03-05-2015, 02:54 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-21-2015, 02:01 AM by GlaizenGold777.)
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(01-13-2015, 08:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: You know, mixing methods means we cannot definitively know if the sub worked (or would have worked) or not...
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(02-17-2015, 01:56 PM)Shannon Wrote:(02-12-2015, 12:51 AM)LionKing Wrote:(02-11-2015, 08:32 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: And correct me if I'm wrong but I remember Shannon saying something along the lines of don't use other programming with the Subs.
First of all, I agree with you. Just wanted to add that its not quite that on/off. Not aiming for a comprehensive list here, but one could listen to the subs and:
1. live completely normally/on autopilot
2. set goals and consciously alter your behavior
3. practice mindfulness to notice your emotions and physical feelings, and let the troubling ones go
4. do explicit self-exploration and reorganizing/cleaning, e.g. Byron Katie's Work or other self-therapy method
5. go to a therapist
6. consciously and repeatedly monitor and direct your self-talk with the intention of positive programming, see The power of neuroplasticity
7. Do as in 4., but include specific mental-only releasing methods like the Sedona Method
8. Do as in 4., but include mental+physical releasing methods like tapping or PSTEC
9. Practice self-hypnosis
10. Add other subliminal programming, e.g. use a software to display flashing text on your computer screen
11. Go to a hypnotist
...and then you can of course to these for 1 hour a week or 5 hours a day. I'd set the limit between 6. and 7.
Multiple simultaneous mind programming methods are always a bad idea unless they are specifically designed to be used together.
I do not design my programs to be used with... hypnosis, self hypnosis, PSTEC, NLP, Sedona, etc.
We have had to get very specific in our refund policy because of people being so impatient that they always ignore the instructions, try to use multiple (often contradictory) methods at once, and then get upset with us when it doesn't work.
It is always best to use one mind programming method and one only. Find which one works for you and stick with it, but don't mix them.
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(01-13-2015, 09:06 AM)Shannon Wrote:(01-08-2015, 10:26 AM)Alta Wrote: Shannon, could you give a fuller explanation of why NLP should not be used with subs? (e.g. does it decrease the effectiveness of the sub, does it cause mental confusion, is it dangerous?)
To date, I have eliminated the following 3 Lefkoe beliefs (the Lefkoe method is essentially NLP) every 5 days or so (the length of time it normally takes for them to return):
What I have to say is not important
People aren't interested in what I have to say
It's dangerous to have people focus on me
(I don't do the NLP at the same time as listening to a sub, I should mention)
These beliefs have a HUGE impact on the quality of my life, and I find it hard to imagine never being able to eliminate them again. It is literally like a light switch - no confidence with the beliefs, complete confidence without them. At the same time, I love these subs and want to continue with them.
I've started listening to ASC in the hope that it might remove my reliance on NLP for confidence. If you could give some indication as to the effect of NLP with subs, it might make my staying away from NLP easier to endure until the sub's effects fully kick in. Alternatively, if it's ok to continue to eliminate these beliefs in the mean time then that would be a bonus
Many thanks
First, you cannot know what is doing what if you don't use them by themselves.
Second, you have scripting conflict potentials, but you also have potential goal conflicts that may or may not be obvious. Both of these can result in neutralization of results and/or unexpected and very strange results.
I can know how I build my programs. I can know how they're scripted, and how well, and how well I have vetted that script, and how well the program has been designed. I cannot know anything outside that. So when you use something else with subs (even another sub I produced at the same time) I cannot know how that will affect the original intent of the sub, and that means we are now in uncharted territory. Uncharted territory isn't good for programming your mind. The goal here is to help, not hinder.
If you use and like NLP, use it. If you use and like my subs, use them. But don't use them together. If you have to choose, choose the method that will give you long term or permanent results.
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(02-17-2015, 02:07 PM)Shannon Wrote:(02-17-2015, 01:58 PM)Mateunio Wrote:(02-17-2015, 01:45 PM)Shannon Wrote:(01-15-2015, 02:25 PM)jonathan4all Wrote: How about visualisation technique. It does not have any scripting method like Brainwave entertainments. For example, if I am running BASE but I am visualising getting an overall good grade in my school or a goal towards a particular type of woman. Will it hinder subliminal's result ? Shannon I will be glad if you clarify this.
Visualization will not hinder subliminal usage unless it directly conflicts, and even then is unlikely to hinder because:
- Most people don't know how to do it right.
- Most people don't do it right.
- Even if you do it right, you're dealing with a subiminal that is many times more powerful if it is being used correctly.
So visualization is unlikely to be a problem unless it directly conflicts and is properly done and powered.
And how to visualize right?
Doing it right requires very good focus. As in, no external distractions.
It requires practice, because both visualization and focus on one thing for 10 or 15 minutes are hard to do without practice.
It requires clarity of intent and goal. If you don't know specifically what you want, you won't get it.
Simultaneously, it requires you to know when to be vague; too specific on certain details (like faces, specific people, etc.) can get you in trouble.
It requires that you have emotional investment in the goal, and the visualization process.
It requires that you have passion for the goal and the visualization process must reflect that.
It requires that you perform your visualizations for at least 10 minutes a day, preferably 15, 20 or 30 if you can, every day.
It is best done at the same time every day.
It requires that you not self sabotage, but doing your visualization as intently, intensely and passionately and with as much focus as you can while you're doing it, and then drop it for the rest of the time. Don't think about it, look for it, etc. otherwise. Just do it and let it bet.
It requires emotional balance and clarity when you start. You can't be anxious, angry, frustrated, upset, etc. because those will corrupt your intent.
It requires that you visualize and experience, as clearly as possible, through all your senses and your emotions, the total reality of the goal already being true, and yourself enjoying it and explaining to others how you did it.
And last but not least, it requires that you infuse the process with sufficient energy, of the right polarity and type.
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(08-02-2014, 04:58 AM)Hold007 Wrote: thats my question can you do nlp sessions when listening to subliminals?
(09-10-2014, 05:08 PM)Shannon Wrote: It's not recommended, as once again, there is the possibility of scripting conflict. However, it can be done just as the use of hypnosis can be done while using subliminals, as long as the script does not conflict.
This may not always be true: 6G technology in one type (instant-on) uses state shifting technology heavily, which will conflict with and be disrupted by hypnosis and NLP.
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(12-07-2014, 12:15 PM)adotd Wrote: Hello, I have had a load of success with the previous subs that I have been listening to, and I'm currently using ASC, but was contemplating having hypnotherapy for a phobia I have of mice and rats, but was wondering if this would negatively effect the subliminal, or if it was directly advised against?
(12-09-2014, 11:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: There is a thread on this already. Hypnotherapy is altering mind programming. You should not use both subliminals and hypnotherapy at once unless they are both done by the same producer, and they are both aiming at the same goal.
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Shannon Wrote:RainbowAbyss Wrote: Shannon just curious-am I able to do Hypnotica's Sphinx of Imagination along side
the subliminals?. Its pretty much just a hypnotica story telling alongside music-I don't want to post a link for forum rule reasons but basically its just designed to help facilitate whatever one's goals are-its mostly all just metaphors-no real affirmations or anything
If it's not subliminals, and any hypnosis is not in direct conflict with the script or theme of the subliminals, you should be okay. For instance, you can't expect to use motivation and gratitude and have motivation work, because gratitude will make you feel like you already accomplished the goal, and kill your motivation.
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Shannon Wrote:mat422 Wrote: Thanks for the input Shannon. Your answers really resonated with me and how I've been feeling lately. I'm close to stepping away from that desire to label myself, the reason I say close is because I still feel it pulling at me and trying to pull me back. Right now I'm using a lot of willpower to redirect my mind when it starts moving to the negative and it's a bit draining, but I feel much better.
I actually finished alpha a couple of weeks ago. I was letting my brain rest for a while and then I was thinking of trying out the remove negativity within sub. What do you think?
Try cogitating and meditating on this concept:
I AM I
The desire for labels boils down to fear of the unknown, I think. With a label, there is some sort of structure, and structure is comforting. Without a label, it is "unknown" or "undefined". Define yourself by what you want to be! I know from my past that I am a strong, intelligent man, and I am capable of thinking differently and seeing things other people do not in life. I also know that I want to be financially independent, successful in business, finance, relationships with women, any future marriage, with raising any future children, and with changing the world to be a better place, I want to be free to travel, explore and express my wonder at the world around me, and become multi-lingual. I want to discover something nobody else has ever discovered, or do something nobody else has ever done. I want to share my discoveries and enrich the world by passing on what I know. So... what's my label?
There isn't one. Aside from maybe my name... and I am okay with that. Be at peace, my friend. All is as it should be. Growth is not always comfortable, but it is inevitable that you will get to where you are going.
RNW may be a very good choice for you.
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