Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[SargeMaximus]

Not the looks argument again.

Bro I’m looking better than I have in my life and women don’t approach me as much anymore. My grooming is better than ever and same deal. Also, I can tell you that after a short convo with a girl it’s obvious my verbals are a major turn off. This despite everyone telling me I’m an 8 and when I got laid everyone said it was my looks lol. It’s not, verbals play a huge part. Probably 80%+

EDIT: Although I should add that there is those instances where the girl just likes you so much she ignores all the shitty verbals and whatever and I believe that's what we are trying to get to in DMSI. But till then, I truly believe verbals rule the day.

I even know a guy from work who says he knows a guy who is butt ugly and pulls like nothing so yeah. I've also personally seen more than a few hot hot HOT girls with fat or ugly guys while on DMSI. Kissing each other sometimes too. So yeah.

yup another argument on looks and how PUA is trash v PUA and game is all you need to pull hot girls

As far I got it he wasn't even talking about PUA but about conversation/social skills in general. I can very much identify with what he said because women seem attracted to me but as far I open my mouth - game over.

Yeah exactly.

Although if we wanna bring up PUA, I'll say that recently, unless I'm running PUA tactics, women don't even respond to me. I got my first ioi in a LONG time today using a PUA tactic. Controlled, calculated, and not at all natural, but I forced myself to do it and right on queue: ioi.