SargeMaximus: I Feel It Coming, Part II [DMSI 3.1 A Invalid Tester]

[Determined]

Went to a used bookstore today to buy Bill Clinton's Biography, "My Life".

I had it before, then gave it away, now I want it again since Bill Clinton's charisma and people skills is legendary.

Anyhow, when there, the older woman helping me stopped by a cart and picked up the book "Crucial Conversations" and then set it down.

It was such a perfect moment I bought that book as well (we did end up finding Clinton's book, after another associate came and helped).

Anyhow, reading that book at the moment and the information is profound and potent.

It's streamlined to efficiently provide the why's as well as the how's without taking up too much space. Just my kind of book and I'm already seeing what has been going on in conversations I've had with people in all areas of my life.


I'm also starting to understand the solution and how to practice it, and I'm only about 1/4 through.

I'm not entirely sure how much use his biography would be in learning Charisma but if you're getting value from it then good for you.

This is a blog post on the Tim Feriss blog regarding Bill Clinton's Charisma. While he does get a few things right, he mistakenly attributes his Charisma to eye contact over what's really going on (which is his presence).

https://tim.blog/2010/11/21/bill-clinton...ion-field/

In the 3 step process he places step 3 as being physically present with your audience which is crucial.

In that link I sent you via PM "Charisma training" the owner and head coach delineates Charisma and charm in this manner
Charm: the ability to make whomever you speak to the centre of your world I.e being completely present with them
Charisma: the ability to create emotional spikes in your audience

The art of charisma is creating the intended emotional spikes in your audience.
Think of a bad boy who women can't get enough of. Unknowingly he's creating all kinds of emotional spikes for her (good and bad) which sends her on an emtional roller coaster and gets her addicted. Or a Hollywood movie which uses advanced story telling to create the right combination of emotional spikes to keep the viewer engaged and enthralled.

Bill Clinton combines both very well (charm and charisma) and to good effect. If you're interested in learning this as a formal process then I'd recommend you follow up on that link I sent. They break charisma down into a nuts and bolts science which I found to be ground breaking as previously people used to believe that charisma was something a person is born with rather than taught.

Hope that helps man and good luck on your journey

I don't want to appear ungrateful or dismissive.

I'd love it if we could share ideas and provide each other feedback, but I did try the charisma training. Specifically the smile suggestion of his and it didn't work. I'm therefore hesitant to take any more of his advice.

Fair enough dude. Most of the value I found was from the live training. That's where they give away all the gold. I don't pay too much attention to the web content just because it's there for marketing. I think another forum member mentioned how you have a tendency to over generalise things.

In that Bill Clinton example above I can imagine that if a person believed that it was eye contact and went out and did some fancy eye contact trick but for whatever reason wasn't mentally present (mind was else where) then they'd come off as being creepy. They might conclude that the eye contact thing was BS and that charisma doesn't work just because it didn't work for them in one isolated case.

You seemingly want help but when given you throw it back. For whatever reason you'd rather do things "your way". To give you another example in your old journal Reezox went to all the trouble of illustrating "the dip" for you and how that may be what you need to go through to get results with DMSI. Long story short you seem very hesitant to accept any outside assistance. For whatever reason, if you extrapolate that onto subs (which act as outside suggestions) that may be a reason why you're not executing as well as you'd like or should be given your exposure time.

Either way I wish you good fortune in your trials ahead