(04-06-2017, 12:42 PM)CatMan Wrote: Thanks Duke. I'll keep pressing forward we'll see what happens. I guess they need to have something to be attracted TO in order for this to work, so internal stuff seems sensible to be at the forefront to start things off. Maybe in time the rest can follow suit externally to back it all up.
Hi MD81. To be honest, aside from sub-induced daydreams or dreams, I haven't seriously entertained the idea of actually having sex with any of the girls around me. It always seemed like teasing myself, given my starting point and skills with women in reality. Now, I view it as still being a bit difficult to really, fully, conceptualise actually happening, as it is so far removed from my current reality, as Shannon has said before. I suppose in time it may be easier once that changes if DMSI final punches through for me, or perhaps an earlier version. But also, I didn't want to daydream about how it SHOULD or COULD go down, because that may cause disappointment when I or she don't live up to some preconceived fantasy, you know? I want it to be natural, and chill, not a fantasy at all as a man who is desired by women would not need to initiate fantasy about being with women. It's just the norm, you know? Plus, that takes all the pressure and expectation off me and her, so it can just happen how it happens. And yes, I fully understand sex can be immediate, given the right circumstances. Not for me...I've never experienced it, but I know for a fact it's possible for other men to get with women quickly, 100%. I don't think that's something I'd feel comfortable doing so early, but I know it's possible for others. I've had long term issues with rejection and not getting any momentum with girls, so I'm a bit behind on things. But that doesn't mean I'm arrogant and think if it's true for me it is for everyone. I've known a lot of the "bad boy" types that have zero issues with women, even FWB or quick sex within meeting them. Was just something I never was able to do. And on that girl with the kid who is one of, if not THE, hottest girl I've ever seen, I wouldn't want to just have sex with her like that. She's already been treated as Shannon says "a masturbation sleeve" often enough, I don't want to do that. And I don't have such "NEED" anymore, I'm still attracted to her, but it isn't the "Unh! I'm so horny on this sub, I need to bang a hot girl NOW!!!" horny/needy vibe. It's like a quiet, soothing, self-assuredness. So, I'm not sure how to proceed in that situation, if it wasn't for her stupidly getting pregnant, then I probably would've dated her upon her return to my city. Now, it's far more complicated. I don't want an instant family, but I don't want to have sex with her, lead her on like it will become a relationship, only to start a fade out. Feels scummy to me and she's been good to me, so the last thing I'd do is use her like that. I don't seem to really be into some FWB situation with any girl either. I guess I'm using this sub to be able to actually have women attracted to me finally, so I can probably date one. But, I'm not even sure about dating right now, from where I'm at that's a big adjustment too, and also tough to imagine as well because it too has been so far removed from my reality. So maybe the bar for success is currently just simply seeing clear interest with zero doubt from girls I find attractive.
Hi Wolverine! I'll watch how others blaze the trail first. With the unique form of healing and clearing in Version A, and how I seem to be seeing some kind of internal stuff going on, I want to continue to build on that possible momentum. I'll be watching and cheering the Version B Master Race on, lol! Me personally, being long considered one of the "resisters", I may need to stick to Version A awhile and continue to make up ground, even if it's in smaller amounts at a time. I'm just happy with any kind of change to show the sub is doing anything to me, even though I'm not sure if anything external is happening, with T or otherwise. Maybe it is and I'm misinterpreting her awkwardness and limited vocabulary with me, given everything else she's done, but regardless, I think for now clearing and healing with Version A seems to be the best course for me. I don't want to jump prematurely, I want to really build up some solid ground under me first.
Big difference between fantasy and visualisation. Visualisation is a great way to get you comfortable with a new reality. I lost my virginity after doing visualisation of it happening with a specific girl every night for a couple of weeks. The way it happened, completely effortlessly, it felt like a dream because I'd seen it in my mind so many times prior. I actually mostly visualised us lying in bed after the act, and felt how I imagined I'd feel etc.
Also, it's not either committed relationship or pump and dump. There's also fwb or mltr.
Turning super saiyan.
