Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

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Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.  

And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.

Ah, here lies the rub.  That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.  

There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world.  There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors.  Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it.  The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want!  So have fun."

It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals.  That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.  

So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results.  If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else?  Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.

I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.

At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format.  If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions.  I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage.  We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them.  Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one.  This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers.  (Banned from the forum and the store.)

Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them.  Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.

I'm not going to keep doing that.  

So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be.  We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers.  If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.

I understand your difficulties  but there are some things I don't agree with your about. 

Such as: a failure to carry out AM being your own "fault" - that's not nessesarily true. If you are in a position, which is was, where running AM make you have constant suicidal thoughts and you have to quit it not to take your own life - that type of resistance cannot, and shouldn't, be something that the individual should try to overcome, as the risk of getting even deeper into it and risking taking his own life. The only fault the individual has done however, have been to run the program in the first place. 

Okay, first, let's put down the word "fault".  I don't think I ever said it was the user's "fault".  That was started by someone misunderstanding what I was saying.  

Secondly, I agree that you shouldn't be using the program if you're having suicidal reactions to it.  But that response isn't the program's "fault", either.  That response is your subconscious basically saying, "This scares me so much that I believe I will die if I achieve these goals, so my only option to avoid that is to threaten death, because I have nothing to lose and no other way to do it."

VERY few people responded to AM6 with suicidal reactions.  The people who did needed more basic work done and accomplished to be able to run that program successfully.  That's not a fault of AM6.

A individual in that kind of position, would be better off running LTU. I can say that because I know that I worked. LTU helped to take me from being miserable and repairing myself in about one year. And it worked because I could do the journey in my own time and as I saw fit, if it would have put to much pressure on me I would have got to the same place as AM took me. 

An individual in that kind of position would indeed be better off running LTU.  But it worked because you cooperated with the script, and you did that because it was not perceived as such a threat by your subconscious.  

So if you design AM with a "initial stage" that can prepare you for the journey and lay the foundation - that can be run at a chosen period of time depending on the individual and how much time they need to do "ground work" - maybe the same can be done with LTU. I'm not sure that I'm ready to take on a "pre designed development plan" but still need to take things in my own time - but still would love to take part of the new technology in LTU6 - why I'm argumenting for a having a first stage which can be used as a preparation for as how long the individual feels he need it. 

AM6 already has an "initial stage" designed to prepare you for the journey.  It uses EHPRA v1.  LTU6 is going to be designed pretty much the same way - start off with healing and clearing, and then get going on the journey.  But LTU6 will have much more advanced technology and scripting than AM6 did.  Instead of having a first stage that can be used for as long as the user thinks it needs to be used, it makes more sense to have you just use LTU5 or E3/4 for as long as you need to.  Believe it or not, for a program as complex and huge as LTU, six stages is really not easy to work with in terms of what we are doing per stage if I break it into stages.  I need all six to make progress, not just sit there healing and clearing on the first stage.

And regarding refunds - then the individual must have progressed from this stage and have run the whole program - which he will if "stage 1" is designed correctly and make him know when he is ready to progress to take on the rest of the journey.

I will take into consideration having Stage 1 let you know when you're ready to progress, but the problem with that is the same problem we had with H&C.  The subconscious tends to just hide in the H&C forever.

OK well I'll take your advice on running ltu5 until I feel ready for ltu6 then. But if I can know that I'm ready and then choose to go on with ltu6, people who run an initial stage of ltu6 could also know when to continue to the next stage when it's time. But I guess it's maybe different from person to person, and some people don't have enough self awareness to know what is resistance tactics and that isn't...