03-18-2019, 08:55 PM
Hmm...well in a sense I wish I WAS just trolling and really was living an amazing life executing with beautiful women...I wish that so badly...I've dreamed of being "that guy" my entire life. I wasn't expecting to be called a troll for simply journaling my experience wow...
I appreciate the detailed message, Shannon. I wondered whether you saw it or not, and I know you were previously on your break. I felt the need to try to journal again to help R&D, to give you info, in return for the forum cleanse as that is a gesture I and others appreciate. It's the least I can do even if I haven't enjoyed it much in the past.
I'm happy for you that you found someone. That's fantastic. However, I can't think of many cases of clear design goal so far in this version, from guys that weren't already getting results with women like NoLimit for example. He got great results before he has said in the past, and also did so on previous versions. Overall, epic results seem to be the exception more than the rule currently. Which is to be expected still, don't get me wrong. My point is that my results aren't atypical based off what I've seen, I felt my situation was being labelled as the minority which I don't feel is the case at all. It seems there's a way to go yet with development.
To clarify, I'm not trolling, I have far better things to do with my time. I'm grateful for my time here and wouldn't want to squander it, or your time, with nonsense like that.
I'm not in some attempt to "prove you wrong" on anything either. I don't even see the purpose of doing that to someone on the other side of the internet. Again, I have better things to do with my time. I merely want to achieve the goals of this program, if that is possible.
I just wanted to try to give something to the forum to help advance the sub in my posts if possible. And to pay back the debt of goodwill the IML team gave the forum recently. If my posts aren't of value, I can stop. I'm not here wasting time trolling, but if that impression has been taken somehow, obviously my post isn't of value or is deemed redundant. Fair enough, I just wanted to try to contribute something for R&D again in the hopes something of value could be found.
I am indeed a virgin, never had a girlfriend, a date, or kissed a girl. I'm 37. I don't like stating all that, obviously no guy would. But just to clear the air, there it is.
I've simply never had those "gorgeous girls" sexually attracted to me in my life despite trying, I've been rejected each time I've tried to escalate myself as well, so it seems massively far fetched currently due to it NEVER happening before. I think the implications of that are being grossly underestimated. You seem to have this view that I just randomly "decided" that "gorgeous girls don't like me" with zero basis and without trying to ask them out etc. I have asked them out many times over my life, both before the program, and during the program, although in the last few years I've really slowed down on trying and asking. Not to say it's impossible for it to occur, but never having experienced it in my life, it's hard to truly BELIEVE in it. It's a complete 180 from my reality. I know you've said before you need to believe it's possible, which surprised me because I remember reading how belief isn't required for the subs in the FAQ. But if it's never happened one time all along, for decades now, I don't see how that's easily achieved without massive crushing evidence to the contrary that the old paradigm no longer exists and at least one or two DO find me sexually attractive and act on it clearly to me. Chicken and the egg I guess. Especially when I do continue to attempt to date girls when I try to make the first move after not seeing much design goalish behaviour from them so I figure I should at least try to do something myself, I get rejected or they don't reply to a text/message to go out etc. I seem to hit this "wall" in front of them, I can never breakthrough to be a guy they find attractive somehow, always the friend nice/funny/charming guy that just mysteriously never actually gets them attracted to me. Which just adds fuel to this fire, makes the belief even stronger then! I feel if I don't try anything, they don't act out design goal and nothing happens. And if I have tried to force it and escalate on my own without waiting for them to do it like design goal desires to do someday, it's a rejection or non-response. Which further fuels the belief again! It's a circle that I feel only a massive paradigm shift based off clear real life results can break, ultimately. I feel it's unfair to criticise the logic, when the logic is merely receiving feedback from women. Feedback that has only been negative for a lifetime, zero positive feedback, something that again I feel is being seriously underestimated in it's scope and ability to cripple you. "Get over it" or "believe the exact opposite of what has proven itself true your whole life with zero evidence to support it" isn't going to cut it. Because when I do that, I try and dare to be great, ask one out, it falls flat, I feel like shit again, and it gets reinforced slightly. I can't seem to dig myself out, even if I TRY to ask them out! I need REAL positive results in reality with these kinds of girls to dig out of the hole, I see no other way.
Unless, a workaround may be to massively enhance the self esteem/limiting beliefs area of the sub. Maybe something about old past events connected to those, and either reframing the impact, or making you let go of the impact. Kind of a "fake it until you make it" option.
Personally, I think it will boil down to at least some aspects of the sub being forced. I don't know, I don't see too many other ways around it. Some patterns are burned in by decades of clear precedents in cases, completely opposite to what the program says is possible. So, it seems to me, it will boil down to one of two scenarios:
1. You make the sub work where very attractive women, ones we realistically believed beforehand were out of our league, "aggressively pursue us for sex". Thus helping us past the old paradigms in our heads by showing clear results in reality...
OR
2. Some parts of the sub that need the mind reframing things or dealing with limiting beliefs etc. or whatever other issues these relate to, may need to be auto'd.
I don't know, Shannon, I don't envy your position. People, including myself in the past which I've felt guilty about often, have put you up on this pedestal to somehow slay the demons in our minds that have thrived and ruled over us for decades. All the girls of my past, I expected you to wipe them all aside through this program and allow me to be the man I've always wished I could be. Ridiculous pressure to put on you, I'm really sorry for that. That's why for a long time I've taken a back seat and tried to be much more cavalier about it, it wasn't fair to expect all that. And it seemed to be hitting a brick wall anyway, so I've just taken a far more relaxed approach to the program and it's future to stop feeling so disappointed like I did in the past. If I've struggled dealing with my past, I can hardly expect somebody else to handle it FOR me.
Not to mention, I know how you don't want to remove free will, I get it. So I look at things and think to myself often "okay, so this program is supposed to get women we find sexually attractive, find US sexually attractive, BECAUSE we find them sexually attractive, and to the degree we find them sexually attractive, and then aggressively pursue us to have sex with them". Now, if we take my "gorgeous girls" that are around me let's say, girls I flunked out of in the past in various ways at various times. I just fail to see how if there's no free will forcing, how this program will even work to make them want me now. Seems it'll just be a stalemate, as I'm not their "type" for whatever reason, and nothing happens. I'm not saying we SHOULD be forcing them to like us, I doubt that's even possible anyway. My point is I don't see how the program can work on girls given the above. It doesn't help that I haven't felt such attraction first hand from one of them to know it's realistic for me also, I suppose. But still, that example gives me big doubts about the program as it always has, I don't see how anything happens in that situation. Or even how the program is actually supposed to work, from a theory standpoint. I've never really understood that, but I'm not really into the whole aura scene thing, I admit.
Anyway, all the best to you. I hope your new project you're working on currently is paying off well. You truly deserve it.
Thanks again for taking the time to write to me. I'm sorry my post gave you a bad impression of me.
I appreciate the detailed message, Shannon. I wondered whether you saw it or not, and I know you were previously on your break. I felt the need to try to journal again to help R&D, to give you info, in return for the forum cleanse as that is a gesture I and others appreciate. It's the least I can do even if I haven't enjoyed it much in the past.
I'm happy for you that you found someone. That's fantastic. However, I can't think of many cases of clear design goal so far in this version, from guys that weren't already getting results with women like NoLimit for example. He got great results before he has said in the past, and also did so on previous versions. Overall, epic results seem to be the exception more than the rule currently. Which is to be expected still, don't get me wrong. My point is that my results aren't atypical based off what I've seen, I felt my situation was being labelled as the minority which I don't feel is the case at all. It seems there's a way to go yet with development.
To clarify, I'm not trolling, I have far better things to do with my time. I'm grateful for my time here and wouldn't want to squander it, or your time, with nonsense like that.
I'm not in some attempt to "prove you wrong" on anything either. I don't even see the purpose of doing that to someone on the other side of the internet. Again, I have better things to do with my time. I merely want to achieve the goals of this program, if that is possible.
I just wanted to try to give something to the forum to help advance the sub in my posts if possible. And to pay back the debt of goodwill the IML team gave the forum recently. If my posts aren't of value, I can stop. I'm not here wasting time trolling, but if that impression has been taken somehow, obviously my post isn't of value or is deemed redundant. Fair enough, I just wanted to try to contribute something for R&D again in the hopes something of value could be found.
I am indeed a virgin, never had a girlfriend, a date, or kissed a girl. I'm 37. I don't like stating all that, obviously no guy would. But just to clear the air, there it is.
I've simply never had those "gorgeous girls" sexually attracted to me in my life despite trying, I've been rejected each time I've tried to escalate myself as well, so it seems massively far fetched currently due to it NEVER happening before. I think the implications of that are being grossly underestimated. You seem to have this view that I just randomly "decided" that "gorgeous girls don't like me" with zero basis and without trying to ask them out etc. I have asked them out many times over my life, both before the program, and during the program, although in the last few years I've really slowed down on trying and asking. Not to say it's impossible for it to occur, but never having experienced it in my life, it's hard to truly BELIEVE in it. It's a complete 180 from my reality. I know you've said before you need to believe it's possible, which surprised me because I remember reading how belief isn't required for the subs in the FAQ. But if it's never happened one time all along, for decades now, I don't see how that's easily achieved without massive crushing evidence to the contrary that the old paradigm no longer exists and at least one or two DO find me sexually attractive and act on it clearly to me. Chicken and the egg I guess. Especially when I do continue to attempt to date girls when I try to make the first move after not seeing much design goalish behaviour from them so I figure I should at least try to do something myself, I get rejected or they don't reply to a text/message to go out etc. I seem to hit this "wall" in front of them, I can never breakthrough to be a guy they find attractive somehow, always the friend nice/funny/charming guy that just mysteriously never actually gets them attracted to me. Which just adds fuel to this fire, makes the belief even stronger then! I feel if I don't try anything, they don't act out design goal and nothing happens. And if I have tried to force it and escalate on my own without waiting for them to do it like design goal desires to do someday, it's a rejection or non-response. Which further fuels the belief again! It's a circle that I feel only a massive paradigm shift based off clear real life results can break, ultimately. I feel it's unfair to criticise the logic, when the logic is merely receiving feedback from women. Feedback that has only been negative for a lifetime, zero positive feedback, something that again I feel is being seriously underestimated in it's scope and ability to cripple you. "Get over it" or "believe the exact opposite of what has proven itself true your whole life with zero evidence to support it" isn't going to cut it. Because when I do that, I try and dare to be great, ask one out, it falls flat, I feel like shit again, and it gets reinforced slightly. I can't seem to dig myself out, even if I TRY to ask them out! I need REAL positive results in reality with these kinds of girls to dig out of the hole, I see no other way.
Unless, a workaround may be to massively enhance the self esteem/limiting beliefs area of the sub. Maybe something about old past events connected to those, and either reframing the impact, or making you let go of the impact. Kind of a "fake it until you make it" option.
Personally, I think it will boil down to at least some aspects of the sub being forced. I don't know, I don't see too many other ways around it. Some patterns are burned in by decades of clear precedents in cases, completely opposite to what the program says is possible. So, it seems to me, it will boil down to one of two scenarios:
1. You make the sub work where very attractive women, ones we realistically believed beforehand were out of our league, "aggressively pursue us for sex". Thus helping us past the old paradigms in our heads by showing clear results in reality...
OR
2. Some parts of the sub that need the mind reframing things or dealing with limiting beliefs etc. or whatever other issues these relate to, may need to be auto'd.
I don't know, Shannon, I don't envy your position. People, including myself in the past which I've felt guilty about often, have put you up on this pedestal to somehow slay the demons in our minds that have thrived and ruled over us for decades. All the girls of my past, I expected you to wipe them all aside through this program and allow me to be the man I've always wished I could be. Ridiculous pressure to put on you, I'm really sorry for that. That's why for a long time I've taken a back seat and tried to be much more cavalier about it, it wasn't fair to expect all that. And it seemed to be hitting a brick wall anyway, so I've just taken a far more relaxed approach to the program and it's future to stop feeling so disappointed like I did in the past. If I've struggled dealing with my past, I can hardly expect somebody else to handle it FOR me.
Not to mention, I know how you don't want to remove free will, I get it. So I look at things and think to myself often "okay, so this program is supposed to get women we find sexually attractive, find US sexually attractive, BECAUSE we find them sexually attractive, and to the degree we find them sexually attractive, and then aggressively pursue us to have sex with them". Now, if we take my "gorgeous girls" that are around me let's say, girls I flunked out of in the past in various ways at various times. I just fail to see how if there's no free will forcing, how this program will even work to make them want me now. Seems it'll just be a stalemate, as I'm not their "type" for whatever reason, and nothing happens. I'm not saying we SHOULD be forcing them to like us, I doubt that's even possible anyway. My point is I don't see how the program can work on girls given the above. It doesn't help that I haven't felt such attraction first hand from one of them to know it's realistic for me also, I suppose. But still, that example gives me big doubts about the program as it always has, I don't see how anything happens in that situation. Or even how the program is actually supposed to work, from a theory standpoint. I've never really understood that, but I'm not really into the whole aura scene thing, I admit.
Anyway, all the best to you. I hope your new project you're working on currently is paying off well. You truly deserve it.
Thanks again for taking the time to write to me. I'm sorry my post gave you a bad impression of me.
