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(01-28-2015, 01:08 AM)Shannon Wrote:Quote:I'm running AYPSL
I understand that the subconscious is being bombard with all these affirmations that I'm manifesting xxx into my life nonstop
But for your conscious mind, you will never really believe it since it doesn't exist in your reality... So you might be prone to negative/opposing thoughts
So my question is, is this normal? Or with the subs am I supposed to reach a stage where my conscious mind and sub conscious are both singing the same tune even before manifestation occurs
Not sure how the conscious and subconscious are supposed to be in harmony with the same tune during the timegap before a manifestation occurs... It's abit difference from ASC confidence where it's inner based n not dependent on a physical manifestation so it's possible that both minds are in harmony
The conscious mind does not have to be involved for the subconscious mind to do, or accomplish something. In fact, it is often the case that the conscious mind works against the subconscious mind, and when it does it will frequently lose the disagreement because the subconscious mind can do a lot of things it cannot. Conscious skepticism can destroy a manifestation effort through subliminals. That's why it's best to use the program and just forget about it. Let go of hopes and fears and expectations. Get on with life. Think about and do something else. The conscious mind doesn't need to be involved.
There is coming a new method of making subs that does harmonize the conscious and subconscious minds, though. It's part of the 6th Generation build methods. For now, just use the program and remain consciously neutral. Live your life.
Quote:I was thinking of a similar question like yours and came to make a thread but you just made one so I'll ask the related question.
Okay so, subliminals are affirmations. Yes we get that. So why is it affirmations being repeated for 8 hours a day less effective then affirmations that are disguised with ocean waves more effective. I get the idea of resistance but if we were consciously bombarded with audible affirmations for more then 8 hours a day I also think it can bypass old programming. I just don't understand how the subliminals are more effective when the subconscious is just a machine that says yes or no to things and doesn't really take formulated sentences into account. Atleast to my knowledge.
Using affirmations is less effective than subliminals - for any amount of time - because affirmations must contend with the conscious mind, which is the gatekeeper to the subconscious. If you imagine your mind as a data center, the conscious mind is the rent-a-cop at the entrance, and the subconscious mind is the datacenter and the operating system it runs on. You use affirmations and if the guard says, "I don't like that," it takes forever to get a result. But if that guard does like it, he'll make it look like you're getting results. In neither case have you done anything much with the data center. What you have achieved is a form of placebo effect, which is why most results you get from affirmations are temporary unless you use subconscious accessing techniques with them.
But you use a subliminal, and it's like wearing an invisibility cloak and making it past the guard, and getting into the data center itself. You load your data into one of the servers and then propagate it to all of the datacenter, and it eventually becomes part of the very operating system that is being run to make the whole data center work.
That, and because you're receiving the affirmations in a subliminal not just purely subconsciously, but vastly more frequently and vastly more consistently. If you did nothing but repeat one single short affirmation to yourself verbally as fast as you could for 8 hours, I can make that look like a joke for repetitions in just a half an hour with a subliminal.
Quote:I personally believe that affirmations repeated for 8 hours a day are far more effective than 8 hours of subs. Same with visualizations. However, who can keep up that habit for long? Subs are less effective but they are a passive way of programming the subconscious which is where the benefit lies imo.
You'd be wrong, for the reasons I mentioned above. Properly used affirmations must be used concordant with subconscious access techniques such as hypnosis or meditation or BWE to make them truly effective, and at that point, why not use a subliminal?
Visualizations, however, are another matter. Properly done visualizations are much more powerful, and you can achieve amazing things in just days if you use that correctly. But doing so again requires an altered state and the right focus and intensity of desire and emotions. I have a hard time believing that anyone in his day and age has even 15 minutes of clean time to do a proper visualization, with the constant noise and distractions. And once you start getting into powered visualizations, it's still easier by far to use subliminals. Subliminals can be just as effective as powered visualizations, but they may take longer.
Quote:I think it's rather that you hear your own voice, so you trust it more. Not sure if I explained it right, but I read it somewhere when making your own subliminals so I'm guessing it can apply to affirmations as well. Regarding to LOA, if you are going to visualize or affirm something, you have to be in a non-resistant place emotionally, I guess that's when subconscious accepts it the most. But affirmations that you don't believe to be true can cause instant resistance except if you are in a theta brainwave state, really relaxed and rather positive (which can be quite challenging to accomplish sometimes).
Hearing it in your own voice and trusting that more does play a role in the effectiveness of subliminals and affirmations. But that role is a lot less than you might think. I explored that avenue extensively at one time. The rest of what you say here is just what I was saying above.
Quote:Why I think in overall a program would work better is because you can only repeat as many affirmations and when you stop there are so many more beliefs that might not have completely disappeared that can later set you back to when you started. To bypass the subconscious mind when affirming consciously constantly you would have to be in specific state every time to affirm, while as with a subliminal program it doesn't even involve the conscious mind so the effects start to show from SUBCONSCIOUS first and then you will see them on a conscious level. For example things regarding the subliminal start going your way and then you will realize that hey, I am those things the subliminal is telling me.
Correct.
Quote:Affirmations are the other way around, you have to believe them consciously first for them to have any strong effect on the subconscious. But I think this one can be more unmotivating to some people because even if they think they believe it, they will fall short until the subconscious accept that truth.
I might add that people leave out a lot of what makes affirmations work. You not only have to bypass the conscious critical faculty, but you have to have the right emoional state and desire state. Achieving and maintaining those states is very difficult, especially in concert, for the vast majority of people. Subliminals are almost infinitely superior for that reason.
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(02-26-2015, 02:19 PM)Shannon Wrote:(02-24-2015, 09:46 AM)Superman Wrote: Is it possible that our brains could get too accustomed to the amount of stimulation coming from subliminals that normal levels of stimulation are not enough to hold our attention?
For example the older generation can read physical books with full attention just fine and find them highly entertaining. While the younger generation who are always on the computer/phone/multiple devices doing multiple things at once are finding that they have difficulty focusing on one thing at a time. Many find reading books not stimulating enough due to being accustomed to having so much stimulation from other devices all the time.
We are encouraged in most cases to use subliminals as much as possible to maximize the effects. Could this have negative effects in the long run? Even though our brains are very plastic even discontinuing the stimulus will never return it completely to the way it was before.
The primary reason the older generation has no problem reading books, and the younger generation does, is that the older generation was not raised on multimedia devices that constantly trained their brains to stay in Theta (sleep/dream/defocus mode). The older generation stays in standard waking Beta (awake/focus mode) because they don't overdose on multimedia constantly.
The conscious and subconscious minds are very different things, and the subconscious mind takes a long time to "get bored" when it gets bored. Even when the conscious mind might have an attention span of minutes or less, and the personality type is scattered, flighty, flaky and all over the place, the subconscious can typically maintain focus for at least 90 days depending on the programming being input and the program their subconscious mind is already running.
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Shannon Wrote:Quote:Now I'll be the first to agree that these things are handed out like candy and doctors make money by doing so. So some people really don't need them, but I also believe some people do.
Having spent almost 10 years of my life taking them, I am solidly of the belief and opinion that nobody needs them; they do provide benefit, but only because they mask the symptom. They do nothing to identify the problem, or fix it. Which Big Pharma loves, because that means more money, forever.
Quote:I just wish there was more research that went into these meds and the people that need them, or their brain structure. I still feel like modern science hasn't really proved that well that it is physical and what exactly the meds do.
I wish there was more concern for understanding the meds too, and by doctors for identifying and fixing the problem instead of just throwing pills around. Without even knowing what will work! If I did what they are doing, I'd be in prison in a heartbeat. But because they have spent all these years in school, they are allowed to play with your head without knowing what's what yet. Sure, they have a better idea... but they are guessing most of the time, and it shows in what they do, and how often they are right.
When I was on meds, it was, "Hey, this sounds good. Not working? Let's try upping the dose. Still not working? Up the dose. Still not working? Lets try this other drug. Still not working? Up the dose. Still not working? Let's try this other drug." And it's still like that.
They're playing at being more knowledgeable than they are, and they think it's okay because they have that degree and all of the years of schooling and experience. But that doesn't change the fact that they still don't know what they are doing with this stuff yet, or why it does or does not work! And it doesn't find or fix the real cause. It just masks the symptoms. We are just cash cows to Big Pharma, and guess who has their hands in the cookie jar all the way through med school? You guessed it. Big Pharma. Influencing what the doctors learn, so they can be trained to throw pills instead of fix the problem.
Quote:That being said right now I'm running the remove negativity within subliminal. It's only really been three days, so I don't expect anything too substantial yet. But I feel like things are being pulled up and the feelings kind of hit me at random times during the day. Anyway I was going to run this for maybe 2 or 3 months and see what happens.
That sounds like a good idea.
Quote:I know you've said subliminals aren't a cure all, and at this point in my life I think I'm going to need some professional help. I think I've just denied things for too long and swept them under the rug, and now it's coming back to haunt me. I like remaining positive, but there's a difference between being positive and being ignorant. I was never too fond of anti-depressants because they don't have the most substantial research behind them. But this got me thinking. If there is an actual chemical imbalance in my brain, theoretically could subliminals help me balance that?
Professional help is a good thing, as long as you can find a good professional. Unfortunately, it's a bit of a crap shoot these days, and there are fully degreed psychiatrists and psychologists at doctorate level out there who vehemently deny that each other's system of psychology is valid or works. A friend of mine has a sister who is a psych Ph.D. and she inists I am scamming all of you because she rejects the idea that there is such a thing as the subconscious mind, and therefore, subliminals, hypnosis, etc. cannot possibly work.
What the *... I was stunned when she said that to me. No, maybe I don't have advanced degrees in psychology, but you know what I do have? I have intelligence, common sense, and years of both feedback from customers, experiments and self usage to draw on. Empirical evidence. On top of which, we have the lowest refund rate of any business I have ever heard of! But my stuff doesn't work, because she decided Freud was wrong. Wow.
And there are a lot of them thinking like that. The truth is, the mind/brain arena is still a wild west, and those who are doing the research may or may not be listened to because they disagree with people who have "more credentials". I don't know about you, but I'll go for letting the facts speak for themselves, thanks.
But I digress. The point is, you have to be careful to find a good choice in professional help.
Quote:To me it's really a case of what came first chicken or the egg. Did negative beliefs and thinking cause the imbalance? Or did the imbalance lead to negative thinking and negative beliefs? I think this is the most difficult part in assessing my own issues. I don't like the whole chemical imbalance thing that needs meds, but I also have to be willing to accept that it is a possibility.
There are many other possibilities as to what the inception was caused by, influenced by, and maintained by. In all my years of research, the one thing that consistently comes up over and over and over is this: no matter how simple you want things to be, they're not; and no matter how complex you think they are - it's really more complex than that. So keep your mind open to other possibilities, like diet; early life emotional traumas you may or may not remember; and possibly even things as exotic as past life stuff.
A good hypnotist should be able to help you very effectively to understand what the problem is, and resolve it. But don't let them just try to hypnotize you and fix it... they need to have your subconscious mind verify what the situation actually is, and then formulate an effective plan of action.
Quote:I just thought I'd pick your brain on this matter, seeing as how you have a lot of knowledge on the subconscious mind. It's hard getting a straight answer from the medical community because science is so rigid in its belief structure lately.
Lately? lol Have you looked at the history of science? They are absolutely famous for the following pattern:
1. Visionary discovers new breakthrough.
2. Visionary shares with scientific community.
3. Scientific community cannot verify breakthrough, or does not want to believe it.
4. Scientific community tars and feathers visionary, usually leaving him/her broken, and penniless.
5. 10 to 100 years later, scientific community accepts visionary's findings as "common sense".
6. Only historians ever notice that this whole thing happened...
Don't get me wrong, I like science and I enjoy it and I wish I had a lot more money to fund doing a lot more rigid science for myself. But the fact is, if I revealed to the world how I do some of what I do, they would have no way of understanding the path from Point A (what they currently understand) to Point B (what *I* currently understand) and they would be unable to believe it was possible, which would then result in tarring and feathering, etc. (See above list.) It's common these days for established interests to dictate what is acceptable, and that leads to a lot of "If I cannot understand how it woks, it cannot possibly work, because I know how everything works." (See sister with Ph.D., above.) Do I understand why or how all of this stuff I have discovered works yet? No. But does that change the fact that it works? No!
Some of the things I have discovered, and am successfully using, and have been for more than two years now, are just not within the realm of common understanding right now. When I have retired and sold this business in 10 or 20 years (or whatever happens), I'll write a tell-all book, and even then they won't be able to understand. But my book will be the basis for sparking minds who will eventually prove me right, in 10 to 100 years, and the cycle will start all over again.
The difference here is, I'm not stupid enough to let them have at it until after I make myself successful.
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Shannon Wrote:Quote:Can the body become addicted to the chemical imbalance? The mind feels something, the brain releases chemicals according to that feeling, the body acts that feeling. If it happens for long time and the body get used to it and if suddenly the feeling stops then the body will complain to the brain to send more chemical.
Are all feelings then, minor chemical imbalances?
The body cannot become directly addicted to itself, as far as I know. It can become dependent on a specific imbalance, depending on the specifics of the interruption and resulting imbalance.
Quote:Chronic happiness, does that exits?
In the vast majority of cases, all things exist in balance. There can be chronic depression, so why not chronic happiness? Would we notice chronic happiness, because it is a positive and not painful? Maybe it is all around us and we just don't see it because we are so focused on the negative!
Quote:Where goes the line between subconscious mind and subconscious body?
Based in my research, I believe that there is no definitive line demarcating the conscious and subconscious minds; they separate quickly, but do blend into each other to some degree.
The "subconscious body" is what, exactly? The body the subconscious mind perceives and controls? That would be the same body the conscious mind perceives and controls... they just control different things, and perceive different aspects. You cannot separate a thing from itself. A - A = 0
Quote:What would be the disadvantages/advantages to distrusting/trusting the own subconscious mind?
What sense does this make to ask? It is as asking, what sense does it make to distrust or trust the reflection in your mirror. While the conscious and subconscious can think and act independently, they are both you. "You" are not one or the other; your conscious perception limits create that as an illusion. Do you distrust your left hand, but trust your right?
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Shannon Wrote:ssh Wrote: I was wondering if language, voice accent and voice modulation play any role/affect the sub-conscious. Does our sub-conscious understand any language it is exposed to. And what about any voice accent or modulation. English is my second language, though I understand it, still sometimes accent affects the way I listen and understand it, especially the U.S. accent. I'm supposed to get the experimental program in English (the script - if I happen to choose the actual program with any script) but I'm not sure about the type of accent as I have never listened to actual script voices and there is no possibility of listening to it anyway out of the programs available. Could you shed some light on this. Thanks.
My best understanding at current is a two part answer.
The "near subconscious" or "shallow subconscious" only understands the languages you consciously understand, and only slightly better. Unless the accent is so alien that you could not comprehend it listening to it, the subliminal will work. The scripts are recorded using a standard American English accent, the type you would hear if you listen to the major American news channels on TV. Subconsciously, you'll understand it just fine.
The second part is that there is the possibility - which I have not yet experimented with yet - that the deep subconscious remembers all the languages you ever spoke while incarnate in any lifetime. This of course requires that we reincarnate for it to be possible, but this may potentially affect your comprehension. I'll be experimenting with that later on.
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Shannon Wrote:rubman Wrote: Hey Shannon, greetings from a new user and congrats for all the work.
I have a question I would like you to answer me, being the expert in subs you are.
What is your opinion on video subliminals? I ask because i've seen in commercial video subs they say your subconscious mind can get 10000 words in 5-10 minute videos. You know, those videos where you see a lot of phrases scrolling really fast in the screen showing images at the same time. Are they more powerful than audio subliminals?
Thanks.
First, you are welcome.
Second, you have to dissasociate the idea that more = better with subliminals. That is not always true. Sometimes, more = worse. As for how effective they are, I do not know. I never studied them. I do know that 10,000 words in 5 minutes is definitely do-able for the subconscious mind. Easily. So maybe they do work. Video subliminals give an additional vector to stimulating the subconscious mind (visually). They therefore can induce a higher input of data, and while I know the limits of input through the ears, I don't know what the limit of processing input is through eyes and ears simultaneously. I may be making some video subs again in the future.
The power of a subliminal, visual or audial does not come solely from repetitions per time unit. It comes from having the correct timing, scripting, input methods, and several other factors. I know that I am the only person producing subs with some of these factors in place, because nobody else is even looking in the right directions for these things.
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