DMSI v5

[treble]

And after reading this post, I see that using the lighter version may not just make the process slower -- it may not work at all. That's completely my misunderstanding.

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid269350

[Shannon]

Alright. Let me put this a different way. You wouldn't go on a forum about Corvettes and judge the performance of a 2025 Corvette based on the reported performance of a 1963 Corvette, a 1974 Corvette, a 1985 Corvette and a 1999 Corvette. The point I am making is valid, both logically and otherwise. And it goes both ways: you can't use positive results from past versions to advertise this version, either. That's why we don't do that. There's more to a version change than is obvious to the end user, especially when you go from one major version number to another. It's been around 2 years since I released v3.5 of DMSI, IIRC, and the tech that makes it possible to get it working has changed and improved a lot in that time. So not only has the Key Script changed (the script that tells your subconscious what the goal is), but the Skeleton Script (which tells your subconscious how to support and achieve the goals in the Key Script) has changed dramatically for the better. Old versions really don't make sense to compare this to.

As for the results being how women respond... think about this from a different angle. If you are using DMSI because you're not having an easy time with getting to sex... and I infer that because I believe I remember that you started off with using the instructions for hard cases.... then you have to consider the fact that the program has to get you to work through the reasons and causes for that situation. It isn't a magic wand. If it was, I'd be a lot more famous and rich right now, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. The fact is, I have to work with reality. Which means getting your subconscious to work through the reasons for your interest in DMSI. Which means you will be working through fears, and faulty beliefs, and traumas and all sorts of BS that is holding you back. There's nothing I can do to just skip that. So really, you did subscribe to DMSI to have the dreams and such. That's part of the process for some people, and that's how you get to the goal.

Headaches almost always indicate that your subconscious is fighting tooth and nail to resist the instructions in the program, and failing. It's either a stress headache, where the stress of the process of resisting causes it, or it's a sabotage headache, where the goal is to cause you pain in order to get you to stop using the program. It should not be very long that you have headaches, but headaches indicate that some part of you is REALLY fighting hard to prevent the program from achieving it's goals, while other parts are trying very hard to cooperate. In 6G, headaches should be rare and not last long at all before the cooperative parts of the subconscious make the necessary changes, which ends them.

I seem to have misunderstood your post about the aura. I'll share with you some more information, then. The aura requires certain things to be projected. First, you need cooperative execution of the script, and second, you need the energy to project it. It is not uncommon for people who are initially trying to fight the program to experience little to no aura. The fact that you experience it after you eat is about the fact that there is fuel, and at least SOME cooperation. But it is obviously not sufficient for full projection.

As the cooperative parts of your subconscious make the changes necessary, they will make progress towards the goals of the program that result in what you're most interested in. But those things that stand in the way are the reason you are interested in DMSI in the first place. If you are a very strong willed personality type - and headaches from resistance suggests that you have quite a strong will - then the parts of your subconscious that are not cooperating in the beginning will be working against the parts that are cooperating, and doing whatever they can to shut down the execution, projection, etc. Over time, given proper use and enough time, the cooperative parts will override the non-cooperative parts and the non-cooperative parts will be either persuaded to become cooperative, or relieved of their fears and then cooperate.

Fear removal is one of the most challenging goals any subliminal can have because of how deeply wired the brain is to experience fear, since that is what kept the human race alive for so long. If the Fear Removal Module had nothing to do, you'd be smooth sailing. In your case, it does have something to do, so that becomes the priority. Once you have sufficient progress in that direction, you should start experiencing more of the things the program is trying to do, like the aura firing up.

Usually for me, it feels like I am out in the summer sun at the beach in Florida, without sun screen on. It feels like I am mildly baking. The sensation may or may not happen all the time, and it is possible that you're projecting without feeling it. Some people do that. For that, it is useful to watch how others respond to you. Learning body language is especially important, since that's how women communicate 90% of what they're communicating.

Of course the goal is to get obvious results and responses, and once you get far enough that will happen. But you still have to pay attention, unless you get to the point that women are literally walking over and seducing you. That is also possible, but that is the end game, where you're past the self sabotage and self limiting fear and you are doing everything the instructions are guiding you to do. Until then, you can get less obvious but still very positive results, which you can leverage into sex as well.

EDIT: Just to explain a little bit. The instructions for "normals" is much less than the instructions for hard cases. In this case it's not about speed of effects, it's about the amount of input required to overcome the resistance to the instructions being input. So using the instructions for "normals" isn't going to be enough, and it will be resisted completely if you have the level of subconscious fear that typically results in "hard cases". It most likely would require an insane amount of time to achieve results using the instructions for "normals" if you happen to be a "hard case". And we want results, not endless struggle.

I hope this helps. If you have any questions, let me know.

[treble]

Yeahhhh you're absolutely right with the Corvette analogy. Point well taken and I fully agree.

This post and your previous DMSI post are pure gold. This breakdown makes so much sense and your analysis of me here is spot on. I had plenty of misconceptions myself, and I'll keep this information in mind going forward. Thanks a lot 

(But please understand what I mean if I say "no results" in the future)

[London1]

Im starting to believe and i think others too are starting to believe these things dont work.

The description of DMSI makes it seem like some magical thing with guaranteed results but its far from that, its all a sham (im not saying this is Shannon's intention)

That sounds a bit like projection.  I tried to be as factual as possible in the description of DMSI, and the result is a very long, very boring description that is absolutely awful "ad copy".  If I was to write the description as "ad copy", then you might have a point. As for guaranteed results, why would I have so many caveats and disclaimers if there were guaranteed results?  I have that because the responses guys have given over time to previous versions have been so wildly disparate.  You can easily see that by looking up past results.  We do have a money back guarantee, if you purchased DMSI v5 and you ask for a refund within the time limit PayPal will allow for it (I think 90 days, but it's in the refund policy if you want to look) and have followed the instructions... but there is nowhere in the product description where I say that the results are magical or guaranteed for everybody.

Your results will depend on your unique circumstances.  If you use it properly and you give it the necessary time to do what it needs to do to achieve the goal, you should achieve the goal (sex, most likely initiated by her).  The key here is... use it, use it properly, and give it time.  Remember, the reason you're not getting what you want without it boils down to fear.  The fear removal module can get you through that, but you cannot remove fear faster than your fearful parts can handle the process.  If you try, it just makes the fear worse.  I don't dictate how fast that process goes - you do.  For some people this takes more time, and for some, less time.  It may require several months.  

If you can't get laid without DMSI, you can't get laid with it. Anything that does happen is placebo; you believing that something will change because you believe you're doing this secret thing that one else knows about. Its not the sub itself. Same for all other subs i think.

I've been using OGSF for months now, payed $650, and no difference at all. Idk really what justifies this price.

This is not accurate.  I have seen guys who couldn't get laid without it who did (and have) gotten laid with it.  Multiple times.

And if you think that anything that does happen is placebo, then you're always going to chalk up what it does accomplish as placebo and insist that it did nothing.  We have a few guys who consistently do this, and they're still virgins.  It doesn't help you achieve the goals.  In fact I dare say that what you're actually doing here is watching your fearful subconscious try to manipulate your conscious mind with beliefs that will prevent DMSI from working, or if it does manage to achieve something through this faulty thinking, you have an excuse to still say it didn't work.

Go read the article I wrote on "What is placebo?"  Then consider that we could not stay in business if these subliminals were only producing placebo effects.  They're too expensive for that.

If you've arrived at thinking that all of my subs only work on placebo, then there are two things going on.  First, the sneaky subconscious effort to prevent you from getting results, which is done out of a fear of being controlled by the subliminals usually and sometimes also a fear of what it means if the subliminal does work (you may have a world view that needs changing, which can be very scary); also, it is common for you subconsciously to be very afraid of achieving the goal of the program.  But if you're not getting results from multiple of my subliminals, then you're almost certainly dealing with the first and or second issues.  

I suggest you also go read the post about the types of resistance and how to spot them, if you have not already done so. There are types of resistance that do all sorts of things, including trying to hide the results from your conscious awareness so you believe nothing is happening.  As for OGSF, I know someone who gets such good results from it that it would be over her dead body that she stopped using it.  

Don't fall for the faulty logic of thinking that just because you are having trouble, that none of them work for anyone else.  Believe me, again... we could not stay in business if that was the case.  And now that I am back from vacation, let me know if you have any questions in my response thread.

Im sorry if my post sounded rude

[Shannon]

That sounds a bit like projection.  I tried to be as factual as possible in the description of DMSI, and the result is a very long, very boring description that is absolutely awful "ad copy".  If I was to write the description as "ad copy", then you might have a point. As for guaranteed results, why would I have so many caveats and disclaimers if there were guaranteed results?  I have that because the responses guys have given over time to previous versions have been so wildly disparate.  You can easily see that by looking up past results.  We do have a money back guarantee, if you purchased DMSI v5 and you ask for a refund within the time limit PayPal will allow for it (I think 90 days, but it's in the refund policy if you want to look) and have followed the instructions... but there is nowhere in the product description where I say that the results are magical or guaranteed for everybody.

Your results will depend on your unique circumstances.  If you use it properly and you give it the necessary time to do what it needs to do to achieve the goal, you should achieve the goal (sex, most likely initiated by her).  The key here is... use it, use it properly, and give it time.  Remember, the reason you're not getting what you want without it boils down to fear.  The fear removal module can get you through that, but you cannot remove fear faster than your fearful parts can handle the process.  If you try, it just makes the fear worse.  I don't dictate how fast that process goes - you do.  For some people this takes more time, and for some, less time.  It may require several months.  



This is not accurate.  I have seen guys who couldn't get laid without it who did (and have) gotten laid with it.  Multiple times.

And if you think that anything that does happen is placebo, then you're always going to chalk up what it does accomplish as placebo and insist that it did nothing.  We have a few guys who consistently do this, and they're still virgins.  It doesn't help you achieve the goals.  In fact I dare say that what you're actually doing here is watching your fearful subconscious try to manipulate your conscious mind with beliefs that will prevent DMSI from working, or if it does manage to achieve something through this faulty thinking, you have an excuse to still say it didn't work.

Go read the article I wrote on "What is placebo?"  Then consider that we could not stay in business if these subliminals were only producing placebo effects.  They're too expensive for that.

If you've arrived at thinking that all of my subs only work on placebo, then there are two things going on.  First, the sneaky subconscious effort to prevent you from getting results, which is done out of a fear of being controlled by the subliminals usually and sometimes also a fear of what it means if the subliminal does work (you may have a world view that needs changing, which can be very scary); also, it is common for you subconsciously to be very afraid of achieving the goal of the program.  But if you're not getting results from multiple of my subliminals, then you're almost certainly dealing with the first and or second issues.  

I suggest you also go read the post about the types of resistance and how to spot them, if you have not already done so. There are types of resistance that do all sorts of things, including trying to hide the results from your conscious awareness so you believe nothing is happening.  As for OGSF, I know someone who gets such good results from it that it would be over her dead body that she stopped using it.  

Don't fall for the faulty logic of thinking that just because you are having trouble, that none of them work for anyone else.  Believe me, again... we could not stay in business if that was the case.  And now that I am back from vacation, let me know if you have any questions in my response thread.

Im sorry if my post sounded rude

I appreciate that.

[treble]

Cycle 3 (Hard case)

2 minor results

Overall, the biggest thing I confirmed from this cycle was that people want to talk to me more now. I noticed it a bit from cycle 1 but wanted to really pay attention to make sure it wasn't my imagination. 

• The people in my life that I talk to regularly seem to just want to chat and chat and go on with no real end unless they absolutely have to go.
  
• Met up with a former coworker who I found difficult to talk to when we met up previously for work, and he wouldn't stop talking about all sorts of stuff over the course of two days.
  

Based on Shannon's comments, I'm trying to be more open-minded about what I consider results as part of this process. Didn't get anywhere near the goal, but two moments stood out to me:

• Was walking home one night and saw an attractive woman wearing a yukata on the way to a party. Always a good combination. She was on the phone, and I gave her a few glances as I walked past her. Then from right behind me, I hear -- loudly -- what translates to the effect of, "This guy is checking me out." So she was basically inviting a comment from me. I didn't feel any aura or anything but based on the explanation about the fear module, I'd say it was an opportunity to work through the fear of directly complimenting strange women. Didn't say anything though. 
  
• Went to a baseball game and went to grab food with a dude in my group during a break between innings. On the way back to our seats, I catch the eyes of two young, attractive girls of questionable age -- could be legal or could be slightly underage -- standing quite some distance from us in a crowd, and one of them can't stop giggling and looking at me and then looking away repeatedly. I looked back to check them out one more time and they kind of half-heartedly walked up to where we had been and then turned around and ran away back into the crowd... it was weird.
  

Both of these times, I didn't feel any aura or sniper and honestly felt like a bit of a scrub (my appearance, clothes, etc.) But I have to count that as some sort of result, because these types of reactions haven't really happened in recent times.

Those two events aside, I have felt quite invisible to women and the world, low on sexual confidence, low sex drive, etc. 

At the same time, I'm developing more conviction for my next steps even though they are quite scary. I'm embracing the idea of extreme change and selfishly doing what I need at all costs to get myself and my life in a better place.

I started an interview process with a team that seems to have quite a few attractive women... will certainly be taking notes as I go through the process.

Dreams are still vivid and I'm still getting the occasional nightmare or freaky dream. In this cycle, one of them included spiders... dear god. I hope they go away soon. But I AM sleeping through the night much more often now, which is better.

Oh! I'm also seeing angel numbers like crazy.

[treble]

I saw that DMSI v5.1 and new instructions will be available soon. Not sure if I should stall and wait for that or continue on my first listening day of cycle 4 tomorrow. Extreme hard case................... hmmmmmmmmmmm..........

[Shannon]

Went to a baseball game and went to grab food with a dude in my group during a break between innings. On the way back to our seats, I catch the eyes of two young, attractive girls of questionable age -- could be legal or could be slightly underage -- standing quite some distance from us in a crowd, and one of them can't stop giggling and looking at me and then looking away repeatedly. I looked back to check them out one more time and they kind of half-heartedly walked up to where we had been and then turned around and ran away back into the crowd... it was weird.

This was a HUGE hit.  Not just one, but TWO of them, reacting in kind, at the same time, without getting upset with each other?  They usually will either defer to one or the other so only one will respond, or rarely, they will start fighting over who gets to be interested.

Giggling like that, and looking at you and looking away repeatedly is- in "womanese" - about as blatant as a "girl" will get in saying, "Hey, you, I think you're hot, I really like you, please come talk to me because I'm to scared to come talk to you."

Women don't usually use this giggle tactic, but girls will often do this.  When this happens, it is a BIG hit, and an invitation for you to approach and talk to her.  When I got this kind of response when I was younger, I would usually blow it, but I found that it worked well to smile, make direct eye contact, wink (maybe with a nod) and do something else (communicating, "Hey, I see you, I like you too, but you're going to have to approach me.") or I would walk over and say something like, "What's so funny,is my hair sticking up or something?" in a playful way.  It would break the ice and let some conversation start. 

This is just a light suggestion because things may be different based on where you are and various other factors.

But seriously... when a girl does that and giggles, the more she looks at you and looks away and back at you, and the more she giggles, the more she is communicating (in "woman-ese", or maybe "girl-ese") that she finds you VERY attractive and she REALLY wants you to approach and talk to her.  Her doing even this invites criticism from other girls, who understand exactly what she is doing and communicating, and they may tease her for it.

You are definitely making progress!

By the way, don't try to do the "Extreme Hard Cases" instructions.  Stick with Hard Case for at least 3 or 4 months.

[London1]

Went to a baseball game and went to grab food with a dude in my group during a break between innings. On the way back to our seats, I catch the eyes of two young, attractive girls of questionable age -- could be legal or could be slightly underage -- standing quite some distance from us in a crowd, and one of them can't stop giggling and looking at me and then looking away repeatedly. I looked back to check them out one more time and they kind of half-heartedly walked up to where we had been and then turned around and ran away back into the crowd... it was weird.

This was a HUGE hit.  Not just one, but TWO of them, reacting in kind, at the same time, without getting upset with each other?  They usually will either defer to one or the other so only one will respond, or rarely, they will start fighting over who gets to be interested.

Giggling like that, and looking at you and looking away repeatedly is- in "womanese" - about as blatant as a "girl" will get in saying, "Hey, you, I think you're hot, I really like you, please come talk to me because I'm to scared to come talk to you."

Women don't usually use this giggle tactic, but girls will often do this.  When this happens, it is a BIG hit, and an invitation for you to approach and talk to her.  When I got this kind of response when I was younger, I would usually blow it, but I found that it worked well to smile, make direct eye contact, wink (maybe with a nod) and do something else (communicating, "Hey, I see you, I like you too, but you're going to have to approach me.") or I would walk over and say something like, "What's so funny,is my hair sticking up or something?" in a playful way.  It would break the ice and let some conversation start. 

This is just a light suggestion because things may be different based on where you are and various other factors.

But seriously... when a girl does that and giggles, the more she looks at you and looks away and back at you, and the more she giggles, the more she is communicating (in "woman-ese", or maybe "girl-ese") that she finds you VERY attractive and she REALLY wants you to approach and talk to her.  Her doing even this invites criticism from other girls, who understand exactly what she is doing and communicating, and they may tease her for it.

You are definitely making progress!

By the way, don't try to do the "Extreme Hard Cases" instructions.  Stick with Hard Case for at least 3 or 4 months.

So who is extreme hard case for now? Im guessing for special cases like me with severe fear, self esteem and confidence issues haha.
Although it sounds tempting im not going to try it because I need to work on this ogsf but out of curiosity is it designed to work for people who are going through these issues?

[London1]

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[treble]

You are definitely making progress!

By the way, don't try to do the "Extreme Hard Cases" instructions.  Stick with Hard Case for at least 3 or 4 months.

Thanks for the feedback, and will do.

[treble]

Cycle 4 (Hard case)

No results

Overall a crappy cycle. Felt really negative and down, wanted to quit listening, hungry AF, tired AF, and lousy dreams. 

I experienced beyond-hard erections in the morning, including one that legit stayed for a good 20 minutes this morning, and then basically nothing during the day. No libido, no drive, no nothing.

All of this is an expected part of the process, but was not enjoyable and I had no fun results to speak of.

Today (day 5) I woke up to two more rejection messages from job applications, including the one I mentioned in my previous cycle report. Joy.

That being said, I finally experienced the aura in real life.

I walked past this high school girl in her uniform and the aura triggered like a mother fucker. I mean it hit like a truck. She was perfectly my type physically, with a sinful combination of cute and innocent looking with unmistakable hints of slutty. I came from behind her and before I saw her face I already knew she was it for me. I felt a jolt in my stomach and then a slow burn of fire that built up as I got closer. And when we made eye contact as I walked by, the aura got so fucking hot it was unbelievable. I experienced full body arousal, with heavy breathing and everything. My body was roasting.

Woah.

Happy to see DMSI v5.1 released, but I wasn't as happy to pay another $75 before even one month on v5. But I couldn't pass up the upgrade to v5.1 as it seems like it might be a smoother ride. I'll start it tomorrow for cycle 5.

[Shannon]

Those are all signs of./.. progress. Good stuff, even when it's not fun. Sometimes, we need to blast the mountain out of the way to build a smooth road.

Now you know what the aura feels like. It will trigger according to how close to your ideal the woman is. If she is 100% idea, it will trigger at 100%.

The journey's not always fun, but DMSI v5.x ain't no joke, as they say.

When switching between versions, give yourself at least 2 days between usage cycles.

[treble]

Thanks Shannon.

Oof I need to wait two more days? OK will do.