Question for Shannon About AM/SM

[SargeMaximus]

Oh my bad, I thought you did get results from AM and SM. The Vampire Diaries though, I think would clear up a lot of your confusion about women. That show displays every personality type 'alpha' personality type and shows how each type affects and attracts women, and fails with women. It's amazing and I'm sure you'll see your personality type in there. That show isn't some Disney love crap or Twilight ***** nice guy suck up romances the girl and it's happily ever after, total fake compared to what actually happens in real life. This show, the male female interactions are spot on it's amazing, and I think could be a huge eye opener for you, plus on top of all that, it's a really good show.

With your personality type there's a pua I think you would really resonate with too you can look into named Julien Blanc.

Nope, didn't. Very disappointing.

Anyhow VD, I'll look into it I guess. What do I have to lose except my time? lol

Not sure about the PUA tho, pick up is teetering in my interests category. Either it works, or it do9esn't, but I'm not sure. If I knew it worked, I';d practice, but to date I've not been that successful, and I got confidence, balls, and indifference which all pua's say is huge,m but something's not right cause I'm not getting good results. So I might as well stay home.

[TheRealJustin]

Oh my bad, I thought you did get results from AM and SM. The Vampire Diaries though, I think would clear up a lot of your confusion about women. That show displays every personality type 'alpha' personality type and shows how each type affects and attracts women, and fails with women. It's amazing and I'm sure you'll see your personality type in there. That show isn't some Disney love crap or Twilight ***** nice guy suck up romances the girl and it's happily ever after, total fake compared to what actually happens in real life. This show, the male female interactions are spot on it's amazing, and I think could be a huge eye opener for you, plus on top of all that, it's a really good show.

With your personality type there's a pua I think you would really resonate with too you can look into named Julien Blanc.

Nope, didn't. Very disappointing.

Anyhow VD, I'll look into it I guess. What do I have to lose except my time? lol

Not sure about the PUA tho, pick up is teetering in my interests category. Either it works, or it do9esn't, but I'm not sure. If I knew it worked, I';d practice, but to date I've not been that successful, and I got confidence, balls, and indifference which all pua's say is huge,m but something's not right cause I'm not getting good results. So I might as well stay home.

I've been deep into pua since I was 17, and during that time I believe it did more harm to me than good. About 2 years ago I found out most of it was just marketing. Not people actually wanting to help, but people wanting to sell their products and sell affiliate products. That made me hate pick up, and I became myself again, but the basics stuck with me, and they do make a huge difference and I'm thankful for that.

Now I don't actually hate pua, but I say don't let it change you, only have it as salt to flavor the meal.

And that's tight you're going to watch that show. I always recommend it but nobody ever listens to me. It's fricken amazing, and it's a perfect display of the human mating dance from all angles.

[SargeMaximus]

I've been deep into pua since I was 17, and during that time I believe it did more harm to me than good. About 2 years ago I found out most of it was just marketing. Not people actually wanting to help, but people wanting to sell their products and sell affiliate products. That made me hate pick up, and I became myself again, but the basics stuck with me, and they do make a huge difference and I'm thankful for that.

Now I don't actually hate pua, but I say don't let it change you, only have it as salt to flavor the meal.

And that's tight you're going to watch that show. I always recommend it but nobody ever listens to me. It's fricken amazing, and it's a perfect display of the human mating dance from all angles.

I'm curious why you recommended a PUA if you yourself feel that pua stuff has ruined your life.

But yeah I'll watch it, but only keep watching it if I like it of course. I'm not committing to anything here lol.

[TheRealJustin]

I've been deep into pua since I was 17, and during that time I believe it did more harm to me than good. About 2 years ago I found out most of it was just marketing. Not people actually wanting to help, but people wanting to sell their products and sell affiliate products. That made me hate pick up, and I became myself again, but the basics stuck with me, and they do make a huge difference and I'm thankful for that.

Now I don't actually hate pua, but I say don't let it change you, only have it as salt to flavor the meal.

And that's tight you're going to watch that show. I always recommend it but nobody ever listens to me. It's fricken amazing, and it's a perfect display of the human mating dance from all angles.

I'm curious why you recommended a PUA if you yourself feel that pua stuff has ruined your life.

But yeah I'll watch it, but only keep watching it if I like it of course. I'm not committing to anything here lol.

PUA stuff moved me a TON of steps backwards, but in the end shot me way ahead from where I was. Maybe ruined my life isn't the right thing to say, but it fu**ed me up until I truly started to understand things, including a lot of what a lot of puas will say is just fluff and b.s. to just keep us interested so we keep buying their products and their affiliate offers.

I recommended you Julien Blanc because he seems very similar to you in his view on women, and he works for Owen Cook which in my opinion is the most legit pua out there.

How pua 'ruined me' was I would go out and just approach women and feel stupid and it would be stupid and just was idk, just not myself. I had a cool friend group and we hung with a ton of hot girls and I just got weird and everyone went from loving me to thinking I was a creep loser, it just f'd me up lol, but in the end it's all for the best I feel. I wouldn't change anything.

Now I see pua though like a skate boarding video. They try so many times and take so long just for a small amount of footage for a few minute part in a skate boarding video. I'd say pua's are the same way, go out and film all day every day and sometimes get a nice clip to show, and they make some serious bank. It's a lot easier for them to go game on random hotties with a friend filming them and if it get weird they can always say, 'hey it's not serious we're just doing a social experiment seeing how people react, look, there's a camera right there, this isn't serious.

Not saying there aren't pua's that can't go out and have some crazy crap happen and get laid insanely easy by super hot ass girls, and make out with girls they just met and finger girls and f**k girls they just met, idk what I'm saying really.

I guess pua wise I'd recommend fitting it in your own personality instead of trying to change who you are. Not that you are trying to change who you are, but that's kind of what I was doing. Like Shannon said though, these pua's will approach hundreds of girls a day just to get that one little clip, but some are so good at game that it's like almost all their interactions are good ones.

The biggest thing that really helped get me back on track the most was Owen Cook saying be the party instead of trying to join their party. Meaning, just be having the most fun and the girls will want to be a part of you're reality instead of going up to the girls trying to get into their reality, idk if I'm making sense. A lot of this stuff is kind of hard to explain and hard to understand until it just 'clicks' but I definitely recommend Owen Cook you can see his vids on youtube by searching rsdtyler (I'm actually about to check that out now that I'm thinking about it, haven't been there in a while) and I recommend the most to you specifically because I think you would resonate with him the most Julien Blanc, and you can check his youtube searching rsdjulien. What's great about these two also is they're rich as hell, Owen Cook especially, so they just give out all of their info right on their youtube channel. They'll even tell people to go ahead and torrent download their products because they give all the info for free anyways. They make all their riches doing bootcamps every weekend, and I'm sure a lot of people still do buy their stuff just to show support.

[SargeMaximus]

I guess pua wise I'd recommend fitting it in your own personality instead of trying to change who you are. Not that you are trying to change who you are, but that's kind of what I was doing. Like Shannon said though, these pua's will approach hundreds of girls a day just to get that one little clip, but some are so good at game that it's like almost all their interactions are good ones.

Yeah, I'd be totally ok with that (having to keep practicing till I got to an insane level like having good interactions with every girl) if i knew the strategy/method. Seems a lot of the "new age pua stuff" however is in lines with "just be yourself!" which is bullsh*t because being myself has been what I've BEEN doing for years.

I'm a big boy, I can take the truth, but it seems everyone (even Shannon to some degree) is/are saying that you should ignore pick up and just be yourself.

HOWEVER, if one CAN get good at pick up, I WANNA KNOW ABOUT IT so I can practice and master it. Otherwise I'll gladly build my bank account to support a lifestyle of cute hookers. TYVM!

The biggest thing that really helped get me back on track the most was Owen Cook saying be the party instead of trying to join their party. Meaning, just be having the most fun and the girls will want to be a part of you're reality instead of going up to the girls trying to get into their reality, idk if I'm making sense.

Yeah you're making sense. Problem is, my reality is hard to join. And not very appealing. It's not like I care, nor do I want to join another's reality, but mine's pretty dull to other people, and not much of a chick-magnet.

A lot of this stuff is kind of hard to explain and hard to understand until it just 'clicks' but I definitely recommend Owen Cook you can see his vids on youtube by searching rsdtyler (I'm actually about to check that out now that I'm thinking about it, haven't been there in a while) and I recommend the most to you specifically because I think you would resonate with him the most Julien Blanc, and you can check his youtube searching rsdjulien. What's great about these two also is they're rich as hell, Owen Cook especially, so they just give out all of their info right on their youtube channel. They'll even tell people to go ahead and torrent download their products because they give all the info for free anyways. They make all their riches doing bootcamps every weekend, and I'm sure a lot of people still do buy their stuff just to show support.

Cool, I'll check it out. Tyler seems pretty legit. I love his views on presence vs. pick up. And the prospect of finding a way to BE a PUA is appealing, simply because it beats the hell outta sitting at home in self-pity

[TheRealJustin]

I guess pua wise I'd recommend fitting it in your own personality instead of trying to change who you are. Not that you are trying to change who you are, but that's kind of what I was doing. Like Shannon said though, these pua's will approach hundreds of girls a day just to get that one little clip, but some are so good at game that it's like almost all their interactions are good ones.

Yeah, I'd be totally ok with that (having to keep practicing till I got to an insane level like having good interactions with every girl) if i knew the strategy/method. Seems a lot of the "new age pua stuff" however is in lines with "just be yourself!" which is bullsh*t because being myself has been what I've BEEN doing for years.

I'm a big boy, I can take the truth, but it seems everyone (even Shannon to some degree) is/are saying that you should ignore pick up and just be yourself.

HOWEVER, if one CAN get good at pick up, I WANNA KNOW ABOUT IT so I can practice and master it. Otherwise I'll gladly build my bank account to support a lifestyle of cute hookers. TYVM!

The biggest thing that really helped get me back on track the most was Owen Cook saying be the party instead of trying to join their party. Meaning, just be having the most fun and the girls will want to be a part of you're reality instead of going up to the girls trying to get into their reality, idk if I'm making sense.

Yeah you're making sense. Problem is, my reality is hard to join. And not very appealing. It's not like I care, nor do I want to join another's reality, but mine's pretty dull to other people, and not much of a chick-magnet.

A lot of this stuff is kind of hard to explain and hard to understand until it just 'clicks' but I definitely recommend Owen Cook you can see his vids on youtube by searching rsdtyler (I'm actually about to check that out now that I'm thinking about it, haven't been there in a while) and I recommend the most to you specifically because I think you would resonate with him the most Julien Blanc, and you can check his youtube searching rsdjulien. What's great about these two also is they're rich as hell, Owen Cook especially, so they just give out all of their info right on their youtube channel. They'll even tell people to go ahead and torrent download their products because they give all the info for free anyways. They make all their riches doing bootcamps every weekend, and I'm sure a lot of people still do buy their stuff just to show support.

Cool, I'll check it out. Tyler seems pretty legit. I love his views on presence vs. pick up. And the prospect of finding a way to BE a PUA is appealing, simply because it beats the hell outta sitting at home in self-pity

There definitely is a way to become extremely good at pick up, and I would like to get there too. Pretty much when I say I hate pua, it's more of what pua was when I first got into it. Mystery, Neil Strauss, David DeAngelo (Eben Pagan) Brad P, Carlos Xuma, I know there's a few others I was into but I can't think of them. Once I found RSD though, mainly Tyler, things started to clear up for me and begin to make sense.

That dude is living proof that it's possible to get INSANELY good at game, because he just wanted it, and he figured it out, but he put himself through some serious s**t to get to the level he's at now. He'd literally force himself to open every girl he encountered, study pua like mad, try everything, go to seminars, just basically devoted his life to mastering this one skill.

Like I said, it's hard to explain. I'm no expert pick up artist or anything like that, but when I say be yourself I don't really mean be yourself, but I mean learn pick up, but have your own style that fits your personality. Like if you wanted to master guitar, learn from who you resonate with, but have your own style and make your own songs instead of trying to become a copy of him if that makes sense.

That's another thing I really like about rsdtyler is he teaches self development and is always saying to better yourself, to eat healthy, get healthy, join a gym, make money, find your purpose in life, learn to be cool, get friends that are cool, dress well, all this stuff, and I know he has all this stuff in his head and tries to get it into our heads what he's really thinking and really saying, and he does a pretty good job of it. He kind of though I guess you could say snapped me back into reality and helped me to stop trying to learn these little snake like shady tactics and routines and all this just stupid shit like there's some magical mixture of words and body language that will get any girl (though I am glad I learned all that stuff, but I had too much focus and importance on it, and I was becoming weird).

That guy though, he went from zero to hero and made millions while doing it. Pretty impressive, but he is EXTREMELY outgoing and charismatic it's nuts, and I can't even imagine all the embarrassment and humiliation he went through to get to where he's at now lol that guy has balls big time.

Anyways yea, when I say be yourself I do not at all mean be who you are now maybe I should say stay true to yourself, but improve yourself, become a guy girls want to hang out with instead of trying to find ways to 'get her' to hang out with you.

When I first got into pua, I was a virgin and was hanging out with extremely hot girls, and they all loved me, and really truly wanted me badly but I thought I was just some fat ugly guy so I truly thought they were just messing with me, and then I got into pua and started trying stuff, and they all just became unnatracted and I just thought "yup, they were just messing with me this whole time' but really, I just changed into someone that wasn't attractive. I turned into some creep trying to get something instead of being the fun charismatic guy I was. I did land my first girlfriend a few years later after studying pua more every day all day and she was hot, first girl that ever loved me, I fell in love with her, 2 years later she dumped me for an obnoxious meth head and it made no sense and I was suicidal and depressed on a level I never even knew existed, and then I started looking at David DeAngelo dvd's again and was realizing why she left me, then found his Eben Pagan stuff where he says how he thought of the name David DeAngelo, why he made products on pickup and all this stuff and it turned out he was just some expert marketer that hoped on a hot niche and started making 20 million dollars a year from it, and I was pissed. Then I found rsd a little while later and everything started making sense, I completely understood why I got dumped, started to become my old self again, a cool charismatic friendly open funny social guy that people liked. My ex wanted me back, still does to this day, I've done some pretty crazy shit infront of my friends that they still talk about all the time when we're together (If I'm wasted, and with friends, I'm on a whole nother level) and everything just started to fall back into place.

Anyways, I just went on such a long rant I can't even remember the point I was going to make when I started writing.

I remember you saying before you don't like bars or clubs. I recommend just going anyways, if you don't like drinking you don't have to drink. Owen Cook goes 7 nights a week sober. I would like to have the balls to do the stuff he does while I'm sober. If I get really drunk I'll ask myself 'what would Tyler do?" and that stuff really does work but it causes a scene. Where I'm from, lol, these people are like, idk they don't know what the hell is going on, and guys get pissed, bartenders kick you out, bouncers kick you out, but I'll be so wasted too but my friends will always tell me I was macking hard and got kicked out for no reason cause the next day I'll be like 'did those girls hate me or was I bothering them?' and they'll be like "no man, they loved you you were macking hard that was crazy' I want to learn to game like Owen or Julien sober,(not that I'm on there level when I'm drunk, I'm not, but I can be impressive at times) or just out and about when I see a hot girl, but I just can't. I have to be wasted, or if I'm just introduced to a girl I can game sober like if we have a mutual friend, but I can't like see a hottie at Chipotle and just start macking.

There definitely is a way to become a modern day Casanova, but it's not an over night thing, well, I guess it could be, Tyler was gaming for over 10 years and said Julien passed him up in just 2 years.

But yea, don't be yourself, but be you. Develop yourself, but still be you. Strive to be a better version of you but make sure that guy is still you is what I mean by be yourself. Like how I said pua ruined me, but in the end it worked out and the basics stuck with me, and I'm myself again. I don't mean I'm the same me I was back then, I just mean I'm a new me, but I still am me. Idk, I'm really bad at explaining things, and on the topic of pua there's so many contradictions and stuff but it's because there's so many variables, like for rsd even, every single one of them games different. they're all completely different in the way they do everything, but it's really just the basics that matter, but then again the basics don't get you to master pua level.

I'm actually really glad this thread popped up and got my mind going again because, yea man I want to be able to just go out like these guys sober and have more fun and more girls than anyone there and go home with the hottest girl and just have a blast that would be awesome. I need to start stepping out of my comfort zone without having to pump myself full of liquor first.

It would be cool if we knew each other in real life because we could just go out and practice getting good with women until it was just normal to go out and meet a bunch of women every day.

Wow though, I just went on the biggest rant ever lol.

[SargeMaximus]

It would be cool if we knew each other in real life because we could just go out and practice getting good with women until it was just normal to go out and meet a bunch of women every day.

Wow though, I just went on the biggest rant ever lol.

Yes you did lol. And I agree, it'd be great if we could do this together irl. I only have my one wingman, but he's more an advocate for Johnny Soporno and Allan Roger Currie, and so far hasn't picked up any girls near me. So it's hard to believe him, but I can't imagine why he'd lie.

I've still been able to go a few weeks where I go out every day, but I've totally lost my motivation, now that I see I'm missing something. Just not worth the time atm.

Now, don't take this the wrong way, but how many successful SOBER lays have you "pulled"? The reason I ask is because it'll give me an indication of what kind of "man" ones need to be. I am neither outgoing, nor charismatic, but I do have charm, and am a hidden treasure that sneaks up on people socially. Especially women, in grocery stores lol.

[TheRealJustin]

It would be cool if we knew each other in real life because we could just go out and practice getting good with women until it was just normal to go out and meet a bunch of women every day.

Wow though, I just went on the biggest rant ever lol.

Yes you did lol. And I agree, it'd be great if we could do this together irl. I only have my one wingman, but he's more an advocate for Johnny Soporno and Allan Roger Currie, and so far hasn't picked up any girls near me. So it's hard to believe him, but I can't imagine why he'd lie.

I've still been able to go a few weeks where I go out every day, but I've totally lost my motivation, now that I see I'm missing something. Just not worth the time atm.

Now, don't take this the wrong way, but how many successful SOBER lays have you "pulled"? The reason I ask is because it'll give me an indication of what kind of "man" ones need to be. I am neither outgoing, nor charismatic, but I do have charm, and am a hidden treasure that sneaks up on people socially. Especially women, in grocery stores lol.

I've had sex sober a lot of times but never in a bad ass way where I just meet some girl at a grocery store or something like that and then leave with her. It's always girls I meet through friends and we just click, or with girls I meet online. I'm no where near the level of these coaches, even when I'm wasted and in funny happy outgoing mode, still I usually don't get laid but get a lot of attention, and make out and have a really fun night, but also have to deal with a lot of angry guys, pretty much every single guy that has the balls to say something will come and try to rain on my parade, but when I'm with my friends it never bothers me because my friends could rock someone badly. When I get laid from a bar it's almost exclusively when I go alone and is with a girl who is also alone, and is not the best looking girl. The hottest girls I get are from meetme . com. If I lived in a bigger city with more people and more women it would probably be a little more comfortable practicing cold approach pickup, but at this point in life it's not something I ever do. If I had a good friend that wanted to go out and practice cold approach pickup though I would. It would be really nice to be able to pull off some of this sh*t I see guys doing, maybe I should just balls up and at least start saying hi and introducing myself when I see a hottie, but in all honesty I probably won't lol. I don't really think you're missing anything if you have the balls to do cold approach, that's really all you probably need and if you keep doing it you'll just get better at it. Where I live there's not really anywhere that just has a ton of girls besides the mall, but I imagine having to spend like 5 hours talking to every girl I see just to get one where something might happen so I just never even try. I just get girls online, at bars, or through friends, or at parties. All my friends too, none of them would be a wingman, if anything they will co*k block and talk me down and try to steal the girls attention away from me. Total weasels, but I understand that they don't know or study anything I know and study/have studied so it doesn't bother me, but it does make me wish I had a friend to go out and practice with and meet a lot of girls, and hot girls know a lot of other hot girls, and hot girls hang with cool guys, so it would just make your sex life and social life just raise and be awesome.

[SargeMaximus]

I've had sex sober a lot of times but never in a bad ass way where I just meet some girl at a grocery store or something like that and then leave with her. It's always girls I meet through friends and we just click, or with girls I meet online. I'm no where near the level of these coaches, even when I'm wasted and in funny happy outgoing mode, still I usually don't get laid but get a lot of attention, and make out and have a really fun night, but also have to deal with a lot of angry guys, pretty much every single guy that has the balls to say something will come and try to rain on my parade, but when I'm with my friends it never bothers me because my friends could rock someone badly. When I get laid from a bar it's almost exclusively when I go alone and is with a girl who is also alone, and is not the best looking girl. The hottest girls I get are from meetme . com. If I lived in a bigger city with more people and more women it would probably be a little more comfortable practicing cold approach pickup, but at this point in life it's not something I ever do. If I had a good friend that wanted to go out and practice cold approach pickup though I would.

Well, hit me up if you're ever in canada lol.

Still though, I think most of it is a progression. You can't go 0-60 overnight. Takes time, and thousands of rejections and bad experiences sadly lol.

I myself am going to start getting back out there cause no progress is made sitting at home. And I've been watching some of Julien's stuff. The guy seems pretty solid. I'm not sure how he got so internally solid, I'll have to look up his background.

It would be really nice to be able to pull off some of this sh*t I see guys doing, maybe I should just balls up and at least start saying hi and introducing myself when I see a hottie, but in all honesty I probably won't lol.

Really? Dude, you gotta!

I remember when I first started, I literally thought that I would be arrested, beaten up, or at least slapped and yelled at by the woman for asking her for the TIME!

Once I got over that, it was another hurdle, and so on. Just take it baby steps. Identify the least you can do, then push it a little bit. Keep doing that till it's all part of your comfort zone.

Right now my trouble is conversation/small talk. Girls literally smile HUGE when I approach them most the time now, even blush sometimes, but when I start small talk, it dies FAST and I can literally see it. So I'm not sure WHAT it is, but I do know WHERE it is.

I don't really think you're missing anything if you have the balls to do cold approach, that's really all you probably need and if you keep doing it you'll just get better at it. Where I live there's not really anywhere that just has a ton of girls besides the mall, but I imagine having to spend like 5 hours talking to every girl I see just to get one where something might happen so I just never even try.

Balls isn't worth a whole lot in my experience. You gotta know what to do. It's like if you had the balls to approach a woman who didn't speak english, it just wouldn't work. No matter what. You gotta communicate for whatever reason lol, but it's true.

As for the mall, just go. I'm still struggling with needing an "excuse" to go to the mall other than hitting on women, but you know what? I'm getting there. I haven't bought anything from a mall unless I absolutely needed it (and was going to get it anyways) for some time now. I've even told girls I'm hitting on, after they're like "so what are you doing?" I'm like "just hangin out, walking around, and talking to any cute girls I may come across." lol. What's the big deal?

I just get girls online, at bars, or through friends, or at parties. All my friends too, none of them would be a wingman, if anything they will co*k block and talk me down and try to steal the girls attention away from me. Total weasels, but I understand that they don't know or study anything I know and study/have studied so it doesn't bother me, but it does make me wish I had a friend to go out and practice with and meet a lot of girls, and hot girls know a lot of other hot girls, and hot girls hang with cool guys, so it would just make your sex life and social life just raise and be awesome.

Yeah I hear ya. Socializing is the one part I'm not ok with yet. It turns me off, quite literally.

I can approach women, be pretty direct, touch them, check them out without flinching even when I've done so by leaving their gaze, then look back in their eyes and smirk. It's all easy, but socializing? GAH! lol, kill me now.

[TheRealJustin]

I've had sex sober a lot of times but never in a bad ass way where I just meet some girl at a grocery store or something like that and then leave with her. It's always girls I meet through friends and we just click, or with girls I meet online. I'm no where near the level of these coaches, even when I'm wasted and in funny happy outgoing mode, still I usually don't get laid but get a lot of attention, and make out and have a really fun night, but also have to deal with a lot of angry guys, pretty much every single guy that has the balls to say something will come and try to rain on my parade, but when I'm with my friends it never bothers me because my friends could rock someone badly. When I get laid from a bar it's almost exclusively when I go alone and is with a girl who is also alone, and is not the best looking girl. The hottest girls I get are from meetme . com. If I lived in a bigger city with more people and more women it would probably be a little more comfortable practicing cold approach pickup, but at this point in life it's not something I ever do. If I had a good friend that wanted to go out and practice cold approach pickup though I would.

Well, hit me up if you're ever in canada lol.

Still though, I think most of it is a progression. You can't go 0-60 overnight. Takes time, and thousands of rejections and bad experiences sadly lol.

I myself am going to start getting back out there cause no progress is made sitting at home. And I've been watching some of Julien's stuff. The guy seems pretty solid. I'm not sure how he got so internally solid, I'll have to look up his background.

It would be really nice to be able to pull off some of this sh*t I see guys doing, maybe I should just balls up and at least start saying hi and introducing myself when I see a hottie, but in all honesty I probably won't lol.

Really? Dude, you gotta!

I remember when I first started, I literally thought that I would be arrested, beaten up, or at least slapped and yelled at by the woman for asking her for the TIME!

Once I got over that, it was another hurdle, and so on. Just take it baby steps. Identify the least you can do, then push it a little bit. Keep doing that till it's all part of your comfort zone.

Right now my trouble is conversation/small talk. Girls literally smile HUGE when I approach them most the time now, even blush sometimes, but when I start small talk, it dies FAST and I can literally see it. So I'm not sure WHAT it is, but I do know WHERE it is.

I don't really think you're missing anything if you have the balls to do cold approach, that's really all you probably need and if you keep doing it you'll just get better at it. Where I live there's not really anywhere that just has a ton of girls besides the mall, but I imagine having to spend like 5 hours talking to every girl I see just to get one where something might happen so I just never even try.

Balls isn't worth a whole lot in my experience. You gotta know what to do. It's like if you had the balls to approach a woman who didn't speak english, it just wouldn't work. No matter what. You gotta communicate for whatever reason lol, but it's true.

As for the mall, just go. I'm still struggling with needing an "excuse" to go to the mall other than hitting on women, but you know what? I'm getting there. I haven't bought anything from a mall unless I absolutely needed it (and was going to get it anyways) for some time now. I've even told girls I'm hitting on, after they're like "so what are you doing?" I'm like "just hangin out, walking around, and talking to any cute girls I may come across." lol. What's the big deal?

I just get girls online, at bars, or through friends, or at parties. All my friends too, none of them would be a wingman, if anything they will co*k block and talk me down and try to steal the girls attention away from me. Total weasels, but I understand that they don't know or study anything I know and study/have studied so it doesn't bother me, but it does make me wish I had a friend to go out and practice with and meet a lot of girls, and hot girls know a lot of other hot girls, and hot girls hang with cool guys, so it would just make your sex life and social life just raise and be awesome.

Yeah I hear ya. Socializing is the one part I'm not ok with yet. It turns me off, quite literally.

I can approach women, be pretty direct, touch them, check them out without flinching even when I've done so by leaving their gaze, then look back in their eyes and smirk. It's all easy, but socializing? GAH! lol, kill me now.

Yea I understand not wanting to socialize, but I actually want a really cool group of guy friends, like I envy what Tyler Durden has, I think it would be sweet to have a really cool close group of friends male and female, and just go out and have fun and meet hotties to hook up with and have a great time with great people.

You're right too I do need to just at least say hi at bare minimum and just let my comfort zone expand. It's crazy how if I'm wasted I can talk to anybody no problem, but sober I'm like what you were saying, I feel like she's going to whip out her phone and call the cops and I'll go to prison, or some guy is going to sucker punch me or some sh*t, like I just get a feeling that it's a bad idea, and then wasted I'm completely different. Like one time we pulled up in the gas station and this super dime piece was in line and I was just like 'damn that girls fine, watch this' to my friends and I go in, go straight up to her and ask her if she wants to be my girlfriend, and then my friend was like 'no be my girlfriend' and I was like 'okay you have two guys that want you, do you want to be my girlfriend or his?' and she was like 'yours, I've never had someone come up to me like that and be so direct' and I told her to give me her number she said her phone was in her car so I walked her to her car, made out with her, had her call my phone, made out with her more, and then she went home. Next day she called me in the afternoon asked why I never called her, hung up on me, and never talked to me again, but that was still an awesome night I just wish I had balls and confidence like that without being absolutely shit faced because I'm nothing like that sober, I would never do that sober. While I was outside with her, my friend told me the cashier at the register was saying I was going to get arrested, and then was just dumbfounded when he saw me making out with her. And, I'm really not a guy that looks like would be making out with a girl as hot as she was. That's another reason when I'm sober I just never really say anything to girls because I'm just insecure and think they won't be attracted to me because like I said, I have a gut and big man tits, but when I'm drunk, I don't even think about that, I'm just like 'what would Tyler do' or 'what would Vitaly do'

And yea, I thought you would resonate well with Julien, that guy might actually turn you into a pretty big pimp pretty fast if you don't have a problem approaching. I think you would do really well if you just watch his videos and Tylers videos all day, they truly give out some insane amounts of value absolutely free. I actually find their youtube channels to be more helpful than their expensive as* products. He picked up on this stuff so fast because of who he was hanging out with 24/7, like he was with a pick up God 24/7 and he's better looking than him, so it probably just all became super real to him super fast.

[SargeMaximus]

Yea I understand not wanting to socialize, but I actually want a really cool group of guy friends, like I envy what Tyler Durden has, I think it would be sweet to have a really cool close group of friends male and female, and just go out and have fun and meet hotties to hook up with and have a great time with great people.

You're right too I do need to just at least say hi at bare minimum and just let my comfort zone expand. It's crazy how if I'm wasted I can talk to anybody no problem, but sober I'm like what you were saying, I feel like she's going to whip out her phone and call the cops and I'll go to prison, or some guy is going to sucker punch me or some sh*t, like I just get a feeling that it's a bad idea, and then wasted I'm completely different.

Well at least you've experienced the reality: nothing happens. Just remind yourself of that when you're sober. The cops don't get lazy and drunk just because you do.

Like one time we pulled up in the gas station and this super dime piece was in line and I was just like 'damn that girls fine, watch this' to my friends and I go in, go straight up to her and ask her if she wants to be my girlfriend, and then my friend was like 'no be my girlfriend' and I was like 'okay you have two guys that want you, do you want to be my girlfriend or his?' and she was like 'yours, I've never had someone come up to me like that and be so direct' and I told her to give me her number she said her phone was in her car so I walked her to her car, made out with her, had her call my phone, made out with her more, and then she went home. Next day she called me in the afternoon asked why I never called her, hung up on me, and never talked to me again, but that was still an awesome night I just wish I had balls and confidence like that without being absolutely shit faced because I'm nothing like that sober, I would never do that sober.

You could. You just have to find a different medium. Meditation, yoga, whatever. Maybe you just need to learn self-defense? Find out why you're afraid and eliminate those realities.

But definitely start by saying hi. If they DO slap you or call the cops because you said hi, I'm pretty sure you could sue them for wrongful imprisonment.

While I was outside with her, my friend told me the cashier at the register was saying I was going to get arrested, and then was just dumbfounded when he saw me making out with her. And, I'm really not a guy that looks like would be making out with a girl as hot as she was. That's another reason when I'm sober I just never really say anything to girls because I'm just insecure and think they won't be attracted to me because like I said, I have a gut and big man tits, but when I'm drunk, I don't even think about that, I'm just like 'what would Tyler do' or 'what would Vitaly do'

Lol, I saw a guy good with women with man tits. And Johnny Soporno (CHECK HIM OUT!!) is a balding/fat mothah f*ckah.

And yea, I thought you would resonate well with Julien, that guy might actually turn you into a pretty big pimp pretty fast if you don't have a problem approaching. I think you would do really well if you just watch his videos and Tylers videos all day, they truly give out some insane amounts of value absolutely free. I actually find their youtube channels to be more helpful than their expensive as* products. He picked up on this stuff so fast because of who he was hanging out with 24/7, like he was with a pick up God 24/7 and he's better looking than him, so it probably just all became super real to him super fast.

Yeah maybe, we'll see. I can approach but it literally dies with the small talk. I don't know how else to do it, but I'ma start approaching 3 girls a day again starting today (accountability alert! ) just so I can start figuring out WHAT the f*ck is going wrong.

By the way, I'm watching the vampire diaries right now, and aside from the cute girls, I think it's a pretty lame show. Seems like it's marketed to girls tbh. I'm no expert on dating dynamics at all, but that's definitely the vibe I'm getting from it. Or it may just be more self-loathing. That show makes me angry at myself for not approaching already today but I'm feeling pretty bad still. EPRHA is killing me.

[TheRealJustin]

Yea I understand not wanting to socialize, but I actually want a really cool group of guy friends, like I envy what Tyler Durden has, I think it would be sweet to have a really cool close group of friends male and female, and just go out and have fun and meet hotties to hook up with and have a great time with great people.

You're right too I do need to just at least say hi at bare minimum and just let my comfort zone expand. It's crazy how if I'm wasted I can talk to anybody no problem, but sober I'm like what you were saying, I feel like she's going to whip out her phone and call the cops and I'll go to prison, or some guy is going to sucker punch me or some sh*t, like I just get a feeling that it's a bad idea, and then wasted I'm completely different.

Well at least you've experienced the reality: nothing happens. Just remind yourself of that when you're sober. The cops don't get lazy and drunk just because you do.

Like one time we pulled up in the gas station and this super dime piece was in line and I was just like 'damn that girls fine, watch this' to my friends and I go in, go straight up to her and ask her if she wants to be my girlfriend, and then my friend was like 'no be my girlfriend' and I was like 'okay you have two guys that want you, do you want to be my girlfriend or his?' and she was like 'yours, I've never had someone come up to me like that and be so direct' and I told her to give me her number she said her phone was in her car so I walked her to her car, made out with her, had her call my phone, made out with her more, and then she went home. Next day she called me in the afternoon asked why I never called her, hung up on me, and never talked to me again, but that was still an awesome night I just wish I had balls and confidence like that without being absolutely shit faced because I'm nothing like that sober, I would never do that sober.

You could. You just have to find a different medium. Meditation, yoga, whatever. Maybe you just need to learn self-defense? Find out why you're afraid and eliminate those realities.

But definitely start by saying hi. If they DO slap you or call the cops because you said hi, I'm pretty sure you could sue them for wrongful imprisonment.

While I was outside with her, my friend told me the cashier at the register was saying I was going to get arrested, and then was just dumbfounded when he saw me making out with her. And, I'm really not a guy that looks like would be making out with a girl as hot as she was. That's another reason when I'm sober I just never really say anything to girls because I'm just insecure and think they won't be attracted to me because like I said, I have a gut and big man tits, but when I'm drunk, I don't even think about that, I'm just like 'what would Tyler do' or 'what would Vitaly do'

Lol, I saw a guy good with women with man tits. And Johnny Soporno (CHECK HIM OUT!!) is a balding/fat mothah f*ckah.

And yea, I thought you would resonate well with Julien, that guy might actually turn you into a pretty big pimp pretty fast if you don't have a problem approaching. I think you would do really well if you just watch his videos and Tylers videos all day, they truly give out some insane amounts of value absolutely free. I actually find their youtube channels to be more helpful than their expensive as* products. He picked up on this stuff so fast because of who he was hanging out with 24/7, like he was with a pick up God 24/7 and he's better looking than him, so it probably just all became super real to him super fast.

Yeah maybe, we'll see. I can approach but it literally dies with the small talk. I don't know how else to do it, but I'ma start approaching 3 girls a day again starting today (accountability alert! ) just so I can start figuring out WHAT the f*ck is going wrong.

By the way, I'm watching the vampire diaries right now, and aside from the cute girls, I think it's a pretty lame show. Seems like it's marketed to girls tbh. I'm no expert on dating dynamics at all, but that's definitely the vibe I'm getting from it. Or it may just be more self-loathing. That show makes me angry at myself for not approaching already today but I'm feeling pretty bad still. EPRHA is killing me.

The Vampire Diaries is 100% made for women, but I love it, and all the subtleties like it almost seems like it's based off of pickup how they can 'compel' people and how they act and everything, it's almost like alpha pua's with a deep understanding of NLP and covert hypnosis. That show is nuts.

When I'm drunk too though, I'm a lot more out going and just having a blast, and I have a silver tongue, and I just know whoever I talk to is going to have a blast talking to me. When I'm sober it's not like that. Even when I'm introduced to a girl through a friend it's like I'm just calm and build attraction slowly and subtly, and I feel like if I were to approach a stranger in a mall or something I wouldn't really know what to say or anything and I'd come in with low boring energy, and if I'm juiced it's just like I don't even know what I'm saying I'm just rambling and laughing and they're laughing and I'm high energy having a blast fun to be around, in control, confident, it's just different. And it's not everytime I drink I just become like that, it's only when I'm drinking AND I'm having a super fun night then I turn into a energy ball of fun.

I do need to start working on that though because I really don't want to drink anymore, at least not often at all, like maybe once every blue moon. I feel like if I had a better life it would be more automatic, and I would have that fee good emotion with high energy naturally. That's part of the reason I started having a super juice every morning, and started Ultra Success and stopped biabws because I just need to have a better life so I feel better, health and wealth, but that's also no reason to not start now.

I've never heard of Johnny Soporno, thanks for mentioning him. I've always wanted a bigger guy to learn from, it's harder seeing a bunch of rich good looking guys tell me stuff when they really don't know what it's like to be me, and that makes it harder to try things too because I'm like, yea this works for him, but I'm not as good looking as him, I just think too much when I'm sober. I do have Positive Thinking running also, I wonder if those two programs will help me in this area, they're really general so it will be interesting to see what happens with them.

I know you aren't getting results with AM or SM, but maybe BIABWS would be good for you, plus it's cheap. The only affirmations directed at straight males specifically are just two affirmations to stop guys from hitting on you or becoming attracted to you, but the rest of the affirmations seem like they'd work fine even if you're bi. Once I'm on my feet financially, I'm probably going to run that program for a few years straight.

Anyways, I'm glad we had this talk, it got my mind going back in a direction I was straying away from.

[SargeMaximus]

The Vampire Diaries is 100% made for women, but I love it, and all the subtleties like it almost seems like it's based off of pickup how they can 'compel' people and how they act and everything, it's almost like alpha pua's with a deep understanding of NLP and covert hypnosis. That show is nuts.

Well a vampire IS a symbol of carnal desire, at least that's how I've always interpreted it. But most shows get it wrong. In VD, I like the creative use of the vampire's powers, and wouldn't mind the show overall, except that it's too Disney. Not to mention that Stephen's powers surge up whenever he gets close to sex, and it's overtoned as "bad" or at the very least "evil".

One of the things I hated about most horror movies is that sex is often tied to horrible things happening, so it sure does not help the psyche, nor my limiting beliefs. I must be careful what I allow in.

I'm interested in the plot slightly, but I will undoubtedly be stopping. I need positive masculine influences, not more estrogen, but to each their own.

When I'm drunk too though, I'm a lot more out going and just having a blast, and I have a silver tongue, and I just know whoever I talk to is going to have a blast talking to me. When I'm sober it's not like that. Even when I'm introduced to a girl through a friend it's like I'm just calm and build attraction slowly and subtly, and I feel like if I were to approach a stranger in a mall or something I wouldn't really know what to say or anything and I'd come in with low boring energy, and if I'm juiced it's just like I don't even know what I'm saying I'm just rambling and laughing and they're laughing and I'm high energy having a blast fun to be around, in control, confident, it's just different. And it's not everytime I drink I just become like that, it's only when I'm drinking AND I'm having a super fun night then I turn into a energy ball of fun.

I'm like that whenever I commit to an interaction. My default state is "blah" but if I decide to switch on the charm, look out.

I actually went out to do some approaches today. No women I wanted were around despite high volumes. I figure most people are families on a saturday afternoon. I'll try later.

I'm getting near that tipping point like how you mentioned, which is exciting. I still don't want to engage just anybody, but I know if I did, it'd be easy and would coast so long as she was interested.

Which reminds me, there was ONE particularly cute girl who reached out to me to shake my hand. I would have loved to talk with her, but she was a sales promoter, and I asked her to make sure. When she confirmed that she was, I said I wasn't interested and left.

I don't like those dynamics.

Anyhow, more later.

I do need to start working on that though because I really don't want to drink anymore, at least not often at all, like maybe once every blue moon. I feel like if I had a better life it would be more automatic, and I would have that fee good emotion with high energy naturally. That's part of the reason I started having a super juice every morning, and started Ultra Success and stopped biabws because I just need to have a better life so I feel better, health and wealth, but that's also no reason to not start now.

What's super juice?

But yeah, it's good you want to get away. Also, I'm not down on alcohol because of "morality", I'm down on it because it kills testosterone, and is not, by any stretch, a measure of TRUE confidence. Which is also why I don't approach sales girls. Because despite the fact that I'm sure I could KILL IT now with who I am, I also know that, for whatever reason, when I know someone is catering to me, I take advantage of it and get alpha by default. Without that dynamic, it's not as strong.

So yeah, out of a desire to be honest with myself, I won't do it anymore.

It's good for training wheels, like for you it could be great cause they're paid to be nice (and I even had a sales girl recognize me on the other end of the city 2 weeks after I chatted with her one time and she was BEAMING happy to see me), just don't let it become a crutch, that's my motto.

I've never heard of Johnny Soporno, thanks for mentioning him. I've always wanted a bigger guy to learn from, it's harder seeing a bunch of rich good looking guys tell me stuff when they really don't know what it's like to be me, and that makes it harder to try things too because I'm like, yea this works for him, but I'm not as good looking as him, I just think too much when I'm sober. I do have Positive Thinking running also, I wonder if those two programs will help me in this area, they're really general so it will be interesting to see what happens with them.

Yeah I dunno man. Have you ever read the book "A Thousand Tiny Failures"? I finished it in 2 sittings, and am half-way through it again. The guy had man-tits but got surgery. I don't think you NEED it (again, wish I remember, but I recently saw a pua who had man tits and was very average looking), but it could be something to consider.

I know you aren't getting results with AM or SM, but maybe BIABWS would be good for you, plus it's cheap. The only affirmations directed at straight males specifically are just two affirmations to stop guys from hitting on you or becoming attracted to you, but the rest of the affirmations seem like they'd work fine even if you're bi. Once I'm on my feet financially, I'm probably going to run that program for a few years straight.

But what if I want guys to hit on me?? lol.

Generally I don't, but I do enjoy attention. Plus, there ARE some guys... >>

Actually I have BIATBW, but not sexually. I wonder if that would work, I'll have to ask Shannon. It'd be great if I could use it with EPRHA, but I'm guessing not.

But, do you NOT want AM/SM instead?

Anyways, I'm glad we had this talk, it got my mind going back in a direction I was straying away from.

Yes me too. I'm back into approaching again, which is something for me too.

Hit me up on facebook if you want. Just pm me the details.

[TheRealJustin]

The Vampire Diaries is 100% made for women, but I love it, and all the subtleties like it almost seems like it's based off of pickup how they can 'compel' people and how they act and everything, it's almost like alpha pua's with a deep understanding of NLP and covert hypnosis. That show is nuts.

Well a vampire IS a symbol of carnal desire, at least that's how I've always interpreted it. But most shows get it wrong. In VD, I like the creative use of the vampire's powers, and wouldn't mind the show overall, except that it's too Disney. Not to mention that Stephen's powers surge up whenever he gets close to sex, and it's overtoned as "bad" or at the very least "evil".

One of the things I hated about most horror movies is that sex is often tied to horrible things happening, so it sure does not help the psyche, nor my limiting beliefs. I must be careful what I allow in.

I'm interested in the plot slightly, but I will undoubtedly be stopping. I need positive masculine influences, not more estrogen, but to each their own.

When I'm drunk too though, I'm a lot more out going and just having a blast, and I have a silver tongue, and I just know whoever I talk to is going to have a blast talking to me. When I'm sober it's not like that. Even when I'm introduced to a girl through a friend it's like I'm just calm and build attraction slowly and subtly, and I feel like if I were to approach a stranger in a mall or something I wouldn't really know what to say or anything and I'd come in with low boring energy, and if I'm juiced it's just like I don't even know what I'm saying I'm just rambling and laughing and they're laughing and I'm high energy having a blast fun to be around, in control, confident, it's just different. And it's not everytime I drink I just become like that, it's only when I'm drinking AND I'm having a super fun night then I turn into a energy ball of fun.

I'm like that whenever I commit to an interaction. My default state is "blah" but if I decide to switch on the charm, look out.

I actually went out to do some approaches today. No women I wanted were around despite high volumes. I figure most people are families on a saturday afternoon. I'll try later.

I'm getting near that tipping point like how you mentioned, which is exciting. I still don't want to engage just anybody, but I know if I did, it'd be easy and would coast so long as she was interested.

Which reminds me, there was ONE particularly cute girl who reached out to me to shake my hand. I would have loved to talk with her, but she was a sales promoter, and I asked her to make sure. When she confirmed that she was, I said I wasn't interested and left.

I don't like those dynamics.

Anyhow, more later.

I do need to start working on that though because I really don't want to drink anymore, at least not often at all, like maybe once every blue moon. I feel like if I had a better life it would be more automatic, and I would have that fee good emotion with high energy naturally. That's part of the reason I started having a super juice every morning, and started Ultra Success and stopped biabws because I just need to have a better life so I feel better, health and wealth, but that's also no reason to not start now.

What's super juice?

But yeah, it's good you want to get away. Also, I'm not down on alcohol because of "morality", I'm down on it because it kills testosterone, and is not, by any stretch, a measure of TRUE confidence. Which is also why I don't approach sales girls. Because despite the fact that I'm sure I could KILL IT now with who I am, I also know that, for whatever reason, when I know someone is catering to me, I take advantage of it and get alpha by default. Without that dynamic, it's not as strong.

So yeah, out of a desire to be honest with myself, I won't do it anymore.

It's good for training wheels, like for you it could be great cause they're paid to be nice (and I even had a sales girl recognize me on the other end of the city 2 weeks after I chatted with her one time and she was BEAMING happy to see me), just don't let it become a crutch, that's my motto.

I've never heard of Johnny Soporno, thanks for mentioning him. I've always wanted a bigger guy to learn from, it's harder seeing a bunch of rich good looking guys tell me stuff when they really don't know what it's like to be me, and that makes it harder to try things too because I'm like, yea this works for him, but I'm not as good looking as him, I just think too much when I'm sober. I do have Positive Thinking running also, I wonder if those two programs will help me in this area, they're really general so it will be interesting to see what happens with them.

Yeah I dunno man. Have you ever read the book "A Thousand Tiny Failures"? I finished it in 2 sittings, and am half-way through it again. The guy had man-tits but got surgery. I don't think you NEED it (again, wish I remember, but I recently saw a pua who had man tits and was very average looking), but it could be something to consider.

I know you aren't getting results with AM or SM, but maybe BIABWS would be good for you, plus it's cheap. The only affirmations directed at straight males specifically are just two affirmations to stop guys from hitting on you or becoming attracted to you, but the rest of the affirmations seem like they'd work fine even if you're bi. Once I'm on my feet financially, I'm probably going to run that program for a few years straight.

But what if I want guys to hit on me?? lol.

Generally I don't, but I do enjoy attention. Plus, there ARE some guys... >>

Actually I have BIATBW, but not sexually. I wonder if that would work, I'll have to ask Shannon. It'd be great if I could use it with EPRHA, but I'm guessing not.

But, do you NOT want AM/SM instead?

Anyways, I'm glad we had this talk, it got my mind going back in a direction I was straying away from.

Yes me too. I'm back into approaching again, which is something for me too.

Hit me up on facebook if you want. Just pm me the details.

I don't have facebook. It was too much drama in my life, and I'm not into sales women either lmao! I'm not saying biabws will stop men from being attracted to you, I'm just saying the only affirmations that specify straight men are the ones saying they will stop other men from being attracted, so if your subconscious ignored it it wouldn't matter anyways. I agree about liquor 100%, it's like pumping yourself with estrogen, but I keep doing it anyways, pretty pathetic, but it's so rewarding. Like tonight I had a pretty bomb night, and I am pretty juiced right now. What I mean by super juice is every morning I have a super juice which is a blend of different fruits and veggies that will make me live longer, not get cancer, not get diabetes, not get heart disease, raise testosterone, increase energy, boost my immune system, just all sort of pluses. The longer I've been having these juices every morning, the more I've been having healthier acts in other parts of my life also, so, it's just an amazing plus that in the long run, will cause a chain reaction to some amazing results. I waved and blew kisses at a lot of girls tonight and had a lot of girls wave and blow kisses to me. It was fun, was with a coworker, was showing him some online convos, and had lots of girls talking to us and hugging us and just having a great time. Nothing super impressive, but he was super impressed, which is always fun. I don't need sales girls pretending to be nice to me or interested in me, I don't know where you got that idea, I'm well beyond training wheels and needing girls that are paid to be nice to me. I get pu**y.

I would get surgery for my man tits, but I don't think I have gyno-whatever, I think I just have I-need-to-do-chest-workouts-syndrome, but who knows.