12-20-2015, 06:52 AM
(12-20-2015, 01:20 AM)Minititan Wrote:(12-19-2015, 11:58 PM)Darkness Wrote:(12-19-2015, 06:11 PM)Minititan Wrote:(12-19-2015, 05:26 AM)Darkness Wrote: Stealing is stealing.
However what constitutes as stealing, if two people both invest in the product together which one is the thief, if a parent buys a video game for two children to share, who stole the video game. If I buy life tune up for a friend of mine and he plays it over stereo speakers in the same room he sleeps with his wife which one of them is the thief. In that scenario is it even fair for an apcode to exist. Does a couple who want to run the same sub in bed while they sleep have to both buy a copy to receive benefit. The method is unethical because you can't assume that the product is being bought for an individual, if it is and couples can't invest together why would they even consider this when they can turn to the millions of free subliminals on YouTube. Just what part of that is fair? What part of that is stealing? Apple lets me share my purchases with 4 other people, when I rent a digital movie to chill and watch with my girlfriend on a Friday night, I don't rent it twice. It's unfair. It's unethical. And like stated many times the apcode is developed from a scarcity mindset, it's all about pinching the consumer dry, good strategy for making some extra dough in the short term but frankly people will begin to lose trust, so I recently bought MLS 5G for myself and I have also been letting my 22 year old brother use it, (I know, by defintion my copy of MLS+Stop Piracy is technically not being used in accordance with the AP code) but I'll give you my reasoning as a consumer why I have done this
My brother was born with learning disabilities, he still lives with my mum he can't get a job because no one will hire him, I'm doing Japanese at university, he's fascinated with it I love taking the time out to teach him some when I can, he is good at recognising the kanji characters as they are more pictographic than our alphabet, it would take him about 15 minutes to read a short paragraph this size (5ish lines).
However, he can recognise the pictographs and can process it faster than he can English, he's been using MLS for about 4 weeks and yes we checked with his physician to ensure it was safe for him to run subliminal products and she could see no harm in trying, in fact he loves the sub, he has been studying and drawing the characters and it's amazing for me too see him be able to achieve this as there has always been a communication barrier as he struggles to write or text me, and I haven't lived with him for 13 years, but now my brother loves playing his MLS ocean surf track and can now actually text me in Japanese, his speech has also dramatically improved and my mum can't believe the effects the sound of the ocean has had on his communication. Yes he may never work, and he may always have difficulty communicating and building relationships with others but for the first time in his life he has something that he can use to communicate more effectively.
However in reality I bought that subliminal for my university course work, so I know Shannon in your eyes I am some kind of apcode breaking pirate, but am I really the ultimate law breaking pirate for letting him use a product I had purchased to see if it could help him, is it really damaging you that your products get used in this manner, I mean with this as an example he could never be a customer, so its not a missed out sale due to piracy, you still got the sale. This is not a testimonial in any way of your product it's an example of how strict you are being. I mean technically its only one copy as its done over a remote connection, his computer is locked to only be a remote connection of mine as he is still new to computers it prevents him from causing errors that i'd have to travel 100 or so miles to sort. Two people are benefitting though, is it really always black and white? Does it have to be that if i dont agree with your views that you immediately think I'm out to steal from you or attack your business.
(Apologies for any grammar spelling issues it's 2am and I typed this on my phone)
It's act itself. Robin Hood is a thief , no matter how you put, or how noble he was, it's still theft . Like a movie ticket , it use to say admit one. If someone else wanted to watch the movie, with you they needed their own ticket.
It's a security tag , so that work put in gets paid for.
The whole overall point of this thread that an apcode on this kind of product is bad business practice. Yes anti piracy methods exist in many mediums. But the fact a game doesn't play can't compare to a subliminal product, the anti piracy in games has been known to mess up from time to time. If you pirated game Dev story you could do well for a while but then piracy would result in you going bankrupt in game. However that didn't just happen to those who pirated that game, if an install wasn't completely clean you would have this outcome in your game, one of the bad installs was caused by not having a pre installed Microsoft security update that was optional.
The point is without an easy to check apcode that's public, just like any part of the sub. Regardless of how well it's made, there's always the risk you disagree with certain aspects or resist others. There is every possibility that a paying user can trigger the code, because you don't know what you are being influenced by, just like mentioning if I am male has no guarantee that the sub Won't work on females. Don't believe me? if you are one of the people who purchased am5 just prior to am6 and ended up not running it, give your unused copy to your girlfriend and watch what happens, watch what she becomes after 6 months, I know it says it won't work and I can wager you it does and you may be surprised how well it works.
And this under EU and UK law isn't regarded as stealing or copyright, as the product remains in tact it's being used from a single closed environment, and is staying within between two brothers it's considered fair use, and the consumer laws in Europe are more on side with the customer than the supplier, hence why in the UK you wouldn't see a business person speak to a customer the way Shannon spoke above as not only is it bad customer interaction you can't speak to customers like that without the risk of getting sued heavily in a court system that doesn't give two craps about your company if you violate trades acts that defend the customer. Before you rant on about piracy yes the Pirates pretty much have influence over the EU however torrent sites are inaccessible in the U.K. And many European countries without using a vpn from hosted in America or canada
So even if it's okay in America to speak down to your customers and even if my example is seen by some as theft, as I am not distributing the product making physical copies etc, it's not technically piracy in all areas of the world an apcode should reflect that, and for these products to be sold in the uk it should be advertised in the product description that these products themselves that they contain scripting for anti piracy in general not just on the sites terms and conditions. As they contain something that is subliminal that may not sit well with all customers. Vagueness can get you into a whole lot of trouble. If I was to die all my copies of img subs on my computer would then become my brothers under the consumer act he has the right to use these with no punishable aspect of fear mongeing.
Same if I purchased these from a joint credit account it becomes both our property, 50% effectiveness is unfair as both parties have a right to use it, I don't know how that works in America but here both parties would have the right to each view that copy as their own paid copy, and either of them would have the right to request refund through the credit card company, that's why we have credit cards here not for extra cash flow we are advised to make all purchases online with credit cards because it's easier to get your money back if something goes wrong. Two people with a joint account each having their copy on their own iPods is not piracy and it's not stealing and stopping them from having full success with your product is unfair on the customer.
This is how it also works in America. Anyone who says otherwise is brainwashed or retarded.
If you and your brother want to pay half and half for a TV, YOU CAN AND IT'S NOT ILLEGAL people are fuc*ing so stupid it's insane saying stuff like that is illegal, fuc* no that's not even close to illegal.
You and 5 friends can all go to Walmart right now and pay 100 bucks each and get a brand new lap top for 500 bucks and you can all share it with each other, and if you all get sick of it and think the lap top is useless, you can give it to someone else, whoever you want and the laptop will obviously keep working the whole time.
I hate being mean but the sh*t these people are saying here is straight up retarded.
You and your brother could pay 50/50 right now for a new movie and that movie will work just fine whether you guys watch it together, or if you hold onto it for a month, and your brother has it the next month, the movie doesn't care and it's not illegal.
Piracy is illegal, every single thing you are saying is not even fu*ing close to being illegal, and being butt hurt isn't going to magically make any of those things become illegal.
Like I said before, if you can't handle the business you probably shouldn't be in it. In REAL FU*KING LIFE people do throw down on stuff together why wouldn't they.
Like you said, a husband and wife, why the fu*k would they buy two copies? They aren't going to go to red box and get two copies of the same movie that's retarded.
If I had a brother I lived with, why would I buy two copies of every sub? Even if I had a brother I didn't live with why would I get two copies?
I don't have any reason to share subs or nobody to share subs with, but I still 100% agree with you and I can't see how anybody could ever possibly disagree.
It's like, oh it's legal but in the special case of Shannon's subs it's magically illegal lol, fuc* no.
If I buy a book, I can lend it to whoever I want whenever I want to, and that's not piracy, and that works with anything I could possibly buy.
You can't compare this to Adobe, or Windows because this is audio files these are not programs, so you can only really compare them to other audio files, and other audio files anyone can listen.
I could go buy a cd right now, and I could borrow it to every single person I know, one at a time for as long as I want and the CD will work perfectly the whole time, and guess what everyone? It's NOT fuc*ing illegal HAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH Fu*K!
Understand?