Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon I recommend you drink apple cider vinegar everyday and you won't get the flu and won't be needing MIR.

That stuff works. Of course only diluted and organic. To be sure just go for Bragg's.

I had forgotten about that. Not sure where mine is anymore, I use to use it to remove especially stubborn warts. Haven't had any warts for years, so not sure what happened to the ACV. Never thought of using it for cold or flu. But then, I get sick so rarely that of course I wouldn't remember to think of something like that.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon,

I was thinking we have a lot of "AYP" subs...I was thinking if you have any plans for making subs for people who are already in relationship? Kinda Mix of Romance, Trust ..Kinda like "Improve ur relationship with ur Wife/Girlfriend" type sub..

Not bad ideas. Make a thread in the requests section, please.

[Shannon]

OF

Hey Shannon, In regards to OF 5G

(Trypophobia) <---- This is ruining my life, and it's linked to fear of holes.

Okay, I hope you read this and I'm going to stop here just writing this makes my skin crawl and itch. Google the definition and you'll see what I mean and for those who already suffer from this you'll know that it gets bad. I don't know why but OF 4G triggers the reaction since I have been listening to it, when I look or even think of certain images linked to the phobia and it's beyond my conscious control it kicks off a storm ...

Hopefully it will get rid of that fear as well

I've actually been contemplating how the OF 5G script would affect phobias while I was sick and unable to get out of bed. I think it may benefit from some optimization in that direction. I'll have to do a bit of research on the differences between fears and phobias.

[Shannon]

Regardless of how similar the script is in the end for the 5G versions of OF and OGSF, the best option depends on the desired goal and the specifics of the individual. In most cases, my opinion is that OGSF will be the better of the two because it deals with all three simultaneously; but, because there is less focus, this process will take longer for each of the three targets. If guilt or shame are not a serious concern for you, or are not a concern right now, then OF 5G would provide the advantage of focus and thus increased obviousness (since apparently "obviation" is too advanced a word for modern English dictionaries) and speed of results.

I suggested OGSF because in all cases I have studied, the three together, guilt/shame/fear have been present and to some degree inter-supportive and inter-affective.

I'm very sure that I "FEAR" things. Not really sure about "guilt" or "shame". Should I just run OGSF 5G since I'll be listening to it for 3 to 6 months?

Sounds like you are really positive that all fear has some issues of guilt or shame associated with it.

On the contrary, I am really positive that everyone has guilt, shame and fear to deal with. The guilt and shame may or may not be tied in with the fear. If the fear is a bigger issue, then focus on that. For a better overall clear-out, deal with all three at once.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon, I just remembered that I read somewhere if the subliminal messages are sped up they become way less effective. You might know this already, just thought I'd let you know anyway in case you were using that method to increase the input as you claim the 5G versions have a massive subliminal data input to your brain.

When you adjust the time in which the audio is expressed by shortening the time without trying to reduce the amount of audio to be expressed, you get the phenomenon that past a certain point, even the best techniques are forced to lose so much audio data that the audio is no longer comprehensible to even the subconscious mind. This is simple fact; when you reduce the time, the number of samples must be increased or you lose data.

So if we want to stay at 44.1 kHz sample rate, we must find the point at which we have the best speed and retain comprehensibility. I have done that. There is a limit to how much faster the speech can be made, and beyond that limit, you rapidly lose comprehension. It plots out on a comprehension vs speed XY plot as a line that remains relatively flat until you begin approaching the limit, and then past the limit, drops off like a stone.

I'm probably the only person alive who knows, with as much specificity and accuracy as I do, just exactly how fast you can increase the speed of speech without losing comprehension.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon, I just remembered that I read somewhere if the subliminal messages are sped up they become way less effective. You might know this already, just thought I'd let you know anyway in case you were using that method to increase the input as you claim the 5G versions have a massive subliminal data input to your brain.

Source pls?

I just tried to find it but couldn't. It was a pretty long time back when I was looking for a good subliminal to use before I came across Shannon's work. I came across a thread that mentioned about hyperspeed today and was reminded of what I had read, so thought I'd mention it and let Shannon know just in case he didn't know.

The one I read before I found this site said that our subconscious can only understand the speed of words our conscious mind can understand and that anything else wasn't scientifically proven to work. I still bought AM6 and I was skeptical of these subs working because of that article, but also torn because of the good journals. Well I figured out it was ***** because first hand experience tells me that these subs work. The funny thing is is that article I read was from another subliminal company...

The subconscious can most assuredly understand speech at much higher rates of speed than the conscious mind can. The claims of "not scientifically proven to work" is a red herring that they rely on because the cost and difficulty of doing clinical double blind trials is very high, and it's nearly impossible for small businesses to do those trials. We'll get there, but it'll take a little longer.

[Shannon]

I'll state my thoughts on this article in chunks.

Do Subliminal Messages Work?

Tips to Avoid buying Bogus Subliminal Message Products

What is Real and what is Subliminal *****?

Many companies that sell Subliminal Message products will promote how their products ‘go beyond‘ typical (often described as old fashioned or outdated techniques) subliminal message systems. Most common ‘Advanced & Powerful” promises of product effectiveness are added by using techniques such as

1) Reversed Speech: Embedding the Subliminal Affirmations in Reversed playback. The Claim is that it allows the suggestions to bypass the critical Conscious Mind and access the Subconscious Mind

"Typical" by this definition sounds like what I call 1st Generation technology, which was top of the line in the 1970's and 1980's. I think we've discovered that a few newer and more advanced things work by this point.

While I don't use it, to the best of my knowledge reversed messaging works. I haven't spent a lot of time studying it.

2) Sped up messages: Embedding the Subliminal Affirmations played at super high speeds. (check the sample of this later in the article)

At up to the limit of comprehension, this works. Beyond that limit, of course it fails. But it does work.

3) Silent tracks: Nothing is Embedded, the volume of the affirmations is recorded below anyone’s ability to hear them

The way this is described, it's referring to truly ancient techniques. Silent tracks haven't been based on low volume alone since the 1970's.

While these claims sound nice, and are designed to appeal to your desire to believe that your subconscious mind is capable of this incredible feats – They are simple not true.

Incorrect.

You are wasting your time and money on marketing fantasy with absolutely no evidence that it works! This is the same as claiming that because you painted Angel wings on your car it will now fly.

Sentence number one in this quote is an opinion, and sentence number two is a logical fallacy that does not give me much confidence in the author's knowledge or thinking skills. Besides, how can you waste money if you can get your money back if you don't get the desired results?

The advancement of Neuroscience while freely admitting does not understand many things about the human brain, does understand a tremendous amount, AND more importantly knows what the brain is not capable of. The Sub Conscious mind does not encode a secret message in reversed speech to express your ‘true’ intentions when speaking. Neurons do not respond to stimulus it does not hear, nor can you understand speech speed up at a rate where it is gobbledygook.

Modern neuroscience knows a lot, but does it know how much it does not know? Have you noticed that every few months/years/decades, a new fact is confidently paraded forth by science, which discredits or supersedes the one before it? In other words... they don't know. They have some of the puzzle, but not all of it. And misunderstandings, logic errors and assumptions can make that worse.

Point #1: The brain is capable of things neuroscience has not yet discovered. This therefore invalidates the idea that they know definitively what it is NOT capable of.

Point #2: This author is assuming that the subconscious mind and the brain are one and the same thing, which is definitively not the case.

Point #3: Neurons don't hear. Hearing is a result of the combined function of the auditory SYSTEM, not neurons.

Point #4: The conscious mind's limits of perception are far and away less than those of the subconscious mind. The statement given assumes that there is no difference between the perceptory range of the conscious and subconscious minds, which was dis proven in the late 1800's when subliminal effect was discovered!

Point #5: The conscious mind ccannot comprehend speech at speeds that the subconscious mind can. However, there are limits for moth degrees of awareness, beyond which, yes, it becomes "gobbledygook".

The Science of Subliminal Messaging

The science of Subliminal Messaging is based on the messages being there, but beyond the threshold of conscious perception. The messages must be perceivable without the encoding stimulus or else they just do not work. This means that any type of affirmations given in a subliminal message product must be able to be heard and understood if the background (masking) sound was not there.

Not true. Subconscious perceptual limits far outstrip conscious perceptual limits.

You will find that in true recordings you will sometimes hear a muffled sound of the affirmations in the session at certain times. This is when the background music has a rising and lowering volume level and sometimes the affirmations are heard at the low points of volume. For this reason using music is not always the best ‘carrier track’ and something with a steady white noise (like ocean waves) is better.

This is an opinion, as hearing those muffled sounds from the subliminal audio is not going to make it any less effective.

Any Subliminal Message Recordings with other claims (reversed, silent, super fast etc) should be a red flag that you are dealing with either a con artist or someone with good intentions but fell into the trap of believing fantasy about what the mind can do and never checked with the real science of what is known.

This author's knowledge of the subject is so limited, so biased and so faulty that s/he serves as a prime example of what I talk about when I say... most people think they know everything there is to know about the subject after surfing the net for a few hours.

If we never tried to advance the limits of what "real science" knows, we would still be letting blood to cure disease and burning people at the stake. The fact that scientific proof is very expensive is not the fault of those who are working in the field without funds to "scientifically prove" their work. But given a refund policy like we have, and a public forum like we have, AND free full version samples... how on earth could we possibly stay in business if this stuff didn't work?! Hmmm.

There is Absolutely NO EVIDENCE that any Subliminal Message given beyond normal conscious perception (as opposed to masked by a carrier sound) has any effect. NO Study of ANY product has ever produced a result.

Corrected version:

There is Absolutely NO EVIDENCE that I am aware of or accept as valid that any Subliminal Message given beyond normal conscious perception (as opposed to masked by a carrier sound) has any effect. NO Study that I know of, or accept as valid, of ANY product has ever produced a result.

Which brings me to the final points:

People assume they know everything by jumping to conclusions, or studying the subject for very short periods of time. It's a well known fact that people using absolutes in arguments are usually wrong by virtue of the fact that there is indeed precious little under the sun that exists in absolutes instead of shades of gray. Just because you haven't taken the time to look, or refuse to accept it as valid, does not mean it does not exist or is not valid.

And, the grammar in the second sentence absolutely assures that the author is wrong, because all trials and studies produce a result, even if the result is "nothing happened". But bypassing the author's terrible use of grammar so far (which invalidates them for being a competent subliminal scripter, by the way) we can respond to what they meant instead of what they literally said with this:

Wrong.

All in all, it's people like this who are the reason why subliminal sciences are still largely in the stone age. And thank you, because you're only making my job easier by contrast. Keep it up.

[FluffyBunny]

hey Shannon

Is OGSF in MSL ? cause i find that i am associating some fears with implementing my learning

like some of the things i read, i would think " this small thing will probly not help me improve my skill over" so i ignore that small thing . and over time i would neglect all the small thing/tactics/skills that i could of learned to use.

but i had the fear of thinking this is a stupid thing i wont need it, fear of getting make fun of if i use it .

Also i have flexibility issues like i cannot think beyond the example that i am given.

[terry44]

Hi Shannon

Hope you are starting to feel a bit better. I know the horse may have already bolted, but just wondered if you knew about something called Coldzyme? It's a spray that seems to be very good at preventing colds/flu and also very good at reducing the duration of the cold/flu even if taken after infection. It's worth checking out. I've used it a few times when a sore throat was starting and it nipped the infection in the bud, with no proper cold developing.

[dweller94]

OF

Hey Shannon, In regards to OF 5G

(Trypophobia) <---- This is ruining my life, and it's linked to fear of holes.

Okay, I hope you read this and I'm going to stop here just writing this makes my skin crawl and itch. Google the definition and you'll see what I mean and for those who already suffer from this you'll know that it gets bad. I don't know why but OF 4G triggers the reaction since I have been listening to it, when I look or even think of certain images linked to the phobia and it's beyond my conscious control it kicks off a storm ...

Hopefully it will get rid of that fear as well

I've actually been contemplating how the OF 5G script would affect phobias while I was sick and unable to get out of bed. I think it may benefit from some optimization in that direction. I'll have to do a bit of research on the differences between fears and phobias.

that's awesome thank you!
All the more reason to get OF / OSGF 5G

[CatMan]

Shannon, I want the skills and attraction and all that good stuff from SM3, but I like WM for the lifestyle. If I fully engrain both but after that only run WM will it be a situation where I'm living the life of WM but still have SM3's skills and attraction for the ride?

If SM3 is fully engrained does that mean all the desires and lifestyle choices are as well or is that only while you are running it? I don't have a problem with the high sex drive its just the empty feeling that I think it will give me. Also I don't want sex to consume my life (at least not for the rest of my life after engraining the program fully).

I don't just want to become a raging man ***** going from girl to girl never being satisfied. Well, obviously at first, but after awhile I'm sure it will get old.

Bro, with how difficult it seems to be truly able to gain all the bulletpoints from ONE magnet, doing two, while also running AM to make sure the foundation gets strengthened and solid in order to support the magnets, seems a bit optimistic.

Shannon has said that 3 runs, and then most of the program's benefits will be yours, generally. Barring outliers who need more runs. So adding a new program to that, essentially adds 192 days x 3 onto the time. And the magnets have different auras and focuses so they conflict by nature in areas too etc.

Honestly, I'd say stick to cycling AM6 and your WM2 and women should be the easiest part of your life after a few runs. It's tough enough to really wrap your head around one magnet, nevermind two.

[Jakeb203]

I think when subliminals stack up they create the most beautiful experience... I have ran AM6 for 2 times with BASE in between. The run after BASE feels pretty special as I definitely have felt that BASE skills are working... such as networking with people, etc. It's not that strong, however. Giving it a number probably would range around 70% compared to I was running BASE. Now I am at AM6 stage 5 nearing the end, I can still feel the impact it is bringing me. BASE programming is definitely weaker but they are there.

I seem to have absorbed BASE pretty nicely compared with AM. My Am programming, barring that I have ran both AM5 and Am6 before, diminished around Stage 4 of BASE. However BASE really remained a long time for me... and I did consciously try to maintain this programming during AM because it is very useful. So the conclusion is that for each run through, depending on your resistance, will last longer or shorter for the next run.

BASE lasted for a long time also because I created a lifestyle that I used it everyday. If you want to maintain all effects from any subs you use, you need to consciously live the programming. I am working mostly on my business nowadays even during AM, and then hitting the gym (which is what I got from AM) every 2 days. For my future WM and SM run-through I will probably create scenarios such as going out every 3 days or so just so all my programmings can integrate into a beautiful piece.

No need to worry about it though if you are willing to use it for the rest of your life (seriously). If you balance out the programming usage, say you run Am-wm-sm for the next 10 years or so, NOT considering any major updates to each, you will get to a point where you live the lifestyle of WM while having attraction and skills from SM. It's just a matter of which one you want more of... if you don't like sex too much then WM, or if you are sex thirsty then SM. Eventually the sub you run more of will overwrite and have more effects than the other. Shannon has answered about the conflicting nature of both subs... Good news that they conflict on the minus part but overall they co-exist.

[Womanizer]

Why apple cider vinegar is so special, what does it do ? any idea? My insane curiosity is speaking.

From the little I know it's because of the alkalinity in it. But you can also switch the order you drink to ALKALINE water. Avoid tap water at all costs.

[Mystic Pymp]

Why apple cider vinegar is so special, what does it do ? any idea? My insane curiosity is speaking.

From the little I know it's because of the alkalinity in it. But you can also switch the order you drink to ALKALINE water. Avoid tap water at all costs.

Every vinegar by definition is acidic, which is like opposite of alkaline. If it was otherwise nobody ever would be worried that apple cider vinegar can damage your teeth. Should have pay more attention in chemistry classes. Just sayin'