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You shouldn't need to do those things, the sub takes care of them. From what I've gathered you need to be very accurate and careful what you put in your mind (subconscious). Personally my faith is in Shannon's creativity, not faddy unproven and throwaway statements conflicting with the subliminals.

I echo a lot of your sentiments. With respect, I feel the whole thing is nonsense. If it actually works (which I doubt), then you're cheating yourself out of the chance to experience and deal with negative things so they don't affect you anymore. Running from the negative stuff and never dealing with it properly as the subliminal is trying to get you to do...won't get you to where you need to be. You're getting in the way of the entire point of the subliminal, to bring up unpleasant stuff, and make you realise it won't kill you after all and put it to rest and not have it OWN you anymore. It's like the subliminal is a Lamborghini you're driving, but this stuff keeps you in neutral.

Shannon himself even speaks of how the "useful negative" is needed to manifest change. I knew that fact already in life, but didn't phrase it that way. But when I saw him speak of it, instantly I knew what he meant and that we were on the same wavelength.

I've thought for awhile now that Shannon should change the rules, so that only his subliminal is allowed during the program, nothing else at ALL. That way nothing interferes and ruins the results and you have people sadly spending 6 months of their time and getting such a little return.

I have also noticed that the people who do all that stuff seem to stagnate and not really change at all. The people who don't, seem to make measurable change that is obvious. I didn't want to mention this on the forums because I didn't want to badmouth people trying to change. In the end, we're all on our own path, I'm focused on my path, and won't question someone else's because it doesn't concern me and ultimately isn't my business. But if other people are seeing it, then maybe it's good for others to see this, maybe they'll "get out of their own way" so to speak, and allow the programming to do it's job. And maybe Shannon will end up changing the rules of the programs in the future due to this issue to prevent others from sabotaging their own success.

Here's a final thought. I've had this thought since I first started reading this forum. I'll share it with all of you...what IF, this whole tapping thing does cause you to not experience the "useful negative", so you don't change, and in the end, it's an extremely advanced form of fear-based resistance. Ponder THAT for awhile...

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My overall opinion is that your better off not using tapping, PSTEC, etc. Just like some others have mentioned I've noticed as well that a lot of the Journals where people were using a lot of those clearing tools seemed to get lack luster results. I had tried to use those clearing tools a few months ago at the beginning of AM6 but two days later there were a couple of posts on the forums from members who said they noticed slow/or negating effects of results when they combined clearing tools with their sub usage. I stopped any clearing as soon as I saw that. In the end though you have to remember what these clearing methods do. They either "De-program" negative memories/ emotions or they "Program" positive feelings/ beliefs into your mind. Whether its De-programming the negative or programming the positive it still doesn't change the fact that your programming your mind one way or another. And correct me if I'm wrong but I remember Shannon saying something along the lines of don't use other programming with the Subs.

Also, I don't know about anyone else but I spent $500 on a sub to see how "it" works, not how it works in combination with something else. For example, it would be strange for me to spend $500 on a Diet plan then turn around and try to combine it with another opposite diet plan for 6 months. All i'm going to do is get lack luster results or no results at all during those 6 months. Afterwards, I'm going to have to do it over again except for this time only do one diet plan at anyone time. Not trying to pick on anyone who's been using these methods but that's just my opinion on the matter.

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Two years was just an example. My point is that the time it takes to do subs properly isn't much in a lifetime considering the benefits. If you didn't follow AM 5 correctly then you can't expect a good foundation for SM. The pre-requisite for successful running of SM is to have done AM according to the instructions. Might explain a few things?

It certainly might. I'm realizing that now, which might mean I'll run AM6 instead of BASE. However, Ryan ran WM without touching AM the first time around, and he had women staring at him, and dates.

The first three stages of SM3 build off of AM, so if I didn't get 100% of the message, SM3 would've helped me to catch up. There are several reasons why it might not have worked, and a few of those of my doing.

EDIT: My current issue is with seduction and taking a woman step by step, which AM doesn't cover. My other complaint is that women lose interest, which could be due to not enough exposure to AM.

Dan I think Ryan ran Aura of Sexiness before WM so his results with WM may actually have been AOS. Either way Ryan is very susceptible to Subs! Shannon says you can use WM first but that would be like building a house on swamp land..some temporary results.....maybe.

I understand your current frustrations with seduction and women losing interest but I wouldn't expect either to be a problem if the sub works correctly. You have 7 auras with SM and you should be so sizzling with sexiness that women wouldn't care if you didn't lead them or work to maintain their interest.
If I were you i would finish SM and run MYPSL until she turns up then run AM6 followed by SM again, no tapping PSTEC or anything like that. I really don't see that helping the delicate scripting in these subs. I'm also concluding that it's best to run AM when you have a reliable girlfriend or sexual partner

I need to deny, Ryan use the very first version of WM and that version doesn't stated "Use this [WM] after the current version of AM" or so.

Second, Ryan is not susceptible person. He's done SM 1.0 with NO results, and because of that he stated to do WM then SM. Base from his experience Shannon accepted the method of AM > WM > SM.

What makes Ryan get results is because he follow the goddamn instructions and do what is needed. That is doing Cory Skyy's method and socializing.

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Men find it funny now a days, like if they don't get permission from their wife it's "Awww my wife won't let me do it lol". Like it is normal and expected.

As for Shannon saying their subconscious and conscious are exactly the opposite is true. When I was doing online dating research I would send women a message that made me come out like a pig and basically saw them as only sex objects. Although they didn't take kind to it first (usually telling me to f- off or I was a pig). After a few more conversations they'd fall for me because I would accept that and not apologize for what I was doing. I would mostly sit with the mindset, "there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I said and if you take it personally that is your own problem, not mine" and they would go along, telling me how much they didn't want to have sex with me but ended up doing it.

One thing I have learned as of lately, being in a relationship with an honest girl is the number of times in my past a woman had said to me "you're annoying me", "you're bothering me", "you pissed me off", "I'm giving you the cold shoulder". And yet, I did apologize or try to make it better. And the thing is, I always thought (and always see this in other men), the guy will usually say something like "why would she treat me like that, I'd never do that to her?"

In a sense I always felt women had more freedom to speak in a relationship then a man. The things they could say outnumbered the things I could get away with saying. And now I do the same with my girlfriend. I'll tell her when she is annoying me or pissing me off. I'll let her know that I'm ignoring her for the night. Granted, a lot of mixed emotions come to the surface during subliminals and at times I feel like I'm out of whack, angry for no apparent reason and get easily agitated. And yes, I always listen to her point of view and work through our 'serious' problems. Stuff that doesn't matter needs to stay that way.

I remember one night in our relationships, my girlfriend got mad at me because I wouldn't stay the night with her (I wanted my own bed) and she got really sad and disappointed. In my past, I would apologize and cave into her emotions to sleep with her that night. But that night because of how she reacted and wouldn't give me a goodbye kiss, I laughed, said night and walked out the door with no care about it all. Now I have my moments from my ex, most likely where I think if I'd react like that she'd bitch me out. But women do not do that to a man that leads her. She feels she f-ed up when such things happen, and it's interesting.

I told her the other night my view on relationship drama... "If she's being irrational you punish her with spankings. If she's being rational you apologize and take her to bed to f- her brains out".

Lol

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