What do you guys think of genetic adjustment scripting in subliminals?

[Javier Gerardo]

I believe that the source of initial fear is not biological.  I believe that experiencing your fears and focusing on them again and again trains the brain to make fear a habit, which can be un-learned.

I'm not currently thinking that genetic adjustment will be helpful for dealing with fear, although who knows.  Maybe it will be.  Right now, I'm working on making the MHS program heal you down to the smallest parts, and the models indicate that having a statement included that points that healing at your genetic material is beneficial.  That is what the first use of this technology would be.

If a certain fearful response was created by a stimulus then it was most likely also manifested on epigenetic level through methylation and acetylation. In this case affecting these areals could not even help, but it may be one of the key elements to regulate the fear to normal levels. 

We have been always thinking about fear as root of everything, but there is also the other way around. For example certain imbalances, infections or other elements on body level can cause fear as symptom. Think for example on someone with diabetes and low blood sugar. He might develop fear, but in this case it would be only a symptom and removing the fear wouldn’t change anything about the blood sugar level.

It's all a fear of death in one way or another.  The fear from diabetes would likely be fear of the consequences of that disease, pain, disability, cost - and death.  Fear would not be a symptom of anything, it would be a response.  

Removing fear would allow that person to live with a higher quality of life if they would otherwise have been afraid, and some say that a lot of diseases have their roots in fear; so perhaps diabetes is a symptom of fear instead?  In that case, removing the right fear would likely remove the disease.

I have seen a lot of different "disorders" you would never think to attribute to fear, but they turn out to be responses to... fear.

I did forget about it in the meantime, so I try again. I just saw too many things that indicate that biochemical changes can as well affect the psyche as the other way around. When I did put the example of diabetes I didn't have the root of diabetes in mind (which could have different causes), I had just the symptom of low blood sugar in mind. Low blood sugar can cause phychological symptoms like fear because there is simply not enough energy for the brain to function. The fear would be clearly a result of lack of glucosis, not the other way around.

Another example would be people who got intoxificated with heavy metals or chemical. Especially these with certain heavy metal toxicity were more likeley to be more fearful, less social active and more likely depressed. That's also because heavy metals can block enzymes which affect the biochemical balance and cause mental symptoms, especially if they become accumulated in the brain. Again it is not fear which caused the intoxification but the intoxification caused symptoms through biochemical imbalance and/or neurodegeneration.

Last but not least there was an experiment with rats. Some were exposed to some kind of stimuli which created a fear response after some time. Later the rats prevented being in that area which could cause pain even if it wasn't active anymore, but it was not surprising at all. The surprising thing was that even two generations later the rats had a similar response like the grandfather generation. The scientists concluded that this response has become hardcoded in through epigenetic changes. The control group didn't have the response at all.

So if fear or the trigger can also become hardcoded in people then it might not be surprising that there is so much fear around. I think especially about European countries now, where the grandparents were involved at the WWII. I guess they had a lot of fear.

So I know, you have a lot of knowledge I don't have the slightly idea of but I think you are wrong with seeing fear as a one way way response only.

Understanding fear as I do now has taken me a long, long time to accomplish, and I allow the evidence to guide me.  I am open to all evidence that is provable, and so your reference to the study in rats makes an intriguing point.  My argument is not to prove you wrong, but to get you to prove yourself right.  If you can do that, or come close enough to warrant further investigation, I am open to that.  And I believe that you have done that here.  Thank you for providing me with more options to consider in this endeavor.  It has become extremely difficult to find new options to move the FRM forward recently.

This was a very interesting discussion and read especially for me who is currently battling an illness for months. In my personal experience, fear has been a factor in my illness either before I have it and currently that I have it. I say before, because through all these years I've had an issue with my digestion but it only flared up worse only recently. Before I can say I have more digestion problems whenever I am under stress and fear. For instance I feel nauseous when I will do something fearful like speaking in front of a crowd. Another instance is that as I was growing up and going to school, I always look down upon and made fun of if I will go to the comfort room to take a poop. I also laugh at guys who did the same. As such I spend the majority of my studying years and even up to the times I work being fearful of being pointed out that I take a poop. My digestion suffered as a result of such and also when I travel, I began worrying I might have the urge to take a poop. Anyhow, now that my digestion problems got worse it probably contributed to what I am experiencing. But its weird since I work from home when this started and even though I'm still fearful of pooping my pants I didn't get to have that moment since I most of the time stayed at home.

The issue now with fear is that nowadays with my sickness, I am highly fearful of it getting worse and as Shannon has said here, death. I fear death that even though I'm doing my best to improve my situation, I'm still fearful that my illness will brought my demise. Somehow I feel it is like a cloud looming over me. Even though my family has insisted that my sickness is minor and I will get better, I fear that I will go down because of it. Not to mention I am fearful of the pain I am experiencing and even worse, the pain I feel might worsen. I have more thoughts about this and will write them in my MHS v2 journal.

By the way is it beneficial that the Fear Removal Module is not present in MHS v2? I think it can help those who's sickness was brought upon by fear as what some have said here.