[Frosted]

@Shannon I can't find the newer AM7 suggestion thread so I'll post this here.

I'm not sure if AM6 was like this, or I just wasn't fully executing due to trauma, but just in case I'll mention this. It's like I was developing the roots, but no tree. I seemed to have been using frame defensively, focusing on my freedom, rather than my dominance (not dominance as in dominating people, but just the archetypal energy). For example instead of engaging with the world, I would withdraw when it didn't suit me. To an extent I think this can be great, but I think it should be balanced with external mastery. After all there's nothing to give up if you haven't climbed the mountain first. I think both are essential. If I had to pick one over the other, I'd pick internal every time, but if possible I'd rather have a balance of both. Life is meant to be lived, after all.

Btw if you ever have any questions feel free to ask me or the community here. I'm sure anyone who's ran AM6 would love to give feedback.

You can't find that thread because this time, there is no suggestion thread.  Such a thread isn't really useful because the program is already so complex, because the contents and specific goals are not known to the public in fine detail and because the majority of additions that are necessary have nothing to do with what most of the requests are asking for.  The requests I get are almost entirely for additions, and 90% of the additions requested are the equivalent of bolting a gasoline engine onto the hood of an electric vehicle.  It works in theory, but in reality it would just distract from the primary goal and bog things down.  So I'm going to handle the upgrade myself this time, both to streamline the speed of the process and make sure that we get everything focused on the core goal of AM itself.

I have been working through upgrading and optimizing the Master Key Script, and I have noted the deficiencies that resulted in that and have been actively correcting them.  It is astonishing how much my knowledge, understanding and expertise have grown since I published AM6 in 2011.

A little bit about AM7 and it's development so far:

Work is ongoing on upgrading and optimizing the Master Key Script, removing old "deadwood", adding new supporting statements where necessary and then adding entirely new goals that better support and achieve the program's intentions.

It also looks likely to end up being an 8 stage set, with stages 0 through 7.  Stage 0 is going to be "onboarding" for guys who need to achieve the minimum levels for succeeding with AM, or prep for guys who just want to be as fully ready as possible.

Stage 0 is going to be very significant and very important for the guys starting off from a place of very low masculine experience, expression and focus.  I think it's going to make a huge difference.  At the same time, it's going to be designed to be useful and valuable for guys who are not in need of developing core basics.  Guys who have the basics down (don't live with parents, don't live a life ruled and directed primarily by fear, aren't held back by societal and feminist propaganda designed and intended to confuse, derail, poison and weaken a man's understanding of what positive masculinity actually is, have some form of transportation suitable to achieve their needs, have gainful employment, etc.) will benefit from it as a sort of "warm up session".  

Then stages 1 through 6 will be the development and refinement standard arc, and Stage 7 will be the final development stage and maintenance pinnacle.  

AM7 after Stage 0 will be designed to get to the point and get to the goal, and if you aren't ready to hit the ground running, you will be dragged until you get on your feet again.  No excuses, no mercy.  As I said before, it's going to be boot camp if you're not already well developed in the right ways.

But there's going to be something I wasn't expecting.  According to the models, the program will be much more popular if, instead of simply removing Sex Magnet lead in, I replace the Sex Magnet lead-in with sexiness training and development.  That way we're not diluting the goals of the core aim, but we can add a layer of benefit that everyone can agree will be more aligned with a man's end goals and reasons for wanting to run this program in the first place.  This also allows us to serve all genetic males, not just heterosexual ones, while giving this benefit.

There is a lot of work to do and a long way to go, but it's taking shape now.

Okay that makes sense that the work is so technical that random additions from us without seeing what is going on under the hood would be counterproductive. I'm glad you found and corrected one of the imbalances in AM6. With that alone I'm excited, not to mention everything else I'm hearing. Green flags all around. AM7 is sounding like it's going to be a fucking masterpiece!

[NOMAD]

Green flags all around. AM7 is sounding like it's going to be a fucking masterpiece!

Agreed. And the sexiness training is a welcome addition. I'm really looking forward to its release.

[ncbeareatingman]

Green flags all around. AM7 is sounding like it's going to be a fucking masterpiece!

Agreed. And the sexiness training is a welcome addition. I'm really looking forward to its release.

 Yeah this is gonna be a very powerful AM7 program. damn Sam , really powerful.  8 levels including zero.... how much? A half a Million $'s.
My guess is 5,000$. or more. Yeah I know its Bold to say that ,this early on ,but that "Guess" is not entirely out of the question.