Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[CatMan]

Shannon a friend of mine gets attached to women very easily and then they seem to run away. What I would like to do is for you to make a recommendation on which sub he should be buying from you I am guessing DMSI but I wanted to pass this by you first.

When they run away and he asks whats wrong. The girls say they are not use to a guy being so nice to them ?. He has read lots of PUA stuff and seems to know alot from the intellectual standpoint however he still has this problem.

That brings back memories .
When he'll understand the true meaning of pain he'll stop that behavior right away. That's the only thing that killed my neediness and exaggerated attachment to women back when I was way dumber than now.
Pain is the greatest teacher, they say.

If I knew subs at this time I'd have ran E or E2 I think.

Seriously, sounds like me for 99% of my life, lol :/. To be 100% real. Sounds very much like my history with women.

The last year or so I seem to have gone the opposite way, with the "IDGAF" almost being too much now, inhibiting any real interest and making me not bother mostly. Or, what I believe is more likely, what has set in is just a general fatigue with the effort spent on women for zero return, with failure with them. And coming to the conclusion the juice isn't worth the squeeze to me anymore so losing mass interest in women and limiting their previous overarching influence over my feelings and perception of myself. Could be a good thing, a "level up", depending on how you look at it. As "IDGAF" seems to be a part of attraction weirdly. I've often seemingly been penalised with low or zero interest by women for treating them well. With guys, once and awhile you misjudge and do something for a guy that ends up being an ungrateful loser, but usually I find dudes are appreciative. This seems to be a localised women problem. So I've had to adapt my behaviour with them to try to prevent it, isn't easy to do. I try my best.

I do know they are nowhere near the focus for me they used to be, I believe it boils down to one of the two scenarios above. I lean towards the second one, seems to "fit" my feelings about women more. Some kind of feeling of futility. We'll see if V3.3 can shake things loose or not for this. I admit, I'm not a believer in the program yet. Who knows what will happen.