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Well I'm not exactly sure how all those threads connect and then relate to woman but I like the sound of that end result-being your best self and having woman so infatuated by it -they have to be part of it-win-win.

Instead of "infatuated", think "fascinated by a great catch/choice". :-)

right-I meant womanizing in a more making fun of itself kind of way, like: OK at least the new set also incorporates relating to woman in some way woo-but I'm glad you clarified the distinction because I'm hoping it could settle some confusion I've been internally debating for a while. I've given up and getting any knowledge as universal truth about these things and try to just trust my own experience and experimentation but I'm interested in your views: "Alpha's don't chase", Does that mean they don't approach? Does that mean they don't take initiative or proactive action to have woman in their lives? Even if they have an amazing life and sense of self how does it happen-through social connections only? Is approaching and pushing to move things forward inherently beta? Inherently pursuing in the worst sense of the term? And if not how are those things (above) different-than going after woman/chasing?

What I mean when I say Alpha doesn't chase is based on the fact that chasing is usually done when there is perception of something to lose by not chasing. Approaching, initiating with, conversing with, socializing with, enjoying the company of, entertaining, being playful with... sure. But what woman have you ever seen Hugh Hefner ever chase? Or Captain Picard? Or James Bond? Or any other commonly accepted depiction of alpha male?

Alpha is a leader. Leaders lead. Chasing is not leading... it's following. When you chase, you are being led. If you are being led, you are, by definition, not leading... and not leading means you are not the leader, and therefore not in control of the situation because you perceive some possibility of lack.

Alpha males have options, and they are also rarely focused on women to the point of allowing them to become the goal. They have other priorities to deal with. The fact that women are not the primary focus leads to the lack of chase also, which helps advertise that he is not needy. He does not need her love/affection/attention/sexually/etc., so she takes note because this behavior is displayed mainly by leaders - alphas. This causes her to take interest, and since he is typically either busy with something else, has other female options, and/or simply refuses to be led... is not pursuing her, she therefore must begin pursuit of him in some manner to get his attention, affection, time, whatever it is she is after.

When the female must pursue the male... she knows he is a leader. She has more options than the vast majority of males, because she is in higher demand than most males, who are not what she is looking for (betas). So the equation looks like this:

99 in 100 males are beta; 99 out of 100 will chase her. 1 in 100 (hypothetical numbers, here, btw) will not. If she is mature enough to have outgrown her ego over being pursued by so many men, she will take note of the 1 who is not acting like the herd. He is not displaying beta behavior.

Out of this 100 guys, she has 99 easily accessible options. She is therefore in high demand, and whenever there is high demand, the barriers to access (price, in a sense; in this case, ease of access, presuming a healthy, self respecting female) goes up to match the scarcity.

But that 1 who isn't chasing probably isn't chasing because he also has multiple options to choose from. If that is the case, then he is perceived as being high value, because:

• If other females are offering themselves to him (giving him options to choose from), they must necessarily percieve him as being of high value, which is known as "social proof", which makes her assume his value is as high as the number of females he has options with/from; and
  
• if she must pursue/initiate to get HIS attention/affection/interest, he is the reverse of the other males who she deals with, who are betas, which means he must be... alpha. High value. He is, in other words, like her: in high demand. He is at least her equal in this regard therefore, and people tend to seek out equals (people of similar or slightly higher value) to mate with.
  

Once she has decided that she is in the presence of a male worth her interest, and has caught his attention by whatever means (boobs, kisses, flirting, sex, intellectual stimulation, socializing, whatever), the ball is in his court - because he is the leader, and as leader, he makes the decisions concerning his life. That includes how he spends his time, whom he spends it with, and whom he chooses to inseminate.

If he has concluded that he is in the presence of a female whom he perceives as being interesting and/or worthy of his time, attention or insemination, so to speak, he will move toward that goal with her, and move her towards it also - again, acting as leader. But, this is his choice to pursue this course of action... she is not leading him to it, and he is not a slave to her charms or his reproductive organs in the process. He is simply acting on a choice he has made with his brain, which is what he uses for thinking.

At all times, he is acting out of his own choice, his own thinking, his own free will. She is not required to lead him, trick him, tug a nose ring or pull on a leash. He is leading... based on his awareness of the situation (female interested, in this case) and his own choice of responses.

Leaders inherently lead.

I would think its all in the attitude, level of neediness, and certainty and positive expectation with which one goes about it-rather than the actions themselves.

It's in all of the above. They all "speak" to the female about the male's status, class, and value. They are all points to be considered and tallied towards her decision and conclusion about him and his genuineness and degree of alphaness.

subliminal's aside- self sufficiency, emotional non-neediness, work you love/have to do and ghosts asides, from the sound of it, it seems like you spend weeks if not months just in one house by yourself-doesn't that get very difficult for you?

You are correct in both your discernment and your conclusion. It becomes very difficult. One of my challenges is dealing with certain forms of imbalance that lead me to be prone to acting out of anxiety, which, while I have primarily dealt with it at a conscious level, still appears to be something of an issue subconsciously for me concerning the pain of my last major relationship and the reactions to it; vis a vis, I was badly, deeply and repeatedly hurt, so now a part of me is afraid of allowing me to be vulnerable to that again. The response to SM has therefore been, "No, let's hide in the house with our work, here the cruel females won't find us and hurt us." I am, of course, working on it... but I have a valid point in having a huge amount of work to do on any given day also, which makes dealing with that response more difficult and time consuming. But it is being dealt with, and when I finish with the next two six stage sets, I will not have this huge time requirement per day for working.

EDIT: I forgot to address the fact that alphas do initiate, also, but they initiate when they choose to. Their actions are always self directed, self chosen, and chosen based on thought... not need, lack or desperation.

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"Men are like a fine wine. They all start out like grapes, and it's our job to stomp on them and keep them in the dark until they mature into something you'd like to have dinner with.

Women are like apples on trees. The best ones are at the top of the tree. Most men don't want to reach for the good ones because they are afraid of falling and getting hurt. Instead, they just take the rotten apples from the ground that aren't as good, but easy to pick up.

The apples at the top think something is wrong with them, when in reality, THEY'RE AMAZING. They just have to WAIT for the right man to come along, the one who's brave enough to climb all the way to the top of the tree.

I guess thats a lesson to all of us, STOP picking up the rotten apples.

That's an interesting way of putting it. The implcation is that the best ones are the hardest to get, and that seems to be true, not because they require effort to climb to, but because they're TAKEN, and when they're worth having and taken, they aren't going to leave him for you, because that faithfulness is a large part of what makes them worth having. These women seem to have a half life while single of about 20 minutes. Average time of singleness: one hour. That's a pretty slim window of opportunity.

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It's so interesting reading this thread because not only did it confirm what I thought the AM program was and is really about but also how it's not at all based on getting women or a girlfriend or getting laid. The fact that people focus so much on that is really mind blowing. I am guilty of being that way myself.I used to think if I just met the right woman or girl that everything in my life would be perfect. It didn't and I attracted a lot of women I didn't realize were incredibly toxic until much later.
To me now its more about how I can be the best man possible. To let go of all the mental and emotional garbage that keeps that from happening. To be fair to the guys who seek relationships. The best ones I've ever had were the ones where I wasn't attached to any outcome.
When you just learn to let go of wanting or needing that is often when it comes and I'm sure you have heard that before like I have.
I know people are told to focus on what they want but in all honesty relationships or meeting women is the one thing I've learned you literally have to let go of to get.Nothing scares women away like desperation and trying to hard.I know I've been there.The more I let go of needing outside approval or acknowledgent the better things are for me.

I have observed an interesting phenomenon concerning women. They are so used to being the receivers of aggression and desire for something from men that they auto-assume that you're going to be aggressive and demand that whatever it is you want from them. They are bracing for impact, and they never get a chance to express their own desires that way.

The other day while I was in Las Vegas I happened to decide that it was time to stop working for a bit and refuel the ol' body, so I left the hotel room and went to the bar to have dinner. The thoughts on my mind were of work, and how to solve problems. At the bar I took the opportunity to observe the people around me, as that is always entertaining. But I had no expectations, and no real interest in interacting. I just wanted to eat and solve the issue of which possible option currently under consideration was best for improving the MPME.

There were three bartenders; two men and a woman. The woman did not interact with me at first, I didn't even know she was there for about 15 minutes. When she did make herself obvious to me, I was pleasantly surprised: petite, well proportioned, and had aged very well. This was a woman who could be of interest, but knowing her age (40's), looks (9 to most guys) and occupation, I knew she was going to have miles of walls up. It didn't matter to me, though, because I wasn't there to hit on, or necessarily even talk to her.

She asked me if I had been cared for and I replied that I had ordered dinner already. She then looked around, and asked, "Would you like me to bring you some bread and butter while you wait?" Interesting, because she was not the one who had claim on my tab, but I accepted. She returned and apologized, saying that I probably would not eat all the bread she brought me, but here it was. Interesting again. Why would she care? Why seem bashful about it?

Over the course of the night, she checked on me more than the other two, who were by no means ignoring me. Good service from all three, to be sure. But she was doing just a little bit more. Then she disappeared for a while, and returned. When she returned, she seemed avoidant. Would not come near me, would not look at me, ignored me. This is always a sign that something is making a woman uncomfortable, and based on the fact that she had been treating me the way she had previously, I concluded that she might be attracted and feeling that it was inappropriate for some reason, possibly because she was involved.

When she was talking to some people across the bar from me, back to me, I heard her mention her 5 year old daughter and husband. Aha! Motive. Then I noticed she had a tattoo on her left ring finger and upon asking about it, she said it was her way of honoring her husband while making it practical to work by removing her wedding ring: the tattoo was his name. Clever. And the more I thought about it, the more I admired her way of honoring him. I told her so, and she seemed hugely relieved, as if she was worried that I was going to hit on her and she would have to reject me. When I never made a move, but instead expressed admiration for how she was honoring her husband, she was not just appreciative, but realized that I respected her relationship and I was not going to make a move. Suddenly there was no pressure on her.

Her response? She suddenly opened up again, and started enjoying my company again. She started actually giving me IOIs again, and when I went to leave, she made sure to be there to thank me for coming in, expressed how she had enjoyed my company and asked if I was going to return. When I replied that I had to be in Vegas again in a few weeks, she rather personally invited me back.

In other words, I did not attack, so she was free to express her own interests and attractions, whether or not she could act on them beyond friendship, and enjoying my company and conversation. Now, because I was needless and respectful, I have an in with her that other guys don't. She is willing to allow me to come closer, and if I play my cards right, I know I can absolutely get her in bed. Do I want to? Not if she's married... but I know I can. Desperation kills the gentleness that allows for success with a lot of women of real value.

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A lot of guys don't understand that sex is a very intimate thing for a woman, because she is receiving him inside herself, because it makes her physically and emotionally vulnerable, and because it puts her at risk of disease or pregnancy. Younger guys, especially these days, tend to view sex as if everyone were male. Males are given the freedom, and indeed, expected to, have sex at the drop of a hat. Sex is usually a much different matter and experience for a man than a woman, given that he has the freedom to do this and she is expected to abide by a long list of rules and regulations. There are more than 134 different things a woman considers before having sex, but for men, it's more likely to be "Will this get my ass kicked?" and "Is it hard yet?" Male pattern blindness makes for an assumption that everyone is playing on the same field, by the same rules, and the same game. Guys, that's not the case. Her stating her case and sticking to what she believes doesn't make her close-minded. It means she has a different point of view than you do. Not everyone will think like you, in either direction.

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Hi Guys,

I read an interesting post where Shannon talks about how by not masturbating you can build up your energy levels in your body and people will see that.

Since I completed stage 1 of AMS 5.0 I have much more control over my urge to ejaculate. How does one cultivate this energy into your aura ? Is this covered in AMS 5.0 ?

Your body naturally acts as a generator of, and battery for, sexual energy while you are healthy and within "breeding age". To cultivate it into your aura, simply don't release it. It will eventually "fill the battery" and at that point you will begin to immolate with it, and it will bleed off through your aura.

It's very challenging to withstand this level of sexual desire without release, though. I don't think too many men have the willpower to do it, and even if they do, it can be akin to torture if you have a good sex drive.

Your body naturally acts as a generator of, and battery for, sexual energy while you are healthy and within "breeding age". To cultivate it into your aura, simply don't release it. It will eventually "fill the battery" and at that point you will begin to immolate with it, and it will bleed off through your aura.

It's very challenging to withstand this level of sexual desire without release, though. I don't think too many men have the willpower to do it, and even if they do, it can be akin to torture if you have a good sex drive.

What about orgasm without ejaculation? Does that count as 'release'?

I'm not sure, but I would bank on "yes" since it is not the physical ejaculate that releases the orgone (sexual energy).

Shannon, how much time does it take to "fill the battery" after a release?

Shannon, how much time does it take to "fill the battery" after a release?

How many amps is your battery capacity, and how many amps are coming in per unit of time? Every physical body has a different capacity, and a different generation/inflow rate for that energy. For me, I have it happen within 7 to 10 days. Some people may not take as long, some may never achieve it if natural bleed-off exceeds inflow.

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Another question. I noticed in the sub Increase your sex drive that it has statements such as "Having sex is natural and fun for me, and I enjoy it immensely." and "I now allow myself to enjoy sex fully, and let go of any and all fear, shame or guilt about it." I really like those statements but I dig the fact also that when using Poetry of the Silent Eros it has faster effects on the user. Or it seems like it does based on the description and from what k train has mentioned in his journal. So I'm wondering.. with the intense effects of arousal it causes could it override the negativity I feel on the subject of sex? I personally feel that may be a long shot. But I'm willing to run Increase your sex drive for a couple of hours a day along with the rest of Alpha male. Alpha male deals with sex in some ways right? Especially regarding negativity and fear on the subject of sex? Because a healthy alpha Male has a healthy sex drive and a great sex life. Do You think it's worth adding in Increase your sex drive for a couple hours a night with the last 3 stages of Alpha Male? By the way i'm using Alpha Male 2011

Interesting, I find I have already replied, yet my answer is nowhere to be found. I'll try again.

PSE is designed to be a rapid and temporary sexual arousal increase, for use in the moment to help add spice to couples who are already together and who both know it is being used. It can, of course, also be used for other things. However, increasing the sex drive long term would better be done by using a subliminal specifically designed for that. Both could be used in conjunction, also, as long as you used PSE V. 1 or 3 with IYSD.

PSE V. 2 or 4 or 5 can temporarily override the negativity. They're not designed for removing negativity in males long term though.

Alpha male does not deal with negativity regarding sex. Sex is a major reason why most males are NOT alpha, as it distracts them from doing what they need to do internally in order to BECOME alpha. Consequently, interest in females and sex is put aside in alpha, so the actual work can be done. IYSD with the last 3 stages of AM 2011 would not hurt, but it also probably will be more expensive than it's worth.

And the two subs you mentioned, extreme self esteem and seize the day, can be used together.

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I have a Samsung Galaxy S II. It also has mono speaker built in. But I use subliminals built without the stereo spatial effects, such as Type A or A/B hybrids.

So the Poetry of the Silent Eros (the ones available to us to purchase) should be ok to play on a mobile phone?

Yes, PSE is fine for use on cell phones. So are those programs which only use one gender for the vocals, which would be those programs designed specifically for men, or those programs designed specifically for women. They do not use SPE (stereospatial effects), since there is only one gender speaking.

On everything else, you will get results from stereo, but it won't be as good as using stereo. You're mussing about 50% of the audio that way, and then the "boost effect" as well. To use a cell phone effectively for SPE audio, you need to use the headphone jack.

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ust get familiar with the particular neurosis of other countries before making any decisions Everyone has their thing, it might be something more or less tolerable depending on your preferences. I know more than a handful of American men who have succumbed to the lure of stunning foreign women who make the promise of devotion, femininity, appreciation and worship and gratitude of his masculinity and who were shocked when after marriage and legal securities, their lovely doting woman had other sides to her. I'm not being pessimistic, and presumably after Alpha male the sorting process should be refined, but I know so many men American, British and German who've all had "surprises."

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Good points. That's actually a big part of why a lot of American men seek overseas or in other countries... or move out of the United States outright... because I have been told of American women doing the same thing more than a few times.

I don't need a woman to worship me or be obedient, but I do need a woman I can trust with whatever level of autonomy she has not to stab me in the back eventually. Unfortunately, American culture is in decline and the value of others' rights seems to be dissolving in the minds of the general populace here, as well as the fact that our nation has gone far past "equal rights for women" in some directions, and now men are being treated as bad in a lot of cases simply because they are male.

The other night I was at a restaurant talking to a woman (who was very obviously interested in me, by the way) and her fiance. She and he were quite severely mismatched intellectually from what I could see. He was a good enough guy, but she just mopped the floor with him intellectually. I found myself wondering why she would choose to marry someone she was so mismatched with in this direction.

Later in the conversation I found out, when she told me about a time that he expressed insecurity in keeping her, and she replied to him, "Honey, I spent the last seven years training you, why would I leave you now?"

I was stunned, although not so stunned as the first time I heard a woman say something like this. And it was so normal and natural to everyone else that it didn't even register, even to the guys.

But if I had said something about training my fiance or girlfriend, in exactly the same way or context, every woman present would have gone apesh*t.

This is something I have seen many, many times in my life, this attitude from American (and Hispanic) women I have met that men are dogs and they need to be on a leash and trained. In fact, Alpha Male exists for that reason. It was one of my ex's who made exactly such a statement to me while she and I were talking to my mother, and when I got upset, my own mother agreed with her!

I also know another man who is dating a woman who constantly treats him like this. She's so crushed his spirit that when he finished getting a Bachelor's degree in teaching History, did he go get a job as a teacher, in high school, where teachers are desperately needed? No, he got a job installing cabinets, because she insisted that as a "male", he was incompetent, and he believed her.

Feminism was supposed to be about equality. It's not about equality in practice anymore. We no longer have gender roles, and men don't know what to do because they don't know what's expected of them. Because they were raised by a feminist controlled idiot box and parents that told them men are supposed to let women be men too. And their parents were also raised with that same idiot box saying that same thing... and in some cases, their grandparents now too.

The problem is, most guys are waiting to be told what their role is, and that's antithetical. When guys stop waiting to be told what's acceptable behavior and start deciding for themselves, and objecting to being treated like dogs and constantly hated on and mistreated simply because they're male, things will change. And that's part of why I created AM.

Nobody should be treated as a dog to be trained, unless that is their genuine need, want and choice in life. And that group is a lot smaller in number than the number of men being treated that way by women in America, I can assure you.

But there are snakes in the grass in both genders, and in every country, I am sure.

It has been tempting to me for more reasons than just the infectious memes women carry here in the US to move out of the country entirely, just so that when I do find a good woman, our "culture" doesn't subsequently turn her into a monster just like what I was trying to avoid in the first place.

I'm all for equality, where both parties agree that they want that. But man hating and misandry isn't gender equality.

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**** all that feminism type stuff pisses me off. I used to get into arguments with aggressive women with that attitude while doing security.. and there unfortunately would always be some idiot guy trying to stand up for her, like no matter what her behaviour and how she talks to me, telling me that I can't talk to a woman like that.

What BS.

But similar to what you mentioned Shannon, a few of these have come back another time and then been attracted to me.. hmm..

I haven't lived with a woman before.. BUT.. when i've been in relationships I still see friends and do stuff and tell them about it. And i'm happy to let them go do stuff and see their friends too. I faintly remember one woman trying to whine about me doing that but that didn't go well in the end for her.

Though at the same time.. I still do feel alot of guilt and pressure at times with this stuff and I realize that i've let them control me without knowing at times, like I can see it easily in others but there is some of that in myself, probably due to it being so strong in our culture. I look forward to AM 5.0. I remember doing the first few stages of SM 1 and this really become obvious and made me angry. But I knew it was part of the attitude improving.

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I actually don't have a problem with the original point of feminism - which was gender equality. But it's not about gender equality now. Now it's about taking over and controlling men because men decided to try to go along with the idea of equality, and in doing so, became confused as to what was appropriate. When the women who jumped on the feminism bandwagon for the wrong reasons saw that weakness, they decided to take full advantage and go as far as they could. Now we're seeing our culture suffer because of it, and we're just as far from gender equality as we ever were, just in a different direction.

Militant feminism is bullsh*t. The original ideal was fine, but the prevailing attitude isn't about equality. It's about man bashing and taking whatever they who follow that line of thinking can get from guys... which is often a lot, since guys in general are stuck at the level of cretin after having two or three generations of TV telling us that men are incompetent, clueless and worthless.

Most women take the responsibility that the guy doesn't or won't, because he was never taught that a man takes responsibility for himself and his life, and they then have the control and because he won't take responsibility, they develop scorn for him. Repeat this enough times and the mindset becomes "Men are incompetent, so I am justified in taking advantage."

Stop raising and training men to be incompetent, and they won't be incompetent!

I believe that genetically, males are designed to act like males, and females are designed to act like females. And males are designed to prefer females who look and act feminine, and females are designed to favor males who look and act masculine. And there's nothing that seems to attract a woman more than a man who won't put up with her sh*t. So that must be a desirable masculine trait. As it turns out, it's the trait of an alpha, a leader, and that is what women are really wanting... a man who will be the man, and the leader. Not every woman wants a man who will lead HER, but genetically women seem to favor men who are self sufficient and leaders.

Which easily explains why you had that experience. She acts bad, you call her out, she sees you acting like what her genes are telling her is a healthy male, and she responds. That guy "protecting" her, he gets whatever she wants, if anything.

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I guess you mean any guy with an ego would be pissed off about it? Why do you care if other guys fail to take responsibility for their lives and let women walk on them?

That is the reason they do it in the first place. We as men in general let them. It matters because it is not only negative sexism, it's damaging men, and it's perpetuating the battle of the sexes. Negative sexism is never acceptable. We as a group are being treated this way because 90% are too clueless to see it (indoctrinated) and 9% have the attitude of "Who cares? It's not happening to me."

We have to be a unified front. We have to recognize when it's not happening, expect and require reasonable treatment. Anything women would object to, should be something we would also object to. That's how you get to equality. When one gender gets too influential, the balance is thrown out of whack and we all suffer, which is what started feminism in the first place!

It's not about ego. It's about being treated reasonably by the opposite gender.

I'm not advocating that we get all cave man and go reset the clock to 1592. But I do advocate that men be treated as the valid, worthwhile and competent people we are (or can be, regarding the competence of some men), who deserve to be treated just as well as anyone else.

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I thought I was crazy for thinking like this. I feel like anytime I bring this stuff up the response is that men just need to toughen up and take it. Like it's OUR fault, and not the societal conditioning here in the U.S. You know what is the worst? The guys that side with the man hating women.

Reminds me of some plaque type thing hanging in my mom's kitchen. That says. "Men are like a fine wine. They all start out like grapes, and it's our job to stomp on them and keep them in the dark until they mature into something you'd like to have dinner with."

Blah. Makes me sick. Some may say it's a joke, but if I can't return the same joke with regards to women without someone getting all up in arms and labeling me a misogynist I fail to see any equality there.

Put one up next to it that reads, "Women are like a rose. They start off being full of manure, and it's our job to remove the thorns and train them to do what we want until they turn into something worth having around."

I guarantee you this will be vehemently objected to, and when you point out that they essentially say the same thing, she won't be able to see why on earth you could ever object to her plaque. She'll insist hers is a joke, but YOURS is just downright insulting. When she does that, tell her the feeling is mutual, tell her you're disappointed that your own mother is sexist against men and even more so that she can't see or admit it, and throw them both away.

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