Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Shannon]

Pleased to hear you got through it. I got through it also.

I am late publishing the 2nd title this month because of the work that I did on making that easier.  The next title should drop today or tomorrow.  And then I am planning to focus on DMSI v5.

I know you all have questions about DMSI v5, so I will answer some of the more obvious ones now.

1. No, I don't know how long it will take to develop and publish.  Work on it has been ongoing in the background because of the amount of complexity it represents.  The decade plus long script development left the script in a very strange state relative to how a 6G standard script is configured, so I have had to spend considerable time making it ready to work on.  I estimate approximately 2-4 weeks to build and publish, but if you've been here for any length of time, you'll know my estimates regarding time are typically wrong to the short side, so don't be surprised if it takes longer.

2. DMSI v5 will be available to those who's first purchase of DMSI was v1.x or v2.x for free; if you started with v3.x, it will be full price. To claim this option, you will have to provide Ben on the back end with proof that you first purchased v1.x or v2.x.  Thereafter, you will be provided with a gift certificate equal to the price, which can be used for that version of DMSI to make it free for you.

3. This will complete and fully satisfy the statement I made regarding DMSI being free until it works.  If this version does not work for the majority, we will consider this the end of the line for DMSI.  If it does  work for the majority, I will consider building one more version in 1+ years which would be a Premium.  It would be free to nobody.

4. DMSI v5 will be built using the latest FRM.  

5. DMSI v5 will be the script of DMSI v4, upgraded to 6G scripting conventions, optimized for 6G, adjusted to add the latest FRM and to make it compatible with Maverick.  This does not mean you can use them both at once; it means that the cause of the incompatibility will be removed, so you will not potentially have the two programs interacting in ways that may cause problems.

6. If there is ever a v6, it will involve additional development of the Key Script to give it more capabilities than v4/5 have. V5 will not be adding anything to it because I need to understand how 6G affects its execution, and because the script is already rather ridiculously long and complex.

7. For those who purchased DMSI v3.x or later as their first purchase, there will be no discount or price reduction if you want a copy of v5.0.  If this makes you pause in considering a purchase, then consider either subscribing or waiting until feedback as to how well it works for the majority of users comes in after a few months.

I will be trying to get to forum work and answering the forum as soon as possible.  Been suffering endless distractions, delays and reasons why I cannot work as much as I would like recently, which should be solved in the not too distant future.

Awesome to see a new upgrade coming and a very pleasant surprise that it will be a free upgrade for those who started with the very earliest versions. As far as proof I assume that a screenshot of the order will suffice for Ben on the backend? Additionally I'm assuming you want us to wait till you've released it before we send Ben the proof or should we do it now?

Also Congrats on achieving 6G! I know it's been a long time coming!

When it is released, just send Ben your order number that proves the purchase and he can look it up to verify.

Thank you for the congratulations.  A long time, indeed.

[Shannon]

When did v1 and v2 come out and what generation were they? I've been using different versions of DMSI since 2016, but think all of them were v3 onwards.

I'm just curious, I have no issue with buying the next one. ?

I was gonna say 2011, 2012, but the wayback machine seems to contradict that.

[Shannon]

@Shannon any guess when AM7 will be released? And could you please add more payment options rather than paypal, We dont have paypal in our country and t will be hard for me find an account to pay. Apple pay or visa-master credit cards would be very good

AM 7 is a lot like DMSI 5.  Just prepping the script for build is taking a along time.  It's been in prep for a while now in the background.  I don't know when it will come out, but I do know it will be after the program I publish after DMSI v5.  Beyond that, don't know yet.

At current, PayPal is sour only option because we have received nothing but runaround from all the other payment processors we have tried.  I'll keep at it, but for some reason, they don't seem to want our business, no matter how interested they seem at first.

[Shannon]

June 2016 (the earliest archive) for v1

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www...istibility

July 2016 (the earliest archive) for v2

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www...istibility

December 2016 (the earliest archive) for v3

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www...lity-3-0-1

For further confirmation, simply go back to read previous threads

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...Discussion
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...Journal-V2

Taking a quick look at Inbox and found my order confirmation with the original links to download v1, it's dated 26-Jun-2016 so that's good to go then.

Still looking forward to that Premium one, though. Who doesn't want something that in 6G these days?

I think the first version was called Aura of Sexual Irresistibility (AOSI).

[Shannon]

Shannon, if only those who purchased v2.x are eligible for v5 for free, how come those who purchased v3.x got free updates prior to that? why change that now?

Well, when I stated that they would be free upgrades until it worked, I didn't know that I would be releasing 18 versions and still having trouble.  You have to admit, that's an insane amount of work to just give away, regardless of what I stated.  

In this case, I would like to make at least SOME money on this build.  If I was to release this title without giving it away, it would make me an estimated 1.625 MILLION dollars, gross, at a minimum.  As it stands, I am effectively throwing that away to honor a "promise" that turned out to be a very bad deal for me, apparently because the majority of men are afraid of sex.  That is not something I am exactly happy to do, but I know that arguing my case will get nowhere, so I am giving it away to v1 and v2 buyers free and ending the free upgrades, and stipulating that unless it works well enough to make it worth my while, I am not building it again.


I did a poll to see what you guys think, and I ran it through the models.  The balance point where everyone is happiest overall in both cases seems to be this approach.  No matter what I do, someone will be unhappy, which is part of why I am ready to throw in the towel on this.  No matter what, I lose, and so do some of my customers.  I like win win, not lose.

So this is where we are and this is how it goes down.  My apologies to anyone who feels like they're not being treated fairly.

[Lowe]

Hi Shannon,

Posting this question again here since you might've missed it (since it was a while ago):

It has been a few years since the last Manifestation subs came out. I recall vaguely that you wanted to improve it before publishing new titles.

In my case, and I am sure for many others here, sex is nice to have but in the long run, many would prefer a stable, long-term partner.

How is progress on that end? Should we expect 6G subs in this area at some point?

Thanks.

[HMoody]

June 2016 (the earliest archive) for v1

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www...istibility

July 2016 (the earliest archive) for v2

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www...istibility

December 2016 (the earliest archive) for v3

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www...lity-3-0-1

For further confirmation, simply go back to read previous threads

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...Discussion
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...Journal-V2

Taking a quick look at Inbox and found my order confirmation with the original links to download v1, it's dated 26-Jun-2016 so that's good to go then.

Still looking forward to that Premium one, though. Who doesn't want something that in 6G these days?

I think the first version was called Aura of Sexual Irresistibility (AOSI).

Actually it was called Develop Aura of Sexual Irresistibility(DAOSI). That was V1. Everyone after V1 was a DMSI.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon,

Posting this question again here since you might've missed it (since it was a while ago):

It has been a few years since the last Manifestation subs came out. I recall vaguely that you wanted to improve it before publishing new titles.

In my case, and I am sure for many others here, sex is nice to have but in the long run, many would prefer a stable, long-term partner.

How is progress on that end? Should we expect 6G subs in this area at some point?

Thanks.

I've been ready to publish those for a while now.  I'm just scrambling to get through the initial rush of demand for stuff in 6G.  Maybe I'll do one of those sooner than later.

[HMoody]

Awesome to see a new upgrade coming and a very pleasant surprise that it will be a free upgrade for those who started with the very earliest versions. As far as proof I assume that a screenshot of the order will suffice for Ben on the backend? Additionally I'm assuming you want us to wait till you've released it before we send Ben the proof or should we do it now?

Also Congrats on achieving 6G! I know it's been a long time coming!

When it is released, just send Ben your order number that proves the purchase and he can look it up to verify.

Thank you for the congratulations.  A long time, indeed.

Perfect. I'm excited to see it come out! OSC has been great so far as a demonstration of 6G. 

[Choice]

Shannon, if only those who purchased v2.x are eligible for v5 for free, how come those who purchased v3.x got free updates prior to that? why change that now?

Well, when I stated that they would be free upgrades until it worked, I didn't know that I would be releasing 18 versions and still having trouble.  You have to admit, that's an insane amount of work to just give away, regardless of what I stated.  

In this case, I would like to make at least SOME money on this build.  If I was to release this title without giving it away, it would make me an estimated 1.625 MILLION dollars, gross, at a minimum.  As it stands, I am effectively throwing that away to honor a "promise" that turned out to be a very bad deal for me, apparently because the majority of men are afraid of sex.  That is not something I am exactly happy to do, but I know that arguing my case will get nowhere, so I am giving it away to v1 and v2 buyers free and ending the free upgrades, and stipulating that unless it works well enough to make it worth my while, I am not building it again.


I did a poll to see what you guys think, and I ran it through the models.  The balance point where everyone is happiest overall in both cases seems to be this approach.  No matter what I do, someone will be unhappy, which is part of why I am ready to throw in the towel on this.  No matter what, I lose, and so do some of my customers.  I like win win, not lose.

So this is where we are and this is how it goes down.  My apologies to anyone who feels like they're not being treated fairly.

I get what you're saying, so why not make it for example free UP TO the version you stopped giving out free updates where everyone was required to buy a copy. I believe that was v3.4 or v3.5 if I remember correctly. wouldn't that be a better balance point? I personally purchased v3.0 in 2016 when there was still variants A and B to it.

[ichigo]

That's very generous and kind of you to offer the upgrade of DMSI to some people for free, Shannon. I thought 3.5 was the last free version. 

I don't think I'm going to get it though, I'm on X4A 6G and think I'll wait for X4A premium (X4A-2000 I think its been labelled)? Are there any updates with that, last I heard I think it was in testing and could potentially be released in a month or so?

[Shannon]

Well, when I stated that they would be free upgrades until it worked, I didn't know that I would be releasing 18 versions and still having trouble.  You have to admit, that's an insane amount of work to just give away, regardless of what I stated.  

In this case, I would like to make at least SOME money on this build.  If I was to release this title without giving it away, it would make me an estimated 1.625 MILLION dollars, gross, at a minimum.  As it stands, I am effectively throwing that away to honor a "promise" that turned out to be a very bad deal for me, apparently because the majority of men are afraid of sex.  That is not something I am exactly happy to do, but I know that arguing my case will get nowhere, so I am giving it away to v1 and v2 buyers free and ending the free upgrades, and stipulating that unless it works well enough to make it worth my while, I am not building it again.


I did a poll to see what you guys think, and I ran it through the models.  The balance point where everyone is happiest overall in both cases seems to be this approach.  No matter what I do, someone will be unhappy, which is part of why I am ready to throw in the towel on this.  No matter what, I lose, and so do some of my customers.  I like win win, not lose.

So this is where we are and this is how it goes down.  My apologies to anyone who feels like they're not being treated fairly.

I get what you're saying, so why not make it for example free UP TO the version you stopped giving out free updates where everyone was required to buy a copy. I believe that was v3.4 or v3.5 if I remember correctly. wouldn't that be a better balance point? I personally purchased v3.0 in 2016 when there was still variants A and B to it.

I will have to give it some thought and do a little more modeling on this.

[Shannon]

That's very generous and kind of you to offer the upgrade of DMSI to some people for free, Shannon. I thought 3.5 was the last free version. 



I don't think I'm going to get it though, I'm on X4A 6G and think I'll wait for X4A premium (X4A-2000 I think its been labelled)? Are there any updates with that, last I heard I think it was in testing and could potentially be released in a month or so?

The X4A that comes out as a Premium will not be X4A-2000.

I am currently unable to work on the Premium version of X4A because I had to build EHPRA v7, and now I have to work on DMSI v5.  I also have to publish at least one other thing in August, because most people will be getting DMSI for free.  So it seems likely that the Premium won't even be built to begin testing until around the 15th of September.


And then we'll wait 1-3 months to see how it performs in testing.

[Choice]

I get what you're saying, so why not make it for example free UP TO the version you stopped giving out free updates where everyone was required to buy a copy. I believe that was v3.4 or v3.5 if I remember correctly. wouldn't that be a better balance point? I personally purchased v3.0 in 2016 when there was still variants A and B to it.

I will have to give it some thought and do a little more modeling on this.

Thank you Shannon for considering it, whatever decision you make.