Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Paul1131]

ETA that I read your post about acting submission to avoid danger on another thread. I used to do that to avoid anger/violence from women. BIATHM and DMSI helped me to be set free from that. There was a woman who once treated me badly at a dinner. I saw her again while I was on DMSI, and while she wanted my attention, I completely ignored her. Later she very friendly are respectfully said hi to me, I responded and kept walking. I treated her like she was beneath me, just like she had treated me at that dinner. I don't believe in always treating people that way, but some people will not respect you otherwise. If I had not been on the subs, I would have been really nice to her at the expense of my own self esteem.

I think my self-esteem is much better than it used to be.

When I used to go to night clubs (which were all new and interesting once I had just moved from the country), my self-esteem was probably quite low. I put up with big, muscular guys pushing me around, and acted submissive for my own safety.

Eventually, I had had enough of being intimidated by guys at nightclubs, and always getting rejected by the women there, so I decided to never go to a nightclub again, and haven’t for several years. I also gave up approaching women for similar reasons, I had had enough of nonstop rejection.

Nowadays, I go to cafes and the local Thai restaurant, and people tend to be much nicer there (compared to night clubs). I’m also working on removing the ‘women only have sex with genetically superior guys’ BS that modern society constantly repeats, and trying to replace it with a ‘everyone is worthy of sex, and everyone has someone out there that would do anything they could to have sex with you, etc’ paradigm that is much healthier and more empowering.

I’ve worked security at a couple of clubs. I’ll let you in on a little secret. The VAST majority of those meatheads who run around starting fights with smaller guys can’t fight worth a crap.

Good. They’ll be easy to take down once I learn self defence then.

It’s really fun when they’re drunk and you aren’t.

[SargeMaximus]

ETA that I read your post about acting submission to avoid danger on another thread. I used to do that to avoid anger/violence from women. BIATHM and DMSI helped me to be set free from that. There was a woman who once treated me badly at a dinner. I saw her again while I was on DMSI, and while she wanted my attention, I completely ignored her. Later she very friendly are respectfully said hi to me, I responded and kept walking. I treated her like she was beneath me, just like she had treated me at that dinner. I don't believe in always treating people that way, but some people will not respect you otherwise. If I had not been on the subs, I would have been really nice to her at the expense of my own self esteem.

I think my self-esteem is much better than it used to be.

When I used to go to night clubs (which were all new and interesting once I had just moved from the country), my self-esteem was probably quite low. I put up with big, muscular guys pushing me around, and acted submissive for my own safety.

Eventually, I had had enough of being intimidated by guys at nightclubs, and always getting rejected by the women there, so I decided to never go to a nightclub again, and haven’t for several years. I also gave up approaching women for similar reasons, I had had enough of nonstop rejection.

Nowadays, I go to cafes and the local Thai restaurant, and people tend to be much nicer there (compared to night clubs). I’m also working on removing the ‘women only have sex with genetically superior guys’ BS that modern society constantly repeats, and trying to replace it with a ‘everyone is worthy of sex, and everyone has someone out there that would do anything they could to have sex with you, etc’ paradigm that is much healthier and more empowering.

I’ve worked security at a couple of clubs. I’ll let you in on a little secret. The VAST majority of those meatheads who run around starting fights with smaller guys can’t fight worth a crap.

Good. They’ll be easy to take down once I learn self defence then.

It’s really fun when they’re drunk and you aren’t.

True. Just have to watch out for weapons and broken bottles.

[dissonance]

Most likely not, Shannon has said that the goal is to not need H&C anymore. It's in E3 because the goal of E3 is specifically for healing.

Well i mean thats kinda related to my point, theres a difference between needing it to achieve the goal of getting laid, and wanting it so that the user can H&C while benefitting from the FRM and all other effects of DMSI, rather than having to choose to do DMSI or E3

[AbundanceCH]

ETA that I read your post about acting submission to avoid danger on another thread. I used to do that to avoid anger/violence from women. BIATHM and DMSI helped me to be set free from that. There was a woman who once treated me badly at a dinner. I saw her again while I was on DMSI, and while she wanted my attention, I completely ignored her. Later she very friendly are respectfully said hi to me, I responded and kept walking. I treated her like she was beneath me, just like she had treated me at that dinner. I don't believe in always treating people that way, but some people will not respect you otherwise. If I had not been on the subs, I would have been really nice to her at the expense of my own self esteem.

I think my self-esteem is much better than it used to be.

When I used to go to night clubs (which were all new and interesting once I had just moved from the country), my self-esteem was probably quite low. I put up with big, muscular guys pushing me around, and acted submissive for my own safety.

Eventually, I had had enough of being intimidated by guys at nightclubs, and always getting rejected by the women there, so I decided to never go to a nightclub again, and haven’t for several years. I also gave up approaching women for similar reasons, I had had enough of nonstop rejection.

Nowadays, I go to cafes and the local Thai restaurant, and people tend to be much nicer there (compared to night clubs). I’m also working on removing the ‘women only have sex with genetically superior guys’ BS that modern society constantly repeats, and trying to replace it with a ‘everyone is worthy of sex, and everyone has someone out there that would do anything they could to have sex with you, etc’ paradigm that is much healthier and more empowering.

I’ve worked security at a couple of clubs. I’ll let you in on a little secret. The VAST majority of those meatheads who run around starting fights with smaller guys can’t fight worth a crap.

Good. They’ll be easy to take down once I learn self defence then.

Why would you be talking about taking guys down when you're supposed to be learning "Self defense?" (you know to defend yourself against being attacked) sounds to me you are planning to attack or start trouble rather than using it for what it's for

Not to be critical or anything but I can feel the quality of this thread going down already. Benjamin I hope you're watching and I hope you can keep this thread to discussing Shannon's work and not let it go into countless worthless chatter like previously before someone was banned.

[SargeMaximus]

ETA that I read your post about acting submission to avoid danger on another thread. I used to do that to avoid anger/violence from women. BIATHM and DMSI helped me to be set free from that. There was a woman who once treated me badly at a dinner. I saw her again while I was on DMSI, and while she wanted my attention, I completely ignored her. Later she very friendly are respectfully said hi to me, I responded and kept walking. I treated her like she was beneath me, just like she had treated me at that dinner. I don't believe in always treating people that way, but some people will not respect you otherwise. If I had not been on the subs, I would have been really nice to her at the expense of my own self esteem.

I think my self-esteem is much better than it used to be.

When I used to go to night clubs (which were all new and interesting once I had just moved from the country), my self-esteem was probably quite low. I put up with big, muscular guys pushing me around, and acted submissive for my own safety.

Eventually, I had had enough of being intimidated by guys at nightclubs, and always getting rejected by the women there, so I decided to never go to a nightclub again, and haven’t for several years. I also gave up approaching women for similar reasons, I had had enough of nonstop rejection.

Nowadays, I go to cafes and the local Thai restaurant, and people tend to be much nicer there (compared to night clubs). I’m also working on removing the ‘women only have sex with genetically superior guys’ BS that modern society constantly repeats, and trying to replace it with a ‘everyone is worthy of sex, and everyone has someone out there that would do anything they could to have sex with you, etc’ paradigm that is much healthier and more empowering.

I’ve worked security at a couple of clubs. I’ll let you in on a little secret. The VAST majority of those meatheads who run around starting fights with smaller guys can’t fight worth a crap.

Good. They’ll be easy to take down once I learn self defence then.

Why would you be talking about taking guys down when you're supposed to be learning "Self defense?" (you know to defend yourself against being attacked) sounds to me you are planning to attack or start trouble rather than using it for what it's for

Not to be critical or anything but I can feel the quality of this thread going down already. Benjamin I hope you're watching and I hope you can keep this thread to discussing Shannon's work and not let it go into countless worthless chatter like previously before someone was banned.

Uh, no. Not looking to start anything, just finish it.

[AriGold]

So you care more about fighting than getting the women?

[SargeMaximus]

So you care more about fighting than getting the women?

What are you even talking about? If a guy attacks me I will defend myself, that is all I’m saying.

[SargeMaximus]

Double post.

[Frosted]

Disappointed in the seniors here.

[Benjamin]

Most likely not, Shannon has said that the goal is to not need H&C anymore. It's in E3 because the goal of E3 is specifically for healing.

Well i mean thats kinda related to my point, theres a difference between needing it to achieve the goal of getting laid, and wanting it so that the user can H&C while benefitting from the FRM and all other effects of DMSI, rather than having to choose to do DMSI or E3

Well.. i'm trying to get your point. But i'm kind of confused. Because the goal of DMSI is to get laid, not just to get all the other effects without doing so.

It's like you're saying you want all the effects of attracting women, being sexually attractive and such to not get laid.

[Benjamin]

Guys, stop trying to stir things up where there actually isn't an issue.

Yes Sarge did get banned for a while and come back, but I seen nothing in his original post about learning self defense that alluded to what you're saying. So it seems you guys are trying to stretch it into an argument more than anything.

Lets stop it here.

[RiseaKnight]

I have been running DMS I for almost 2 years now, having slow growth but this new version has blown me away! Originally when I started listening I thought it was just placebo when I made some progress but now I believe. I feel like I took a big step this month. Family members and friends are complimenting my looks! Saying that my face looks more defined and looking healthier. Women saying I look handsome and that I could be a model! I used to have major social anxiety and avoident personality disorder..... but now that has changed. I feel more confident, more engaging, and love meeting new people. I don't allow fear to control my life anymore.... I mean I still feel fear but I don't try to suppress it like before. I feel like other areas in my life are also getting better. I still have a long way to go but I am ready for the challenge. Thank you Shannon, two years ago I was in a dark place, addicted to adderall. Drinking to cope with my social anxity. Angry at life. I ended up in the hospital after an addreall overdose. I thought I had a heart attack and died but luckily it was just a panic attack. Thought things would not get better but I found your website. You have saved my life. Looking foaward to the next version of DMSI. I just wish I could fall asleep, lol. We are all going to make it guys!

[Benjamin]

Very good to hear RiseaKnight. So you attribute most of that to the latest version? Like dealing with the social anxiety and such? Or is it a combination of the versions and this one the most?

[RiseaKnight]

Yes, I feel it is a combination of the versions but this one I had felt the most progress. In the early versions I question myself if it was working or not but this version I can see how people are reacting to my presence. I also feel this version help me the most with the social anxiety. This version feels more fast paced but also mentally exhausting. Keeping my headphones on while I sleep is a pain the ass.