10-05-2013, 01:20 AM
(10-04-2013, 02:56 PM)smoothsam Wrote:(10-04-2013, 02:49 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(10-04-2013, 01:55 PM)Shannon Wrote: And I'm sure you don't accept the idea that our actions have consequences that return to us, or that the things we do that harm ourselves or others must be repaid in kind, but I can assure you that I have seen more than enough times in my life the evidence that leads me to believe that there is no action or choice that does not require balancing if it harms oneself and/or another.
I do, actually, I just don't have the same "morals" (right, wrong, harmful, etc) as you do.
Morality is subjective, like it or not.
As for the "Karma" thing, anything "bad" I do to someone, I assume they deserve it. Either they did something to reciprocate my "badness" or it will help them in their journey.
I believe that life is progressive, not a balancing act. Everything that happens or is done is for the ultimate continuation and benefit of the universe and it's life-forms.
Meanwhile, I would never do anything that would put myself at risk. I happen to believe in reincarnation, so if I can't do something this time around, I'll gladly wait for the next.
I really don't want to argue with you about this, because let's face it, we both believe strongly in what we believe (as does everyone) it does NOT, however, mean that you, or I, or ANYONE is completely 100% "right".
There is nothing but perceptions and opinions when it comes to "right or wrong".
Now, I'm thinking of using the Nazis as a great example of how people can justify anything and believe it's right, but it's overdone, and you could use the same thing for your argument, thus proving my point about morality, but also rendering the whole thing useless.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with me and enlightening me as you have before with the story of how you almost got shot, that was very much appreciated.
I do not, however, appreciate being labeled as someone who's just trying to escape responsibility for his actions. On the contrary, I accept everything I've ever done and can live with it. If you, or some woman's husband can't, that is your/their problem, but my conscience is clear.
If they shoot me, I get what I deserved for not taking necessary steps to ensure that wouldn't happen (which may, in truth, mean NOT sleeping with her to begin with), or whatever else might happen, I can accept it.
Keep in mind, from where I'm trying to go, I actually WANT women who are open enough with themselves that we can be sleeping together and still have other lovers. I believe this is THE way it should be. I have NO issue with women who sleep around, and neither (imho) should anyone else.
Live and let live, that's how I see it. If we are secure enough in ourselves, we don't need a partner to be exclusive. We cherish them enough to let them do their own thing, and we value their love enough to let it be shared.
The biggest problem I've always had with marriage and relationships was the "forsake all others" notion.
For my part, I have a BIG heart, and I just can't forsake anyone who I want to love or care for.
So yeah, I can accept that people might not be at my level and get pissed, angry, vindictive, murderous, spiteful, or whatever else. That, again, is THEIR problem to work with in ALL their lives, not just this one.
I do, however, resent statements that close the book on this issue which is important to me and, I would hope, everyone.
While monogamy has now become an accepted and 'right' way of life in many societies today where we are conditioned to believe that being faithful is natural, in fact, our primal urges are to be promiscuous.
Humans will be humans.
Sarge, while your thoughts are yours and yours only and I believe no one should have a right to change them or tell you what is right or wrong as you should decide that for yourself and make subsequent choices following your beliefs.
I strongly urge you to go out and test what your are claiming out in theory and see what the results are. It should become very clear in a few years as to how the universe really sort of works. But then that could change for year to year as well i.e. your thoughts and how the whole system works. I don't claim to know exactly how it works but I have sort of figured out bits and pieces about how it works for me. Could be my reality at the moment, who knows?
I am not sitting here on my high horse and being smug trying to tell you about how it is, you should test the waters yourself and then decide. Sitting here and talking about how it should be isn't doing anybody any good. Every person on the planet needs to learn things on their own.
I just know from experience the minor shitty things in the past that I thought wouldn't matter sorta came back ten fold and in the least ways expected and when it did and I thought about it I was like "DAMN! I am getting THIS for THAT", maybe my mind tried to cope with whatever I was going through bringing up that old stuff up and somehow connecting it but it happened too many times for it to be a coincidence anymore. I just know it now!
On another note, I would like a harem too with free love and lots of orgies,HAHA