Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Shannon]

I find a number of serious errors in your post here that tell me that your understanding of the subconscious and how to make safe and effective subliminals is not what you seem to think it is.  I'll give you one example, because it is not possible for me to respond to everything given the restraints on my time. 



You state that the subconscious is "stupid as a rock".  That belief can only come from one of two things: Either you're still using research that was done between 1930's and 1980's, or you conclude that because you don't understand the subconscious well enough to know better.  On the contrary, your subconscious is vastly smarter and more capable than your conscious mind is, and my decades of research and experiments have borne that out more than a few dozen times now.



Given how fundamental the understanding of the falsity of that one thing is to making subliminals, I can only conclude that you have arrived at multiple other errors in logic and judgement as to how to make safe and useful subliminal scripts. 



You also state that you might one day tell me how to do mind control.  My customers come to me because they trust that I will never take away their free will.  Mind control is not my goal.  However, I have known how to do two different forms of mind control for more than 12 years now.  I have no use for mind control.



Your apparent willingness to use mind control tells me that you are not aware of the costs and consequences of using such a thing, or you don't care.  Neither is a good thing.



I suggest that before you would purport to teach someone how to make subliminals, you make sure you know how to do what you are claiming to know how to do.  So I have serious doubts about you really having sufficient understanding of the subconscious to make safe and useful subliminal scripts, and I have questions about your morals.  This post also smacks of ego and attention seeking.  I am not impressed so far.

I do love to discuss all mind related issues and am honestly interested in hearing all points of view, regardless of how much one might disagree.

 

My knowledge of the ‘subconscious’ doesn’t com from books but from direct connection to it since I remember being alive. Before I even knew that subliminals existed I was already teaching all about it. Before I knew what subliminals were I was already giving public speeches and in-field seduction bootcamps. All based on my knowledge of the ‘subconscious’. I was in fact teaching other Seduction gurus. I was hanging with ‘Ars Amorata’ (the company of Zan Perrion), and all the top gurus back then.

Every person on earth has a direct connection to their own subconscious from before birth.  That doesn't mean you know anything about it or are suited to teaching about it.  And telling me you were teaching PUA gurus and name dropping has nothing to do with evidence that you understand the subconscious, or what it is or entails, or that you are fit to be teaching anything.

I put ‘subconscious’ in-between quotes because it’s not the real name, let alone ‘subconscious mind’. those are man made concepts trying to explain something they cannot truly understand. What people name ‘subconscious mind’ is part of something much bigger, which, in turn, is connected to a field of pure knowledge that can be also be accessed ‘consciously’, thereby making the ‘conscious mind’ infinitely smarter (in understanding) than the ‘subconscious’ one. The ‘conscious’ part is a singletasker, the ‘subconscious’ part is a multitasker. The ‘subconscious’ is akin to an autist person, capable of doing insane feats, such as instantly deciphering highly encoded/encrypted subliminals, something that we would need a million years to decipher. Yet, it cannot reason at all, else one wouldn’t need to make giant scripts so achieve a single objective such as confidence. Saying, ‘make me confident’ would be enough.

You get bits and pieces right, but this (unsurprisingly) tells me again that you really don't understand what you're talking about with endless confidence.

The ’subconscious’ doesn’t even understand what ‘conscious’, ‘subconscious’ and ‘unconscious’ means. It tends to mix the meaning of ‘conscience’ into ‘consciousness’ and ‘conscious’. It understands ‘conscious mind’ as a mind that is aware of consequences. It understands ‘unconscious mind’ as a mind that isn’t aware of consequences, when we, in fact, understand ‘subconscious/unconscious mind’ as the part of the mind that exists or deals with the data below the threshold of conscious awareness.

You are very incorrect here.  This may be true for your unique subconscious mind, but it is not even slightly true for the rest of the population.

 

If I didn’t know what I’m talking about, my [removed] subliminals wouldn’t have been used by gamers to become world champions; by journalists; by influencers; by politicians right up the several heads of state that you know; by entire cast of TV shows from my country…

If I didn’t know what I’m talking about, I wouldn’t have aroused the interest of the biggest Intel agencies and military.

If I didn’t know what I’m talking about, the Israeli M0ssad wouldn’t have tried to get into two of my houses to bug them. *caught by the military

If I didn’t know what I’m talking about, they wouldn’t then have rented 2 apartments in the building in front of mine, right in front of my windows, to use long range mics and cameras to spy on everything I do and say inside my house. *caught by the military

If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be on my forum bragging about this with claims you offer no evidence for, and making ridiculous claims at that.  

And by the way, the word I removed, I removed breaks our rules by acting as advertising for your subliminals, which we do not allow on this forum.  Please remove that wordfrom your post above that I am replying to.


 

In this industry, if you are really that good, or have potential to be so, you are offered a deal you can’t refuse. If you don’t play ball, you are usually framed and killed with the intent to steal all your work during the investigation. This is what they tried to do to me. One of their agents seduced a female two floors below mine and once they got access to that apartment, they used their most effective military M.K tech on me. My smartphone became the weapon. I close my eyes. A few seconds later, I was in a sort of hybrid between extremely deep hypnosis and a near death experience. This is basically alien tech for all intents and purposes. There is nothing in this world that resembles the experience. Every second gone by I was going to depths of my mind that I didn’t even know existed, nothing else existed except the instruction… no body… no future… no past… no nothing… visuals were kicking in which should be impossible because I lost my visual imagination when I was a child… They make you go through your mission in your head and your mind cannot differentiate between it and the real thing. The mission being: the killing of your loved one (they are this evil) followed by killing yourself or act as a madman with no recollection of the experience, which will then serve as an excuse for an investigation where they seize all evidence (your research).


If I wasn’t exposed to my own subliminals which interfered with their tech and if I didn’t have this ability to snap out of dreams, altered states of mind, and so on, I would have been long gone by now.

I hate to tell you this, but this genuinely sounds like a paranoid delusional fantasy.  I have a hard time coming to terms with what you say, especially given how simple it would be for "them" to simply knock on your door, put a gun to your head when you open it, step inside and do whatever they want to you and your research.  It's really that simple for whatever "they" want to do to your loved ones, as well.  Fancy "alien tech" is a lot of time, money and effort that doesn't do it any better.  This is not even slightly believable.

As you can see, the most advanced tech in the world is 100% directed at the ‘conscious’ part of us. They never once mention the word ‘subconscious’ in their scripts. They do mention the much bigger thing that the subconscious is part of, repeatedly. In fact, they used it as a trigger.

I also don’t mention the word ‘subconscious’ a single time when doing mind control.[/quote]

Again... not believable, so not applicable.  Additionally this raises the question of how you know what's in "their" scripts.

 

As for the ‘mind control’ definition: We both have completely distinct definitions. You see it exactly as A.I does, something evil, usually used on people without their knowledge. Minus the mind control, isn’t that the very definition of your “extreme social proof aphrodisiac?”


I see ‘Mind control’ as what every single one of us wants to achieve with the use of subliminals: Control our mind, getting us to do what we want to do but can’t. Getting us to study or approach women or not give a f… about what other people think of us. Whatever each case might be.

 
Re-defining a term that is commonly understood to mean something other than what you define it as, without first alerting those you are communicating with to your differing definition, is a method for manipulation.  If you were being genuine, you would have either used the term in the standard definition (which is accepted by society as a whole) or you would have provided your unusual definition at the outset.  Instead, you waited until I acted from the standard definition to claim a new definition, and thus appear to be attempting to show yourself as being enlightened in comparison.  This is mind games, or perhaps in the standard definition of the term, an attempt at a form of mind control.

Extreme Social Proof is neither form of mind control, because it presents a hypothetical.  It does not take away anyone's free will or make ant choices for anyone.

The reason why I can’t control it is because while developing stronger meta scripting, I realized that former scripts were still in my head interacting with the newest script I was developing. During that period, I couldn’t develop anything. I simply didn’t know which scripts were actually active. The solution (trial and error) was to ‘reset’ everything, especially by deleting those things preventing the newer script from working.

Tried a script: didn’t work! rewrote it: didn’t work: rewrote it again: didn’t work. By the second day I noticed that I was finishing all my sentences with the word “man” like I used to when I was a teenager. Upon further inspection I started to realize that I couldn’t access any memories, associations and feelings related to experiences I had during most of my adult life. Soon I started to realize that even my personality and all my self development were gone… I somehow deleted everything about me and my life until the only thing left was my dumb inner child. And I never saw it happen nor did I feel any resistance or processing. The worst part about it is that I don’t even know which script or interactions of scripts managed to do it because I kept overwriting them, disappointed that none of them were working. I lost all of it, my intellect, my confidence, everything that made me the man I was. Basically, I semi-lobotomized myself and since then I haven’t been able to work on subliminals. Suddenly, the scripts that used to work wonders for me no longer worked. Not mine, not yours, not anyone’s.

So this is why I strongly advise against using subliminals from multiple producers, especially at the same time.  This is also why I don't test my subliminals that way.  You can severely damage yourself mentally, emotionally and in other ways as well by experimenting on yourself without knowing what you're doing, which you clearly don't given what you've said here.  

Overcoming fear used to be my holy grail. All of a sudden, removing fears didn’t fix anything anymore. Even without fear I still had all the other problems of my inner child. And this is where that list I wrote comes from. It’s the topics that I’ve trialed and errored to understand what was needed to become once again the man that I was. Off course, it was written in simplistic terms. It’s more about concepts that I’ve tried to put into words. I don’t even use the word victorious or winner. I prefer the concept of ambition. The sexual things for example must be seen through the lenses of beauty, connection and intimacy with our partner and so on. One must grasp the more profound meaning of those traits I suggested.

Your damage to yourself by using subliminals from multiple providers, plus those you created yourself without really understanding what you were doing or testing them in a safe manner, is likely why subliminals don't work for you anymore.  In your shoes, I would stop using subliminals altogether, stop producing them, and absolutely stop letting anyone else use the ones you have created either.

 

Anyway, I’ll finish off with an example of what ‘simple’ tricks which aren’t even mind control can do:



After all these years, doing not only your subliminals but your main competitor subliminals, both foundational and seduction titles. 3 years later I was still in the same place. I got pissed off from all the wasted time (I’m 45 now).

Enraged I picked up one of my older subliminals, gathered all my strength to come up with a clear mind that would allow me to think about subliminals, added pieces of my 'mind control' subliminals to the old script, change the topic to seduction and guess what, after two days. Kaboom!! Was at the gym, cute female comes to machine next to mine, starts doing pull-downs. This triggers my script! Script ‘mind controls’ me to, with a deep resonant voice, ask: Need a hand? She replies –“No need, thank you”. One minute later, “script again, ‘mind controls’ me to help her anyway and I obey… long story short. Next thing I know we’re friends and she’s into me.



Next days the same thing. Approaching the hottest female, help her with pull down without even asking. With a deep resonant voice right in her ear I say when she's about to lose strength -"let's go, one more". Result: all into me after that.



Every single day I would approach a new one or interact with the ones I already knew. Then, they started to approach me also, with the excuse to train in the same machine together.



Not long after, I go to the gym in pajamas (something that never in my life I would do! Ever!) Females absolutely loved it. Men were looking puzzled, like –“Is this guy really wearing pajamas? WTF”

What a time: Went from 3 years of torture and being invisible at that gym, using every subliminal out there, not talking to anyone at all, to, in less than 3 days, seeing it all change, making lots of female and male friends, having most if not all the hottest females in the gym into me.



The script had all those topics I mentioned included, even if not mentioned directly in the script. The script was not even ‘mind control’, it was an emulation of it, very mild but still very effective, yet it still crushed me when I had to abandon it all to move to another part of the country and leave my new, beaming with light life, behind. Now when I try using it, I start to feel that last part all over again and I just run from it. My head is not where it should be to find and correct the problem. Nor do I have the time or energy since my life right now, with the exception of this week of holydays, is work, work, work, work!



This is the problem of working alone. When you screw yourself there is no one there to help you solve the problem.

I have seen before - it is very rare, but I have seen it - where people who have certain specific psychological traits and factors in play will reject subliminals unless they create the script themselves.  That is an easy way to explain your results.  That says absolutely nothing as to how much you understand about the subconscious or how to safely script or build a subliminal.

 

Anyway, at least, it’s still good to carry on a conversation about the subject. Besides, no one is wrong in this area. There are so many ways to do subliminals and mind ctrl.

The concept of "my truth" vs "objective truth" throws the value of any "truth" out the window.  There may be many ways to do subliminals, but there is a right way and a wrong way to do them for sure.  The right way is to be sure of what you're doing before you do it, make sure it's safe, make sure you understand the psychology behind it and how it works and to never allow anyone else to use a subliminal you're not sure is safe.  I'm not here to teach anyone how to do this, or take lessons.  I do my research, experiments and development privately because I know that anything I come up with will be gleefully stolen by everyone who gets half a chance,and most of it would not be understood, so that its use would create issues of safety and potential harm when it was used incorrectly.  I also know that plenty would be happy to use the things I know to attempt mind control (in the standard definition) and use it maliciously to get what they want.  My goal isn't to contribute to the negatives of humanity.  There are plenty who are doing that already. 

I also have limited time to do "forum work" each day, because I am very busy doing research, development, experiments, gathering feedback from testers and building new subliminals.  That means that every time someone shows up and writes a novel that I have to respond to, it spends time I don't have to do so, and my work gets delayed.  Your purpose here in writing this latest very long post - after I told you I don't have a lot of time for very long pots in the last one - seems to be to show off, prove yourself, brag and have a conversation about the topic.  Maybe you're trying to teach me, maybe you're tying to learn how I do what I do, maybe you're trying to show off, I don't know for sure.  I do know that this length of post, for no real good reason, is not something that I appreciate.  In the future, please keep your posts to a reasonable length, and be considerate of my time and the time you are taking away from others who have questions or need help and the work I could be doing otherwise.

PS. May these words also serve as a lesson to those who recently created a fashion out of "free will' and "you must act" nonsense. The most legendary guys I've seen in the seduction world, sales and otherwise, were basically unstoppable freight trains, especially at the beginning. In seduction, we would go out, they would approach females, even if they showed disinterest they would continue unfazed, carefree, having a good time, certain they would conquer them. And guess what, they would eventually go right through all their defenses and shit tests and go home with them. And "make you act" is the entire purpose of a subliminal. Especially as one sees the best years go by as I did. One gets to a point where feelings and safety are the least of one's concerns. You get to a point where you're like Jesse Ventura on the predator movie -"I ain't got time to bleed" replace bleed with fear, waste, etc.

There is a debate as to whether we have free will or not, I know, but it is not fashion.  The fact is, we do have free will, and those who would claim otherwise are those who are understanding part of the whole picture, or none of it.  Free will is one of the most important things a human has.  Just because different layers work in different times and ways does not change this fact.

Forcing someone to act is not the point of a subliminal.  Forcing someone to act is mind control in the worst negative standard definition of the term.  It violates the person, it violates their free will and it is no different than forcing someone to act physically.  At this point I can see that you are entirely unfit to be making subliminals, using subliminals, or allowing anyone else to use any subliminal you have created, and I feel bad for anyone who has or does use any of your subliminals.  You've become impatient to the degree that you're willing to damage yourself, and apparently others as well, in order to achieve your goals, while damaging yourself (and apparently others as well).  There are always consequences.  You don't seem to have considered that.

There is no reason for you to be posting all of this here.  Especially if you can do all of what you claim.  Especially if you so deeply disagree with my design philosophy for the scripts and purpose of subliminals.  So you've come here, spent the time of everyone you've gotten to ready your posts here and made wild claims that sound like you are paranoid, delusional and narcissistic, backed them up with essentially "because I said so", and admitted to causing yourself great harm because you don't understand the subconscious or the point of subliminals.  Now I'm going to invite you to stop posting here, because this does nothing but spend time accomplishing nothing, while making you look bad and helping nobody.  It also confuses others who have little to no education in the field, and leads them to do and believe things that can potentially harm them also.

If you keep posting this sort of nonsense here, I'm going to ban you from the forum.  And I'm going to ban you from the store so you cannot further harm yourself by misusing my subliminals.  Ben, please make this ban from the store happen.

I urge you to seek professional psychological assessment of your current state.  I believe you have damaged yourself considerably and you would benefit from psychological healing.  But subliminals and self help are not how you should go about trying to do it.  Best wishes.