(07-21-2014, 06:13 AM)LionKing Wrote: Those words "sexual conquest" jumped out at me. I know it increases sex drive, but I'd still hope its your choice if you want to see women as conquest or not....But yeah, the single-minded focus on sex will probably get old at some point, hence WM.
My understanding is that when you do a program like SM it focuses you completely on achieving its outcomes hence the words "sexual conquest" that I intended to mean a series of sexual encounters.
(07-21-2014, 06:13 AM)LionKing Wrote: Its a different vibe, have you read this:
http://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-What-s...and-WM-2-0
Yeah, that and other posts. I've asked about the difference before and been referred to a few posts by Shannon. I understand the "raw sexual alpha" versus "playful social alpha" but I wanted to get some insight into why Shannon made that distinction and separation in his mind and then created two programs.
The more I try to articulate my thoughts the clearer it becomes that I believe SM is too focused on sex whereas WM is too unfocused.
Sex isn't an appropriate outcome in every situation because of our complex social systems. Even so, regardless of whether we act on that goal in any given situation, sex and sexual desire are at the core of all inter sexual relationships.
Although sex and sexual desire is always present in the background in inter sexual relationships and sex is always the ultimate goal, sex is not always the only goal. For example, platonic friendship might be the goal at work or with a friend's girlfriend/boyfriend but only because it is inappropriate to act on the underlying sexual desire and goal of sex, not because it's absent. Nor should you want it to be absent. With tact and self-control, being sexually desirable gives social status and political power.
What we need in WM is a program that focuses on sex and sexual desire much like SM but recognises the complexity of human relationships, the appropriateness (or lack thereof) of acting on that sexual focus depending on context and that there are other goals above sex that are equally valid in inter sexual relationships.
Right now I feel that WM is focused on making beautiful single women available to you and helping you socialise with them and SM is focused on sex, sex and only sex. In my view, the first is a little bit pointless without an outcome and doesn't go far enough to make it comparable in value to SM and the second is far too narrowly focused to be appropriate for many peoples life situations.
