(10-31-2014, 09:36 PM)Shannon Wrote: Depression is often a result of the subconscious wanting to resist the program, but realizing that it cannot... feeling unable to avoid that change that scares it... and responding with depression (feelings of hopelessness to avoid a fear). Until the change is made, at which time it disappears and is replaced by new positive programming. It is also possible that you are confronting and dealing with feelings of hopelessness in other directions based on other things, usually strongly ingrained faulty thinking and beliefs.

Shannon Wrote:

K-Train Wrote: Shannon, I just had the wildest idea. Suppose someone requested a program that's main goal was eliminating resistance. The program would be intended to make the user's subconsious mind less resistant but only towards your program. An example line would be "I now effortlessly assimilate all information from subliminals created by Shannon Matteson". And here's the kicker: the sub would be recorded in the person's own voice. Eh? Eh? Would such a program be possible? (Obviously it would have to be a full custom).

A subliminal designed to eliminate resistance would be of little use, unfortunately. Here's why.

1. Every program already incorporates everything I can do to eliminate and overcome resistance already... as that knowledge existed at the time it was created.

2. Resistance is nothing more than a refusal to cooperate. If they refuse to cooperate with me telling them they want to do X, and then they refuse to cooperate with me telling them they allow themselves to be influenced... what's going to change anything about that from the point of using your idea? The only thing you suggest that would make a difference is to record in their own voice, which is a full custom, which I don't have time for building anyway.

Possible? Yes.

Useful for those who genuinely need it the most? Unfortunately, unlikely. I appreciate you trying to help, though. :-)

Shannon Wrote:There are a few things I'd like to point out, specify, clarify for those of you who may be confused by this.

Subliminal resistance. Is it the subliminal?

Before I answer that, let me say very clearly:

No subliminal of mine will ever "make you" resist. That is to say, every possible effort has been made to prevent resistance and get you to accept and act on the script of the program. It is designed to do it's job, not cause resistance.

Resistance is a response to the subliminal and what it is guiding you to do. It is a choice, whether conscious, subconscious or both, and it is your choice. The subliminal did not "make you" resist it.

In fact I spent three years researching and developing the anti-resistance methods and techniques that go into 4G technology and another year developing 5G specifically to overcome resistance.

The goal is not to force you to do XYZ, but to get you, at all levels, to agree to do them, and then act on them.

This is why, as I recently had forcibly pointed out to me, I cannot create a subliminal that will work for 100% of the population. There will always be people who can, and will, resist. Why?

Some people see it as "being told what to do". Some people see it as losing control of themselves. Some people resist because what they are being guided to do conflicts with current programming in a way that is not dealt with in the subliminal script itself.

Quite simply, it is impossible for anyone to create a single script that will work for everyone, because everyone has unique reasons for their actions and unique "programming". (And before you think this is an excuse to go create your own, ask yourself, "Do I know enough about psychology to figure out what my real challenges are, and do I know how to safely script and build a subliminal?")

Let's take a look at some cases I have been following for a while now as examples. Starting with our own Benjamin. I had done six years of R&D on weight loss before I heard from him, and his insights into what made HIM have trouble with weight gain/loss were things I had never heard before. What I didn't realize at the time was simply that it doesn't matter how many people I interview for this topic, there are so many reasons why people are overweight, or have trouble losing weight, that I can never create a script that works for everyone, all the time. Part of it is that I can't know all the reasons for potential resistance, because the reasons in an emotional core person will not be rational, and therefore do not make logical sense. That means there's no way to figure out what all of them will be without interviewing each case, and discovering their individual programming and triggers. Weight loss, as it tuns out, is an extremely personal and unique thing for the majority of the people I have been aiming my weight loss products at: the really stubborn cases, and the obese. They need specific, specialized, individual attention to achieve their goals.

That's why they fail when they try to use universalized solutions. There is still a part of them that is resisting, either because it isn't mature enough to understand that blindly resisting just to refuse to be "told what to do" is not helping them, or because they're afraid of "losing control of themselves", or some combination of the two, or because of some other fear that is dredged up by the program (one example could be "If I am not overweight, I'll get raped again.")

I can't make a subliminal that forces you to lose weight. In the end, the choice is always yours how to respond to help, including the subliminal. Whether you resist it consciously or subconsciously, resistance is a choice somewhere in there, and that choice comes from free will, because I cannot create a subliminal that forces you to change -- and honestly, even if I could, I doubt I would, simply on moral grounds.

Now looking at Patti's case, is this true of her case too? Her reasons for being a smoker were never voiced by anyone else who I interviewed over the years. But ultimately, once again, the resistance was a choice on her part. The subliminal was guiding her to quit smoking, and her response (subconsciously, from my understanding) was to resist. She saw cigarettes as her friend, and as a way of having control of her life where she saw no such control as existing elsewhere.

In effect, she resisted because she saw the subliminal's guidance as telling her to get rid of her friend, and give up the only control she believed she had in life. Not exactly very logical or rational responses to cigarettes, but given her point of view as it was, who wants to get rid of a friend and give up control? Regardless, her reaction was her choice. The subliminal didn't make her resist. And, now that she has come to understand that these were her reasons for resisting, and has come to realize that cigarettes are not a friend, because friends don't kill you or deprive your children of time they could spend with you otherwise, or cause you emphysema or cancer, or or or, and that there are other ways for her to have control in her life, I think you'll find that she quits next time around.

And if she doesn't? There's nothing I can do about it: it was her choice to keep smoking. Subconscious, maybe, but her choice regardless.

My subliminals are very probably the best in the world, and the most effective in the world as well. But until I can read minds or force all to do my bidding, I can't create a subliminal that can get everyone to follow along with what it's suggesting, and guiding them to do. And like I said, I really don't think I want to live in a world where I - or anyone else - could force someone else to think and do their bidding like that.

My subliminals are designed from the ground up to be safe, useful and effective. They cannot cause negative effects. Negative responses to my subliminals come from resistance to them - and they are not caused by the subliminal. They are caused by the subconscious of the person listening to them, as it tries everything it can think of to get them to stop using the program. There is, quite simply, nothing in my programs that can cause negativity. Period.

In order to be fair to all, we have a generous refund policy. But the policy can't be too generous, or some people will take advantage of us. So all we ask is that, in order to be eligible for a refund, you use the program according to the directions, and you use it completely. Once you have done those things, if you are not satisfied, you are welcome to a refund. But if you don't use it according to the directions, or you stop in the middle, you cannot say it didn't work for you, because you did not follow the directions!

If you have such severe resistance that you choose to stop in the middle, you have to make that choice for you. But, when you do that and then ask for a refund, you're basically saying, "I refused to allow this program to do what I bought it for, so I want my money back." Which is the same logic as if you said, "I bought this tree and chopped it down the next day, and it died, so I want my money back."

If you have resistance to one of my programs, that's unfortunate, but it isn't the fault of the program, or me. It is not grounds for a refund, unless you have finished the whole program and did not get the results you wanted as a result. Even then, it's not reasonable for you to be getting a refund, but we'll give you one anyway, because you used it according to the directions and did not get the desired results.

But if you resist it so hard that you choose to stop in the middle, for whatever reason, that is not grounds for a refund. That means you need to find yourself someone to help you understand why you are resisting so hard, and help you overcome the core cause of that resistance.

In GK's case, he says he "felt like suicide" as a result of using my SM 2.0 program. I have no doubt that he is telling the truth when he says that, but is it the fault of Sex Magnet? No. Sex Magnet is designed to overcome resistance and cause him to change his behaviors in ways that will result in him having more sex with desirable women. That has nothing to do with suicide, and suicide is not a reasonable response to being guided to do things like approach women and hit on them, or give them sexual eye contact, or manifest the women into his life who want tot have sex with him.

In GK's case, what we are almost certainly dealing with is very early, very deep fear-based programming that tells him something terrible is going to happen if he complies with these suggestions. I would put money on it being some variant of being told he was going to be punished horribly if he did things like that, and there's very few sources for such threats to come from. But the way his resistance has manifested itself tells me that is the most likely scenario. If he really does subconsciously feel like suicide is preferable to doing what SM 2.0 is telling him to do, then it's a threat that was made to him at some early age which would cause him to fear whatever it is even more than death itself. I can think of exactly one thing that I have seen cause reactions like that, but Rule #4 prevents me from discussing that further.

Does this give him grounds for a refund? No. The responsibility for his response is not mine, and it is not that of the subliminal. Had he completed the program, he would be eligible for a refund even though it was not mine or my subliminal's fault that it didn't work. But he stopped, and it is probably a good idea that he stopped.

He did complete AM 2011, and claims similar problems, and a lack of good results. The policy is that he has 180 days to request a refund after using the 2011 program, and I believe he is still within that time frame, so as long as he requests it through the proper channels, we are glad to refund him for that. But I am puzzled as to why there would be the purchase of SM 2.0 after using AM 2011 when it did not give him pleasing results. We will be refunding GK for AM 2011, since policy does not allow for a refund of SM 2.0.

Regardless, I am not pointing fingers or blaming him or anyone else. I am trying to explain the situation and our refund policy.

In light of the fact that I cannot control all the variables concerning manifestation programs, I have decided to change our refund policy on them as well. Manifestation programs are no longer eligible for refunds if they were purchased after the 1st of April 2012, because too many of the variables they require to be in alignment are out of my control. I can make the subliminal part do it's job, but I cannot make you accept it, and I cannot know, change or deal with any of a thousand other variables that exist "out there" which will potentially prevent the results from manifesting within a reasonable time frame, or at all. So if you purchase a Type D program after April 1st, 2012, it is not eligible for refund.

We want you to be happy with the programs I produce. That's why we offer the generous refund policy that we do. But it is out of my hands to force you to let the program do it's job, and if you don't meet the refund policy requirements, you are not eligible for a refund. It's as simple as that. Keep that in mind before purchasing programs that you know will take six or more months to complete, especially if you have not been happy with other programs in the past.

(12-06-2014, 01:37 AM)terry44 Wrote: I've been using ASC for a couple of weeks now and I am liking the results, apart from the tiredness (I work long hours so can't increase my sleep to compensate).

I've noticed that I'm more relaxed with people and less concerned with their opinions of me. I'm holding more eye contact as well, but a strange thing happened yesterday around lunchtime. I suddenly found it really difficult to hold eye contact and became really self conscious. It felt like everyone was looking at me. It lasted for about an hour, then I was back to my new improved self. Can subs cause very sudden ups and downs like this? Is it the resistance I've been hearing about, or is it just part of the process and just means it's working properly? I'm definitely going to continue with it for 2 or 3 months as I like everything it's done apart from that one lapse and the tiredness.

(12-09-2014, 11:23 PM)Shannon Wrote: Resistance comes in different ways. Bursts of intense resistance can be one of those ways. It usually happens that way in response to achieving some goal of the program's that frightens some part of your subconscious and causes a short term push for control. Eventually, the fear generating programming will be overcome and it will stop.

(08-03-2014, 07:12 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-01-2014, 03:32 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-31-2014, 05:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: AM you were apparently fighting. This you are apparently not. Much easier when you take your foot off the breaks, no? :-)

Yeah, it definitely is. It's like I'm just hungrily SOAKING it all up. But I do have a question about AM, then. First: why the resistance? and second: won't the resistance to AM (and the lack of results because of it) affect SM's performance?

Why resistance? As far as I can tell it always boils down to fear of something, and if you're not ready to face it yet you might resist. Or you may just be one of those people who hates doing anything but what you want to do, and that would be based in a fear of loss of control of yourself.

Resisting AM doesn't mean it isn't having an impact, it just means you were resisting that impact. It's still there. As to how much benefit you lost by resisting, I cannot say. It's a case by case situation, and you'll have to evaluate when you get done.

(12-29-2010, 04:23 PM)ALI6NMENT Wrote: Hello, can someone explain to me in as much detail as they can about releasing Resistance with subliminal use.

What is resistance?
Why do we have resistance?
How do we release resistance? ...Do we release resistance in our dreams?

Sorry if it has been asked before, or if information is posted somewhere near.
I would just like a bit more concrete explanation to best of your abilities, specially Shannon because he is the creator of the subliminal programs, so I am sure he understands about resistance quite well.


Thank you

(12-30-2010, 03:43 AM)Shannon Wrote: Hi, Blueness. Yes, I have done quite a bit of research about resistance and how to overcome it. Unfortunately, it is not possible to overcome all types of resistance using subliminals alone; but, the good news is, not many people will have the types of resistance that I can't overcome well. They are fortunately unusual, if not rare.

Resistance is, in general, any situation in which the person experiencing exposure to a subliminal (in this case) tries to prevent the incoming stimulus from influencing them.

The why behind resistance depends on the person, personality, previous programming, and circumstances. The simplest resistance is simply lethargy - a mass at rest tends to remain at rest. Change takes energy.

Then you have homeostatic resistance (HR), where the functioning system will seek to prevent itself from changing because change represents a potential threat to certain levels of awareness, based on their limits of comprehension and cognition in certain directions.

A step beyond simple homeostatic resistance is programmed fear based resistance (PFR). This is a fear of change or influence from outside the "self" based on sense of loss of control or potential threat, which itself is based on one or more fear based beliefs or previous fear generating/harmful experiences.

Beyond that is stressed emotional programmed fear based resistance (SEPFR), which results in neurotic and/or extremely anxious responses to change, which gives it hair trigger sensitivity. It can become very difficult to overcome, and is self defeating in the sense that the more information it has to work with, the harder it is to overcome, because that information is often used to fortify the resistance in new ways.

Then you have your conscious/subconscious fear based resistance (CSFBR) which takes it a step further by being both a conscious and subconscious resistance to changing. Consciously seeking to avoid circumstances which may lead to exposure, etc. CSFBR usually isn't outwardly or obviously anxiety based.

Finally, there is the core personality resistance type (CPRT), which is the hardest to overcome. This type of resistance is based in the body itself, usually being a function of the hard wiring of the brain and/or the physical physiological expression. It results in some extremely resistant personality types, some so resistant that they will self destruct before they allow themselves to change.

Releasing resistance is a function of the type of resistance. Each type has its own release. Only two would typically need to be dealt with on a conscious level by the person. Suffice it to say that for those types of resistance that can be overcome with the subliminals themselves, it's in there. The other two require either conscious effort to change the core response through choice and efforts to increase maturity (CPRT) or some sort of counseling or therapy (SEPFR). CSFBR, interestingly enough, is rather susceptible to being overcome by the subliminal itself in many cases, which they know, and that is why they have the conscious aspect of the resistance.

You can release resistance in your dreams, as a matter of fact, yes, but it requires the right stimulus or intent and focus.

I hope this makes sense - it's almost 7 am and I have been up all night working.

(01-27-2011, 12:17 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-27-2011, 08:42 AM)[email protected] Wrote: what do you suggest we do if someone wants to work on their resistance conciously?

Well, generally, the best thing to do is:

1. Identify any resistance present.
2. Determine the type and cause(s).
3. Consciously and definitively decide to overcome the resistance.
4. Work on overcoming the properties that make you resistant. (Turn blind stubbornness into conscious strength of will, for instance; locate sources of fear, cut them off and destroy them by facing them; etc.)
5. For the more difficult types, meditation on improving helps.

Subliminals can only do so much for overcoming certain types of resistance. Some types can be entirely overcome with subliminals; other types take months and years of conscious effort at self improvement.

Shannon Wrote:

ohmygee Wrote: just an idea that came to help fight possible resistance from people? Please ignore it if its irrelevant or silly.

A simple affirmation "I believe in subliminals and I know they work for me" Just thought I'd brain dump this here.

Thank you, but I beat you to it. There's not only something like that in my current regimen, but it actually goes a lot further, too. Smile

The problem isn't that there's insufficient dealing with resistance, it's that certain types of people have a resistance to ANYTHING at ANY LEVEL that even REMOTELY makes them think they're being "told what to do". I'd estimate about 1 in 20 people are like that. Not necessarily on all subjects, but still. They can, unfortunately, resist almost anything I can do.

Shannon Wrote:

Quote:Ok I read your long post about resistance when you posted it but didn't reply right away, as I had to think a while.

I get that your stressed right now, this reply isn't meant to sound like an attack or anything, i'm just writing off the top of my head what I am feeling about it.

The first thing with the weight loss sub is that it's not like it's just me that isn't losing much weight from it, from the look it's the same in the other journals, and a few of them haven't reported at all, I believe if they had lost lots of weight they would be running here to say it was working for them.

To the best of my knowledge, everyone who used it has stalled out or started gaining weight again around the three month mark. That's why I got so stressed out and was coming up on burnout, because naturally that means I missed something, and it needs to be rebuilt. I am at something of a loss as to how to do it, even though I know what needs to be done, because there are so many ways forward.

That we got this far and had it stop working is frustrating, but it reveals more about the challenge, which gives me more ammunition for the solution. I am just feeling frustrated by my constant failure to get to my goal on this topic, and feeling lost as to how to proceed. Especially if it turns out the best way forward is to build a lot of different versions. 5G is no joke.

I am sure that there will be people who can't use the program successfully because they either refuse to be "told what to do" or they need more personal consideration than can be had in a standard subliminal.

Quote:But yes I agree weight loss can be a complicated thing with the mind. One interesting thing about the being told not to do thing, is that this was strengthened alot for me during Alpha, so it successfully made me hate being told what to do in alot of situations and now that same programming is apparently working against me here?

I was thinking about that the other day. It's possible. But the programs are designed to trigger as little resistance as possible, and to get around what resistance does pop up as much as possible.

Quote:When I write about my resistance, being frustrated it isn't working etc.. it's not an attack on you at all Shannon, it is simply me writing what I am feeling at that time, it's similar with EFT which I do myself, I get alot of stuff coming up and don't blame the creator of EFT, I know it is more stuff coming up that I can work on.

I never thought it was an attack on me, or took it as one.

Shannon Wrote:

Benjamin Wrote: Ah just found this in Sarah's journal.

Quote:I bet that what happened was I was getting close to a breakthrough so that stubborn subconscious of mine started resisting harder and harder... until POW, down that wall smashed. What do you think, Shannon? Would you agree that that is likely what happened?

That is what was happening with me, my breakthrough is coming!

-Ben

You bet it is. I have realized that one of the most insidious forms of resistance the subconscious can offer up is simply stonewalling, because if you think nothing's happening for long enough, you see no point in continuing. Even I fell for it, and thought my program wasn't working! I think now that part of why that happened was so that I would have the impetus to go back and redesign and rebuild the 5G version. 5G would not have come to be without that having happened.

Never give up. Never surrender. It just takes time and patience to dissolve the walls.

Shannon Wrote:

Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:I went to visit my tester for the weight loss 5G sub tonight. She admitted that since Saturday's test, she hasn't been using it.

I asked why, and she told me...

"Honestly? I'm afraid of success."

Upon inquiring, it turns out she is afraid of being at her ideal weight for reasons of personal safety. Which of course is covered in the script, and I told her so. After hearing that, she started charging batteries for her mp3 player.

Interesting thing, though. She is seeing definite results ever since she was exposed for about 4 hours on Saturday. She forgot to take a medication she takes for adjusting her brain chemistry because the reason she takes it - anger issues - was not there. (The sub deals with stress relief.) She realized she hadn't taken it when she responded to two separate incidents without getting upset, which she told me would have had her through the roof otherwise. She also was noticing another effect, but I don't remember what it was. I suspect she may not have actually told me what it was, as we get sidetracked a lot when we talk.

She was afraid of using it because after 4 hours of exposure, she said, "I know it will work. I just know it. I don't know how. But I do."

Thumbs up!

Interesting that is some big resistance. With all the resistance i've had and still have i've never not turned it on, i've had nights i've thought I just shouldn't bother anymore, but I keep playing it. I think in the last 2 years or so i've been using subliminals i've only missed about 2 or 3 nights and that was because I was in a hotel where I had nothing to play them on.

Interesting with the anger issues, because I know myself that is a part of the weight issues, and eating when you are angry is one of the parts of it.

-Ben

I wouldn't say big resistance. I would say big fear. She should actually not be very resistant at all when she uses the program, and I think her recognizing that fact internally is what made her hide from it. She knows it will work, but fears being at her ideal weight because of how she was treated in the past when she was there.

Anger is a major stressor. In emotional core types, it is often unpleasant to express, and there may be feelings of "being bad" for being angry or for expressing it. There may be guilt or shame associated with being mad or expressing it. So it is often internalized, which tends to cause depression and hopelessness, from what I have seen. That in turn triggers the famous emotional core vicious cycle of eat for comfort > gain weight > get negative responses from others for being big > eat for comfort.

These programs take all of this into account, and if you allow them to influence and guide you, they will clear away all of this.

Shannon Wrote: @ Shail

Quote:Hi Shannon,

1) Last Hope - I had been going through a long phase of failures in my life so far, starting form the age of understanding. Since then there were very less instances where i acted confidently, the repetitive sequence of failures led me to loss of my self - confidence and when someone falls in this kind of state/situation he starts looking for a hope, desperately. when he finds one, all his hopes rest on it which indirectly creates FEAR, (that this should work) which becomes the most difficult, covert enemy of his own self.

That is true.

Quote:2) Expectations/Result - Shannon, Please let me make it very clear that I'm NOT (WILL NEVER) questioning the genuineness of your programs or any fear of control out of that, neither I'm denying the power of subs or the results so many people have got, in fact these encouraging results led me to try subs. But that again just added to FEAR that I should also get the result. Now, this is entirely my minds fault and i take full responsibility for it, I'm not trying to be arrogant, I might have expressed wrongly or that shouldn't be the way of expression, i was just making a point that - For some reason, I did not get a result .

It's not a matter of I think I am a genius or that my programs are ingenious or somehow infallible. It's just a matter of balancing the point of view. That you didn't get results is not in question, although you may have gotten results you did/do not realized were results. There is a lot of arrogance in the thinking of the people who are very logical and skeptical, and it is based in fear. They refuse to accept or see anything they don't yet understand, especially how to get from where they are to where the subject is. They believe that if they cannot understand how it works, it cannot work. The way you phrased your post sounded to me as if that was the case.

Quote:3) Fear Of Failure - Anything which should be taken positively is indirectly being taken negatively by my mind. People are getting results which should be taken positively but then I'm taking it negatively that I should also succeed. I found you, believed in you and your programs with full devotion but then again this positive note changed into FEAR again ....what if it didn't work on me? while in fact it might have worked my mind is not able to accept it. It's difficult to understand why i have become an enemy of my own self ? Shannon, I'm not fearing any control or anything of that sort, in fact if anyone is ready to take full control of me for a good change to bring in me I'm even ready for that (That was the reason i met 3 different certified professional hypnotherapist while i had a job and even requested them to take control. But now i can't afford to see one as I'm jobless since a long time and short of money). it's just that it had been a long time that i haven't tasted success or acted confidently that I'm desperate to succeed which is again creating FEAR. It's difficult for me to view things from a neutral stand point.

That is definitely a fear based response. Perhaps you should consider finding the root of that fear through meditation. You can also hypnotize yourself, you know. One thing I find common is that people assume their conscious response is also their subconscious response, which usually is not the case, and this disparity and lack of understanding that there even is a disparity, causes them problems. I can't know your history, but I can say it seems likely that subconsciously you have a fear of control, and by the sounds of it, possibly even a full feedback loop of fear concerning control in both directions. Fear is irrational, an emotional response, which is good in that your emotions are involved, but you have to understand the fear before you can release it. Self analysis and introspection, and self hypnosis, are valuable tools for that, as are meditation and creative visualization. You also have to know when it is time to stop waiting for someone or something else to do it for you, and do for yourself sometimes.

Quote:4) Critical Conscious/placebo - Before i turned to subs I had tried 3 certified professional hypnotherapists but again my conscious or logical side continuously interrupted.

That would be a resistance response, which is probably rooted in the subconscious. It is probably perceived by your subconscious as a self defense tactic, suggesting that at some point in the past, you had an experience that led you to react that way to such "perceived threats", and also pointing to control issues and subconscious fear of control, and losing it.

Quote:So i started looking for some method which would by-pass this critical thinking. In my effort to by-pass this critical/logical side i created my own subs before i found you. And the method of creation was such that i created some 4-5 subs relating to my 4-5 small problems and i randomly choose one, without knowing what that program/sub is for and what would be the outcome/results fearing the detection or interference from my conscious/critical mind (even i renamed all the subs randomly, ambiguously). But, may be, that was my first program and that too created by me or I didn't use it properly for long time, for some reason it didn't give me any result. But that was not the end i still believed in subs.

Creating your own subs makes a big difference. It means an endless number of possible variables I cannot account for as to how you affected yourself. You cannot know whether or not you made mistakes in the scripting and/or build process, or what types of mistakes you made, or what effects that would have. You also cannot know if it was created properly, and if you didn't use it properly, then you're not going to get the results. Also, you cannot do a random sampling by yourself: the subconscious knows which one is which.

But it's not a matter of belief. Subliminals can and do work just fine on people who don't even know they're being exposed, never mind what the program is designed to do. It's a question of proper creation, proper usage and non-resistance.

Quote:I just mentioned this to let you know how i deceived my own conscious and what is the degree of fear i have for it to deceive it in this way. Shannon, I have to unfortunately mention that more or less I'm in the situation of your grandfather, may be. Because when i used ASC.my conscious knew it was for confidence so this alert guard was all time searching for any slightest clue of confidence just to deny it as a placebo effect. But I'm willing to come out of this situation and the only way would be to use that decisive technique which i used for creating subs myself.

This only tells me that I am right, it's not your conscious mind that is resisting, it is a subconscious response. And by the way, knowing what I know, I would never use a sub not created by an expert scripter and subliminals builder. Of which I only know of possibly three in the world, including myself. My advice is, don't use self made subliminals.

Quote:In conclusion in my case it would be-
1) Last Hope + 2)Expectations/Result + 3)Fear Of Failure + 4)Critical Conscious/placebo (or knowing what the program is for) = FAILURE (FOR ME ONLY)

I think you would be well served by taking a step back from yourself and looking at your situation with fresh eyes. Look outside the box. Try to see your situation from someone else's point of view. Realize that perhaps your assumptions about certain things (last chance, etc.) are not correct. You may (probably) have placed artificial limits on yourself that only exist because you insist that they do, based on "this is all I can see". Try looking past that.

Quote:Subs offered by you were my last hope which i expected to work which created Fear Of Failure and knowing which program is working on me my critical/logical started denying results. It's all my fault, I'm caught in a web woven by my own self, which I didn't notice.

If you wove it, you can un-weave it. But first you need to understand it.

Quote:I want to overcome whatever is holding me back but i don't know what it is and how to overcome it. I'm willing to cooperate for the program to affect me but i don't know how to do it. For your kind information i don't smoke and neither I'm fat to experiment with any latest product. And I think the best way for any sample to be tested to work on me would be to covertly use it without my conscious knowing what it is for and the resultant benefits (my way of using decisive technique). What do you think? How do we go from here? Or can we try working on my 4-5 small issues which will not take much time to give results looking at the type of problems. I will give the list, you choose any one of them, program it (and if anyone of these already match the program you have you won't even have to program it) and give me without me knowing what it is for?

I wasn't implying that you smoke or are overweight. I'm just saying that is all I have built as 5G right now.

If you're suggesting a double blind experiment, then the experiment has to be done with you not knowing anything about what you may or may not be receiving. I would have to create say five programs that could all, some or none consist of subliminals designed to do something, or possibly be dummy subliminals designed to do nothing, or possibly be pure placebo. Then you would pick one, and use it for 30 to 90 days (the longer the better), journal your results, and then report them back.

Shannon Wrote:

Quote:Hey Shannon just a quick question. I've been using remove negativity within for a couple of days now and I've just noticed something strange. Every time I start to play it I feel very anxious and I get a kind of tightness in my chest that I'm very familiar with. As I listen to it more that anxiety seems to lower a bit. But the next day when I play it again it's at the same level and I go through the same process.

I suggest increasing exposure time to as much as possible, if that's the case.

Quote:I don't know how normal that is or common, but I'm assuming this is a result of my fear of change? This happens with all subs, and I think it's also rooted in my need for control and trust issues. I'm very resistant to change. I don't know but I also fear success maybe. It's like I want to change, but at the same time moving past these negatives and achieving success brings more fear into me.

Fear of change creates resistance to change. Change is the only thing that is universally inevitable. A knot of fears that are inter-supportive is not uncommon in two specific personality types. You have the second personality type. My grandmother was the same way, and I used to be also.

Quote:I mean is fear of success even a real thing? I guess I was never too fond of standing out or being in the limelight. I also have a tendency to sell myself short.

There is no limit to how irrational fear is... so there is no limit to what can be feared. I have encountered people who feared success and failure, at the same time, and feared the loss of their own fears to boot.

You'd be better served by a skilled NLP or hypnotherapy practitioner than by subs for fast results, because they can interact with you in ways that allow them to understand the problem specifically and then solve it. I have to create a fairly shotgun approach.

But, I would say your best bet is to go for 20 to 23 hours of exposure per day if possible. Run it for 3 or more months. Or, identify two major intersupportive problems and then attack them both at once, 12 hours each per day.

(01-13-2015, 08:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: You know, mixing methods means we cannot definitively know if the sub worked (or would have worked) or not...

(02-17-2015, 01:56 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-12-2015, 12:51 AM)LionKing Wrote:

(02-11-2015, 08:32 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: And correct me if I'm wrong but I remember Shannon saying something along the lines of don't use other programming with the Subs.

First of all, I agree with you. Just wanted to add that its not quite that on/off. Not aiming for a comprehensive list here, but one could listen to the subs and:
1. live completely normally/on autopilot
2. set goals and consciously alter your behavior
3. practice mindfulness to notice your emotions and physical feelings, and let the troubling ones go
4. do explicit self-exploration and reorganizing/cleaning, e.g. Byron Katie's Work or other self-therapy method
5. go to a therapist
6. consciously and repeatedly monitor and direct your self-talk with the intention of positive programming, see The power of neuroplasticity
7. Do as in 4., but include specific mental-only releasing methods like the Sedona Method
8. Do as in 4., but include mental+physical releasing methods like tapping or PSTEC
9. Practice self-hypnosis
10. Add other subliminal programming, e.g. use a software to display flashing text on your computer screen
11. Go to a hypnotist

...and then you can of course to these for 1 hour a week or 5 hours a day. I'd set the limit between 6. and 7.

Multiple simultaneous mind programming methods are always a bad idea unless they are specifically designed to be used together.

I do not design my programs to be used with... hypnosis, self hypnosis, PSTEC, NLP, Sedona, etc.

We have had to get very specific in our refund policy because of people being so impatient that they always ignore the instructions, try to use multiple (often contradictory) methods at once, and then get upset with us when it doesn't work.

It is always best to use one mind programming method and one only. Find which one works for you and stick with it, but don't mix them.

(01-13-2015, 09:06 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-08-2015, 10:26 AM)Alta Wrote: Shannon, could you give a fuller explanation of why NLP should not be used with subs? (e.g. does it decrease the effectiveness of the sub, does it cause mental confusion, is it dangerous?)

To date, I have eliminated the following 3 Lefkoe beliefs (the Lefkoe method is essentially NLP) every 5 days or so (the length of time it normally takes for them to return):

What I have to say is not important
People aren't interested in what I have to say
It's dangerous to have people focus on me

(I don't do the NLP at the same time as listening to a sub, I should mention)

These beliefs have a HUGE impact on the quality of my life, and I find it hard to imagine never being able to eliminate them again. It is literally like a light switch - no confidence with the beliefs, complete confidence without them. At the same time, I love these subs and want to continue with them.

I've started listening to ASC in the hope that it might remove my reliance on NLP for confidence. If you could give some indication as to the effect of NLP with subs, it might make my staying away from NLP easier to endure until the sub's effects fully kick in. Alternatively, if it's ok to continue to eliminate these beliefs in the mean time then that would be a bonus

Many thanks

First, you cannot know what is doing what if you don't use them by themselves.

Second, you have scripting conflict potentials, but you also have potential goal conflicts that may or may not be obvious. Both of these can result in neutralization of results and/or unexpected and very strange results.

I can know how I build my programs. I can know how they're scripted, and how well, and how well I have vetted that script, and how well the program has been designed. I cannot know anything outside that. So when you use something else with subs (even another sub I produced at the same time) I cannot know how that will affect the original intent of the sub, and that means we are now in uncharted territory. Uncharted territory isn't good for programming your mind. The goal here is to help, not hinder.

If you use and like NLP, use it. If you use and like my subs, use them. But don't use them together. If you have to choose, choose the method that will give you long term or permanent results.

(02-17-2015, 02:07 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-17-2015, 01:58 PM)Mateunio Wrote:

(02-17-2015, 01:45 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-15-2015, 02:25 PM)jonathan4all Wrote: How about visualisation technique. It does not have any scripting method like Brainwave entertainments. For example, if I am running BASE but I am visualising getting an overall good grade in my school or a goal towards a particular type of woman. Will it hinder subliminal's result ? Shannon I will be glad if you clarify this.

Visualization will not hinder subliminal usage unless it directly conflicts, and even then is unlikely to hinder because:

• Most people don't know how to do it right.
  
• Most people don't do it right.
  
• Even if you do it right, you're dealing with a subiminal that is many times more powerful if it is being used correctly.
  

So visualization is unlikely to be a problem unless it directly conflicts and is properly done and powered.

And how to visualize right?

Doing it right requires very good focus. As in, no external distractions.

It requires practice, because both visualization and focus on one thing for 10 or 15 minutes are hard to do without practice.

It requires clarity of intent and goal. If you don't know specifically what you want, you won't get it.

Simultaneously, it requires you to know when to be vague; too specific on certain details (like faces, specific people, etc.) can get you in trouble.

It requires that you have emotional investment in the goal, and the visualization process.

It requires that you have passion for the goal and the visualization process must reflect that.

It requires that you perform your visualizations for at least 10 minutes a day, preferably 15, 20 or 30 if you can, every day.

It is best done at the same time every day.

It requires that you not self sabotage, but doing your visualization as intently, intensely and passionately and with as much focus as you can while you're doing it, and then drop it for the rest of the time. Don't think about it, look for it, etc. otherwise. Just do it and let it bet.

It requires emotional balance and clarity when you start. You can't be anxious, angry, frustrated, upset, etc. because those will corrupt your intent.

It requires that you visualize and experience, as clearly as possible, through all your senses and your emotions, the total reality of the goal already being true, and yourself enjoying it and explaining to others how you did it.

And last but not least, it requires that you infuse the process with sufficient energy, of the right polarity and type.

(08-02-2014, 04:58 AM)Hold007 Wrote: thats my question can you do nlp sessions when listening to subliminals?

(09-10-2014, 05:08 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's not recommended, as once again, there is the possibility of scripting conflict. However, it can be done just as the use of hypnosis can be done while using subliminals, as long as the script does not conflict.

This may not always be true: 6G technology in one type (instant-on) uses state shifting technology heavily, which will conflict with and be disrupted by hypnosis and NLP.

(12-07-2014, 12:15 PM)adotd Wrote: Hello, I have had a load of success with the previous subs that I have been listening to, and I'm currently using ASC, but was contemplating having hypnotherapy for a phobia I have of mice and rats, but was wondering if this would negatively effect the subliminal, or if it was directly advised against?

(12-09-2014, 11:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: There is a thread on this already. Hypnotherapy is altering mind programming. You should not use both subliminals and hypnotherapy at once unless they are both done by the same producer, and they are both aiming at the same goal.

Shannon Wrote:

RainbowAbyss Wrote: Shannon just curious-am I able to do Hypnotica's Sphinx of Imagination along side
the subliminals?. Its pretty much just a hypnotica story telling alongside music-I don't want to post a link for forum rule reasons but basically its just designed to help facilitate whatever one's goals are-its mostly all just metaphors-no real affirmations or anything

If it's not subliminals, and any hypnosis is not in direct conflict with the script or theme of the subliminals, you should be okay. For instance, you can't expect to use motivation and gratitude and have motivation work, because gratitude will make you feel like you already accomplished the goal, and kill your motivation.

Shannon Wrote:

mat422 Wrote: Thanks for the input Shannon. Your answers really resonated with me and how I've been feeling lately. I'm close to stepping away from that desire to label myself, the reason I say close is because I still feel it pulling at me and trying to pull me back. Right now I'm using a lot of willpower to redirect my mind when it starts moving to the negative and it's a bit draining, but I feel much better.

I actually finished alpha a couple of weeks ago. I was letting my brain rest for a while and then I was thinking of trying out the remove negativity within sub. What do you think?

Try cogitating and meditating on this concept:

I AM I

The desire for labels boils down to fear of the unknown, I think. With a label, there is some sort of structure, and structure is comforting. Without a label, it is "unknown" or "undefined". Define yourself by what you want to be! I know from my past that I am a strong, intelligent man, and I am capable of thinking differently and seeing things other people do not in life. I also know that I want to be financially independent, successful in business, finance, relationships with women, any future marriage, with raising any future children, and with changing the world to be a better place, I want to be free to travel, explore and express my wonder at the world around me, and become multi-lingual. I want to discover something nobody else has ever discovered, or do something nobody else has ever done. I want to share my discoveries and enrich the world by passing on what I know. So... what's my label?

There isn't one. Aside from maybe my name... and I am okay with that. Be at peace, my friend. All is as it should be. Growth is not always comfortable, but it is inevitable that you will get to where you are going.

RNW may be a very good choice for you.

(01-02-2015, 01:00 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-29-2014, 06:40 AM)LiquidMind Wrote: Ulp Looks like I found a flaw that has been a mystery these past few days.

I had felt the effects of the subliminal begin to wear off. I had reverted back to certain ways despite listening to it and now I have come to the conclusion why- my old headphones lost their stereo ability.

My stereo headphones had begun to fade and was producing less quality sound. I picked up new ones today and am listening to the subs now and I can definitely feel it kicking back in the way it did when I first began.

Oh man...how many days have I lost because of this?? Am I to just pick up where I left off or just restart? I am on day 22 but I am thinking of adding like an extra 4 or 5 days to it before I begin stage 2 so it completes itself inside my mind.

Shannon if you are reading - Any thoughts?

Figure out how long the effects were seeming to fade, and then multiply that by 1.5 and do that many extra days. And yes, Stage 1 is intended to be that powerful, but it depends on the personality type and where you are in accomplishment when you start as to how obvious the changes are.

(11-30-2014, 10:46 AM)zen Wrote: Ok, I realized that I did one more extra day of Stage 4/AM5 4G - 33 days instead of 32.

In that case, do I need to do something? I don't think so, but still better to clarify with other users.

(12-03-2014, 01:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: Follow the instructions as closely as possible.

(12-07-2014, 05:22 AM)blue42 Wrote: Its 21~ days to form a rudimentary habit. 32 days is still rudimentary, 90 days is when things start to be entrenched as part of normal unconscious life style.. Sometimes 1 day permanent changes are possible if given enough desire (the magic key).

(12-09-2014, 11:26 PM)Shannon Wrote: That is not universally true. It depends on the type of input, the person's age and the personality type. We use 32 days per stage because goal overlap happens from stage to stage, and the end result is more than 32 days of each goal. 32 days is the minimum a program should be used for single stage programs, and min/max for six stage programs because of goal overlap.

(11-10-2014, 01:20 AM)Broski Wrote: Hey guys, I am coming up on 2 weeks into stage 3 of AM 6 and find myself feeling a bit discouraged. I really cant say Ive noticed any sort of progress thus far. I still care too much about what other people think and my SA is at about the same level as when I started. Is there anyone that has gone this far through the program and not experienced something but then all of a sudden noticed some big changes happening later on? Im sticking with it and hoping I get some sort of break through eventually

(11-10-2014, 12:11 PM)Shannon Wrote: If I could achieve the end result in one stage, why would I have six of them? It would be easier to build, and easier to sell.

You cannot judge your journey by those of others - you are your own unique snowflake. And, not everyone is going to notice results in the same stage or at the same pace. Some people are more resistant than others. You have to go at your own pace, and never judge yourself against others.

Just follow the directions.

(10-29-2014, 08:31 PM)Shannon Wrote: Shannon likes it when people read and follow the directions. You didn't follow the directions, which tell you not to stop in the middle, so now you have to start over again from the beginning. Had you followed the directions, you wouldn't have to do that. Maybe you should follow the directions? Because I didn't write them for my health. They tell you how to get the results the program is designed to give. If you did not need to follow the directions, I would not spend days and sometimes more than a week writing them. But you do, so I write them, and I expect that people who want to get the results (or a refund if they don't get the results) will follow the directions. Because that's what you need to do to get the results, and be eligible for a refund if for some reason you don't. Follow the directions.

Shannon Wrote:

Elusive Wrote: Shannon, with.. well any sub, is it useful to play masked and silent track at the same time, while near a pc, of so, must they be in sync in order to not confuse or does that matter?

Wow, you guys, always trying to get more power. lol

There are two reason I don't have the ultrasonic in the masked tracks. One is that it would then potentially not work for people who have speakers/headphones that are insufficient for playing ultrasonics. The other is the overload factor. Too much at once for input/processing is going to overload your brain and that will just cause you to go into a daze.

If they are perfectly synchronized, the result would be simultaneous input of two 4G audio streams of subliminal data on two different "channels" - masked and ultrasonic at the same time. This synchronization is the only chance you have of keeping it from becoming overload... and there is a chance that it would work... but it seems very likely to me that it would become overload. 4G is no joke. The only hope you have of this working is the synchronization, which, if it works, would effectively act as a signal booster instead of overload.

I don't recommend you try it. You guys are of course crazy, so I know someone's going to ignore my recommendation and try this anyway. If you go batsh*t crazy trying, it's your responsibility. If it works, then I get credit. lol

I simply have not had a chance to do any testing on this to see if it works, or is safe. Anyone crazy enough to try it, please report your findings.

(01-02-2015, 10:07 PM)brightike Wrote: Shannon, I'm just finishing stage 5 AM 6.0 and I'm wondering what the physical change that AM6.0 is as well as the manifestation. Additionally is part of the SM lead in about better sexual performance cause you turned me into a champ. I mean stage two was intense in that regard, but now I have been wrecking the girl I have sex with every time. Thanks regardless!

(01-08-2015, 03:59 PM)Shannon Wrote: Physical change has to do with taking care of yourself and adjusting your body to be more in line with being an alpha male. It is difficult to be a leader of men, if you cannot get off the couch.

SM Lead In can have that effect. :-)

(01-13-2015, 10:00 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-13-2015, 09:40 AM)essy Wrote: Currently on stage 2 of AM6 and starting to see change. My initial plan was to jump into WM or SM afterwards. Based on what I've read, WM is probably a better idea for me, which leads to my first question:

Considering that AM includes aspects of and a segue into SM, will that priming be lost if, after AM, I do WM first?

From a broader perspective, will the preparation that AM provides for WM and SM be diluted or lost if I were to jump into End Premature Ejaculation (assuming it's out by then) after AM?

AM is designed to provide the necessary base for WM and SM. You CANNOT get results intended from those programs if you do not run through AM fully at least once. In fact many guys have ignored my advice on this and they end up quitting SM/WM in the middle, cursing themselves for wasting their time, and then doing AM all over from scratch. So if you mean you're going to jump from Stage 2 of AM to WM or SM, think again: won't work.

AM's SM priming is compatible with WM, but WM will transform it away from a raw sexual direction.

And yes, you will lose the primer if you don't do SM/WM after AM.

(02-03-2015, 05:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: Keep in mind that on top of frequently it being true that AM requires a total of 2-3 run-throughs total to get full benefits from it, it also needs time after you finish to "set". That's why we recommend taking a little time off between subs, especially the big ones. Rome wasn't built in a day. The Titanic didn't turn on a dime.

(02-12-2015, 08:19 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-11-2015, 08:17 AM)Jingo786 Wrote: Hey all,

So I finished AM6 a few weeks ago and unfortunately didn't have the changes that were described - mainly in the area of women.

Before I started AM6 I had begun my own journey of entrepreneurship where I have had great mentors guiding me along the way so while I feel there have been positive changes, I cannot attribute them to the mentorship or AM6 alone.

When it comes to women however, it seems I still have a lot of 'beta' style thoughts as well as social and approach anxiety - something that I was hoping would not be as big an issue anymore. Especially once I had finished the program.

That said, I do use tinder a lot and when things like approaching and social pressures are not a factor, I have a pretty decent level of success. Especially when travelling.

However, the social and approaching pressures are something I feel is key to eliminate to be an Alpha but am at a crossroads from my success with things like tinder verses my inability to approach and still get in my own head about what others would think of me when I see a girl and I want to approach.

To Shannon and those who have completed it, should I re-visit AM6 for another run or move on to SM? I recall reading that many people re-do AM but think some have still failed to see major changed. I also had little to no resistance throughout the entire programme.

I used it for 8-13 hours everyday and used it for the prescribed time with headphones during the day and surround sound speakers at night near my bed.

I know it has been discussed before but am curious to see what people think given my situation. Tinder goes pretty well for me and I do feel there is improvement on that end.

I am currently taking a few weeks off subliminals before i move on to the next one as I hope it will give my mind time to absorb any further changes.


Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

I think the issue is a combination of the following things.

1. You may have had expectations that did not fit the program. When the program does its thing, you become more valuable to women naturally. But it's not designed to make you "better with" women, just more in control of yourself, your life, your choices. When you can say no to sex, if you don't really want it, that impresses a woman and she will generally respond with more attraction. When you can and do stop women from manipulating you or taking advantage of you it's the same thing. But AM doesn't make you better with women, just more self directed, self controlled, and strong - which naturally results in more interest and attraction.

2. You may not have perceived resistance, but that does not mean there wasn't any. Some forms of resistance are not as obvious as others. Different personality types try to fight in different ways. Stonewalling usually results in.... nothing. Most people don't stonewall. The point is, though, that resistance can be entirely subconscious, and may not be consciously obvious or noticed.

3. The Naturalizer really is very good. It has been both a blessing and a problem for me because of how good it is.

4. You may be like me, and need 2-3 run-throughs to get it.

I agree with CatMan's suggestions. Give it a week off and then re-run the program from stage 1 through stage 6 again.

You can also try a different sub and see if you notice anything. The option for EHPRA for a month is there. But that won't really tell you anything, except that you resisted X but not Y. I'm of the opinion that it's better to spend your time using the program again.

(03-11-2015, 08:35 AM)AlphaMind Wrote:

(03-10-2015, 10:56 PM)AlphaRomeo Wrote: Hi,

I hope my question is in right thread. I have read in this forum that it is good NOT to use affirmations while running subliminal because they might cause a conflict. However, I am wondering the effect if I use only an affirmation like:

"AM script is working extremely well for me", or whatever script I would be running, I would target the affirmation, say, "ASC script is..." (or would it be better to be more global and use affirmation like "subliminal programs are working extremely well for me?). I would speak and insert/edit into my preferred brainwave audio, making the volume so the affirmation is just below my conscious hearing level and let that affirmation just loop there. I don´t see how that could conflict but only possibly increase the effects of the subliminal program. But who knows...maybe Shannon?

The thing is, I am using brainwave entertainment (BWE) daily so IF this works it would only make the time spend on BWE more efficient; getting the benefits of the BWE program but also boosting the effect on subliminals. I am running BWE always at different time than any subliminal (My earphones can not either repeat ultrasonic or I get headache from ultra, and listening BWE with masked sub simultaneously aint good...)

Any thoughts? Also, IF this works, any suggestions about the wording (instead of "X script works extremely well on me...")? Not a native english speaker...is it "On me" or "for me"? If this is ok, any other "safe" affirmations? I recon just one affirmation can be effective, eve tho usually there "should" more be (like 10+) , but then again...if we use more affirmations then we run at risk of conflict again. So wondering about if the one I suggested can be safely used just on its own... Thanks.

AlphaRomeo

Let me paraphrase it buddy

Quote:Shannon's subliminal mp3s works magnificently regardless of my conscious thoughts

Your welcome

PS: The only affirmation OK for Shannon's subliminal is I can do ANYTHING. But I am sorry to say that I can't find his post to confirm this, if anybody of you would be so kind in checking Shannon's posts then thank you

(03-11-2015, 09:18 PM)Shannon Wrote: I can see that using an affirmation for helping to release resistance is the goal. However, as the script already has some very advanced efforts in that direction built in, likely the only way you're going to potentially benefit from such an activity is to present it directly to the conscious mind. I have found that in many cases that the conscious mind is misaligned to the subconscious, and that is what causes issues. This is greatly improved upon with 6G.

If you want to use an affirmation to that effect, you would do better to use phrasing like this:

"I now safely, comfortably and effortlessly bring myself to and safely, comfortably and effortlessly maintain an ideal state of mind, body and emotions in which I am now completely relaxed and comfortable with, and actually allowing myself to trust, cooperate with and be positively, safely and helpfully influenced by, the subliminal program I am using."

That is pretty complex and therefore recording it would almost be a necessity. I recommend recording it and repeating it with a four second pause in between, varying the volume each time you have it play. For instance: Phrase plays, -6 dB (full volume). 4 second pause. Phrase plays, -10 dB. 4 second pause. Phrase plays, -17 dB. 4 second pause. Phrase plays, -10 dB. 4 second pause. Phrase plays, -6 dB. Repeat.

This may not be the ideal for use with BWE, and you may have to adjust the volumes accordingly, but you get the idea.

This will be unnecessary with 6G programs.

(03-11-2015, 09:46 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-11-2015, 07:47 PM)yeah! Wrote: I have another related question for Shannon or anyone who knows the answer, if there is already a thread could someone please link me up (I'm sure it has to have)?

If I run AM6 I have to refresh every 6 months or so or is it a year? Anyways for BASE there is also a refresher and I am wondering how one would do a full year one or even BAMM and still run refreshers. I have also just read adotd's thread about how he needs to do 6 full months or rerun OED every few months as well. Is there a limit to 6 stage programs if you want to retain all goodness?

So the question is how to effectively stack programs and is there a limit?

Refreshers are just that. Once you've "gotten it", if you want to top up, you can run the refresher. Until programming becomes permanent, you usually want to either re-run a major set once a year at least, or run the refresher once a year for 1 to 6 months depending on your assessment of what you're trying to achieve and what the refresher does for you.

When doing a full year one, or BAMM, one does not run refreshers. One runs the program in use, and only that program. I use BAMM every day, and the exception to the rule is that I also run the experimental sleep aid V2 for 30 minutes to fall asleep sometimes.

I am also responsible for testing the 6G prototypes, and so I sometimes get exposed to that as well, but you guys are not in such a unique and challenging position. Don't try to stack programs in the sense of using two or more at the same time unless both are 4G or lower, and the other requirements are met, as specified in the thread about how many can be used at once in the FAQ section.

(03-18-2015, 05:35 PM)Shannon Wrote: Point 1. WM and SM have always been dependent upon AM as a prerequisite, and were created from the ground up as such, because what was being requested was something to follow AM with. These two programs did not exist until someone asked for them after doing AM, and they wanted somethng to extend the results and effects. AM has from before day 1 been a pre-requisite for both of these programs.

Point 2. You guys seem to be misunderstanding the quote you are discussing from my journal. Yes, I was excited. Yes, I was enthusiastic. But I was so because I knew what was in it, and you'll notice that I said, "If this works the way it's supposed to". I said that because I wasn't sure it would. Why? Because there are frequently variables in play that I do not know about. I cannot account for what isn't known yet.

Thanks for the chuckle on "could sell water to whales", but I'm not trying to get people to buy things they don't need. I'm just expressing what excitement I feel at how it's made and what's in it. If it has not worked to the degree that it was hoped and/or expected to work, there can be only two reasons, because it is scripted and built properly. Otherwise I would not have been excited in the first place:

Reason 1: The user has not finished building the foundation necessary through use of AM first.
Reason 2: The user is afraid of sex and/or some aspect of sex or getting to it. (See Reason #1.)

WHY would less interest in sex be a result of a program focused completely on sex otherwise? That just screams "fear response". Have you ever seen what a dog does when you yell at it for going on the floor? "Fido! Get over here!" That dog sure as hell is not going to happily wander over and lick your hand. It knows there's something scary coming, and it hides under the table, under the bed, behind someone else... anything but coming to you.

And when you grab it's collar to drag it over to the poo, as many dog owners do, and try to point out to the dog WHY you are upset, does it cooperate? Of course not. It's desperately scrambling and clawing to stop itself from facing having to deal with whatever it is you have in mind for it.

If you haven't mastered your fears concerning sex, you cannot expect that something forcing a focus completely on sex is going to meet with cooperation. The program is designed to help and work on them, but if you think about it, society has certain things that are extremely taboo. Sex is one of them. That's why it's so hard to achieve for most guys. Women are taught to be afraid of it, men are taught to be afraid of it. It's a social control mechanism and it's backed up with the biggest threats society has to offer.

So if you were taught that you might spend eternity burning for sex or something concerning sex, even if your conscious mind has forgotten, your subconscious mind may still be operating based on that fear. And it will take time to overcome, and if you don't overcome it before focusing on it, guess what? It's going to scare the hell out of you and you're going to fight tooth and nail to resist, because some part of you literally thinks this is do or die!

So if the results are not being achieved, is it the program's fault, or did you just not use the foundation builder enough? It stands to reason that if the program were at fault, then the foundation builder would also be faulty, and it wouldn't work. But we know it does work, so we have to conclude that since they're both built the same way, by the same man, using the same principles... they both work! It's just a matter of dealing with fears concerning sex and getting to it.

Now, the auras, question came up as to them. Do they work? Sure, as long as you don't fear creating them. Back to fear. Did you clear out the crap and build the foundation first? If not... well, it's not going to work the way it's designed to.

So if you didn't get all the results AM is designed for, then don't run SM. Run AM again.

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to you that if I was just trying to sell stuff, I would have a desire for you to use AM exactly once, and it would not be suggested that you use it 2, 3 or more times. That takes 6 months that you can't be using something else, and that's basically saying spend 1-2 years not buying our products. Does that sound like something I would be saying if I wanted you to buy and use more (i.e. SM)? I am more concerned with you getting what you paid for, not selling more. I understand that if you get what you pay for, you will come back, even if it's not this week.

mat422 Wrote:

ncbeareatingman Wrote: I Understand that Alpha Male does and WILL obliterate and squash 'neediness' to the bone, If that is all it did,it would be well worth the price in and of itself,amoung all the other powerful intergration programing it does.
I'd like to hear from some of you men here,what yer expereinces/results have been in light of 'unhooking',disolution of neediness and what its been like to be FREE of such,more or less?'more' is my guess. thank you. Keith.

Hey Keith, I'll give you my input on how alpha has made me less needy. First I had to understand where the neediness came from. Most of the time for me it was because I was looking for approval and validation in someone else. Neediness for me felt like something wasn't right and I was acting in a way that I didn't like, but had trouble stopping. When you start building up yourself and improving with the subliminals you grow as a person. I eventually got to a place where I was comfortable on my own. Along the way I had these periods of enlightenment you could say, anyway I'd feel in my whole being that I was more solid or whole. It's just this internal feeling of not needing and it's hard to put into words, it truly is an experience.

My first run through of alpha I stated something in my journal that I still believe 100%. You can read all the books, all the theory, all the success stories of other individuals, but until you feel that feeling of non-neediness for yourself, it is almost impossible to understand. What makes this subliminal so powerful for me is it goes beyond the conscious mind and makes you feel it. Having the correct beliefs are so important, you really do alter your own reality once you change your beliefs.

I was a skeptic, but I was hopeful as well. Trust me when I say that these changes go beyond words. I've still got my sticking points and I may not have as much success as the other guys. But some things just aren't quantifiable and my sense of internal fulfillment is a testament to that.

Shannon Wrote: ... I'd like to suggest to you that you not take the experiences of others as what to expect for yourself on the alpha set. Not only has it changed significantly, but you are heavily right brained, and most of the rest of us are not. It may make a difference. We can't know yet.

Just be careful when you're going through the jerk stage not to piss off the wrong people.

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Roy Wrote: Shannon,would it be OK to use manifestation techniques while using AM 5.0?

No. AM 5.0 actually uses manifestation methods that will absolutely max you out for that. No Type C or D programs while using AM 5.0.

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JamesC71 Wrote: Shannon? How much of the alpha program really comes down to not giving a F****?

Not giving a f**** is a function of part of the program, and an important one, but it is a secondary or even tertiary function. The point of the IDGAF is twofold:

1. To disconnect the user from external focus and re-frame internally so that work on the self may take place without distraction, and

2. it is a natural result of the work done internally, to a large degree.

The main focus of the program is to shift the user to becoming, achieving and expressing his full potential as an individual and as a man. IDGAF is induced in the beginning, and at the end, becomes a natural expression of his confidence, self reliance, self security, etc. but what changes is specifically what he doesn't care about anymore.

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Tiesto Wrote: Shannon, I think you once mentioned that before repeating AM for the second time it is necessary to take at least 1 month break between the first run and the second run, what is the reason for this?

Will it cause some kind of a problem if the user just jump in straight for the second run without any break? Just like going from AM to SM (where there is no break necessary), but instead of that, it is AM to AM.

I can't seem to figure out a strong reason why a break that long (at least 1 month) is required between AM repeated run-through.

It is required to allow the programming to sink in and become fully integrated once you are finished. AM to SM doesn't have the same requirements because SM Stage 1 is not AM Stage 1. Cycling through AM relies on a special sort of balancing act, and Stage 6 "re-balances" you. It has to be allowed to fully blossom before you start over again.

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JamesC71 Wrote: Shannon, what does AM5.0 do in terms of priorities? meaning I know in the description it talks about doing things that need to be done but how does that relate to accessing the importance of priorities? I ask only because I tend to put things off which I want to stop doing.

AM does not deal with prioritizing tasks. The goal is a stronger, more healthy man emotionally. Generally, procrastination comes from a disagreement between the conscious and subconscious minds as to what should be done, with the subconscious frequently acting the part of a child who doesn't want to do what's necessary, and resisting.

What AM will help with is understanding that they need to be done, and doing them because an alpha male is a leader and gets done what needs to be done.

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JamesC71 Wrote: Shannon? What are your thoughts on using the Alpha Male program with a meditation program such as Holosync?

Well, first, my thoughts are that I'm not going to suggest you use the products of one of my competitors. lol I don't know their products well enough to comment anyway.

That said, if you were using one of MY BWE meditation programs, which I know well enough to comment on, and you used the right one, it could be beneficial. From the Special Meditations set, you would want to use the meditations falling from mid Alpha to mid Theta levels. But of course it depends on what your goal is, and overuse is going to be detrimental regardless.

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ncbeareatingman Wrote: "How To Become An Alpha Male" by John Alexander ,been meaning to ask this ferever. Once I start Alpha in Full,how will this 'book' help me as a Man who is one a natural Alpha but who is also homosexual,Shannon? I dont really feel like 'going thru a book' and reading it and/or crossing out literally 'women' statements' and writing IN BY HAND 'man/men' statements. IM left handed also, and so accomadating others is a requirement, in other words as a Gay Man( have to accomodate a str8 world) and da lefty,(acccomdate a world of right handers- LOOK at how many products come IN RIGHT HANDED ONLY). think about it yawl? Soooo re-do-ing a str8 book 'language' is a pain sometimes.
perhaps THERES A WAY to get the result from reading John A's book and still get the bene's from it any who,despite the abouve mentioned. Keith.

The point of reading the book has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It's a way of making sure you have a good grasp of the alpha concept so your subconscious can more fully respond to the alpha program. The reason I suggest this book is because it's got enough stuff in it that even an experienced alpha can take something useful away from it. But for even a gay man, the concept being expressed remains valid. You don't need to go through and cross anything out. Just go for the concepts and you'll be fine.

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JamesC71 Wrote: Shannon. in the description for AM 5.0 it says it has leadership training . Can you expand a little on one that entails?

Without going back and reading through the script, I'm afraid I won't be able to remember everything... and that's a lot of script to read through. But what I remember is that it removes and destroys insecurity, anxiety and several other things that usually prevent a man from taking the role of leader, encourages him to think of himself as the natural leader in any situation, and just comfortably and automatically assume that role.

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ALI6NMENT Wrote: Shannon, does alpha 5.0 deal with procrastination at all? I'm on stage 3 but I have been non action oriented for a long time, I don't want to just be a dreamer no more, I want to be more action orientated, but I have non active for some time so it seems normal, just wondering if alpha deals with this or if it will benifit me using the sub for it. Thanks

Yes sir, it does deal with procrastination.

Quote:Edit - I trying to think what stops me and I am finding out it I want things to be perfect before I start, but they never are, so I never do start. Also, I am finding I can't be bothered, I feel what's the point.

That comes from something else entirely. That's called faulty thinking and negativity. It's the slippery slope logical fallacy. You may have to deal with that another way. Although you haven't finished with AM yet, so we don't know. I am presuming you are using 5.0.

Quote:I am finding that for not keeping in contact, wanting to spend time with friends because they are not my type, to which I become friendless.

You must empty your cup before you can fill it with something new, my friend. That's part of the transformation. The old falls away and the new takes it's place.

Quote:Not training because my situation is not the perfect enough to make the most of it, to which I never start or start then shortly stop because of same reason.

Perfectionism can be used as a very effective excuse to be lazy or hide from fears. But again, this isn't the primary focus of AM, and you haven't finished the program yet either.

Quote:I know with just the small examples above, if I did not have these strong reasons for not doing, starting, or continuing, my life would be more furfilling and I'd be my h more joyful.

Do you know what this could be Shannon? I have just noticed, they are all connected. It's been so long now, that I finally admitted to myself that it is not right to do this but I am not sure why I do this or what I can do to change.

Thanks

I would say that based on what you have told me, it's probably rooted in some fear. I used to do things like that out of fear of socializing. The AM program may be pushing you to face buried fears and insecurities. Are these reactions new since you started the program?

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redragon Wrote: Hi Shannon,
Will AM fix me being a "nice guy"?

That depends on how much you internalize and cooperate with the program, how much you allow yourself to grow, and whether or not you use it according to the directions.

I am a nice guy, but I don't take shit anymore. AM is designed to make you alpha and dominant, without having anything to provem while being socially pleasant. So in the sense of "nice guy" you're talking about, which is probably the weak beta male who gets walked on because he's afraid to do anything but appease others, yes, AM will definitely make changes to that - although it may require more than a single run through for some people. You'll probably be pleasant to be around afterwards, as the end stage is sort of a "polishing" effect, since you catch more bees with honey than vinegar, as the saying goes... but you won't be letting others walk on you, or not as readily.

It can take two or three run throughs for some people (basing this on older stuff, not sure about 5.0 yet) to get the hang of it.

(10-04-2014, 04:49 PM)Shannon Wrote: It takes a lot of maturity to let the other person, who is clearly wrong, think they have won the argument because you don't need to force them to admit you are right. It means you know, deep down, that you are right, and you have outgrown and mastered that part of yourself that used to need the security of outward displays of "being right".

Whenever you battle emotion with logic, logic always wins and loses at the same time, because emotions cannot do logic. They do the reverse of logic, which means that logic wins at logic. But it always loses because there is no way to argue an emotional opponent with logic and get anywhere. It's a waste of energy, and it makes observers wonder who the bigger fool is.

Whenever I realize I am arguing with someone who is coming from an emotional basis, I stop arguing, because there is no way to get my point across and understood unless I appeal to their emotions, which essentially means I have to emotionally manipulate them - which I am not willing to do. So I just stop arguing and walk away. And if they think they've "won", more power to them. I am not arguing to "win", I am just trying to be clearly understood.

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mat422 Wrote:

Shannon Wrote: Mat, I believe that all things must be balanced. That includes males and females, and the ego versus humility. It is false ego that is the enemy... and unbalanced ego. False ego is based in insecurity and fear. A healthy, balanced, genuine ego is based in experience, self love, self reliance and maturity.

I figured I'd post this here, so the other thread doesn't get clogged up. Shannon I feel like every time you present something like this it makes me think more and more about how I live my life haha. It's like I think I've got things figured out and then I start from scratch. So I switched out one of the things from my list and added being your own alpha male.

Reading over my last post and then reading yours I kind of realized I've got some false ego going on. I think I want to feel powerful and dominant because of fear. I feel like I kind of do project this false image out of insecurity at times. I guess I just don't want people hurting me. I feel like some times I have trouble turning off the seriousness instead of just having fun.

I mean I do want to be alpha, otherwise I wouldn't have listened to the sub. But then I usually ask myself why I feel so compelled to improve myself so much. Maybe my problem is I accepted such a low standard of living for myself for so long that I didn't realize that I should be experiencing something more. Part of being an alpha male is not caring what others think of you, but sometimes I feel like people do respect me more for being alpha and that boosts my self esteem. So I did acknowledge what someone thought of me in a way.

Maybe I'm just over thinking this and I should wait until I finish up the rest of the stages. You probably already thought of all this and put it in the set anyway haha. If there's one thing I learned from my first run through it's that the ego balancing was just the right amount. I always had this underlying fear of just becoming a guy with an overinflated ego, but it was all perfectly balanced.

I think you share with me a tendency to excessive literalism and overanalysis. I have spent a good bit of time learning to overcome them, and still they plague me, but not as badly as before.

You should perhaps consider that to say that you don't care what anyone thinks is not going to be a black and white absolute. If I did not care what my customers thought, would we have this forum? If I did not care what my lovers thought, would I take the time to give them pleasure? But I don't do these things because I am a slave to them; I do them because I want things to be better.

Consider: I care about my customers, and I care about my reputation as a producer of quality subliminal products that work, because I invest personal pride in doing the right thing. If I produce a product that does not work for the majority of people, and I continue to sell it, am I doing the right thing? Should I not care what they think because I am an alpha male? On the contrary, I care what they think because I am trying to not only uphold my own personal sense of honor and integrity, but I am trying to make the lives of those who use my programs better.

Do I care if I upset someone unintentionally? Yes. Do I care if I am out of bounds with something I say and it is rude or overly aggressive? Yes. Do I care if I speak eloquently? Yes.

Do I care of someone tells me thy don't like my style of clothes? Nope. Do I care if someone tells me my religious beliefs are "wrong?" Nope. Do I care if a woman wants to date me? Not really. Do I care if my car isn't cool? Not much. I wouldn't mind having one that better fits my self image, but the one I have runs well, and I have no pressing need to get a new one. Even if it's not a "chick magnet". I'll get the chick magnet later. It's not a big deal.

Perhaps this will illustrate a little bit better what it means to be an alpha male concerning what others think, and when/whether an alpha cares. It isn't about what others think, it's about being a good man, for myself. Doing that doesn't require me to compete for the attention of the ladies by having a flashy car. A woman worth having will value me for who and what I am, not the car I drive. Being rude and overly aggressive is inconsiderate, which would reflect poorly on me and be contrary to my goals of making the world a better place.

When I care what others think, it's because it really matters. It really matters if my products work. It really matters if I am honest, and have integrity. It really matters if I am polite, and keep myself under control when/if I become upset. These things matter because they have impact that has real value. But it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of me, or my car, or what I do, or what I believe, from a stand point of trying to impress them. Do you see the difference? I do as I please, but I also value my self, my honor and integrity, and I value myself as a force for positive change in the world.

There is a saying that "Those who matter don't mind, and those who mind, don't matter." It's not a bad one to consider. I doubt I have done justice to the point I was trying to get across, but for the moment, it is the best I can do.

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massagemaggie Wrote: I'm just the peanut gallery here and I know the "not caring" wasn't about this at all, but as a female, it's automatically attractive when a man doesn't care about what others think. I think it also gives more integrity to the work he does, and the love he gives because he is giving it genuinely rather than out of a fear based insecurity. So much of what people call love is something that is very limited and conditional, and yes it's given out of fear instead of love as a state of being. It can make people angry when they discover they cannot control you but "not caring" is a good thing. It's not what the words would make it sound like.

Lots of guys go through the motions and look fantastic, have lots of shiny societal trophies, the ones who are worried about popular opinion are also worried about their woman and you can almost smell their need for approval and it is a turn off. Unless I want to manipulate them and in that case they're putty in <my, or any woman's> hands. I'm not like this at all, but if I was ever looking to use a man, I'd find one who is trying to gain my approval. They almost beg you to use them, but the attraction factor is not there.

Bingo. Thank you. I have been telling the guys this from a man's point of view for some time now. To have it from a woman's point of view is a wonderful addition. You put it in terms and added in some things I didn't.

You're right, it is much more genuine what you get from a man who refuses to be manipulated or controlled, and does his own thing. Unfortunately, that isn't valued by most women because it isn't understood by most women. Those women who do use manipulation and control tactics on men (which is almost universal in the United States as a cultural norm, unsurprisingly, since this is a Cancerian country. Cancer rules the feminine and the mother principle, and is famous for using emotional manipulation tactics [guilt, shame, fear] to get what it wants when it is acting out of the negative pole) don't understand that when they control and manipulate a man, they're not going to get what they want as a result. They're going to get a broken beta male they don't find attractive. Maybe that also plays into the divorce rate here, and the level of infidelity in monogamous relationships?

Whatever the case, thank you, Maggie.

Shannon Wrote: Rainbow, we differ in opinion here over the order of how to go about things. I want to build the man to make women come, and you (seem) to want to women to come to build the man. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. However, if I am not, I will state again my reasons for my point of view:

To get sex, a man must do one of two things. Either he must beg for it, or he must be the man a woman wants to give it to.

To become the man a woman wants to give it to, he must turn away from women, and external pursuits for happiness, and turn within, to improve himself, for himself. When a man becomes without need for the woman, the woman wants him, and wants to share sex with him.

To add in the female to the first level of the set would take the focus away from the internal, from self growth, and turn out outward. That will distract from the whole goal of the first level of the set, which is inner growth as a man. It is about the man, not the woman. Women are a distraction from the man becoming his true potential. That is a large part of why many have not achieved it: they lack the understanding, focus and discipline to do so.

I agree, sex is very basic and very important. But it is to the man who is his own master that the sex goes naturally. You must first build the foundation before you can build a house.

Level II can start to deal with external focii such as women. Level I is, and always was, about the man, the self, and inner growth and healing.

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Tiesto Wrote:

Shannon Wrote: Women are a distraction from the man becoming his true potential. That is a large part of why many have not achieved it: they lack the understanding, focus and discipline to do so.

I totally agree with you here Shannon.

With my case I used to focus on women all the time as well, until I finally realized I need to build myself first and especially my wealth, until I can be an abundant provider, who can provide anytime I wishes, and not beg for anything from other people, being independently wealthy.

I'm so tempted to try out your Sex Magnet program, and go have fun with girls, but I decided I need to focus on my business first, before I think about having fun, and I really like the way you will set up Alpha Male which will focus on the core first.

When each one of us have financial freedom, women are so easy to get, there will be virtually no limit to what kind of women we want to have relationship with, and not only that, the playground will be totally different, we can take our women to go anywhere we want in world, go on a date to exotic places and do all kind of amazing things.

Focusing on ourselves first and our financial while sacrificing the focus on women is definitely NOT easy, but I think it is what we men have to do, we focus first on what really matters in our life, if we have truly an exciting life there will be limitless supply of women who wants to join the excitement and the potential that we got to offer, and we never have to beg them for anything, they'll be more than happy to join the ride.

The line between the men and the boys is maturity. The men do what needs to be done to get what they want, even if the process isn't fun, or takes then away from what they want for a while. The boys chase what they want without ever doing what it takes to get it.

The point about being a capable provider is an interesting one, because in a lot of ways, the female of the species associates the provider with the beta male. Genetically, it is the wild bad boy she's after during her younger years, and usually it will be the unreliable bad boy who gets the eggs and the provider who is made to believe they are his children he is raising.

The role of a leader is to lead. A leader can lead himself, or he can lead himself and others. To a certain extent, all leaders must also provide for those they lead, whether through leadership, organisation, or whatever else.

The role of every alpha male is to lead provide for himself, and his responsibilities. When a man takes on a woman as a partner, he is responsible for providing at least half of the couple's needs. In a perfect world, she would be providing for half and he would be providing for half. He would cover what she could not do while she was fulfilling her role in the partnership, and she would do the same for him.

The alpha provider therefore is different from the beta provider. The alpha remains the leader of at least himself in the couple. The beta provides as a means of getting the girl, and allows himself to be used, controlled and manipulated in the process.

Provider is an important role for a man, but it must be taken with care not to allow it to make one into the "taken advantage of" as well. I have seen that a lot.

Shannon Wrote: The secret to happiness in life... as far as I can see... amounts to this.

Do what makes you happy, without harming others. Let go of your expectations, and appreciate what you get and what you have. Set goals and steadily achieve them. Live always in wonderment of the world around you. Never stop learning, or discovering new things. Smile when you encounter others. Be polite. Drive it like it's important to you. Love like tomorrow is the last day you have. Be of service where you can. Appreciate the joy and pleasure of others as if it were your own. Do the right thing. And walk barefoot in the grass once in a while.

I'm sure you can pull out of that what is relevant for you.

(02-26-2015, 02:27 PM)Shannon Wrote: The Optimus Engine is a polymorphic universal script set that basically causes you to focus on achieving the goal and use all available safe methods to accomplish that goal. In other words, it allows your own subconscious to use it's vast knowledge and wisdom to approach the subject of how to achieve the goal, and this can and frequently does lead to some very unexpected results and methods for doing so. In fact in a number of cases I have seen, people responding to the OE actually did things that they credited with their success instead of the program. If that was the case, though, why did they only start doing the things that led to success after they started using the program? In the case of this forum, of course, there is a communicable bandwagon effect for things like PSTEC, etc. But still, the OE allows your subconscious mind to work out the best way(s) to achieve the goal, because there is no way I can know all the variables in play. The results, as I said, are frequently surprising. When I first tested the OE, I was floored at the changes it got me to make to achieve my goal, stuff I would never in a million years have thought of doing otherwise. Some of it, in fact, was stuff I would have been afraid to do otherwise!

Shannon Wrote: Okay, 6G update.

I now have achieved a state in which the experimental prototype is so powerful that just hours worth of exposure produces effects for 3 to 7 days afterwards. This is not yet well documented or understood, but I have had a number of testers report this result, which I also experience upon testing.

I believe I am getting fairly close to finished developing this technology, but it may still be months more work before I can begin turning it into 6G format, and months or even years more work before I can start working to build anything else in it. It is complex to the point of ridiculous, and in fact so much so that even just the self optimizing pre-script statement for each instruction statement is now 3+ pages of typed text all by itself, in a single line spacing 12 point format. So each statement is between 3 and 5 pages of text total. The prototype now has over 135 statements in it. More are being added on a regular basis.

I am as yet not fully sure what all types of things this will be good for, but I am pretty sure that this technology will be something that you cannot use while driving or doing things that require concentration. It may be that 1-8 hours exposure per day is all that is required, and it may be that such is all that is allowed. I am not sure yet, but I have found that attempting to use this program for too many hours at a time causes my rain to so completely shift focus to what the program is telling my subconscious mind to do that I am ineffective for doing other things. This is part of why it has been taking me longer than usual to get work done lately, although I am only just coming to realize this.

I am confident that this technology will be very useful for creating subliminal digital drug simulants. That is not to say that I am aiming at creating recreational drug type subliminals, although that is a possibility; what I am interested in is things like stress relief, muscle tension release, emotional relaxation, mental relaxation, pain relief, and potentially things like helping asthmatics open their lungs and alveoli during an attack, preventing nausea and vomiting, speeding healing, sleep aids, wake-up aids, calmatives, etc. Things that are genuinely needed and useful, but not recreationally so.

As for recreational digital subliminal drug simulants, theoretically I can create them and have them work for anyone regardless of their level of previous drug use and what type of drug they prefer or how much their body has become accustomed to that drug. That is something I still need to verify, but again, I am not sure I want to create that sort of program. There are positive and negative potentials for that sort of technology. I do not wish to have a hand in the negatives.

Aside from that, there is potential application in a number of other directions, but development is not yet far enough along for me to know what the limits are. If this does what I suspect it is capable of, it might allow me to create a stop smoking program, for example, that allows the person to stop smoking on day one, and then through continued usage, become a permanent nonsmoker without weight gain, stress, withdrawal, etc. It might be a very effective way to enhance the weight loss program. And it might have application in other important directions as well.

Here's what I know. It's incredibly powerful, but it is not "there" yet. I know it can be improved on still. But I am definitely close.

(07-31-2014, 09:21 PM)AlphaMind Wrote: As mentioned in Shannon's journal it is finally the time for live testing with this technology and it is finally the time for ASC to be upgraded!

Far as I know the current ASC still implementing old SoS and HST scripting.

(08-07-2014, 12:04 AM)lokko Wrote: just cause 5g doesn't allow it doesn't mean 6g can't. When there's a will there's a way. You think that one over.

(08-07-2014, 12:35 AM)Shannon Wrote: Lokko, where there's a will there are still limits to what can be done. I cannot make your brain hear more than it is capable of, and I cannot make your brain handle more than it can handle. What my experiments have been producing is mental exhaustion within 1-3 hours capable of putting me down for 8-12 hours of sleep. This is MUCH more intense than 5G, and you are not going to be able to use it with anything else.

AlphaMind, "old" SOS/HST is still very powerful and effective. The new stuff is so complex that it can take me tens of minutes or even hours or days just thinking before I know how to change one word or one small section of a sentence fragment. This stuff sometimes frustrates even my models, which I have never seen before this. I am not entirely sure how to create a workable skeleton script yet, and without that it's going to be so complex to work with that I just - won't.

I would love to start releasing MPME/MSOS today, but this is nightmare level complexity. I've decided to start off trying to modify MIR first, anyway... and from that, try to extract the skeleton script. Reason being that MIR will allow me to easily "backport" to ASC, but ASC would not do the same for MIR.

When the time comes, I will probably put the ASC based on MPME in the experimental section for Tier 3 beta testing.

(08-07-2014, 01:13 AM)AlphaMind Wrote: I'll be gladly waiting for it . Which reminds me, for now you didn't yet learn all about this technology but BASE will have it.

How does it even works?

*When MPME confirmed in ASC and MIR straight down to upgrade IYPS. All the forum people are roaring like a damn tiger for this shit Lol

(08-08-2014, 03:05 PM)Shannon Wrote:

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(08-08-2014, 01:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: You must have misunderstood something somewhere, because I would never dream of releasing a technology I did not fully understand or have tested and verified. So BASE 5G will not have MPME in it.

Might be I am wrong, but I am sure BASE 5G stated some of the "polymorphic" thing to suite personal attitude of every users. Regardless I am sure it will be a BOOM!

MPME does use polymorphic scripting, but so does SOS. The original SOS is self optimizing because it was the first example of subliminal script polymorphism. Instead of telling you what to do directly, it gives you instructions that result in you achieving the goal after they mix with what your current situation and circumstances are.

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(08-08-2014, 01:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: I think I understand you are asking how the MPME works. It's a really complex set of three different interacting technologies which even individually are unreasonably complex. They act to grab the subconscious mind's attention and focus it in such a way that the effect is to get it working on the goal at maximum speed and power, according to the specifics in the script. It is so powerful that yesterday's experiment (about 3 hours of exposure) knocked me down for sleep for 16 hours.

Beyond that, I can't reveal how it works. But when it's properly configured, it does work.

In short terms (read it somewhere) MPME/Magnus Engine are Slipstream & Self Optimizing Script upgraded and combined Thanks for the explanation.

To some degree this is correct, but it actually is much more complex and advanced than just those two, and advancement of those two. Explaining it fully would turn you into a zombie because it would either bore you to death or fry your brain. :-)

Quote:It is becoming more amazing, now, with this technology we can use the sub only for 3 hours top/day. Amazing! Wonder if~ the present you right now goes back to the past seeing the old you when you've said "4G is the TOP" LOL

After BASE you are making ASC MPME right? *I am waiting VERY eagerly for this release.

You're reading things into what I am saying. I don't yet know how long the best exposure is, but I do know that this will require much different usage times than standard 5G. More experiments are needed to know how to offer the brain relief from exhaustion, or if that is more helpful than harmful to the end goal, and so forth.

After BASE I am building MIR in MPME for further testing. ASC will have to wait a bit. (I have actually started trying to build a prototype of MIR with MPME in it, but this is getting secondary priority to BASE and is really, really challenging to do, so the speed of work is low right now.)

Shannon Wrote: I have an announcement to make.

I have created 5G technology.

Yes, it's awesome, wonderful, incredible, super powerful, unbelievable, yada yada yada. No, you can't have it.

I say that because it's so powerful, etc. at a cost (as nothing is free in this world): it's build complexity is pretty much insane.

Therefore, I have determined that in 2012, only two programs are going to be built in 5G: SSF 5.0 and the rebuild of AYIW. Everything else will be built in 4G or upgraded to 4G.

Basically, 5G is a brilliant breakthrough that was so stunning to me that at first, I didn't believe it, because what it tells me is that we didn't know jack about how powerful the subconscious mind actually is. To give you some idea... 5G is not only scalable in power, but is limited only by the brain/mind/nervous system in how much it can be scaled up in power.

Literally, I have had to figure out what the limits of the nervous system are and limit it to that. As it turns out, the best (most universally effective) build parameters seem to put it at 64x the power of normal subliminals.

Yes, you read that right... sixty-four times more powerful than normal subliminals. And given that 4th Gen stuff is about 14 times more powerful than normal subliminals, that means that Gen 5 is about 4.6 times more powerful than Gen 4 is.

But again... this is insanely difficult and complex to build. And, because of that, not all single stage programs would even be buildable in 5G. So, to keep everything on an even keel, and make sure I don't go insane, only two programs will be built in 5G during 2012. It is likely that only 6+ stage sets will be available in 5G, and I will probably only be building 1-2 per year as such.

By the way, 5G was specifically created to tackle the problem of making two programs (Achieve Your Ideal Weight and Stop Smoking Forever) work as intended for everybody. I am expecting it to be able to overcome virtually any level of resistance, based on my experiments. It is that powerful.

I am building SSF 5.0 in 5G, and I will be eventually rebuilding AYIW in 5G, since I am not happy with the current results. It seems to have stalled out for a number of you. So when I get it built, AYIW 5G will be a free upgrade for those of you who are using AYIW 4G. Anyone who has used Stop Smoking 4.0 properly and failed to quit smoking will get a free upgrade to SSF 5.0 as well.

Another reason 5G will be very limited is that it will be significantly more expensive. The process of creating a program in 5G is so complex and difficult - and the results are so much more powerful - that I think realistically it should be priced at a higher price point than 4G, presuming it does what it's designed to do and the results you guys get match the results I have been seeing in experiments and trials. So I'm going to release the above two programs at 4G prices, and then if they do what they're intended to do, which is crush the hell out of all resistance and get the job done, I'll price them at 5G prices next year.

When and if I start accepting custom orders again, 5G customized (name embedded) 6 stage subliminals are going to start at $2,000 per, and if you want a full custom six stage set done in 5G, it will start at $5,000. That should give you some idea how difficult it is to build, and how powerful it is.

More as I have the information to share. That is all.

Shannon Wrote: Never before have I had to write down the exact specifics of when each step is taken, or how I accomplish each step in the build process of a subliminal. Gen 5 is so awesomely complex to build that now I can no longer rely on simply remembering how to do it reliably and accurately on my own. I have had to write myself an instruction sheet.

Which is a real testament to how much goes into this new technology. I remember with ease how to build 4th Gen, 3rd Gen, 2nd Gen and 1st Gen... but 5th Gen is too much for me.

I am also limited now by the fact that it requires so much precision, so much repetition of certain steps, and so much focus, that I cannot build more than one stage without requiring sleep, and sometimes, I can't even finish that one stage. I find myself needing to take more frequent breaks, or sleep after just 4 hours of work. This thing actually uses up an entire 10+ hours worth of sleep in 4 hours if I don't take frequent breaks.

It amazes me that I managed to design such an incredibly complex build process. It amazes me even more than the end result is still a program that will be so easy to use... although 5th Gen programs will be necessarily slightly more involved for proper usage, because they push the limits of the human nervous system so far that I expect they will require the use of headphones for at least some of the daily usage. I expect an hour a day is a good minimum at this point.

Now that I am starting to get somewhere with the third build of this program, I am feeling like I am finally making progress again. This is going to make for an awesome program.

(01-13-2015, 06:37 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-12-2015, 10:04 PM)KiKi Wrote: Hello everyone. I'm totally new at this. Hoping I posted this in the right place...

I'm curious about Life Tune Up.

I have met one person in 'real' life who has been using the subliminal shop products and the changes I am witnessing are incredible.

I am wanting to use Life Tune Up but am feeling a little wary...

Will I still be 'me' when I follow all the instructions and timelines for usage?

The Emotional Pain Relief freebie (thank you thank you thank you) got me through some serious çaça for the last three months... But, I haven't felt quite like myself. Maybe numb would be a decent descriptor. I went through a lot of trauma. And it is not that I 'love my pain'. It is simply that authenticity and being true to what's alive for me or in me is important. And I am wondering if Life Tune Up will take that away some how.

I guess I'm simply feeling a little afraid and was hoping for some reassurance. I think it is an amazing thing that so many people have put their trust in Shannon and what he can do. It's a beautiful thing.

Thank you for your time.

~ KiKi

We're not here to remove who you are. We are here to advance, refine and improve who you are. The aim, as I stated somewhere around here in a long explanation that you're welcome to search for, is that the programs are designed to help you transform from the base elements of who you are (which I likened to a lump of iron ore and coal) to the full potential you have (which I likened to a fine steel sword).

Because these programs are so powerful and so effective, the results they achieve can be a little scary at first. People are not used to growing and "becoming" so quickly and efficiently in some cases.

The good news is, even if I wanted to, I seriously doubt that I could change who you are with subliminals. I can provide you with the tools to grow into your fuller potential and expression of that potential, but who you are is who you are. I'm just making it easier to let go of the negative and grow into your potentials.

Change can be scary, but when you're ready to grow, nothing is going to stop you - whether you have my programs or not, and whether it scares you or not. Such is the nature of life.

Enjoy the programs. :-)

(02-03-2015, 06:03 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-17-2014, 10:34 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: I'm currently on WM2 right now but I've lately been thinking about what I want to do for when I get around to doing AM again. I'm currently thinking of Spending a entire year on just alpha in order to improve myself, after I'm done with my round of AYP subs. I've noticed that with the original version, AM5, that some people double the days they use it to 64 days per stage. I was wondering if this advisable for AM6 or not? If this is not advisable, I'm thinking of Doing another full run of AM6, take a week break, then use the refresher for about 6 months straight to make sure the results are permanent. I've already gotten about 90% of the program the first time around so I'm thinking the refresher won't put too much stress on me with 2 full run through underneath my belt.


*Edit* Thanks Maniac. Also, Chosen one, I'm actually curious as to why that is as well. Hope Shannon can give some insight on this.

In the instructions, it specifically says to run AM 5/6 at 32 days per stage. There will always be people, a lot of them apparently, who think they know better than I do now to use the program, so some people will choose to ignore the fact that I know the program inside and out and I know what I am talking about and use the program for longer. Those people are not reading or following the directions, and they do not get the intended results. If you want to get the effects that they're after with 64 days per stage, run it twice through at 32 days per stage.

If you choose to do the refresher for the second run, of course, that will be six months straight using that one stage, which is fine, but for some people may become boring. Part of why six stage sets are six stages is to prevent subconscious boredom.

(02-12-2015, 10:10 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's nice to see people using the program so aggressively, yet following the instructions... and getting results. Because they know what they want, they go after it, and they get it. No excuses. Balls to the wall. And they follow the instructions. Did I mention following the instructions? It really helps. Wish more people would do that. :-)

(05-14-2010, 12:30 PM)Shannon Wrote: ... You should use it for at least 4 weeks, and for as long after that as you like. If you use it long enough, it will become permanent programming. "Long enough" seems to differ from person to person, and ranges from 1 to 6 months. Most Type B subs become long term programming in 1 or 2 months of use, from what I have seen.

As for them all working this fast, well... the Type B's all should. Type B is intended to change your thinking only. Other types may work faster (Type A [seduction subs] usually work in between 5 and 45 minutes) and Types C, D and E take longer because they're working with making physical changes or manifesting things.

But yes, everyone should try the self confidence sub. I made it free because it was so awesome for me to use and I thought everyone could benefit from it.

Shannon Wrote:

Quote:Well, for us complete newbies - one would think that the subconcious would, or should, know.

Allow me to explain a bit. The subconscious mind knows exactly what it is doing when it resists, and it knows why it is resisting. It almost always either resists out of fear (about 80% of the resistant population) or simple blind stubbornness to be influenced one way or the other (about 20% of the resistant population).

Getting a resistant subconscious to cooperate requires some very careful efforts in the fear situation, but can be next to impossible in the stubbornness case. I have already done everything that is possible script-wise (that I currently know of) to remedy this.

In this way, the subconscious can be likened to a child, demanding that it get its way. Oddly, the subconscious does exhibit some very advanced and high level adult type responses as well, although usually in different directions. I'm still looking into what all this means.

Quote:Which is why I'm baffled at the various language subliminal products; I would have thought that one should cut it - and that a subliminal for manifesting a thing that you focus on ought to be able to be made.

One could be made to "cut it" for all languages, but there are some good reasons to build them for individual languages, including the fact that the greater specificity makes for better focus and better subconscious penetration, response and results.

Quote:But then again, I'm not familiar with subliminals and have no immediate desire to dwelve into learning about them. I'm still testing out a manifesting subliminal product, and if it works then fantastic; I'll be a happy camper and a repeat customer - and if not, well then ...so be it

Judging the usefulness and effectiveness of subliminals in general based on a Type D subliminal (manifestation) is, as I have said before, neither reasonable nor recommended. Manifestation is one of the areas I have the least control over, and while it works for most people, there are literally hundreds of variables I can neither influence nor control associated with it. There's no way for me to know when the manifestation will take place, either.

In effect you're judging whether subliminals work based on whether or not the LOA works for you in one specific instance, which is neither a very good set of data points, nor a very good test of subliminals themselves. As I said last time I answered this, use a Type B or Type B Hybrid to decide whether subliminals themselves work.

To give you an example, let's say I use a sub to attract my perfect naturally platinum blonde lover (which I did). Let's say I use it for six months, and get no results (which happened). Did the A) subliminal fail? B) LOA fail? Or C) did something else happen?

The correct answer is C. Two months later, I met the responder and started a relationship with her, and it was a very sexual relationship. (Remember, we specified perfect lover with platinum blonde hair.) What had taken place was as follows:

I used the subliminal. It started taking effect 2-3 months in, but to fulfill the specified desires, it had to actually get her to take action to move from Massachusetts to Florida, and move to the city where I live. This took a long time, considering the complexity of her situation.

There are also cases where a particular request simply cannot be fulfilled in a reasonable time, or at all, or sometimes it will be blocked for a specific period of time, etc. The LOA is a complex thing.

Trying to see if a subliminal works by relying on the LOA (secondary result) is about like trying to determine if a pillar is sturdy by looking at the state of the roof of the building it supports.

Shannon Wrote:

Quote:... have you read '' the great little book of affirmations'' I wonder why affirmations work best with the subconscious and afformations with the conscious. And if afformations could work also with the subconscious.

I have not read that. But as to affirmations versus afformations, it's fairly simple.

First let me say I have not yet studied afformations in terms of trying them to see for myself how effective they are; but the concept behind them is fairly easily understood.

The conscious mind is the critical thinking gatekeeper. It constantly analyzes everything and it's job is to reject things that don't make sense, don't work, and are not true.

Again... the job of the conscious mind is to reject things that are not true. Present tense.

The job of the conscious mind is also partly to solve mysteries and answer questions. That's why we have curiosity.

Afformations - questions - assume a truth. Nobody asks "Why are my pants full of mosquitoes" because nobody has pants that are full of mosquitoes. It has become so ingrained in our programming that questions are always based on a truth that it is actually used in debates to mislead audiences a lot. The audience will automatically assume that any question is based on truth, and that puts the other guy on the defensive. So what an afformation does, in theory at least, is bypass the critical faculty of asking "Are my pants full of mosquitoes?" (which is the automatic response to an affirmation like "My pants are full of mosquitoes") and simply assumes the truth of the subject of the question, because otherwise, why would you be asking it?

In doing so, this is bypassing the gatekeeper, and the subconscious is now working on the assumption of truth, and seeking the answer.

Interesting thing about the subconscious: it's literal. So when it encounters a statement that it has accepted, but which is not observable outwardly, it will make the outward reality match the inner reality. In other words, it actually generates the reality it has accepted as being true, if it is not already.

Affirmations take advantage of this same phenomenon. By repetition of either, you will cause the subconscious to accept that XYZ is true. But if it is accepted, and not outwardly manifest, the subconscious will rectify that by adjusting the outer reality to match the inner reality. It does this because it cannot tell the difference between the two, and in fact, the only real difference between them is the speed at which they change.

One gets stopped by the gatekeeper when it fails the "Is this currently true?" test (affirmations), and one confuses the gatekeeper and gets through on assumption of truth (afformations).

The only thing I can see being a potential problem is asking a question and having the phrasing mis-set the intended variable. "Why am I so rich?" might set the value of "Rich" to "my current value", for instance.

Shannon Wrote:

Quote:This concept of removing negativity is very intriguing. I once read a post from you, that the subconscious never forgets, it only changes dominant programming.

Shannon Wrote: On the contrary, the subconscious never forgets anything it is exposed to. Nothing. Ever. Programming may be overridden by later programming, and will become dormant if that happens... (the "fade" effect). But the subconscious is incapable of forgetting. Periodic refreshers just re-assert the desired programming as being the dominant/primary programming. Remember, EVERYTHING you are exposed to is ALWAYS being sorted and piled. The "biggest piles" make up current active programming.

If the subconscious never forgets, that means negativity is never actually removed, it is just stays there being dormant, because it is no longer the primary programming. Until more negativity enters, then it might return as a dominant programming again, correct?

As an example lets pretend that I'm a soldier, came back from a war, and I've seen all the death and brutality that a war could cause, and this experience traumatized me, and I won't be able to forget this negative experience. If I used RNW, what kind of effect it will have on me? Will it make all my traumatizing past experience become ok somehow, because the negative attachment to it is removed?

I can't seem to wrap my mind around this concept of removing negativity, from the way you explained how the subconscious works, it seems impossible to actually remove or destroy it, the only possible option is to replace it with positivity, and make positive thinking the dominant programming.

The subconscious never forgets an experience, it never forgets data input. But polarity can be changed, separately of data. Memory of a negative will be referencing negativity, but the actual negativity can be removed. Concept versus subject. What happens when you heal from a negative experience? True healing from a negative emotional experience is, in part, letting go of the negativity of it. The reference memory to the experience having been negative does not change... but the negativity is replaced with something else. The negativity itself is released.

This is a complex and intricate subject, and explaining it is difficult, but the key is to understand that programming, polarity, and reference to polarity in memory are all separate.

In your soldier analogy, the experience will have caused trauma. The experience itself, the memory, and the trauma, are probably all going to be negative. In the case of successful use of something like RNW, you will have the negativity itself removed and replaced with something else. The negativity is separate from the experience, the memory and the trauma resulting.

This is so because the experience itself is neutral. Always. It is how we react to and interpret it that causes us to choose how it is polarized. We polarize it and then react to our reaction and the polarity we have assigned it! That leads to a cascade effect.

Let's say I am a soldier riding in a vehicle that runs over an IED and my transport is blown up. I suffer extensive shrapnel damage and lose one eye, one ear, one arm and one leg on my right side, and suffer extensive burns all over my body, but I survive.

How would the average person respond to this? It would be a huge change very quickly, which would give them psychological shock. Very little time to adjust to and process a huge change usually results in a state of shock. That shock will be unpleasant, because it is overload, and the unpleasantness will automatically be categorized as negative.

The stress of the situation has been labeled as negative. Now we have the pain. Huge pain. Is that going to be classified as positive? No, more instant and overwhelming unpleasant change, which is also classified as negative.

Next we have me waking up without all these abilities I had before. No right eye... no right ear... no right arm... no right leg. This is another huge sudden change, shock, and difference from what I had before, and it is going to be classified (automatically, based on our societal upbringing) as negative.

Now after a few years, I will have had some time to process all these changes, and if I chose to process them, I can do so in one of three ways. I can see them as a curse, negative, and this will lead to resentment, frustration, depression, more negativity. I can say to myself, "This is simply 'what is' now, and I accept it as what it is and move on with my life.", which is a neutral response. And I can say, "This is an opportunity for me to experience the world in a whole new way, to learn and grow in new ways, and to inspire others and make the world a better place for my having experienced this.", which would be a positive response.

In each case, MY CHOICE of how to respond will dictate what happens to the polarity. If I choose to respond to it in a negative way, my current experience will be negative, and I will begin increasing the negativity within me. If I respond in a neutral way, the experience may be classified as negative, but my reality will neither be enhanced or detracted from by it, and I will not have negativity or positivity as a function of my "now" as a result. If I choose to react in a positive way, the experience itself may have originally been viewed as negative, but it may then be changed to being viewed as a positive thing, and my present experience will begin increasing in positivity as a result.

The same would be true of having seen horrible things in war. The experience can be interpreted as negative, and the recorded memory of that interpretation will always be a reference to negativity, but the polarity is separate, and can be changed.

When someone uses RNW, we are telling the very literal subconscious mind to destroy negativity and replace it with positivity. If it does not resist, it will do so. That is simply a polarity reversal.

In this case, reversing polarity, we are actually referencing a monopole. My mood cannot be positive and negative at the same time, it is one or the other. A simple (non-compound and non-complex) statement cannot be positive and negative at the same time, it is one or the other. You can say "I am happy" and you can say "I am not happy", but you cannot make sense saying "I am not am happy" (an attempt at creating a positive and negative statement in one simple statement).

In essence all we are doing is polarity adjustment. That results in programming adjustment. If you have a negative acting as programming, and you destroy the negativity, the programming automatically becomes either neutral or positive.

"I am not happy." Destroy the negativity, and you have "I am ... happy."

(12-27-2013, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(12-26-2013, 10:47 AM)6isenough Wrote: I know that my results will be the same regardless of which delivery system I use, ultra sonic or masked. So, I have a simple question. Is there a difference between listening for 8 hours while I sleep and listening for 8 hours when I am awake? Does one hold a statistical advantage over the other?

You will get slightly better results if you use it while you sleep, but for all intents and purposes, they're so close to equal that it really doesn't make a difference, as far as I can tell at this point. The subliminal is bypassing the conscious mind, so any impact it has will be in response to the response of the subconscious mind. But since we are programming the subconscious, and bypassing the conscious, and the conscious always loses in any disagreement with the subconscious, it's pretty much a moot point. That's why it's not necessary to use brainwave entrainment to enhance the effects of subliminals that are properly made and used.

(03-21-2015, 08:38 PM)Shannon Wrote: With no disrespect towards those who answer when I am not present, I will endeavor to answer what has not been answered. I usually take the weekends off, but I happen to be at the office at the moment awaiting a lady as she collects the desired components for a signature perfume she wishes my help in creating. While she does this, I have a little time.

Quote:Shannon, I have big expactations of u, I believe you are great at what you do.

As long as expectations don't lead to pedestals, we should be fine.

Quote:I have 4 questions regarding subliminals:
1. is it okay if u listen for 20 minutes of a 30 minute program ? what I mean is if I leave my program playing on loop, most certainly I won't be getting what the whole program produces when I go out of the room. is 20 minutes out of 30 okay ? I mean in these 20 minutes are all affirmations in it, do u build ur programs like this ? do 20 minutes out of 30 contain all the affirmations ?

This has been answered correctly.

Quote:2.I have a premature ejaculation problem, even though I've been training myself a lot. I believe it is just how I am wired - I always finish ast the first time , very fast ( if it's foreplay I don't but after penetration I blow a load). the strange thing is after that I can last for an hour , the third time maybe 2 hah. it is just that urge that comes VERY fast the first time. the Question is : will SEx Magnet cure this ? will it make me last as much as I WANT ? .) EVERY TIME .

I am not a doctor, and therefore, I can make no claims of a "cure". Besides that, SM is not designed or intended to "cure" anything. However, it is designed to have the effect of making a man more in control of himself sexually and more able to achieve orgasm and ejaculation when he chooses to. Howe well it works depends on the individual. We also have a program specifically for that issue.

Quote:3rd:I am not sure whether I would be ready for the AM and SM programs. the reason for this is the language - I' ve been styding it for like 10 years but still there are words I happen to not know. could u just give some words not the script but some words that are most probably not known by non-native speakers ?

This has also been answered well. The subconscious knows a lot more English than the conscious typically has awareness of or access to. Given your command of the language as evidenced here on the forum, I would be hard pressed to believe you would not know all of the English words I use.

Quote:4 : Which programs , specifically , can be used IN mono WITHOUT Affecting their effectiveness ? Say them with their names specifically , thanks in advance

Only if the script is being spoken by a person of one gender only. Those are the exception and not the rule with programs I create. Any program that uses both genders is going to lose something in mono.

(02-26-2015, 02:08 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-24-2015, 05:09 PM)mat422 Wrote: Let's say I'm listening to EPRHA at night and some really heavy stuff is being pulled out. My mind is focusing on releasing it, but then I have to wake up and start my day. Will my subconscious continue releasing on its own? Or should I strive to listen to EPRHA as much as possible to kind of continue where I left off when I woke up?

I think you'll probably do best to get between 12 and 16 hours of exposure per day. I generally consider 12 pretty standard. That gives you 12 on, and 12 off. The cycle allows for your subconscious to integrate and begin expressing the programming, not just taking it in. If you feel like you want to do more, then up to 21 hours a day is acceptable. But, you generally are going to find yourself considerably exhausted over time if you do more than about 16 hours a day.

The subconscious will continue releasing on its own, once the programming sinks in, and depending on what is being processed; some things are very scary, and must have encouragement and gentle prodding to be worked on. Over time, the instructions become your standard way of thinking and that leads to a standard way of responding. But usually it takes 3 to 9 months for that to happen, possibly even longer, again depending on the severity of the traumas being processed. Obviously someone coming back from war is not going to get there as fast as someone who's only dealt with being picked on in school.

(03-11-2015, 02:36 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-11-2015, 12:20 AM)lokko Wrote: If I want the sub to be discreet from family and friends. Can I change the subs name and it wont affect the sub or its AP CODE? Shannon?

Changing the file name won't affect the AP code.

(03-16-2015, 08:02 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(03-14-2015, 03:25 PM)jamboree Wrote: Just thought I would share this podcast because it relates to the subconscious and how your inner self can be projected to someone else on a subconscious level.

http://www.npr.org/programs/invisibilia/382451600/entanglement

Just a theory, but it makes me wonder whether Shannon's voice can project his inner state onto us simply through the sound of his voice, not necessarily through the content of his words but the sounds. If that be the case, it would be important that he be in a very good state when recording his subliminals.

Well, enjoy.

I use text to speech readers, and high quality, expensive voices. Even then, they're not perfect, but the difference between my voice and theirs i effect on the subconscious mind is very little, so the cost to benefit ratio hugely favors doing so.

I would love to be able to get those intonational enhancements, but the scripts are so complex that reading and processing them would take unreasonable amounts of time, and I would need to have voice actors doing so, which would also mean paying more for their production and having people accessing the script.

This keeps the price down, keeps the secrecy of my scripting methods, and makes the spoken words conversationally neutral in emotional content. It also makes the production process much faster.

(03-18-2015, 02:24 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:Shannon, you mention that the subliminal are made to be used at anytime. Can I play music on my PC in win-amp, and the subliminal in another program?

That depends on whether or not your operating system and software have the capacity to do that, it's a function of channel integration. I can't answer that for you. But you can answer it by trying to use both with a masked subliminal. If the masked subliminal plays, then the silent one will too.

Quote:Can I merge my favorite music with adobe audition, with the Maximum learning speed on a separate track? So when I'm away from my computer to listen to my music while listening to the subliminal like while exercising.

Never ever edit or alter the subliminal audio files I create. The ONLY safe thing you can do to alter them, is to decompress them to .WAV or .AIFF format (lossless audio uncompressed format). Merging, saving, encoding, altering, editing... all these are virtually certain to damage and possibly destroy the subliminal audio data. Don't do it.

(12-28-2013, 01:00 PM)Tree Wrote: Can I listen to these three subliminal recordings at once on a loop? Like 7 hours for each? Or could I do a few days with 2 and switch them up? Or could I listen to OSA and DIC for a day and then AoS for a day and then repeat?

(12-29-2013, 04:42 PM)Shannon Wrote: Only 3G titles can be used three at once, and only if all three are Type B.

You can use subliminals while watching TV, but ultrasonic format is best for that.

(08-19-2013, 08:54 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(07-14-2013, 12:52 PM)0240608 Wrote: Hi! I am a new user on here and recently started doing the aura of sexiness subliminal starting yesterday. I did 2 hours of it before I went to sleep and 1 and a half hour of it so far today of the ocean stream track. I have to say that so far I feel AMAZING! Like I'm on cloud nine. I have low self esteem usually but since using the subliminal I feel like I am more confident than usual and feel sexier than usual. Now I did have a dream earlier this morning about something that happened to me that made me feel so unsexy. I wonder why that is. It was something negative. Maybe perhaps because my subconscious mind is starting to accept that I am sexy from the subliminal? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

It's not uncommon for the subconscious to respond to new and different programming by fighting back with the old beliefs. They don't want to die. But it's just a matter of time.

(02-21-2013, 04:15 PM)OrangeStar Wrote: Hi,

I started using AoS about 3 weeks ago. I listen to it about 4-6 hours a day.While studying in my headphones, ocean wave or trickling stream, and while I watch television, I play ocean wave on my speakers, pretty loud playing in another room right next to my TV room where I can still hear it playing in the background. Sometimes I take breaks in between, but nonetheless, I listen to it minimum 4 hours a day.

I just have a question, is it still effective if I am in another room nearby where it is playing and I can hear it well (it is playing pretty loud)?

Anyways, so far I've gotten results. I a lesbian female and I have gotten old friends asking me to hang out, people inviting me out more often, people liking my posts on facebook more, on OkCupid i've gotten even more numerous messages. I have men staring at me/checking me out for a long time in numerous places I go to, as well as girls whom just give me this long eye contact that they have trouble breaking away from

I do consider myself to be attractive, and I already wasn't very shy in the first place, but I use to have this slight approach anxiety, but now I have even less approach anxiety. I even have had 2 girls who wanted to dance and kiss me. So so far, these are definitely results. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I feel even more confident. I feel even better about myself.

(02-22-2013, 06:51 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's easiest to maximize results by using ultrasonic format in the same room while watching movies/playing games/talking on the phone. But RoaringLion is right. Although that brings up an issue that you may be getting only the louder parts of the script, which could cause confusion. I recommend against using it in masked format from another room if you are using anything but trickling stream, and in general it is best to only use masked format within the same room.

Oh, and welcome aboard.

(02-24-2013, 09:29 PM)OrangeStar Wrote: Thanks for the info. in general I listen to it more through my headphones/ in the same room the majority of the time.

I just have 2 other quick questions.
1. if I listen to trickling stream/ocean surf in my headphones, and I watch television at the same time, is that effective as well?

2. The headphones I have are Ipod earphones, although they are not perfect, since I've had them for quite a while. I think they are good because when I listen to surf, I can hear the voices underneath. So my second question is, do the earphones have to be perfect/have a really good sound quality?

Thanks a lot.

(02-25-2013, 12:37 AM)Shannon Wrote: If you are using headphones, you pretty much are going to get the results regardless of what else you're doing or listening to, shy of deafeningly loud noises outside your headphones. Headphones don't have to be perfect, but they do need to be stereo and deliver a frequency response appropriate for the format you are playing through them.

(01-04-2013, 10:35 AM)mysterymagick Wrote:

(01-02-2013, 06:11 PM)Shannon Wrote: I try to make my subs to be as useful as possible, meaning you should be able to use them while doing just about anything. I recommend, though, that if you're going to use them while driving, that you use ultrasonics, because ocean surf and trickling stream may make it easier to trance out while driving.

they mus be heard in stereo? would the speakers of a laptop be considered stereo or would you need headphones? Someone told me the ultrasonic can cause the ears to hurt even if not headphone. he said it is like those high pitched sounds to keep kids away hurt their ears?

you say you cannot use more than one of certain programs, why would it cause overload are there just not suggestions in it?
I am wary of what i lsten to and would appreciate a reply

(01-04-2013, 05:27 PM)Shannon Wrote:

Quote:they mus be heard in stereo? would the speakers of a laptop be considered stereo or would you need headphones?

My subliminals are designed to take full advantage of the stereospatial processing capacity of the brain in order to force certain optimizational responses during processing. That is, I use 3 dimensional audio to force both hemispheres to work in concert to process the input, and do so in such a way that working together, they achieve much greater effect than the sum of the parts would be. Naturally, you need at least two channels (stereo) for that to work.

You can use them on a mono audio source, such as a cell phone, but it reduces the impact and effectiveness.

Laptop speakers should be stereo, and that is valid, but the more perfect the channel separation is per ear, the better; so if you have the option, always choose stereo over mono, and headphones over speakers. The exception is where you are sleeping, or using ultrasonic audio. Then speakers are recommended.

Quote:Someone told me the ultrasonic can cause the ears to hurt even if not headphone. he said it is like those high pitched sounds to keep kids away hurt their ears?

Any audio played loud enough can cause pain or damage. That's partly why I advise against headphones with ultrasonics: you can't tell what the volume is, in case it gets shifted. But ultrasonic subliminals have been in common use for decades.

Quote:you say you cannot use more than one of certain programs, why would it cause overload are there just not suggestions in it?
I am wary of what i lsten to and would appreciate a reply

I believe I explain why in the thread in the FAQ section on what ca and cannot be used together, but I will explain it again.

Type C programs are generating physical change. Physical change requires sustained expression of a large amount of energy to accomplish. Using two or more at a time will probably deplete the energy available for each task, and the result would most likely be that each took at least twice as long to accomplish, or nothing was accomplished because of insufficient energy. Since Type C programs require an order of magnitude more time to work than Type B (Typically on the order of several months and possibly more than a year instead of weeks to months), doubling the time required would not be feasible.

Type D programs are working to manifest something. Manifestation is basically the translation of an idea or desire into physical reality. This requires vast amounts of energy to do, and if that energy is only provided as a trickle, it takes long periods of times. Once again, more than one target goal is going to divide the energy and potentially make nothing result because of it, or make the results take an unreasonably long time to show up. Therefore... no Type D programs can be used together.

And for the same reason, no Type C with Type D.

(02-19-2012, 12:36 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(02-19-2012, 11:40 AM)[email protected] Wrote: Hi Shannon,

Is it necessary to read/know the script before listening to the aosexiness subliminal? Just read the script that is in the product description of AOS..wondering if i need to remember them first before listening.

Thkns,
J

It is not necessary to know the script or read it at all, for any subliminal. They do not work on faith.

(03-10-2015, 06:52 AM)CatMan Wrote: Hello Shannon!

Ben referred me here to make a thread about this issue. I'm a bit concerned about it as I feel it may be holding me back and I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts on this.

A few weeks back, I switched over to ultrasonic usage during the night, instead of using masked during the night like I have throughout the AM6 program previously. However, oddly, I've stopped dreaming! When using the masked at night, I would have these excellent, very relevant to AM6 content, vivid dreams that I felt really helped me grow and change. Now, with ultrasonic at night, I don't get those dreams anymore. It should be noted I've changed nothing in my daytime listening routine, only the night. I switched to stereo speakers on either side of the bed using ultrasonic, instead of stereo speakers playing masked on ONE side of the bed. Frequensee has verified the two stereo speakers indeed work perfectly, so it isn't a speaker issue, to help you nail it down.

Interestingly, I am much more rested using the ultrasonic at night than before when I used the masked. Although, that could be a red herring as maybe the content is less dense in stage 4 and stage 5 than the first 3 stages which seems logical. But it's also possible it's legitimate and worth noting to you.

I'm wondering, is this normal? Do you think in my case, ultrasonic or masked is best at night? Do you ideally need the dreams to advance in the program? I really enjoyed them and they really did have an impact on me!

I'm concerned about this and don't want it to hamper my run as I want to move on to SM3 immediately afterward.

Thank you so much for your time Shannon.

(03-10-2015, 09:37 PM)Shannon Wrote: What you have to understand is that each format is subliminal, but each format appears to be communicating most directly to a different level of your subconscious mind. This seems to be the result of the difference in volume of the subliminal audio between ultrasonics and masked subs. What I believe is happening is that you are suddenly switching input to a different level of your subconscious mind, which processes your input at a different level of sleep. You are still dreaming, but the dreams are not being remembered.

Shannon Wrote:

Tiesto Wrote: Without a doubt it is going to be a masterpiece!

One thing I'm wondering though, with such huge and complex script like these six-stage monsters (AM & SM), how do you prevent spelling mistakes or any other type error in the script? I mean I see you have the scriptorium for single-stage program, but you don't post the script for the big ones like these?

Good question.

Basically, after realizing that there were errors in the scripts that I did not realize were getting into them I started taking several measures to prevent it from happening anymore, with single stage or multi-stage programs. Spell check is a pretty obvious one.

But on these programs, I go through line by line after I believe the script is ready to build, and I read each statement by itself. Since this is editing, and editing takes a lot of mental energy or else errors get through, I do it a little at a time so I am never too tired while I do it. You saw me do this with the translation of SM for gay men. I did it for the straight version, too. It is boring and tedious as all get-out, I assure you... but I do it for every one.

And I do it more than once. Ugh.

I also seem to have developed a sort of sense as to when things in the script are not exactly right. If it's not right, perfect, fully optimized, worded the best possible way, or anything is less than perfect, this sense gets agitated and I can't let it go out. Even if I am sick to death of working on the darned thing... even if I never want to look at it again... I can't let it go until whatever is wrong is fixed. And usually over the course of three days, the sense will get stronger until I have a dream telling me what is wrong and how to fix it. It's always minor stuff, but that doesn't matter. With programs like these, where all eyes are on my work, I can't allow it to be released until it's as close to perfect as I can make it.

It would be much easier for me to just post the multi-stage scripts and have you guys comb through them... but then I would have everyone and their grandmother learning all my hard won secrets. So, in order to keep my secrets and maintain my quality, I have to do the extra work.

There are other quality control checks that these programs go through before being released as well. Every one goes through at least seven QC checks while it is being built; then they are checked to make sure the final compilation process did not introduce any errors; then they are packaged and compressed, and then I verify the zip archives by decompressing them, at which time I verify that the names of the files all match, are consistent and all fully describe what they should and contain no spelling errors; and finally, they are sent to the production servers.

Since discovering that there were errors in the programs, I have tightened QC a lot, and there are a lot more QC checks, too. I don't presume anything anymore. In fact about 15-25% of the total build time is spent doing QC now.

That's how.

Shannon Wrote:

Tiesto pid20678 Wrote:Shannon, based on your vast experience, do you think it is true that "Gratitude" has an effect on Law of Attraction?

For example if we combine any of the attraction sub with the 'Deep Gratitude and Appreciation' sub, will the manifestation appear sooner?

I believe that gratitude has an effect not on the law of attraction itself, but on allowing it to function. It can be much like opening the door and holding it open.

The answer to your other question is not something I can say definitively because there are a lot of variables that are affecting the results - literally dozens or even hundreds of them. But I can say that it should increase result speed at least somewhat, in most cases.

The limits of speed are often concerning variables that are out of the hands of the subliminal user, though.

Shannon Wrote: The caution is against making yourself too content with "what is" to be motivated to accomplish what you want to change. It is not a universal response, but I am cautioning you against it as a possibility. Gratitude comes from a type of contentment, and contentment usually reduces motivation in the direction of the contentment.

Shannon Wrote:

HMoody Wrote: Shannon,

I was reading K-Trains Journal and when you were talking about PSE, there was a line in there where you mention that it would be ok to run ultrasonics on headphones at 50% volume. This is different from the recommendation in the instructions pdf which states that it should never be more than 25% volume when using headphones/earbuds. Since I play it on my iPod which has a volume lock, Very little chance the volume would get turned up accidentally. In this case would playing it at 50% volume be safe and if so, then would it yield greater effect?

Thanks,
HMoody

I tend to start off conservatively and adjust as I learn more. As far as I can tell, ultrasonics are about 10-20% louder than the masked subs. At 50% volume, this should produce a 60-70% volume effect, of which 70% is a bit louder than advisable, so I'll revise that and say that you should not use them at a higher volume than 40% on headphones.

But yes, louder produces more obvious results.

(01-01-2014, 10:17 PM)Shannon Wrote: Getting more vivid and sometimes unusual dreams is a normal response to subliminals that are made properly, and is one piece of evidence that they are in fact having an effect. It's primarily that as you sleep, you are processing the instructions they're giving you.

Shannon Wrote:

About Wrote:

Shannon Wrote:

About Wrote: Interesting you say that about the emotional issue. I have a body worker that I both work with and see for acupuncture and he says that I have emotional stuff/blockages going on too.

I don't understand what is blocked but it seems like if someone who can only read what I post here can sense that, there might be something going on. Thanks for the reply.

:-)

I'm not "sensing" a blockage or anything else. I'm going on my understanding of psychology on this one, and issues I have seen produce that effect and result in the past. I'm not saying those are the cause, I am suggesting them as things to consider.

Silly me. I thought you were a shaman of some sorts. :-p

Oh, don't get me wrong, I am aware beyond the five physical senses, but that requires that I have enough energy to do it. Being genuinely aware that way also means that I am not magically able to sense on command, or anything I want. It's a journey to mastering those senses. And while I am capable of sensing at any distance under the right circumstances, those circumstances are unusual for the conditions I find in this work.

So, since I usually don't have the right conditions, I rely on other sources of knowledge or awareness for the most part.

There are those who consider me to be a shaman. Depending on the definition, I suppose I am one. But my abilities work best in person, not sight unseen at a distance, and even then I am not unlimited in my ability to sense and understand what I sense. Some of the extrasensory abilities are very challenging to understand and interpret.

The reason I use the skills I do, when one option is not available, is because they all produce good, accurate results when used properly. I am usually pretty accurate, whether regarding extrasensory perception or the use of my understanding of logic and psychology, which is what allows me to switch off as I do from one to the other whenever I am unable to use one or the other. Usually, though, I rely on my logic and knowledge of psychology more than I rely on second senses.

Interestingly, though, when I went through chemotherapy, all my psychic senses shut down completely, and it was as if I was suddenly blind... I was so lost. So I suppose I use them a lot without realizing it. But again, genuine extrasensory ability is rarely available on demand, and doesn't always even make sense enough to be understood. Sometimes I get visual images that are symbolic, but impossible to express, or even for me to interpret on occasion. Usually, at a distance, I sense empathically, which is much easier to interpret, but much less likely to happen without certain emotional vulnerabilities and expressions from the person I am sensing. Some people just don't have the right emotional expressions for me to easily connect to, and a few can hide from my senses.

I'm just making sure you understand what I'm doing, because it can lead to presumptions and expectations that aren't founded on fact, and that can lead to misunderstandings that cause trouble later on.

Shannon Wrote:

Spiral Wrote: BTW Shannon what do you know about levitation and exploding things with your mind? I think this is something I want to take up. No joke

Nothing that would allow me to make such a program. :-)

Levitation is best achieved, without technological or scientific assistance, by mastering the art of bridging the physical and astral planes and existing in both fully consciously and subconsciously, simultaneously, in such a way that your subconscious mind can meld them such that your physical body responds the same as your astral body, while your conscious mind remains able to direct the situation. You are literally partially de-materializing the physical world in order to blend the laws of the Astral plane with the laws of the physical plane, and making the astral rules supercede the others in regards to your specific desires.

This is a skill that is extremely difficult to achieve, never mind master. Most people who have achieved it, no longer need it by the time they do, because they no longer need to incarnate physically. I have never even heard of someone mastering it until long after they have outgrown the Earth school. Only those those Masters who return for the purpose of guiding others and helping to balance things will be able to do things like this. They are extremely rare on Earth. As far as I know, at any given time, there are usually between 0 and 2 on the planet.

How I know all this, I cannot explain. Take it for what you will.

(03-15-2015, 02:34 AM)sub_curious Wrote:

(03-13-2015, 09:38 AM)AlphaRomeo Wrote:

(03-12-2015, 09:35 PM)sub_curious Wrote:

(03-12-2015, 10:06 AM)AlphaRomeo Wrote:

(03-12-2015, 02:25 AM)sub_curious Wrote: Hi Sub users!!

I am interested in using the AM6 subs, but I have one major concern. I am currently reading Brian Tracy's book Maximum Achievement, and in that book he warns against using subliminal messages, because you simply do not know what is the message, and that many sold subliminals are found to contain no message at all, i.e. a scam. I find this to be a valid point. While I have no doubt that AM6 does contain messages, how do I know there are no bad messages in there? For example, the publisher can include messages like "You need to keep buying stuff from us if you want to be happy" and we won't even know we are getting such messages straight into our subconscious.

I apologise in advance if anyone is offended, especially Shannon. I have no intention to offend anyone or make any suggestions. I myself am very interested in using these subs as there are so many great transformation stories in the journals. However I do find this concern to be valid. What I am hoping for is someone can enlighten me on how I can know for sure that this sub is safe to use. I know Shannon does not publish the script of AM6 because they contain trade secrets. Anyway we cannot hear the messages, so we wouldn't know for sure whether the messages published are what we are really hearing. So is there any guarantee for the safety of this product? For e.g. it has been thoroughly vetted by some government agency? This is my mind I'm talking about, stuff like this is life changing, I do not want to take any unnecessary gambles.

If this has been covered in a thread somewhere before, then I apologise. Thank you and I really hope there is a good answer for this that will set my mind at ease so that I can use the sub.

Cheers!

I can see how it can be difficult to trust anyone you don´t know these days. So what I suggest is that you do some research on your own, follow this forum and Shannon for some time in order to gain greater trust, and develop your intuition. You can have all the "official words" in the world but you can NEVER know 100% for sure until you try...so in the end of the day you just have to make a decision at some point. It goes with everything in life; we can NEVER have 100% certainty about anything we "should" or "should not" do. People who get ahead in life ACTS on the roughly "70% certainty" information on any given situation,takes the risk and trusts the process. Fancy that girl/guy you saw at the coffeeshop? Should you go to talk to her/him? Want a new job? Should you start a business? Go to university? What will happen? Do you see what I mean? No 100% guarantees on any outcome,in any situation. People who keeps analyzing everything till death and never acts, or wants 100% certainty, never gets anywhere.

Having said that, I would listen to my own gut feeling over ANY "official word" any given day. Just because something is "official" does not mean its right or correct or trustworthy by any means. People put way too much weight on "official" these days. How about laws, they are "official". Are they always right? Politicians? They have been usually "officially" selected...do you trust them?
The LAST thing we need is more regulations. We should have LESS of them! Thank God (or Allah or whatever) there is no regulations for subliminal companies. Hopefully there never will be. That would only slow down Shannon´s great work. Like said, develop your intuition dude. Listen you gut feeling...gather 70% of certainty and ACT on it.

Thank you for all the input, people.

So there's no regulation at all? This is worrying to me. Basically this means that he can put whatever message he wants and instruct our subconscious to do whatever he wants, to fulfil whatever agenda, and nobody can catch him. And let's include other subliminal creators in the discussion too, not just Shannon. You don't know them, you don't know what agendas they have. They certainly wouldn't tell you any agenda they don't want you to know. They can be affiliated with political parties, with political agenda. They can have monetary agenda, aiming to suck more money out of you. Those are just the top of my head, there are so many possibilities. And the thing is, they cannot go to jail for it. We cannot hear the messages, there is no proof. They can get away with putting absolutely anything in the subs; they are not accountable to any law.

So at the end of the day, we have to trust them to use the subs, trust that they don't have any malicious intentions. We have to take a leap of faith. Read the forums, get a feel of the intentions of the scripter based on the behavior that he chooses to show (if we meet him) and the words he chooses to write, and use gut feeling to make the decision. To me, this is too shaky. Why can't we remove trust out of the picture? I don't have to know the scripter. I just have to know for sure that the messages that I am getting are the messages intended to produce the effects that are advertised for the product, and no other message for any other intention. One way I can think of is regulation, but I agree it is spotty. If a good way is found, then I don't have to trust the scripter's intentions, I just have to trust in the effectiveness of his product, that his script and technologies work.

Let's not too quickly dismiss this and say there can be no good way to do this, before even thinking about it; you need to put in trust, just like you need to put in trust and take risks in all other areas of life, without taking risks you cannot get anything out of life blah blah. This kind of suggestion is not improving the situation. There are many people who are not using subs because of this issue. Or are subs mainly aimed for those who want to change themselves so much they'd take the risk, and those who don't realise the risk? I hope not. Shannon, I don't think this is a new issue to you. What are your thoughts?

If there is a "better" way that would be great. Any suggestions? I know I will post here, if I come up with suggestion. However, in my opinion regulation would be the last thing we need for the reasons I have already mentioned. Also, what on earth makes you THINK that you can trust any regulations? Because the regulators are "men in suits"? Do you trust any "authority" just because he/she/they/it is "official"? You think regulators can not have agenda and be associated with political parties? "Regulating" (read: editing and inserting their own messages into) subliminals would be damn near perfect way to spread political agenda if done effectively. Anyway, while waiting for better solution I wish you a great day and hopefully you will find what you are looking for, that critical thing or piece of information that helps you to make the right decision for you.

Hey Alpha Romeo,

I guess we will need two things: 1. Laws that render putting other messages other than those for advertised effects punishable (jail, fine etc) and 2. a credible, independent censoring body whose only agenda is to protect the users.

I realise all these are difficult to realise. Passing new laws in a country such as the US is very slow because each state has its own laws. The censoring agency will also be difficult to set up. As you said, leaving the censoring to the government might not be entirely good, because the government definitely has its own agendas too. But if subliminal creators are really serious about helping more people and putting their subs in the ears of more people, there should be a concerted effort by them.

Thanks for the well wishes, I wish you well for your journey too. I hope for you that there are no 'other' messages in your subs. I am going to create my own affirmation tapes, something Brian Tracy recommends. I am not going to touch subliminals until those two things are in place. To illustrate, I'm not one of those people who are willing to take a 'new' medicine not approved by the FDA.

(03-16-2015, 07:44 PM)Shannon Wrote: I unfortunately cannot respond to everything you've said, but I can say this. If what we have done here to show you that our products are the best, and safe, effective and useful, then you have to follow your choices and do what is right for you.

The reasons why what you propose for laws and regulations and such are bad ideas could fill a book I don't have time to write.

I respect Brian Tracy, and I enjoy his products. I agree with him, that you really cannot know what you're getting from subliminals producers because you cannot always read the script. But, consider this. If I were to release the script for AM6, not a one of you would read it all the way through unless you were going to turn around and profit from it by competing with me. It's almost a hundred pages long, and it's mind numbingly boring.

Those sufficiently motivated and interested by potential for profit could then (try to) recompile it as a competing product, and they could also (try to) reverse engineer my secrets. They would likely discover in days or weeks what took me years and decades to learn from research and development and experimentation, and then would compete with me using that knowledge, all the while with nobody being sure they really understood it all or even used it properly. Then you have the same thing you have now, except I'm making less money to fund my current research and development, and it either slows down or stops.

On the other hand, the consumer deserves to know what they're putting in their mind. I agree. Thus, we have an impasse. You can't read the script, and I guarantee you don't want to and would not if I put it in front of you. But let's say you signed a non-disclosure agreement, and I let you come to my office and read the script of AM6. It would take you days to read it, and you would beg me for mercy before you finished. Then, you would know my scripting methods, and even though you signed an NDA, what's to stop you from taking your knowledge to someone who competes with me, who can extract said knowledge using hypnosis or some similar method? NDA or not, once that information is out, there is nothing that's going to stop it.

But again, let;s say you signed this fictitous NDA and I then had you read the whole script of AM6. Let us further presume you actually finished it without having your brain or your eyes melt, and you remained awake. Do you comprehend what you read? Very unlikely. And even more unlikely that you are qualified to know whether the script is safe or not. In fact I'd put the odds at close to zero for the latter.

Now, we've spent three days with you reading AM6's master key script, and you somehow manage to survive the boredom, brain melt and eye melt and stay awake. Now you get to watch me build a fresh copy from scratch to know that it's really safe, and this process requires not two or three days, but seven or more. So now we have about 10 days of me not working, so that you can read a script you won't read or understand, and watch me build a copy that you would not understand what I was doing well enough to follow whether or not I had built it properly. Ten days of you being bored and me not working, so you can now claim falsely that you know for sure that you got a safe and un-subverted copy. Falsely, I say, because nobody in their right mind could watch me do this job and not get so bored in a couple of hours at most (forget ten days) that they stopped paying attention. Just not going to happen. Even if you did have the training, motivation and patience to read and properly analyze the script

And that would be just for you to get one "certified" copy in your hands of one program. Now, you and I can "certify" that it's built properly, and scripted properly, but...

If you trusted me in the first place, you would not have needed that ten days of reading script and building a program for you to watch me so you knew for sure it was scripted and built properly (again, presuming you were trained to do so effectively in the first place). So we must discount my certification, because you have demonstrated that it is invalid, which leaves your certification. Now we have you having what experience and education in the field? What history? What reason for anyone to believe something you say? Which leads to nobody believing your certification. So now, you have a copy you trust, but nobody else does, and I have had to train you to understand how to read a subliminal script and know how to know if it is safe or not; I have had to wait for you to read through the script and explain the answers to your questions; and you have had to wait for me to build this one copy. Training you to be able to read that script and know if it was safe, by the way, would take at least a week, in all likelihood. So now we're at a minimum of 17 days, with me not doing research and development or working so you can have a copy that you trust, but nobody trusts you to be honest, so now I have to do the whole thing all over again for every copy and every customer.

Now I have trained someone to compete with me. Oh, and good luck expecting that NDA to save me if someone talks.

As you can see, this is not a reasonable situation. So again, we have done what we can to make the results of the programming transparent since we cannot reasonably show you what's in them. The forum, and free examples of full version programs so you can see what others have experienced, and see what happens for yourself.

If our best efforts have not allayed your fears then you must do what is right for you. Not everyone is going to use subliminals. We get that. But if you think that creating your own audio tapes of affirmations is a better choice, I have something for you to consider.

First, do you know how to script them safely? If you think so, what makes you say that? Is it based on extensive research into how the subconscious mind differs from the conscious, and how it differs in comprehension, communication, response, capability? Have you found all the little gotchas that can cause a script to backfire? If not, do you know how to negate the risk and when to use the program you created to do so?

I got started creating my own programs by doing exactly what you're talking about. I learned the hard way that conversational speech is not a good idea when you're making affirmations, unless you understand when it is safe to use conversational speech and why.

Be careful out there. If you trust Brian Tracey, then by all means, use his programs. He's a good man. But as an expert in this field, I would not recommend anyone use a self made program unless they were trained in how the subconscious mind thinks and acts differently than the conscious mind, and how subliminal scripting has to differ from conversational speech, hypnosis scripting, NLP, etc.

Best wishes to you. I hope you find what is right for you.

Shannon Wrote: The whole thing I am trying to say is that those people who are the target audience are not going to be easily persuaded to exercise at all, never mind "harder" or more or more intensely. Most people who are overweight are overweight because they either are lazy, are unable to be more active (pain), because they are hedonists or because they are either resisting someone/something or are stuck in a mindset that results in their being overweight.

The personality that finds itself in these situations is either going to be very low energy or inactive and hard to motivate... or motivate for any steady period of time... or they are going to have emotional responses and resistances that hold them at a weight regardless of activity. Sometimes both.

The subliminal can counter some of this. I can change people's beliefs and that will change their responses. But, in some cases, it is the personality itself which leads to the issues. Can I change the personality itself? That seems unlikely to me. For instance, one of my testers has failed because he can't stay on course to save his life. His personality needs constant change and stimulation, so he constantly is out socializing in order to keep himself entertained. And, he also wants to follow, not lead... so whatever the group is doing, he is doing. This man lost 22 pounds, and gained back at least 9, because he eventually got bored with not "following the leader" and socializing in his preferred style. He happened to choose a crowd to hang out with who had extremely unhealthy eating habits, and he was eating huge portion sizes and terrible food choices for months simply because that's what everyone else was doing.

I can change some of that. But the constantly changing direction, constantly shifting from one thing to another, constantly searching for new and interesting stimulus, that's just part of what and who he is. His ex girlfriend is similar in that she is always trying to be what everyone around her is... never her own person, and she is always shifting and changing for that reason. She doesn't really have a solid self identity... and those traits will probably make it very difficult for me to affect either of them in the long run with subliminals.

So far the target market has been the hardcore cases, and I am realizing that some of them, I can't help. Some of them simply need to grow up and start taking personal responsibility for their actions and their circumstances. Some of them are so afraid that I'm not sure I can help. Some of them are so resistant that I'm not sure I can help. And while 5G/HST looks very promising so far... what if each one of these personality types needs a unique frequency?

So... we shall see. I have decided that I am going to give each person who has been using the last version of AYIW a free copy of 5G/HST for testing purposes. If the models are right in what they're forecasting, I'm going to end up release it formally at $500 a copy and it will do very well and be very successful. But I want to see for myself what happens first. It may just be that I have to aim it at a different target audience, since I know it works.

Shannon Wrote:

mat422 Wrote: Shannon I'm just looking for maybe a little support to something that's been on my mind. I'm only 21 years old, I'd be a fool to say I know about the world. Although I feel my awareness as a person might be a little higher than the average individual. I feel very much like a scientist, taking other's hypothesis about the world and exploring it without bias to see what holds truth and what doesn't.

That being said I believe there is objective truth, not everything is as subjective as we would like to believe. Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm seeing the truth or if it's my own beliefs affecting my perception of it. I don't want to be delusional and ignore reality, but at the same time I've seen the nature of some people and I guess it upsets me. I don't really know how to put it. Just I feel like I see things deeper than the average person and while it lends me a great deal of knowledge about the behavior of people, I can't help but feel it's a cold reality.

I can't tell if it's me and my perspective, and that's the reason I feel a bit alone. Or if it's the outside and I'm just able to see it for what it is.

My perspective is that humanity in general dissapoints me on a regular basis.

I see Earth as a school of sorts, where different groups come to learn through experiencing things. Some of these groups are "younger" than others. They will be learning more basic lessons than others will, such as the difference between "me" and "not me", and that "not me" also has feelings, value, and needs to make a living. These are the people who do things like break into people's homes and steal from them just because they would rather steal than work for what they get. Or, say, hack a server and then put the stuff they steal up on pirate websites.

It's hard to remember that people who do things like that are just expressing their immaturity and ignorance by doing those things. I used to think they deserved pity, but I am beginning to think pity is wasted on them, because they're not intelligent enough to understand pity. But they do those things because they are too young mentally to understand that just because they can, doesn't mean they should. That others have value just as they do. That the work of another also has value, even though they didn't have to do it. They don't understand that by doing things like that, they are only hurting themselves along with the person they steal from, primarily because they don't see the connection and therefore don't think they are hurting themselves with such sad, ignorant actions.

The majority of the human race, Mat, is made up of people who represent those too "young" to understand these things, which is why you see all these problems. They operate from the point of view that "I have feelings and value that matters, and everything not me does not." Very childish point of view, but when you are just getting started in the world, that's how you think. People who have grown to some degree of maturity don't do things like steal, hack into servers and then pirate what they steal, cheat, etc. because they understand that others have value too, and that doing those things hurts themselves both directly and indirectly. They have maturity. They act and think like adults.

I am veiling my statements a little bit to comply with Rule #4 here, but I think you get the drift.

And while the majority are not very wise or understanding yet, there are people who do understand, who will do the right thing when faced with the choice. It can be hard to feel like there is hope for humanity, I know. Believe me, I know. But there is. Just remember that for every person you meet, there's someone out there who is a positive example of what they could have been.

Those of us who have the maturity to understand what common sense and common decency are are not the majority, sadly, but we are here to help the rest learn it. And sometimes, that means that we have to deal with them. Someone taught you to be a good person. Pay it forward. Teach ten, or a hundred, or a thousand people to be good people also, and you make a difference in the world. I know it's not easy, but if not me, then who? If not you, then who?

Be the change you want to see in the world around you. Lead by example, even if those who you are trying to lead have their eyes closed most of the time.

Hope that helps, Mat. It's not easy, but worthwhile things usually are not.

Shannon Wrote:

Patti Wrote: I’m so torn between gratitude and guilt about you having to rebuild this smoking program. I know it‘s taking up so much of your time and I don‘t see many people who are struggling as I am after using the other versions. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate all your work on my account and the other resistant quitters if they are out there.

I have a question. I’ve gotten violently sick 3 times in the last 2 weeks and I was wondering if there’s any statements that you think may be making me react to the program in this way? I’m sure there’s no negative statements, but could it be probable that this could be a resistance reaction from my sub-conscious? Could my resistance be that strong? I figured I ask you first before seeking out options from my doctor.

Patti, do you hear me complaining that I have to do this for you? No. You know why? Because it needs to be done. If you can resist it, someone else can too. This isn't something I blame you for. You're just showing me that it still needs work. Sometimes I get frustrated... but as a well known genius from the 1800's once said... success is 99% perspiration, and 1% inspiration. He didn't get to be well known by giving up when he hit a wall. Success doesn't happen by accident. It's the result of a stubborn refusal to fail. So here I am, stubbornly refusing to fail. My goal is to make this program eventually work for every person who uses it according to the directions. I don't know if that's actually possible, but I think it's a worthwhile goal, and you're helping me test and refine the program.

Yes it's frustrating. Yes, it is a lot of work. But to make the program do what it needs to be doing, this has to be done and dealt with. That's just a fact. If you want to feel guilty, make that part of you that is resisting feel guilty, because so far it obviously does not. lol Otherwise, it's a useless negative response. I despise guilt, even as a useful way to deal with things, because it's negative. But it's that 5% (1%?) like you who really need this from me. And, from a purely practical business standpoint, you guys are a niche market who will be otherwise untapped. So everybody wins if I succeed. Although it's not the business aspect that really has me motivated to crush this.

As for you getting violently sick... it is possible that it could be a response to the program, but just telling me you got sick doesn't give me enough information. Under what circumstances did you get sick? What were you doing when you got sick? What exactly happened when you got "violently sick"? How long did it last? What was the timing between the experiences?

If the program is triggering this response, it will be either resistance, or a reaction to cigarettes. If it is a resistance reaction, you will have the sickness whenever the resistance gets strong enough, which could technically be just about any time... but would probably be right around when you're lighting up, or during a cigarette. If it's a reaction to cigarettes, then it would always be while you're smoking a cigarette, smelling cigarette smoke, or otherwise experiencing a cigarette - but most probably while you're smoking them, at least to begin with.

You see, it's unnatural for the body to inhale smoke, which is why it makes people cough to do so. Your body is trying to get rid of it, and trying to clear the smoke out of your lungs. And nicotine is poison, which is why most people have a violent coughing fit the first few times they try to smoke. It's your body saying, "Hey, you're feeding me poison, stop!"

But once you get addicted, the body surrenders. If you're actually having this sickness response from the program, it will most likely be as a response to having your body begin to remember that cigarette smoke is poison. Vomiting, if that's what you're experiencing, is of course an effort by your body to express poisons from your system and keep you safe... once you have gotten used to the cigarette smoke, you probably won't cough (until you start getting sick with smoker's cough), so your body may resort to whatever it can (vomiting) do in desperation.

If this is associated with the program, Patti, I would say it's a very, very good thing. It means that the program is getting through and making the changes in spite of the resistance. But I can't know if it is or not based on what you've told me.

I know that breaking this habit is going to be a challenge for you. I know that even though I am going to make a program that can do it, you will have to deal with some unpleasantness to get to the other side, because this has such a strong hold on some part of you. That's why I made you promise me to use the program I am making you without fail through all six stages. It will work, but first we have to kill the resistance, and that resistance is going to go down fighting to the death. It might try to make things extremely unpleasant for you on the way down, and it might refuse to give up in the face of your body having begun returning to a healthy state that is no longer compatible with smoking cigarettes comfortably.

One way or the other, you can do this. All it takes is a stubborn refusal to fail.

I'd say that what's happening is most likely that the program has begun successfully returning your body to the status of "non-smoker" but you continue to force it to deal with cigarette smoke, which is poisonous. Of course it's gonna get sick. That's it's job: purge poisons, and keep you alive!

Perhaps you should try to intentionally stop smoking and see if the sickness stops?

Shannon Wrote:

Patti Wrote: That all sounds great for you guys and I was wondering if sometime around 2014 when you have a minute haha, it would be possible to use some of what ever is killing the social anxiety in this program, to incorporate in an upgrade for the actual social anxiety program for any gender? Anxiety is such a major restriction for me anymore that it seems to be making me a recluse the older that I get. I used to be such a people person and now I’d rather stay home and read a good book. Not that that is a bad thing but it’s getting worse and worse and I’d like to nip it in the bud, so to speak if possible.

Good for you staying away from other’s wives, fiancé’s and girlfriends! You don’t need that drama in your life just for sex.

That's a very good idea, Patti. I'm sure if things weren't so hectic around here I'd have made that connection myself.

Honestly, I don't remember the script of the SM 2.0 program - 32 pages of it - well enough to remember what might have triggered that response. But one consideration is that I used the program for six months, whereas most people don't use a single stage program for six months. I take it you have tried Overcome Social Anxiety? I'm definitely going to do a six stage set for this when I get a chance though.

And thank you. Drama aside, I don't want just sex... I want a worthwhile woman I can trust who is worth being faithful to, whom I know will be faithful to me. I want a relationship with her that includes sex as part of an overall loving intimacy. I used SM 2.0 primarily because I needed to have the experience in order to be able to be the authority on it that I need to be to answer questions, etc. Really, I have been not wanting to use it the entire time; but if I don't follow my own rules (Stay the course when you start a program!), who else will?

One thing using it has done is show me how I want to change it so that it will improve a man, instead of making him willing to have sex with anyone who offers. Not every man has my willpower or moral structure, and I can assure you that there was sometimes extreme temptation when women offered me sex. There were nights I went home wanting to cry with the frustration of it. Stunningly beautiful women literally breaking the ice for me, walking over and introducing themselves to me, and spending hours sitting at the bar giving me very "come F me" signal a woman can give shy of literally dragging me into the bathroom... on more than one occasion, I had gorgeous married women sitting at the bar talking to me with their husbands behind them (talking to someone else), who were wearing skirts, and having their legs open with the goods on full (and obviously intentional) display. No panties, shaved, and very obviously lubed up, warmed up and ready to go. Let me tell you, it's REALLY hard to get up and walk away from that. Twice! Now this normally would turn me off for the "being easy for everyone" factor, but I could tell that these women were not normally the type to do this sort of thing... and a friend of mine who has known them for years also tells me they never do that, except to their husbands. Aside from offering sex to me, those two women are both loyal, faithful wives.

But I am experienced enough to know that sex with a taken woman is very self destructive, and of course damages her and her significant other as well. It would not just be damaging, it would kill my self respect, which would kill my self esteem, which would make me lose myself.

I just hope AM kicks in fast enough to kill that increased openness to sex with taken women quickly. Two of the important keys to AM are doing the right thing, and maintaining/increasing self respect. While a lot of guys don't have trouble with sleeping with a taken woman, I feel as though SM 2.0 has made me much more willing than I used to be to do that, and that does not sit well with me morally. That's why SM 3.0 will specify single women only. I don't want to encourage the destruction of other people's relationships.

Shannon Wrote:

Benjamin Wrote: Hey Shannon, who did you do the course with?

It's hard to find good hypnotists as there is dodgy ones around. Major Mark Cunningham is one of the best ones.. i've done sessions with one of his students and it really motivated me for my business.

-Ben

It's a correspondence course. Self paced study, read a lot of books, take a lot of exams, etc. That sort of thing. I am planning to do hypnotherapy training next, as I can afford it, but that may have to wait for next year. There's an institute in Orlando I am thinking I could attend, although that is still 2 hours each direction. But that's not any different from when I was attending college...

What I'd really like to do is study with Dick Sutphen and Richard Bandler. In time, I suppose. I've been studying hypnosis since I was sixteen, since my grandmother was a hypnotherapist, but I never really did it. Just read about it. Part of why I got into subliminals was because I wasn't comfortable with my ability to think on my feet in live hypnosis sessions. But that will be changing big time shortly, and of course I can always make recordings. Before I start building XL-17 stuff, which will include hypnosis, I wanted to know I had certification.

Knowing me, once I have enough practice actually doing it, I'll become very skilled at it, and eventually start finding new ways to do it better and better. That seems to be my modus operandi.

For the time being though, practicing on people is difficult. The only willing subjects I have tend to be dealing with 2-3 kids and several neurotic pets at once, with two or three TVs going and a few cell phones to boot.

But the real reason I decided to get certified was that it's time for me to get serious about hypnosis, because I need to start using it to make XL-17 stuff.

Shannon Wrote:

Spiral Wrote: so what does XL-17 stand for?

XL-17 stands for Xtremely Loud-17 decibels more than your ears can withstand.

Just kidding. It actually stands for "Excellence", referring to it being the best and most powerful programming I can possibly create, and the 17 was put there because XL-7 is trademarked, and 17 is my favorite number. It very much represents "me". So in effect, XL-17 stands for "The best possible work Shannon can create".

Of course I am a lot more experienced with subliminals and BWE than hypnosis, but then, XL-17 won't be on the horizon until I have a lot more training and certification.

(02-11-2015, 08:10 AM)CatMan Wrote:

(02-06-2015, 02:33 PM)Ricardo Wrote: You shouldn't need to do those things, the sub takes care of them. From what I've gathered you need to be very accurate and careful what you put in your mind (subconscious). Personally my faith is in Shannon's creativity, not faddy unproven and throwaway statements conflicting with the subliminals.

I echo a lot of your sentiments. With respect, I feel the whole thing is nonsense. If it actually works (which I doubt), then you're cheating yourself out of the chance to experience and deal with negative things so they don't affect you anymore. Running from the negative stuff and never dealing with it properly as the subliminal is trying to get you to do...won't get you to where you need to be. You're getting in the way of the entire point of the subliminal, to bring up unpleasant stuff, and make you realise it won't kill you after all and put it to rest and not have it OWN you anymore. It's like the subliminal is a Lamborghini you're driving, but this stuff keeps you in neutral.

Shannon himself even speaks of how the "useful negative" is needed to manifest change. I knew that fact already in life, but didn't phrase it that way. But when I saw him speak of it, instantly I knew what he meant and that we were on the same wavelength.

I've thought for awhile now that Shannon should change the rules, so that only his subliminal is allowed during the program, nothing else at ALL. That way nothing interferes and ruins the results and you have people sadly spending 6 months of their time and getting such a little return.

I have also noticed that the people who do all that stuff seem to stagnate and not really change at all. The people who don't, seem to make measurable change that is obvious. I didn't want to mention this on the forums because I didn't want to badmouth people trying to change. In the end, we're all on our own path, I'm focused on my path, and won't question someone else's because it doesn't concern me and ultimately isn't my business. But if other people are seeing it, then maybe it's good for others to see this, maybe they'll "get out of their own way" so to speak, and allow the programming to do it's job. And maybe Shannon will end up changing the rules of the programs in the future due to this issue to prevent others from sabotaging their own success.

Here's a final thought. I've had this thought since I first started reading this forum. I'll share it with all of you...what IF, this whole tapping thing does cause you to not experience the "useful negative", so you don't change, and in the end, it's an extremely advanced form of fear-based resistance. Ponder THAT for awhile...

(02-11-2015, 08:32 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: My overall opinion is that your better off not using tapping, PSTEC, etc. Just like some others have mentioned I've noticed as well that a lot of the Journals where people were using a lot of those clearing tools seemed to get lack luster results. I had tried to use those clearing tools a few months ago at the beginning of AM6 but two days later there were a couple of posts on the forums from members who said they noticed slow/or negating effects of results when they combined clearing tools with their sub usage. I stopped any clearing as soon as I saw that. In the end though you have to remember what these clearing methods do. They either "De-program" negative memories/ emotions or they "Program" positive feelings/ beliefs into your mind. Whether its De-programming the negative or programming the positive it still doesn't change the fact that your programming your mind one way or another. And correct me if I'm wrong but I remember Shannon saying something along the lines of don't use other programming with the Subs.

Also, I don't know about anyone else but I spent $500 on a sub to see how "it" works, not how it works in combination with something else. For example, it would be strange for me to spend $500 on a Diet plan then turn around and try to combine it with another opposite diet plan for 6 months. All i'm going to do is get lack luster results or no results at all during those 6 months. Afterwards, I'm going to have to do it over again except for this time only do one diet plan at anyone time. Not trying to pick on anyone who's been using these methods but that's just my opinion on the matter.

(11-19-2014, 11:24 AM)DanAmerson Wrote:

(11-19-2014, 05:26 AM)Ricardo Wrote: Two years was just an example. My point is that the time it takes to do subs properly isn't much in a lifetime considering the benefits. If you didn't follow AM 5 correctly then you can't expect a good foundation for SM. The pre-requisite for successful running of SM is to have done AM according to the instructions. Might explain a few things?

It certainly might. I'm realizing that now, which might mean I'll run AM6 instead of BASE. However, Ryan ran WM without touching AM the first time around, and he had women staring at him, and dates.

The first three stages of SM3 build off of AM, so if I didn't get 100% of the message, SM3 would've helped me to catch up. There are several reasons why it might not have worked, and a few of those of my doing.

EDIT: My current issue is with seduction and taking a woman step by step, which AM doesn't cover. My other complaint is that women lose interest, which could be due to not enough exposure to AM.

(11-20-2014, 10:57 AM)Ricardo Wrote: Dan I think Ryan ran Aura of Sexiness before WM so his results with WM may actually have been AOS. Either way Ryan is very susceptible to Subs! Shannon says you can use WM first but that would be like building a house on swamp land..some temporary results.....maybe.

I understand your current frustrations with seduction and women losing interest but I wouldn't expect either to be a problem if the sub works correctly. You have 7 auras with SM and you should be so sizzling with sexiness that women wouldn't care if you didn't lead them or work to maintain their interest.
If I were you i would finish SM and run MYPSL until she turns up then run AM6 followed by SM again, no tapping PSTEC or anything like that. I really don't see that helping the delicate scripting in these subs. I'm also concluding that it's best to run AM when you have a reliable girlfriend or sexual partner

Ryan Wrote: Men find it funny now a days, like if they don't get permission from their wife it's "Awww my wife won't let me do it lol". Like it is normal and expected.

As for Shannon saying their subconscious and conscious are exactly the opposite is true. When I was doing online dating research I would send women a message that made me come out like a pig and basically saw them as only sex objects. Although they didn't take kind to it first (usually telling me to f- off or I was a pig). After a few more conversations they'd fall for me because I would accept that and not apologize for what I was doing. I would mostly sit with the mindset, "there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I said and if you take it personally that is your own problem, not mine" and they would go along, telling me how much they didn't want to have sex with me but ended up doing it.

One thing I have learned as of lately, being in a relationship with an honest girl is the number of times in my past a woman had said to me "you're annoying me", "you're bothering me", "you pissed me off", "I'm giving you the cold shoulder". And yet, I did apologize or try to make it better. And the thing is, I always thought (and always see this in other men), the guy will usually say something like "why would she treat me like that, I'd never do that to her?"

In a sense I always felt women had more freedom to speak in a relationship then a man. The things they could say outnumbered the things I could get away with saying. And now I do the same with my girlfriend. I'll tell her when she is annoying me or pissing me off. I'll let her know that I'm ignoring her for the night. Granted, a lot of mixed emotions come to the surface during subliminals and at times I feel like I'm out of whack, angry for no apparent reason and get easily agitated. And yes, I always listen to her point of view and work through our 'serious' problems. Stuff that doesn't matter needs to stay that way.

I remember one night in our relationships, my girlfriend got mad at me because I wouldn't stay the night with her (I wanted my own bed) and she got really sad and disappointed. In my past, I would apologize and cave into her emotions to sleep with her that night. But that night because of how she reacted and wouldn't give me a goodbye kiss, I laughed, said night and walked out the door with no care about it all. Now I have my moments from my ex, most likely where I think if I'd react like that she'd bitch me out. But women do not do that to a man that leads her. She feels she f-ed up when such things happen, and it's interesting.

I told her the other night my view on relationship drama... "If she's being irrational you punish her with spankings. If she's being rational you apologize and take her to bed to f- her brains out".

Lol

Shannon Wrote:

Quote:Well I'm not exactly sure how all those threads connect and then relate to woman but I like the sound of that end result-being your best self and having woman so infatuated by it -they have to be part of it-win-win.

Instead of "infatuated", think "fascinated by a great catch/choice". :-)

Quote:right-I meant womanizing in a more making fun of itself kind of way, like: OK at least the new set also incorporates relating to woman in some way woo-but I'm glad you clarified the distinction because I'm hoping it could settle some confusion I've been internally debating for a while. I've given up and getting any knowledge as universal truth about these things and try to just trust my own experience and experimentation but I'm interested in your views: "Alpha's don't chase", Does that mean they don't approach? Does that mean they don't take initiative or proactive action to have woman in their lives? Even if they have an amazing life and sense of self how does it happen-through social connections only? Is approaching and pushing to move things forward inherently beta? Inherently pursuing in the worst sense of the term? And if not how are those things (above) different-than going after woman/chasing?

What I mean when I say Alpha doesn't chase is based on the fact that chasing is usually done when there is perception of something to lose by not chasing. Approaching, initiating with, conversing with, socializing with, enjoying the company of, entertaining, being playful with... sure. But what woman have you ever seen Hugh Hefner ever chase? Or Captain Picard? Or James Bond? Or any other commonly accepted depiction of alpha male?

Alpha is a leader. Leaders lead. Chasing is not leading... it's following. When you chase, you are being led. If you are being led, you are, by definition, not leading... and not leading means you are not the leader, and therefore not in control of the situation because you perceive some possibility of lack.

Alpha males have options, and they are also rarely focused on women to the point of allowing them to become the goal. They have other priorities to deal with. The fact that women are not the primary focus leads to the lack of chase also, which helps advertise that he is not needy. He does not need her love/affection/attention/sexually/etc., so she takes note because this behavior is displayed mainly by leaders - alphas. This causes her to take interest, and since he is typically either busy with something else, has other female options, and/or simply refuses to be led... is not pursuing her, she therefore must begin pursuit of him in some manner to get his attention, affection, time, whatever it is she is after.

When the female must pursue the male... she knows he is a leader. She has more options than the vast majority of males, because she is in higher demand than most males, who are not what she is looking for (betas). So the equation looks like this:

99 in 100 males are beta; 99 out of 100 will chase her. 1 in 100 (hypothetical numbers, here, btw) will not. If she is mature enough to have outgrown her ego over being pursued by so many men, she will take note of the 1 who is not acting like the herd. He is not displaying beta behavior.

Out of this 100 guys, she has 99 easily accessible options. She is therefore in high demand, and whenever there is high demand, the barriers to access (price, in a sense; in this case, ease of access, presuming a healthy, self respecting female) goes up to match the scarcity.

But that 1 who isn't chasing probably isn't chasing because he also has multiple options to choose from. If that is the case, then he is perceived as being high value, because:

• If other females are offering themselves to him (giving him options to choose from), they must necessarily percieve him as being of high value, which is known as "social proof", which makes her assume his value is as high as the number of females he has options with/from; and
  
• if she must pursue/initiate to get HIS attention/affection/interest, he is the reverse of the other males who she deals with, who are betas, which means he must be... alpha. High value. He is, in other words, like her: in high demand. He is at least her equal in this regard therefore, and people tend to seek out equals (people of similar or slightly higher value) to mate with.
  

Once she has decided that she is in the presence of a male worth her interest, and has caught his attention by whatever means (boobs, kisses, flirting, sex, intellectual stimulation, socializing, whatever), the ball is in his court - because he is the leader, and as leader, he makes the decisions concerning his life. That includes how he spends his time, whom he spends it with, and whom he chooses to inseminate.

If he has concluded that he is in the presence of a female whom he perceives as being interesting and/or worthy of his time, attention or insemination, so to speak, he will move toward that goal with her, and move her towards it also - again, acting as leader. But, this is his choice to pursue this course of action... she is not leading him to it, and he is not a slave to her charms or his reproductive organs in the process. He is simply acting on a choice he has made with his brain, which is what he uses for thinking.

At all times, he is acting out of his own choice, his own thinking, his own free will. She is not required to lead him, trick him, tug a nose ring or pull on a leash. He is leading... based on his awareness of the situation (female interested, in this case) and his own choice of responses.

Leaders inherently lead.

Quote:I would think its all in the attitude, level of neediness, and certainty and positive expectation with which one goes about it-rather than the actions themselves.

It's in all of the above. They all "speak" to the female about the male's status, class, and value. They are all points to be considered and tallied towards her decision and conclusion about him and his genuineness and degree of alphaness.

Quote:subliminal's aside- self sufficiency, emotional non-neediness, work you love/have to do and ghosts asides, from the sound of it, it seems like you spend weeks if not months just in one house by yourself-doesn't that get very difficult for you?

You are correct in both your discernment and your conclusion. It becomes very difficult. One of my challenges is dealing with certain forms of imbalance that lead me to be prone to acting out of anxiety, which, while I have primarily dealt with it at a conscious level, still appears to be something of an issue subconsciously for me concerning the pain of my last major relationship and the reactions to it; vis a vis, I was badly, deeply and repeatedly hurt, so now a part of me is afraid of allowing me to be vulnerable to that again. The response to SM has therefore been, "No, let's hide in the house with our work, here the cruel females won't find us and hurt us." I am, of course, working on it... but I have a valid point in having a huge amount of work to do on any given day also, which makes dealing with that response more difficult and time consuming. But it is being dealt with, and when I finish with the next two six stage sets, I will not have this huge time requirement per day for working.

EDIT: I forgot to address the fact that alphas do initiate, also, but they initiate when they choose to. Their actions are always self directed, self chosen, and chosen based on thought... not need, lack or desperation.

Shannon Wrote:

ohmygee Wrote:

mat422 Wrote: "Men are like a fine wine. They all start out like grapes, and it's our job to stomp on them and keep them in the dark until they mature into something you'd like to have dinner with.

Women are like apples on trees. The best ones are at the top of the tree. Most men don't want to reach for the good ones because they are afraid of falling and getting hurt. Instead, they just take the rotten apples from the ground that aren't as good, but easy to pick up.

The apples at the top think something is wrong with them, when in reality, THEY'RE AMAZING. They just have to WAIT for the right man to come along, the one who's brave enough to climb all the way to the top of the tree.

I guess thats a lesson to all of us, STOP picking up the rotten apples.

That's an interesting way of putting it. The implcation is that the best ones are the hardest to get, and that seems to be true, not because they require effort to climb to, but because they're TAKEN, and when they're worth having and taken, they aren't going to leave him for you, because that faithfulness is a large part of what makes them worth having. These women seem to have a half life while single of about 20 minutes. Average time of singleness: one hour. That's a pretty slim window of opportunity.

(01-13-2015, 09:54 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-06-2015, 01:24 PM)JamesC71 Wrote: It's so interesting reading this thread because not only did it confirm what I thought the AM program was and is really about but also how it's not at all based on getting women or a girlfriend or getting laid. The fact that people focus so much on that is really mind blowing. I am guilty of being that way myself.I used to think if I just met the right woman or girl that everything in my life would be perfect. It didn't and I attracted a lot of women I didn't realize were incredibly toxic until much later.
To me now its more about how I can be the best man possible. To let go of all the mental and emotional garbage that keeps that from happening. To be fair to the guys who seek relationships. The best ones I've ever had were the ones where I wasn't attached to any outcome.
When you just learn to let go of wanting or needing that is often when it comes and I'm sure you have heard that before like I have.
I know people are told to focus on what they want but in all honesty relationships or meeting women is the one thing I've learned you literally have to let go of to get.Nothing scares women away like desperation and trying to hard.I know I've been there.The more I let go of needing outside approval or acknowledgent the better things are for me.

I have observed an interesting phenomenon concerning women. They are so used to being the receivers of aggression and desire for something from men that they auto-assume that you're going to be aggressive and demand that whatever it is you want from them. They are bracing for impact, and they never get a chance to express their own desires that way.

The other day while I was in Las Vegas I happened to decide that it was time to stop working for a bit and refuel the ol' body, so I left the hotel room and went to the bar to have dinner. The thoughts on my mind were of work, and how to solve problems. At the bar I took the opportunity to observe the people around me, as that is always entertaining. But I had no expectations, and no real interest in interacting. I just wanted to eat and solve the issue of which possible option currently under consideration was best for improving the MPME.

There were three bartenders; two men and a woman. The woman did not interact with me at first, I didn't even know she was there for about 15 minutes. When she did make herself obvious to me, I was pleasantly surprised: petite, well proportioned, and had aged very well. This was a woman who could be of interest, but knowing her age (40's), looks (9 to most guys) and occupation, I knew she was going to have miles of walls up. It didn't matter to me, though, because I wasn't there to hit on, or necessarily even talk to her.

She asked me if I had been cared for and I replied that I had ordered dinner already. She then looked around, and asked, "Would you like me to bring you some bread and butter while you wait?" Interesting, because she was not the one who had claim on my tab, but I accepted. She returned and apologized, saying that I probably would not eat all the bread she brought me, but here it was. Interesting again. Why would she care? Why seem bashful about it?

Over the course of the night, she checked on me more than the other two, who were by no means ignoring me. Good service from all three, to be sure. But she was doing just a little bit more. Then she disappeared for a while, and returned. When she returned, she seemed avoidant. Would not come near me, would not look at me, ignored me. This is always a sign that something is making a woman uncomfortable, and based on the fact that she had been treating me the way she had previously, I concluded that she might be attracted and feeling that it was inappropriate for some reason, possibly because she was involved.

When she was talking to some people across the bar from me, back to me, I heard her mention her 5 year old daughter and husband. Aha! Motive. Then I noticed she had a tattoo on her left ring finger and upon asking about it, she said it was her way of honoring her husband while making it practical to work by removing her wedding ring: the tattoo was his name. Clever. And the more I thought about it, the more I admired her way of honoring him. I told her so, and she seemed hugely relieved, as if she was worried that I was going to hit on her and she would have to reject me. When I never made a move, but instead expressed admiration for how she was honoring her husband, she was not just appreciative, but realized that I respected her relationship and I was not going to make a move. Suddenly there was no pressure on her.

Her response? She suddenly opened up again, and started enjoying my company again. She started actually giving me IOIs again, and when I went to leave, she made sure to be there to thank me for coming in, expressed how she had enjoyed my company and asked if I was going to return. When I replied that I had to be in Vegas again in a few weeks, she rather personally invited me back.

In other words, I did not attack, so she was free to express her own interests and attractions, whether or not she could act on them beyond friendship, and enjoying my company and conversation. Now, because I was needless and respectful, I have an in with her that other guys don't. She is willing to allow me to come closer, and if I play my cards right, I know I can absolutely get her in bed. Do I want to? Not if she's married... but I know I can. Desperation kills the gentleness that allows for success with a lot of women of real value.

(02-17-2015, 11:56 AM)Shannon Wrote: A lot of guys don't understand that sex is a very intimate thing for a woman, because she is receiving him inside herself, because it makes her physically and emotionally vulnerable, and because it puts her at risk of disease or pregnancy. Younger guys, especially these days, tend to view sex as if everyone were male. Males are given the freedom, and indeed, expected to, have sex at the drop of a hat. Sex is usually a much different matter and experience for a man than a woman, given that he has the freedom to do this and she is expected to abide by a long list of rules and regulations. There are more than 134 different things a woman considers before having sex, but for men, it's more likely to be "Will this get my ass kicked?" and "Is it hard yet?" Male pattern blindness makes for an assumption that everyone is playing on the same field, by the same rules, and the same game. Guys, that's not the case. Her stating her case and sticking to what she believes doesn't make her close-minded. It means she has a different point of view than you do. Not everyone will think like you, in either direction.

(01-27-2014, 11:19 AM)thor2014 Wrote: Hi Guys,

I read an interesting post where Shannon talks about how by not masturbating you can build up your energy levels in your body and people will see that.

Since I completed stage 1 of AMS 5.0 I have much more control over my urge to ejaculate. How does one cultivate this energy into your aura ? Is this covered in AMS 5.0 ?

(01-27-2014, 12:09 PM)Shannon Wrote: Your body naturally acts as a generator of, and battery for, sexual energy while you are healthy and within "breeding age". To cultivate it into your aura, simply don't release it. It will eventually "fill the battery" and at that point you will begin to immolate with it, and it will bleed off through your aura.

It's very challenging to withstand this level of sexual desire without release, though. I don't think too many men have the willpower to do it, and even if they do, it can be akin to torture if you have a good sex drive.

(01-27-2014, 04:02 PM)LifeLabs Wrote:

(01-27-2014, 12:09 PM)Shannon Wrote: Your body naturally acts as a generator of, and battery for, sexual energy while you are healthy and within "breeding age". To cultivate it into your aura, simply don't release it. It will eventually "fill the battery" and at that point you will begin to immolate with it, and it will bleed off through your aura.

It's very challenging to withstand this level of sexual desire without release, though. I don't think too many men have the willpower to do it, and even if they do, it can be akin to torture if you have a good sex drive.

What about orgasm without ejaculation? Does that count as 'release'?

(01-28-2014, 12:06 AM)Shannon Wrote: I'm not sure, but I would bank on "yes" since it is not the physical ejaculate that releases the orgone (sexual energy).

(01-28-2014, 05:57 AM)Ace Wrote: Shannon, how much time does it take to "fill the battery" after a release?

(01-29-2014, 02:11 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(01-28-2014, 05:57 AM)Ace Wrote: Shannon, how much time does it take to "fill the battery" after a release?

How many amps is your battery capacity, and how many amps are coming in per unit of time? Every physical body has a different capacity, and a different generation/inflow rate for that energy. For me, I have it happen within 7 to 10 days. Some people may not take as long, some may never achieve it if natural bleed-off exceeds inflow.

Shannon Wrote:

Spiral Wrote: Another question. I noticed in the sub Increase your sex drive that it has statements such as "Having sex is natural and fun for me, and I enjoy it immensely." and "I now allow myself to enjoy sex fully, and let go of any and all fear, shame or guilt about it." I really like those statements but I dig the fact also that when using Poetry of the Silent Eros it has faster effects on the user. Or it seems like it does based on the description and from what k train has mentioned in his journal. So I'm wondering.. with the intense effects of arousal it causes could it override the negativity I feel on the subject of sex? I personally feel that may be a long shot. But I'm willing to run Increase your sex drive for a couple of hours a day along with the rest of Alpha male. Alpha male deals with sex in some ways right? Especially regarding negativity and fear on the subject of sex? Because a healthy alpha Male has a healthy sex drive and a great sex life. Do You think it's worth adding in Increase your sex drive for a couple hours a night with the last 3 stages of Alpha Male? By the way i'm using Alpha Male 2011

Interesting, I find I have already replied, yet my answer is nowhere to be found. I'll try again.

PSE is designed to be a rapid and temporary sexual arousal increase, for use in the moment to help add spice to couples who are already together and who both know it is being used. It can, of course, also be used for other things. However, increasing the sex drive long term would better be done by using a subliminal specifically designed for that. Both could be used in conjunction, also, as long as you used PSE V. 1 or 3 with IYSD.

PSE V. 2 or 4 or 5 can temporarily override the negativity. They're not designed for removing negativity in males long term though.

Alpha male does not deal with negativity regarding sex. Sex is a major reason why most males are NOT alpha, as it distracts them from doing what they need to do internally in order to BECOME alpha. Consequently, interest in females and sex is put aside in alpha, so the actual work can be done. IYSD with the last 3 stages of AM 2011 would not hurt, but it also probably will be more expensive than it's worth.

And the two subs you mentioned, extreme self esteem and seize the day, can be used together.

Shannon Wrote:

Tigurinn Wrote:

Shannon Wrote: I have a Samsung Galaxy S II. It also has mono speaker built in. But I use subliminals built without the stereo spatial effects, such as Type A or A/B hybrids.

So the Poetry of the Silent Eros (the ones available to us to purchase) should be ok to play on a mobile phone?

Yes, PSE is fine for use on cell phones. So are those programs which only use one gender for the vocals, which would be those programs designed specifically for men, or those programs designed specifically for women. They do not use SPE (stereospatial effects), since there is only one gender speaking.

On everything else, you will get results from stereo, but it won't be as good as using stereo. You're mussing about 50% of the audio that way, and then the "boost effect" as well. To use a cell phone effectively for SPE audio, you need to use the headphone jack.

Shannon Wrote:

massagemaggie Wrote: ust get familiar with the particular neurosis of other countries before making any decisions Everyone has their thing, it might be something more or less tolerable depending on your preferences. I know more than a handful of American men who have succumbed to the lure of stunning foreign women who make the promise of devotion, femininity, appreciation and worship and gratitude of his masculinity and who were shocked when after marriage and legal securities, their lovely doting woman had other sides to her. I'm not being pessimistic, and presumably after Alpha male the sorting process should be refined, but I know so many men American, British and German who've all had "surprises."

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Good points. That's actually a big part of why a lot of American men seek overseas or in other countries... or move out of the United States outright... because I have been told of American women doing the same thing more than a few times.

I don't need a woman to worship me or be obedient, but I do need a woman I can trust with whatever level of autonomy she has not to stab me in the back eventually. Unfortunately, American culture is in decline and the value of others' rights seems to be dissolving in the minds of the general populace here, as well as the fact that our nation has gone far past "equal rights for women" in some directions, and now men are being treated as bad in a lot of cases simply because they are male.

The other night I was at a restaurant talking to a woman (who was very obviously interested in me, by the way) and her fiance. She and he were quite severely mismatched intellectually from what I could see. He was a good enough guy, but she just mopped the floor with him intellectually. I found myself wondering why she would choose to marry someone she was so mismatched with in this direction.

Later in the conversation I found out, when she told me about a time that he expressed insecurity in keeping her, and she replied to him, "Honey, I spent the last seven years training you, why would I leave you now?"

I was stunned, although not so stunned as the first time I heard a woman say something like this. And it was so normal and natural to everyone else that it didn't even register, even to the guys.

But if I had said something about training my fiance or girlfriend, in exactly the same way or context, every woman present would have gone apesh*t.

This is something I have seen many, many times in my life, this attitude from American (and Hispanic) women I have met that men are dogs and they need to be on a leash and trained. In fact, Alpha Male exists for that reason. It was one of my ex's who made exactly such a statement to me while she and I were talking to my mother, and when I got upset, my own mother agreed with her!

I also know another man who is dating a woman who constantly treats him like this. She's so crushed his spirit that when he finished getting a Bachelor's degree in teaching History, did he go get a job as a teacher, in high school, where teachers are desperately needed? No, he got a job installing cabinets, because she insisted that as a "male", he was incompetent, and he believed her.

Feminism was supposed to be about equality. It's not about equality in practice anymore. We no longer have gender roles, and men don't know what to do because they don't know what's expected of them. Because they were raised by a feminist controlled idiot box and parents that told them men are supposed to let women be men too. And their parents were also raised with that same idiot box saying that same thing... and in some cases, their grandparents now too.

The problem is, most guys are waiting to be told what their role is, and that's antithetical. When guys stop waiting to be told what's acceptable behavior and start deciding for themselves, and objecting to being treated like dogs and constantly hated on and mistreated simply because they're male, things will change. And that's part of why I created AM.

Nobody should be treated as a dog to be trained, unless that is their genuine need, want and choice in life. And that group is a lot smaller in number than the number of men being treated that way by women in America, I can assure you.

But there are snakes in the grass in both genders, and in every country, I am sure.

It has been tempting to me for more reasons than just the infectious memes women carry here in the US to move out of the country entirely, just so that when I do find a good woman, our "culture" doesn't subsequently turn her into a monster just like what I was trying to avoid in the first place.

I'm all for equality, where both parties agree that they want that. But man hating and misandry isn't gender equality.

Shannon Wrote:

Benjamin Wrote: **** all that feminism type stuff pisses me off. I used to get into arguments with aggressive women with that attitude while doing security.. and there unfortunately would always be some idiot guy trying to stand up for her, like no matter what her behaviour and how she talks to me, telling me that I can't talk to a woman like that.

What BS.

But similar to what you mentioned Shannon, a few of these have come back another time and then been attracted to me.. hmm..

I haven't lived with a woman before.. BUT.. when i've been in relationships I still see friends and do stuff and tell them about it. And i'm happy to let them go do stuff and see their friends too. I faintly remember one woman trying to whine about me doing that but that didn't go well in the end for her.

Though at the same time.. I still do feel alot of guilt and pressure at times with this stuff and I realize that i've let them control me without knowing at times, like I can see it easily in others but there is some of that in myself, probably due to it being so strong in our culture. I look forward to AM 5.0. I remember doing the first few stages of SM 1 and this really become obvious and made me angry. But I knew it was part of the attitude improving.

-Ben

I actually don't have a problem with the original point of feminism - which was gender equality. But it's not about gender equality now. Now it's about taking over and controlling men because men decided to try to go along with the idea of equality, and in doing so, became confused as to what was appropriate. When the women who jumped on the feminism bandwagon for the wrong reasons saw that weakness, they decided to take full advantage and go as far as they could. Now we're seeing our culture suffer because of it, and we're just as far from gender equality as we ever were, just in a different direction.

Militant feminism is bullsh*t. The original ideal was fine, but the prevailing attitude isn't about equality. It's about man bashing and taking whatever they who follow that line of thinking can get from guys... which is often a lot, since guys in general are stuck at the level of cretin after having two or three generations of TV telling us that men are incompetent, clueless and worthless.

Most women take the responsibility that the guy doesn't or won't, because he was never taught that a man takes responsibility for himself and his life, and they then have the control and because he won't take responsibility, they develop scorn for him. Repeat this enough times and the mindset becomes "Men are incompetent, so I am justified in taking advantage."

Stop raising and training men to be incompetent, and they won't be incompetent!

I believe that genetically, males are designed to act like males, and females are designed to act like females. And males are designed to prefer females who look and act feminine, and females are designed to favor males who look and act masculine. And there's nothing that seems to attract a woman more than a man who won't put up with her sh*t. So that must be a desirable masculine trait. As it turns out, it's the trait of an alpha, a leader, and that is what women are really wanting... a man who will be the man, and the leader. Not every woman wants a man who will lead HER, but genetically women seem to favor men who are self sufficient and leaders.

Which easily explains why you had that experience. She acts bad, you call her out, she sees you acting like what her genes are telling her is a healthy male, and she responds. That guy "protecting" her, he gets whatever she wants, if anything.

Shannon Wrote:

ohmygee Wrote: I guess you mean any guy with an ego would be pissed off about it? Why do you care if other guys fail to take responsibility for their lives and let women walk on them?

That is the reason they do it in the first place. We as men in general let them. It matters because it is not only negative sexism, it's damaging men, and it's perpetuating the battle of the sexes. Negative sexism is never acceptable. We as a group are being treated this way because 90% are too clueless to see it (indoctrinated) and 9% have the attitude of "Who cares? It's not happening to me."

We have to be a unified front. We have to recognize when it's not happening, expect and require reasonable treatment. Anything women would object to, should be something we would also object to. That's how you get to equality. When one gender gets too influential, the balance is thrown out of whack and we all suffer, which is what started feminism in the first place!

It's not about ego. It's about being treated reasonably by the opposite gender.

I'm not advocating that we get all cave man and go reset the clock to 1592. But I do advocate that men be treated as the valid, worthwhile and competent people we are (or can be, regarding the competence of some men), who deserve to be treated just as well as anyone else.

Shannon Wrote:

mat422 Wrote: I thought I was crazy for thinking like this. I feel like anytime I bring this stuff up the response is that men just need to toughen up and take it. Like it's OUR fault, and not the societal conditioning here in the U.S. You know what is the worst? The guys that side with the man hating women.

Reminds me of some plaque type thing hanging in my mom's kitchen. That says. "Men are like a fine wine. They all start out like grapes, and it's our job to stomp on them and keep them in the dark until they mature into something you'd like to have dinner with."

Blah. Makes me sick. Some may say it's a joke, but if I can't return the same joke with regards to women without someone getting all up in arms and labeling me a misogynist I fail to see any equality there.

Put one up next to it that reads, "Women are like a rose. They start off being full of manure, and it's our job to remove the thorns and train them to do what we want until they turn into something worth having around."

I guarantee you this will be vehemently objected to, and when you point out that they essentially say the same thing, she won't be able to see why on earth you could ever object to her plaque. She'll insist hers is a joke, but YOURS is just downright insulting. When she does that, tell her the feeling is mutual, tell her you're disappointed that your own mother is sexist against men and even more so that she can't see or admit it, and throw them both away.