WOW! So many responses, I didn't expect that. I'm surprised this sparked so much dialogue. Welcome everyone!
I was shocked with Zuckerberg at the time. But then I figured it seems to be the stereotype of likely the first girl that paid attention to him thing. He seems like he would be the nerdy awkward guy in school, so girls would've largely considered him invisible. Congrats to her, she won the lottery and married way beyond her wildest dreams. Him, he could've done so much better. Terrible shame.
I hope there's an ironclad pre-nup, but even those I've seen thrown out of court, so I don't trust those anymore. Being a billionaire and marrying, is next to one of the most foolish things a man can do in this culture, given the divorce rates and outrageous alimony laws. Extremely risky, again likely proving that it was likely the first female that paid any real attention to him, necessitating him to lock her down as fast as possible, regardless of the insane risk involved. I hope for his sake, that marriage never dies. And for Facebook's, as it could force a sale of it to less competent people, or a partial selloff causing job losses or problems with maintaining dominance in it's niche etc. ALL because of one guy, limited success with women, and desperation, it can cause massive problems in a situation like this. It's been in the news often before.
Elliot Hulse I always respected. Seemed to be a "real" voice for masculinity. I'm extremely disappointed to see that photo. Oh well. I can't look up to a guy that isn't where I'm at, OR, want to be in a certain area. To me, if "coaches" in this area don't have the lifestyle I want, or have women around them I am attracted to, I don't see a point in following them. At that point, I view them as charlatans, or at best, advocating a different direction than I'd like to go, so I need to find someone else at that point.
I too wonder if all of this "hot girls are almost always bad people and you shouldn't judge them by their looks" guilting and shaming is forcing us to try to be happy with mediocre women, even if we aren't mediocre ourselves. I know a woman in an equal spot wouldn't be happy and there doesn't seem to be a problem with that in society, which is why boring nice guys or ugly guys, or short guys, or broke guys, are in the friend zone or worse. So, the double standard again is interesting to see. I probably could've EASILY settled down with some warpig vastly below myself in value long ago, as many of my friends have done to their own detriment. Bottom line, if she isn't hot and doesn't attract me, I'd rather be single. Nothing wrong with attraction, it's reality, I wish people would be strong enough to admit that and not feel the urge to hold back so they don't get demonised. Women have their attraction triggers, we have ours, but only ours seem to be so resented and attacked. I too tend to worry about this demonisation of beautiful women due to other's past experiences at times. I've met so many beautiful women that are awesome people, most of them shocking me because of that as I believed the "hot girls are bitches" nonsense since it's so prevalent which to me has been vastly proven false now. I believe that is spread by women, jealous of hot one's attractiveness, to try to ruin their SMV, or to make themselves feel better for being outclassed, as well as guys who simply weren't developed enough to be equal to an attractive woman in value or more so and she sensed it and rejected him and he got butthurt about it. And instead of admitting that and realising if he wanted girls like her he needed to develop more to be on that level of value or more, he demonised her and others like her, as it's easier to tear others down, than to build yourself up, much like the women I mentioned earlier. Now, I know full well their appearance is irrelevant to their personality, it can go either way, so casting off hot women because you believe they're "bitches", and purposely going for ugly/fat women as they're "nice", is crazy, and a massive downgrade regardless. So we don't need this "If they're hot, they're likely a bitch, but if they're ugly and fat, they're likely nice, so go with those ones to save yourself the trouble" stuff. I've met many examples of the opposites of both. And some of us are not willing to vastly downgrade so easily. I'd hardly spend a year of listening to this sub, never mind the others since 2013, for some woman that weighs 200 pounds but has "a great personality", lol. What a terrible waste of time all the sub use would be. I work hard, and have taken care of myself physically now a great deal, so I want someone who does the same thing, especially since as a man, many of my attraction triggers are visual and physical, and there's zero wrong with that because it's natural. I'm tired of being shamed and even self-shaming when I was ignorant, about natural sexual attraction and self-censoring. It is what it is. If many women are so upset about that, do something about it, put down the big mac and hop on a treadmill, whining and guilting and shaming won't change millions of years (Rule 4, lawl) of evolution.
I guess my point is, I've worked hard to develop a great life, with great value. So I would NOT be satisfied with a mediocre woman. If I'm not at the point where I am developed enough where I can attract the attractive women I want, then I will be single and continue developing until I am. I will not undervalue myself, and go for mediocre out of desperation or giving up. I guess this is an issue of standards, how much you want to continue developing to be at the level of attractive women, or if you want to give up and accept mediocre. That's a choice each man has to make themselves, perhaps. Me? Go big or go home, like every other aspect of my life.
Now, I'm going to get ready and go out to give DMSI another spin! T, here I come, haha.
I was shocked with Zuckerberg at the time. But then I figured it seems to be the stereotype of likely the first girl that paid attention to him thing. He seems like he would be the nerdy awkward guy in school, so girls would've largely considered him invisible. Congrats to her, she won the lottery and married way beyond her wildest dreams. Him, he could've done so much better. Terrible shame.
I hope there's an ironclad pre-nup, but even those I've seen thrown out of court, so I don't trust those anymore. Being a billionaire and marrying, is next to one of the most foolish things a man can do in this culture, given the divorce rates and outrageous alimony laws. Extremely risky, again likely proving that it was likely the first female that paid any real attention to him, necessitating him to lock her down as fast as possible, regardless of the insane risk involved. I hope for his sake, that marriage never dies. And for Facebook's, as it could force a sale of it to less competent people, or a partial selloff causing job losses or problems with maintaining dominance in it's niche etc. ALL because of one guy, limited success with women, and desperation, it can cause massive problems in a situation like this. It's been in the news often before.
Elliot Hulse I always respected. Seemed to be a "real" voice for masculinity. I'm extremely disappointed to see that photo. Oh well. I can't look up to a guy that isn't where I'm at, OR, want to be in a certain area. To me, if "coaches" in this area don't have the lifestyle I want, or have women around them I am attracted to, I don't see a point in following them. At that point, I view them as charlatans, or at best, advocating a different direction than I'd like to go, so I need to find someone else at that point.
I too wonder if all of this "hot girls are almost always bad people and you shouldn't judge them by their looks" guilting and shaming is forcing us to try to be happy with mediocre women, even if we aren't mediocre ourselves. I know a woman in an equal spot wouldn't be happy and there doesn't seem to be a problem with that in society, which is why boring nice guys or ugly guys, or short guys, or broke guys, are in the friend zone or worse. So, the double standard again is interesting to see. I probably could've EASILY settled down with some warpig vastly below myself in value long ago, as many of my friends have done to their own detriment. Bottom line, if she isn't hot and doesn't attract me, I'd rather be single. Nothing wrong with attraction, it's reality, I wish people would be strong enough to admit that and not feel the urge to hold back so they don't get demonised. Women have their attraction triggers, we have ours, but only ours seem to be so resented and attacked. I too tend to worry about this demonisation of beautiful women due to other's past experiences at times. I've met so many beautiful women that are awesome people, most of them shocking me because of that as I believed the "hot girls are bitches" nonsense since it's so prevalent which to me has been vastly proven false now. I believe that is spread by women, jealous of hot one's attractiveness, to try to ruin their SMV, or to make themselves feel better for being outclassed, as well as guys who simply weren't developed enough to be equal to an attractive woman in value or more so and she sensed it and rejected him and he got butthurt about it. And instead of admitting that and realising if he wanted girls like her he needed to develop more to be on that level of value or more, he demonised her and others like her, as it's easier to tear others down, than to build yourself up, much like the women I mentioned earlier. Now, I know full well their appearance is irrelevant to their personality, it can go either way, so casting off hot women because you believe they're "bitches", and purposely going for ugly/fat women as they're "nice", is crazy, and a massive downgrade regardless. So we don't need this "If they're hot, they're likely a bitch, but if they're ugly and fat, they're likely nice, so go with those ones to save yourself the trouble" stuff. I've met many examples of the opposites of both. And some of us are not willing to vastly downgrade so easily. I'd hardly spend a year of listening to this sub, never mind the others since 2013, for some woman that weighs 200 pounds but has "a great personality", lol. What a terrible waste of time all the sub use would be. I work hard, and have taken care of myself physically now a great deal, so I want someone who does the same thing, especially since as a man, many of my attraction triggers are visual and physical, and there's zero wrong with that because it's natural. I'm tired of being shamed and even self-shaming when I was ignorant, about natural sexual attraction and self-censoring. It is what it is. If many women are so upset about that, do something about it, put down the big mac and hop on a treadmill, whining and guilting and shaming won't change millions of years (Rule 4, lawl) of evolution.
I guess my point is, I've worked hard to develop a great life, with great value. So I would NOT be satisfied with a mediocre woman. If I'm not at the point where I am developed enough where I can attract the attractive women I want, then I will be single and continue developing until I am. I will not undervalue myself, and go for mediocre out of desperation or giving up. I guess this is an issue of standards, how much you want to continue developing to be at the level of attractive women, or if you want to give up and accept mediocre. That's a choice each man has to make themselves, perhaps. Me? Go big or go home, like every other aspect of my life.
Now, I'm going to get ready and go out to give DMSI another spin! T, here I come, haha.