Turning Over A New Leaf - DMSI V3.3.1-D

[Shannon]

I wasn't expecting to be called a troll for simply journaling my experience wow...

If I was calling you a troll, I would have decided you were a troll and you'd have been banned.  I'm not calling you a troll, but that does seem one of the few options we have left to explain your particular situation, so I included it.  

I'm not in some attempt to "prove you wrong" on anything either. I don't even see the purpose of doing that to someone on the other side of the internet. Again, I have better things to do with my time. I merely want to achieve the goals of this program, if that is possible.

I hope not, because that would be a ridiculous waste of your time and mine.

I've simply never had those "gorgeous girls" sexually attracted to me in my life despite trying, I've been rejected each time I've tried to escalate myself as well, so it seems massively far fetched currently due to it NEVER happening before. I think the implications of that are being grossly underestimated.

Not in the slightest.  The problem is that you either cannot comprehend one specific point I keep making over and over, or refuse to see it.  That is, you are insisting on the past.  "It has always been like this, so it always must be like this."  We have been over this at least four times now.  I think personally that you're just refusing to get it because that possibility scares you so much.

If you look at life, the only constant is change.  It takes effort to resist that.   

You seem to have this view that I just randomly "decided" that "gorgeous girls don't like me" with zero basis and without trying to ask them out etc.

No, I believe that you have decided that females are a threat, and you must protect yourself from them at any and all costs.  And to preserve that, again at any and all cost, you are shaping anything and everything to that goal.  

Basis doesn't matter, because that is the past.  The past is over.  We aren't living in the past, we are living in the now, and in the now you have a clean slate to do and experience whatever you choose to.  You keep choosing to experience what you have already experienced, which is failure.  The only reason you could be doing that is if you have some sort of brain damage that makes other courses of action impossible, or if you are choosing to do so as a way to avoid fear.  ALL of your issue stems from this one point: you keep insisting that because it happened that way in the past, it must happen that way in the future.  This is false, faulty logic, and limiting thinking that holds you where you are.  People say what they want you to think, and then they do the truth; this means, whatever we have is what we truly want, and in your case, it is apparently this:

I am indeed a virgin, never had a girlfriend, a date, or kissed a girl.

You have apparently shaped your personal identity around and based it so heavily on being a virgin and a failure with women that you are apparently afraid for that to change because you wouldn't know what to replace it with.  If you identify as "an alcoholic", what are you going to do?  What an alcoholic does: drink too much alcohol, thus perpetuating the identity of "alcoholic".  In your case, I think you're holding onto and hiding behind "I am a virgin".  You may be a virgin, but you don't have to be, and you could change that today if you really wanted to, in more than one way, I'm sure.  You have to start looking at yourself as being something less limiting than "a virgin at 37".  Virginity doesn't really make sense as an identity.  But if this is correct, and you have grasped this as your core identity, then you need to change that to focus on something else that doesn't limit you by self perpetuation.

it's hard to truly BELIEVE in it. It's a complete 180 from my reality.[/quote]

Limiting beliefs.  As long as you believe these things, you will experience that reality.  What you have is the result of what you believe to be true.  Since what you believe to be true is those things, that is the reality you create for yourself.  

I know you've said before you need to believe it's possible, which surprised me because I remember reading how belief isn't required for the subs in the FAQ. But if it's never happened one time all along, for decades now, I don't see how that's easily achieved without massive crushing evidence to the contrary that the old paradigm no longer exists and at least one or two DO find me sexually attractive and act on it clearly to me. Chicken and the egg I guess.

There is a big difference between believing it's possible to experience something other than what you have, which is blatant common sense, and what you're interpreting it as, which is "belief is required for the sub to work".

To execute the subliminal and achieve the results, you do not need to believe that the subliminal works.  Subliminals can and do work whether or not you "believe in them" if they are properly made and used.

You do need to stop intentionally blocking yourself from executing and achieving the goal by insistently believing things that prevent that outcome.  Big difference.  

You, sir, are the elephant with the golden chain around his foot.  And your limits are your choice and your doing, on purpose, because you fear the alternative.  You have created this mental prison for yourself to avoid what the goals of DMSI are.  You refuse to execute the script, so it cannot take effect, because of that fear.  

This requires that you choose to believe what you want to believe instead of what is actually there, because otherwise you might have to change, experience change, and face or overcome your fears.  

Which just adds fuel to this fire, makes the belief even stronger then!

You are stuck in a cycle of failure in this case, we can surely agree on that.  Why?  Because you insist on using as input, the wrong data.

Point #1: WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS IN THE PAST, AND THE FUTURE CAN BE WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE FOR IT TO BE.  The past != the future.

Point #2: Your beliefs result in your choice, which result in your actions, which result in your results.

Point #3: You keep insisting on building and basing your beliefs on the past.  The past has only been failure.  If you really want to have sex, or have a relationship, or change any of this, you have to stop doing what doesn't work.  How many times have you tried and failed, and the  "logically" concluded that "Well this must be the way it is and always be, because this is how it always happens."?  That leads to beliefs, which lead to choices, which lead to actions, which lead to results that:

    A) You have already done before, and

    B) DON'T WORK for achieving sex. That ONLY works for achieving more of what you already have!

Point #4: To have DMSI fail for you to the degree that it has means you are making a concerted effort to prevent it from working.  We know this because we have seen it work for those who did not resist, more than once.

Point #5: If you start basing your beliefs on what will allow you to achieve those goals (sex, relationships, etc.) you will at the very least open the door to experiencing them (make them POSSIBLE), and more than likely, you will end up experiencing them.  You keep insisting on "evidence before you believe", but you keep ignoring the evidence or intentionally interpreting it in ways that summarily invalidate it in order to maintain your current status quo of beliefs, choices, actions and results.  If you refuse to believe that what you want is at least possible to achieve, then two things are true:

     A) You are making the choice to close the door on making them possible to achieve by doing so, and that choice is based on an underlying intent and goal that is thereby what you are truly wanting to achieve instead.

     B) You are wasting your time trying.  As long as you hold the door shut and then complain that it won't open YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME and trying to distract yourself and everyone else from the fact that YOU ARE HOLDING THAT DOOR SHUT BY CHOICE, because what you really want is what's motivating you to hold it shut.

So your solution? Change your beliefs that the present and the future and present must be the same as the past.  Stop holding shut the door to the future you claim to want being possible.  Open that door by choosing to accept the reality (and fact) that ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.  Then you have the possibility of achieving what you want, and you can work towards actually making it happen, instead of constantly banging on the door to open that YOU ARE HOLDING SHUT.

I feel if I don't try anything, they don't act out design goal and nothing happens.

Are you achieving design goal by trying what you're trying?  Are feelings logical?  The answer to both is no.  And if doing nothing results in the exact same thing, why then would you worry about it?  Just report and give me feedback so I can make adjustments.

And if I have tried to force it and escalate on my own without waiting for them to do it like design goal desires to do someday, it's a rejection or non-response. Which further fuels the belief again!

I never said you had to avoid trying with DMSI, but it should be pretty obvious at this point that whatever it is you are doing, isn't working.  Why would you keep doing the same thing when you know it doesn't work?  And why do you insist on basing your beliefs on what you know doesn't work?  Is it because you really want what you already have, and this is how you maintain that status quo at any and all costs?  I think it is.

It's a circle that I feel only a massive paradigm shift based off clear real life results can break, ultimately.

You're partly right.  You definitely do need a massive paradigm shift, but the results you insist on having before you make that paradigm shift are what comes after the shift, not before.  And again, you said you "feel" it, which means you're not thinking with logic, but emotions, which are the antithesis of logic.  Which explains why you are stuck in this cycle of failure.  You keep insisting on having the results that come after the required change, in order to be willing to make the required change that will result in those results.  That is about as illogical as it gets.

I feel it's unfair to criticise the logic, when the logic is merely receiving feedback from women.

Unfair to criticize the logic?  There is no logic, my friend.  Logic states that when you do X and it doesn't work, and you do it again a thousand more times and it still doesn't work, it probably failed because you're doing it wrong and the solution to that is to change something.  You never change anything.  The only change you allow in is a different version of DMSI, which so far you have always responded to the same way: prevent execution.  Logically if the response you have had from women is consistently negative, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.  Logically that means YOU CHANGE SOMETHING.  And logically, if as you have said before, nothing you have tried has worked, THE PROBLEM MUST BE YOU.  Which means THE CHANGE MUST BE IN YOU!  And that change must logically be to something that has otherwise not changed during all this time, and the only thing that hasn't changed in all this time is... YOUR BELIEFS!

Feedback that has only been negative for a lifetime, zero positive feedback, something that again I feel is being seriously underestimated in it's scope and ability to cripple you.

 

That feedback can only cripple if you respond to it in a way that allows it to cripple you.  First and foremost, you have the problem here that you believe that what those women have responded with defines you and your identity.  You are not understanding the feedback as it really is.  What it really is, is them saying, "You're not ready yet, there's something wrong still."  Not "You're a loser and you will always be a loser and I will never accept or have sex with you."

Stop framing it as gospel that can't be changed and start considering it an opinion and constructive criticism instead.  "Okay, that didn't work.  It's nothing personal, but I must be doing something wrong, understanding something wrong, so I need to make changes to my understanding (beliefs) and my choices and actions to get different results."  

"Get over it" or "believe the exact opposite of what has proven itself true your whole life with zero evidence to support it" isn't going to cut it.

 

Nothing has "proven itself true your whole life" except that you need to think differently than you do in order to achieve the goals you say you have.  That is the common denominator here.  Your thinking.  And your thinking is based on your beliefs.  Your beliefs are what you have accepted as true, and they result in what you choose, what you do, and what you experience.  You don't need to "believe the exact opposite of what has proven itself true your whole life", you need to understand your logic errors in believing that what you thought was proven true was proven true!

Because when I do that, I try and dare to be great, ask one out, it falls flat, I feel like shit again, and it gets reinforced slightly. I can't seem to dig myself out, even if I TRY to ask them out!

 

Okay, so you have tried to do what I am saying to do, and it hasn't worked for you.  But that's because you're still not following some things.  Once again... if what you have always tried to do has always failed, you have to change something.  You have to approach it differently, do it differently, frame it differently, something.  

Secondly, why would you feel like shit if a woman turns you down for a date?  It's not personal.  It is just her deciding not to go on a date with you.  You're framing it in far too personal terms here.  Consider this: what would you feel like if you walked up to a 5/10 and asked her out and she rejected you?  Would you feel bad because "gosh, she's just a 5 and she rejected me" or would you respond with "your loss, lady"?  If you didn't say "Your loss", you're basing your personal self worth on her response to you.  That means you don't look within yourself to find your self worth, and that is ALWAYS going to fail.  If you take a woman's rejection as an indicator of your personal self worth, as it seems you do, then you need to change that belief too, the one that says: "I look to her to tell me what to think of myself."  No, you have that backwards.  YOU decide what to think of yourself, and then when you have done that, everything else will fall into place.  

It's just like when I was learning how to make an exposure properly in photography.  You do the key right, and everything else is automatically right.  If you expose the most important tone of the image subject correctly. all the other tones are all automatically exposed correctly.  

If you base your self esteem, self worth and self respect on your own beliefs and choices, then you will never be asking anyone else what your worth is, and they will never reject you for doing so.  This is a big point, I think: women will smell this miles away.  Asking her what your value is, automatically assigns you a low value, and she will reject that.  

Think about this.  You are approaching a woman you think is gorgeous.  This woman doubtless has lots of guys interested, probably all the time.  This would make her believe that she is of high value, socially, sexually and romantically.  She naturally wants to find a man who is AT LEAST as valuable as she is in those directions.  Then you show up and through your actions, body language and choices, you say to her, "Am I good enough?"  Instantly she knows the answer is a solid, resounding NO!  Why?  Because nobody on or above her level would ever ask her that!  They already know they're good enough!

I need REAL positive results in reality with these kinds of girls to dig out of the hole, I see no other way.

And that is why you're stuck in this cycle of failure.  You are again insisting on getting the result of the change in order to be willing and able to make the change that results in the desired outcome.  That is illogical.  It also fails every time, which you may have noticed.

Unless, a workaround may be to massively enhance the self esteem/limiting beliefs area of the sub. Maybe something about old past events connected to those, and either reframing the impact, or making you let go of the impact. Kind of a "fake it until you make it" option.

That's all been there for ages.  You refuse to execute.  I enhance it, you defeat it.  I enhance it, you defeat it.  There's not much left for me to try in that direction without taking away your freedom of choice, which I will never do.

Personally, I think it will boil down to at least some aspects of the sub being forced. I don't know, I don't see too many other ways around it. Some patterns are burned in by decades of clear precedents in cases, completely opposite to what the program says is possible. So, it seems to me, it will boil down to one of two scenarios:

1. You make the sub work where very attractive women, ones we realistically believed beforehand were out of our league, "aggressively pursue us for sex". Thus helping us past the old paradigms in our heads by showing clear results in reality...

OR

2. Some parts of the sub that need the mind reframing things or dealing with limiting beliefs etc. or whatever other issues these relate to, may need to be auto'd.  [/quote]

I think that all you need to do is:

1. Stop basing your self image, identity, self esteem and self worth on what others say, do, think, and

2. Stop insisting on getting the results before you make the changes that will result in those results.

These are all choices.  What you're telling me is that you are unwilling to do what is necessary to achieve your own goals, and you want me to take away your freedom of choice to achieve them.  If that's really the case, you don't really want them.  You want what you have.  Which we already knew by your results.

I don't know, Shannon, I don't envy your position. People, including myself in the past which I've felt guilty about often, have put you up on this pedestal to somehow slay the demons in our minds that have thrived and ruled over us for decades. All the girls of my past, I expected you to wipe them all aside through this program and allow me to be the man I've always wished I could be. Ridiculous pressure to put on you, I'm really sorry for that. That's why for a long time I've taken a back seat and tried to be much more cavalier about it, it wasn't fair to expect all that. And it seemed to be hitting a brick wall anyway, so I've just taken a far more relaxed approach to the program and it's future to stop feeling so disappointed like I did in the past. If I've struggled dealing with my past, I can hardly expect somebody else to handle it FOR me.

It's not about pressure on me.  It's about those two things I said above.  You have at least one part of you that is dead set on staying where you are forever, and you have a part that wants change.  The part(s) dead set on status quo are stronger than the one that wants change.  They are, in at least one case, NOT LOGICAL.  What kind of fucked-up "logic" is it to demand that someone catch a ball in order for you to throw the ball to them?  You keep insisting on getting the outcome.  You refuse to make happen the things that result in that outcome until you get it.  This means you can never get that outcome, because you won't do what results in that outcome, because you didn't have that outcome.  That is the epitome of illogical thinking!

1. Stop basing your self image, identity, self esteem and self worth on what others say, do, think, and

2. Stop insisting on getting the results before you make the changes that will result in those results.

Not to mention, I know how you don't want to remove free will, I get it. So I look at things and think to myself often "okay, so this program is supposed to get women we find sexually attractive, find US sexually attractive, BECAUSE we find them sexually attractive, and to the degree we find them sexually attractive, and then aggressively pursue us to have sex with them". Now, if we take my "gorgeous girls" that are around me let's say, girls I flunked out of in the past in various ways at various times. I just fail to see how if there's no free will forcing, how this program will even work to make them want me now. Seems it'll just be a stalemate, as I'm not their "type" for whatever reason, and nothing happens. I'm not saying we SHOULD be forcing them to like us, I doubt that's even possible anyway. My point is I don't see how the program can work on girls given the above. It doesn't help that I haven't felt such attraction first hand from one of them to know it's realistic for me also, I suppose. But still, that example gives me big doubts about the program as it always has, I don't see how anything happens in that situation. Or even how the program is actually supposed to work, from a theory standpoint. I've never really understood that, but I'm not really into the whole aura scene thing, I admit.

It's supposed to get them to find you sexually attractive because you influenced their energy the right way.  Not "because you find them sexually attractive".  Baseline will affect any woman.  Those you find attractive enough, will become the focus of your energy and be influenced more.  This really isn't anything different than we already do every day without realizing it, except I have magnified it a lot.

And you also don't understand how the CERN Collider works, but you know it does.  Knowing and understanding how and why something works doesn't make it work.  DMSI can and does work regardless of whether or not you understand how - you just have to get out of your own way with limiting beliefs and responses.

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