09-12-2018, 08:35 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-12-2018, 08:37 AM by SargeMaximus.)
WARNING! MAJOR SPOILERS!!!
In "No More Mr. Nice Guy" we learn that "nice guys" (often anything but "nice") are often a product of absentee fathers and single mothers... *cough* Kylo *cough cough*
Although I agree, we could be reading into it, but it IS there.
I hated lost btw. Despite Damon being in it (which I did not know at the time)
Ok but, let's be fair, every movie ever has a vibe of "the good guys win" So in that sense, they ALL have the same vibe.
For me, TLJ had some awesome moments: R2 showing Luke the hologram that started it all to remind him of what it's all about (hey, I can nerdgasm too!), Yoda speaking of failure (this was AMAZING imo. Too many people think failure is a failure and end up like Luke. I see it every day in sales, people who are beaten by life but they miss the point. And I'm glad the writers/directors or whomever made that point in the movie as it's something society, as a whole, needs to internalize. "I've failed over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed" - Michael Jordan), Luke's death (I actually didn't want him to die, but it was poetic in a sense he died just like Obiwan without it being blatantly obvious or copy-paste like some scenes in Rogue One),
The only scene/part I had an absolute detestment to was Leah's spacewalk. My god. Talk about the shit in the punch. Carrie Fisher died so it was the perfect place to let Leah die. I thought that was it and I was tearing up thinking "This is brilliant!"... till those fingers moved.... Bruh.
Anyhow, yeah great movie, especially the part where Luke is gonna kill Kylo but he reconsiders, but Kylo wakes up and doesn't know he's reconsidered, and he reacts as you'd expect him to, and it's tragic because he feels betrayed so you can see why he'd act the way he does. I can't fault Kylo at all for who he is. Very juicy movie. Lots of meat. Some stupidity (monte carlo/free the horses shit) and the shit of course but mostly, fantastic. What star wars movie doesn't have a stupid part anyways?
(09-11-2018, 06:40 AM)RTBoss Wrote:(09-08-2018, 03:45 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: Episode 7 seemed quite symbolic / metaphorical. The main message being that the masculine / musculinity is being killed / dead.
Kylo Ren (the feminine) kills Han Solo (the masculine).
Also, Han Solo (Clint Eastwood / John Wayne / masculine type movies) are now dead, killed by Kylo Ren (political correctness / politically correct movies).
Yeah, I know Kylo Ren is a dude, but man is he campy / effeminate.
So Kylo is effeminate because he's emotional? Let's go back to the prequels and look at Anakin. Kylo is much more like Anakin (was he not whiny as hell?), than Han. If we pay attention, it seems clear that Han was an absentee father, and Kylo had no one but his mother (also likely more involved with government than raising her son). If Kylo's character had just been some carbon-copy of Han, that would have lazy writing indeed. Kylo is a villain with some depth, for a change. I love the original trilogy, but if I'm honest with myself, talk about one-dimensional characters.
I like the symbolism you've come up with, but I'm not sure JJ and Kasdan mapped that out as they wrote the script. It reminds me of Lost, when people had all sorts of theories that read into or went way beyond the author's intent.
In "No More Mr. Nice Guy" we learn that "nice guys" (often anything but "nice") are often a product of absentee fathers and single mothers... *cough* Kylo *cough cough*
Although I agree, we could be reading into it, but it IS there.
I hated lost btw. Despite Damon being in it (which I did not know at the time)
(09-11-2018, 04:38 PM)apollolux Wrote:(09-10-2018, 11:13 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:(09-10-2018, 04:58 PM)apollolux Wrote: I've probably said it in this thread already (I've forgotten if I have), but my primary issue with episodes 7 & 8 is that they try too hard to be like eps 4 & 5 without understanding why SW fans enjoyed 4 & 5.How can you even say that about Episode 8?? It was a refreshing change to have a somewhat original story in star wars for once.
While I agree that the story of ep 8 is more original than some detractors may give it credit for (I certainly don't remember another Star Wars where the Rebellion crashes the party at Space Monte Carlo to find Neo to help them hack The Matrix), the vibe of the thing is more like ep 5 than I would have preferred. I don't remember if it was in this thread or if it was a video like one on the Film Theory channel, but describing TLJ as having a vibe of "failure" was a pretty fair assessment, and that overarching failure vibe and how that failure is depicted and progresses is similar enough to ESB in my opinion to at the very least be an homage.
Ok but, let's be fair, every movie ever has a vibe of "the good guys win" So in that sense, they ALL have the same vibe.
For me, TLJ had some awesome moments: R2 showing Luke the hologram that started it all to remind him of what it's all about (hey, I can nerdgasm too!), Yoda speaking of failure (this was AMAZING imo. Too many people think failure is a failure and end up like Luke. I see it every day in sales, people who are beaten by life but they miss the point. And I'm glad the writers/directors or whomever made that point in the movie as it's something society, as a whole, needs to internalize. "I've failed over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed" - Michael Jordan), Luke's death (I actually didn't want him to die, but it was poetic in a sense he died just like Obiwan without it being blatantly obvious or copy-paste like some scenes in Rogue One),
The only scene/part I had an absolute detestment to was Leah's spacewalk. My god. Talk about the shit in the punch. Carrie Fisher died so it was the perfect place to let Leah die. I thought that was it and I was tearing up thinking "This is brilliant!"... till those fingers moved.... Bruh.
Anyhow, yeah great movie, especially the part where Luke is gonna kill Kylo but he reconsiders, but Kylo wakes up and doesn't know he's reconsidered, and he reacts as you'd expect him to, and it's tragic because he feels betrayed so you can see why he'd act the way he does. I can't fault Kylo at all for who he is. Very juicy movie. Lots of meat. Some stupidity (monte carlo/free the horses shit) and the shit of course but mostly, fantastic. What star wars movie doesn't have a stupid part anyways?
