Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Shannon]

Shannon, I know you have hormone optimization in DMSI but if you have the ability to target certain hormones or pheromones for production, please target 3ß-Androstanediol:

3ß-Androstanediol (probaby also it's sulfate) - the elusive alpha and fallout molecule, it very likely is this one (or the two) and it's Alpha-Isomer, 3a-Androstanediol, the famous female orgsam enhancer and "lubing agent".

It's obvious. Nevertheless and astonishing it's not used by vendors thus far. It took years and years before someone - read: me - had the ingenuity and persistence to actually consult the literature and connect the dots.
So mark the 1.11.2016, and remember who gave it to you, it's the return of magic to your future alpha-mixes and I claim the fame.

- Everything posted below is backed up by state-of-the art research and current medical consensus, but I will not provide references here. Anybody interested may contact me via pm. -


1. It is closely linked to Androsterone and DHT in the steroid-genesis pathway. It's actually only one enzymatic step away from both, on two different pathways respectively.
Everybody knows the importance of Androsterone to a pheromone-signature.
DHT is the most potent androgenic hormone in the body. 3ß-Andiol links and regulates both, keeping them in homeostasis.

2. While DHT is potently androgenic it is a substance that is can be either very beneficial or very harmful to human health. The physiological environment is crucial. 3ß-Anediol is the key. All studies indicate that a strong and healthy androgen-metabolism correlates with a certain relation of quantity between 3ß-Anediol and DHT, with 3ß-Anediol levels being higher than DHT. Very simply put: Many think high DHT means very masculine ... well not quite. High 3ß-Anediol, the product of enzymatic degradation of DHT, means very masculine - and a physiology able to deal with it.

3. It positively regulates oxytocin-neurons in the hypothalamus - indicating both alpha and fallout potential. Ideally Oxytocin will prompt yourself to be protective and emphatic to not only your kin and lover, but all persons valuable, beneficial and useful to yourlife (friends, colleauges, professionals you seek and get advice from). Looking after them and maintain beneficial relations is the primary social trait of an alpha-male. Oxy is essential to that. But Oxy is not the lovey-dovey molecule the manstream think it is. It can also, by way of being protective to said group of persons, prompt highly aggressive and protective behaviour - the alpha will protect it's clan to the end, not backing down.

When others are affected by 3ß-Anediol, they will sense that traits/signal. Females sense the protective high status alpha-male and males will seek you as a leader or an ally, depending on their social status. The Oxytocin-regulating action means that you ill have an emphatic and imprinting bonus, making 3ß-Anediol superior to Androsterone in that regard. Androsterone will promote rivlary among alphas, 3ß-Anediol cooperation.

4. 3ß-Anediol is not an allosteric modularor of GABAa, unlike Androsterone. This is useful in a phero-blend. Androsterone alone can be too dampening, especially alongside molecules like -Etrione that make you sleepy. 3ß-Anediol is cognitive enhancing, anxiolytic and stress-relieving via the oxytocin mediated action. It will act in concert with Androsterone, making this combination a mental tonic (like coffeine+theanine). It is not a negative allosteric modulator like exitatory neurosterids that will often clash with positive modulators like androsterone and therefore result in the well known phero-crashes or headaches.

5. Androsterone and 3ß-Anediol are both naturally occuring in deer musk, indictaing that a) 3ß-Anediol is in fact an excreted pheromone b) Androsterone and 3ß-Anediol are a naturaly occuring pairing and c) is a safe substance, used for centuries as medicine and perfumery.
The fact that androsterone and 3ß-Anediol occur together in deer mus is no surprise given the described metbolic relation and is another strong hint that they profit greatly from each other when used in alongside.


According to what I can gather from various source, 3ß-Anediol was relatively easy to obtain before 2011, becoming more restricted and expensive very quickly after that. Those who are versed in the history of a certain famous alpha-blend will probably find that intruiging.

A special thanks goes to Ekscentra and NP17 who theorized that a cetain famous alpha blend, contrary to popular beliefy was not based on Androsterone but another putative molecule, with Androsterone nevertehless being an important second. It's probably 3ß-Anediol guys. p106 or p90 o some such osik, who cares how they code their shit, it is this molecule.

And the isomer, 3a Anediol, also one of the staples. MHarris knew his stuff and he certainly knew how deer musk was composed.

Read what 3-Androstanediol does:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3%CE%B1-An...20646182-8

especially

http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743...8/abstract

Also anti-convulsant and anxiolytic. You can figure out which coded Putative that is, it's plainly obvious.

It seems this is the key to androtics a314 rev.23 and love-scent's a314 which as i'm sure you remember was quite the freight train of a mix. Reading more about it its very likely that this was the secret ingredient in the pheromone mix max attract gold since they had a sudden change of formula in 2011. That mix was absolutely legendary. MAG was probably the only pheromone would you could really just stand near a girl, have her attracted, open you, and sleep with you without doing much of anything.

Thinking back to my experiences this is about as primal as a molecule can get - it made women deeply attracted and aroused, made them put an almost insane level of trust in me, and had women almost feel honored that I would have sex with them. It has so far been the only mone where women have explicitly told me they NEEDED my dick inside them, they would be willing to do anything.

My most memorable experience was a former model paying my tuition with her rich ex-husbands alimony and offering to buy me a car. She tried really hard to get me to marry her and the quote I remember the most from her was "i don't know what is, you're not even old enough to drink, but I feel like I can put my life in your hands and i feel like I need to have your babies".

She really tried to pull out all the stops, at first she wanted me all to herself but she realized I didn't want anything serious and would flat out say she would be okay with sharing me, she arranged threesomes, introduced me to new women, and constantly told me "whenever you need sex just call me and ill drop everything" and she really did.

She had to move to take care of family but still talks to me on facebook sometimes and says she constantly fantasizes about me cumming inside her even though its been years since we met. She's in her early 40s now but still looks amazingly hot and looks closer to 30.

She had the most overt response but what was shocking to me is that she had millionaires, 1 billionaire, and celebs/athletes chasing her while she laid in bed next to me. All their looks, money, status, etc meant nothing to her. The reactions on other women weren't as intense (i was going after women in women in their early 20s) but very similar.

They would be deeply attracted, highly trusting, very submissive, and constantly beg me to come inside them. MAG and a314 rev.23 were really the only mixes where I would see women really trying to prove themselves in bed, as if I was doing them a favor by letting them sleep with me .

Im not a huge fan of the caveman analogies but I think this molecule is as close as it gets, this turns you into the alpha, king, genghis khan, etc. Men are supposed to follow your every lead and women should be honored they get to have sex with you over one of your peasants.

If you can target certain hormones, or at least recreate their effects, I may have to spring the $5000 for a custom job because I only have 1 bottle of rev.23 left and need to save it for very special occasions



I think DMSI is close to recreating this, what would be missing IMO is the trust and "protected" aura - it may also be why some guys are getting aggression from other men. If a ruler/king is loved by his people they trust him and they know he's looking out for them, when they feel like their ruler/king is against them they rebel and turn hostile.

I know i've mentioned it a lot but I think that feeling of being protected by a man is irresistible to women, i'm sure my experiences with mones have created a bias in that direction but for some reason it keeps popping up in my head as a key factor.

I would have it affect everyone not just women though, a314 had good effects on women but also great effects on men especially in terms of career advancement.

When others are affected by 3ß-Anediol, they will sense that traits/signal. Females sense the protective high status alpha-male and males will seek you as a leader or an ally, depending on their social status. The Oxytocin-regulating action means that you ill have an emphatic and imprinting bonus, making 3ß-Anediol superior to Androsterone in that regard. Androsterone will promote rivlary among alphas, 3ß-Anediol cooperation.

I noticed that for sure, guys with way more status than me helping me in social and business situations. Its the only reason my older brother has the job he does, because this 50yo big shot exec bumped into me at a bar and started sucking up to me and put him in touch with the right people.

I theoretically can target specific end result pheromones, but it would require a vastly more complex method than I use right now. Right now I am using the equivalent of a hardware abstraction later built in to the "operating system", and what would be different is that I would have to "hard code the direct route".

In other words, right now, I am effectively saying to the subconscious... "I want end results A, B and C. Figure out how to get there safely, and then do that." If I tried to do it directly, I would have to somehow find a way to communicate what chemistry I needed ingested to extract the precursor molecules, which precursor molecules to extract, and exactly what to do with them. How do I communicate this to the subconscious, when I don't know the chemical requirements directly, and the subconscious may not know what 3ß-Androstanediol is, or any of the precursor chemistry?

It would stall development for literally years, and give no guarantee of success. So I will remain with the HAL method. We will just me more specific with exactly what results we want. But this does sound like a good goal for making the program work.