Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Shannon]

Hey, if you don't mind Shannon what is a transcendent AF or your deifinition? I've been trying to figure that out for the longest.

Amusingly, I just created this link to the post that explains it in detail.

It's here:

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7310.html

EDIT: Oops, I didn't see that... AF. Well I would say it's much the same as a TAM, but female. Ultimately, it's about self mastery, self realization and being able to take care of, provide for and do for oneself. Being the best self you can be, and of course... alphas are usually leaders, whether by choice or necessity or simply because others choose to follow their lead.

There is something that need clarification in my mind here. Alpha Female vs Alpha male. I understand that a female can also be an alpha and I have no problem with that. But I understand alpha as a leader, and when a female is a leader she is using her male side. Like when a man is very social, he is using his female side.

So that's where I think the female counter part of alpha male is counter intuitive. If there is someone that is an Alpha Male, if he is dominant, then there is a need for someone that receive on the other end. Like in a company there is a boss and there is the employee.

So ultimately if there is someone dominant, there is someone submissive. Problem is that a lot of people have given a wrong connotation to the word submissive and they see it as weak.
A female goal would go more toward the submissive role, on the receiving hand. Her goal would be more a social role, and if they can't stand the work submissive they can use the term "socially dominant". For men it will be harder to be socially dominant, as men are generally less social than women and women are generally more social, more submissive.

So I have nothing against a women being alpha or dominant. Men can also be social and submissive. We all have a female and male side.

Also their goal would tend to be more about emotional freedom, emotional health. So it would be more similar to Ephra.
So I'm wondering how the AF sub is scripted, is it a more on the leadership part, her male side and more on her female side?

Leadership is not a male, dominant quality. Men just think it is.

Simple yin and yang philosophy. A man usually sees leadership as dominance and exerting ones will, but all leadership is is getting other people to do what you want.

Subtle and mindful manipulation of a dominant alpha male by an alpha female is very easy to understand. Dude thinks he's dominant, he does what he thinks he wants, and the entire time there is a submissive and passive woman mindfully and naturally "giving into" and "submitting" to the man while perfecting manipulating him into what her goal is.

Males spend a lot of time beating their chests, but ultimately all that matters is who gets what they want when it comes to leadership. It just so happens that the best leaders get everyone what everyone wants. Small scale "alphas" usually are not mindful of this. Giving in to smaller demands to fulfill greater goals usually makes more sense to feminine personas.

Well said.

I am not sure I agree that the best leaders get everyone what they want. I believe the best leaders get others what they need, or what is best for them, which is frequently at odds with what they want.