11-13-2016, 02:17 AM
(11-13-2016, 12:46 AM)K-Train Wrote:(11-12-2016, 11:40 PM)Cozy Wrote: I understand Shannon, maybe you can ignore other people's judgments one or twice, but when you're constantly around people who misunderstand or criticize you, eventually you'll crack, it's just human nature.
I know the kind of person you're talking about, a person who makes their own rules and always has a high opinion of themselves, but even they have their limits, if they're in a group setting they will be influenced and change their actions to avoid criticism.
You can't avoid human nature, it would be best just to work with it.
What's your definition of "cracking" in this instance?
As far as groups...there have been many groups in history with extreme viewpoints. Cults are notorious for this because they are able to use the power of the group (among other things like perhaps fear) to influence individuals. That said, we also know that there have been and continue to be people who were/are embedded in those groups who have broken away and began to form their own conclusions based off their personal experiences and/or information that they've gathered. Not necessarily "cults" either, it could be political groups, certain ideologies, etc. Its human nature to go along with the group yet we see repeatedly people can outright resist and even overcome that basic tenet of human nature.
One of the defining characteristics of successful people is in their ability to consistently (although perhaps not always) resist negativity and nay-saying from others and then eventually progressing. Often times, overcoming human nature is a part of that. In Shannon's case he deals with many people (including people on this forum) who tell him on a consistent basis that what he's doing is crazy/impossible/stupid/trash/waste-of-time/etc yet here he is and here we are. Now given sufficient mental/phsyical/social forces we could force Shannon to indeed crack (if by cracking you mean quitting) which is why torture is effective lol. But are we discussing "cracking" in absolute terms or "cracking" in terms of what the average everyday person goes through? If it's the former, then yes, I believe almost everyone will crack if by cracking you mean giving up at some point due to extreme methods. If it's the latter, then I'd simply say a good number will crack (once again, "crack" in this case meaning give up) and a number of them won't.
I think the main point here is that it's hard for many people to truly imagine living their life without needing/requiring external validation and positive reinforcement from others. People who have such a reality are in the overwhelming minority when compared to everyone else. It's also why many people are on this site to reach such a level because we've come to understand that relying/needing external validation leads to so much BS as CV just explained.
Well I can't argue with that, I've never seen or experienced living without external validation of some sort, I can only doubt or take your word for it.
Sounds a lot like some kind of monk though. Even psychopaths who are born completely devoid of social emotions still have egos and will rely on external validation.
I very very highly doubt that someone can live their life without being effected by external validation. Monks have to isolate themselves from the world and be satisfied with next to nothing to achieve stuff like that, even enlightened gurus (in Hindu culture) still care to an extent.
