Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon

Great to hear that the new subs are coming along well.

As mentioned in an earlier post, I decided to use ARA for a few weeks in order to settle in to a new job. ARA together with Tranq A and B have been beautiful so far and everything has worked out extremely well, despite of a very busy start and a lot of logistic difficulties due to Corona. Within a week or two, I expect that I’m ready to drop ARA and move on to something else.

I’ve always thought that I would do the new LTU when it came out. However, my life is going amazingly well, and this lockdown has given me the desire to spend some time meeting girls when the clubs open in August (at least where I live). I prefer to do the approaching myself in order to make sure that I actually find girls who not only look great but that I also want to spend some time with, even if it is not about a serious relationship.

I believe that I’m a great guy for girls to meet, and I’ve had many amazing experiences with girls in the past. However, I do still feel what PUAs would call “approach anxiety” when talking to strangers.

Based on that, what do you think would be the best sub for going out and meeting good looking quality women for the next months? I see three options: 1) The new DMSI might be the obvious choice, but I’m a bit confused about the effects when you do the approaching – I assume that the aura, the shield and FRM will still work in this scenario?  2) another option would be the new OF – I believe (and have referencing showing) that I have a decent charisma and that many girls like me when I can just chill and be relaxed. Hence, if OF could get rid of the above-mentioned “approach anxiety” and just let me be more relaxed in conversations in general, that could make sense as well. Option 3) would be the new LTU, if it contains OF as well (based on the same assumptions as nr. 2).

Would love to hear your take on this.

Thanks a lot in advance.

All of them have their place, but their place depends on the specifics of why you are experiencing this anxiety.  

If you're looking for sex, then DMSI is your best bet unless you know how to transition from sex to romance.  

If you're looking for a relationship, then you have to consider a couple things.  What of these programs is going to result in the best chance of you achieving a relationship with the kind of woman you want?

OF is going to help you get past your fears, but aside from that growth, you will not change from what you are when you start looking, after using it.  It may indeed be very helpful, but it won't "take you to the next level" in general.  It should result in freedom from fear.

LTU6 is going to be a different story.  It isn't focused on fear specifically, and it will take longer to run; 6 months for the next version.  But it will result in broad spectrum growth and improvement within you, and this will in turn result in being much higher social market value and much more valuable to women for a relationship.  You will also be able to attract the interest of higher value women as a result.

What I would probably do in your shoes is start using OF until LTU6 comes out, and get a head start on a focused effort to deal with and free yourself from your fears.  Then, when LTU6 comes out, use that.  It will take you further in the direction you want to go because OF will help clear the path for LTU6 and in the end you'll get more value and growth from LTU6 and achieve the highest levels of self improvement, and thus the highest levels of value increase to women.  It's a slower and less fun path, but the end result will be the best for being able to attract the highest value women, and achieve a serious relationship with them.

Thank you very much for your great answer – I had a lot of the same thoughts. I might have tried to be a little bit too politically correct in my initial post. What I'm looking for is definitely sex short term. A real relationship is probably 2 - 4 years down the line (depending on a ton of things). I just prefer to hook up with girls that I'm ok with taking to brunch the next day and seeing a few times a month. 
 
Could it be useful to use DMSI for a few months “to get the ball rolling” after corona and then move on to LTU, or will all the time used on DMSI be useless the second I stop using it?  

DMSI will have long term effects on you, in terms of things like fear removal.  But the primary goal of DMSI is to project an energy field that takes a lot of effort to project, and this requires constant usage to maintain.  It is simply too much effort for your subconscious otherwise.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Hi @Shannon. What are your strategic plans for developing LTU6 and how will it be different from the current version - LTU5 (excluding FRM improvement ofcourse).

[Shannon]

Hi @Shannon. What are your strategic plans for developing LTU6 and how will it be different from the current version - LTU5 (excluding FRM improvement ofcourse).

The only thing I have determined yet is that it will be a 6 stage set.  Aside from that, I'm not working on it yet.  I'll know more when I start working on it.  But basically, LTU5 was a great program.  It needs to be able to handle people's fears better (add FRM 4.9) and it needs to step them up to the goals (six stage set).  Additions, if any, will have to pass modeling because there are already a lot of programs in it.  The most likely thing to have happen is adjust it to 6 stages, upgrade the skeleton script to the latest technology and additions, and optimize or upgrade key and core scripts as appropriate.

[Frosted]

Hey Shannon, I'm just curious if you just combined some of the old writing subliminals you had and upgraded it to the newest tech would that take that long? You could do that with minimal addition and I'd still buy it. Like "Ultimate Writer Lite", and then set it up so you could add more on later to make it a more comprehensive subliminal while still being able to satisfy us writers for now with less effort. Ah, the only thing I think would need added for the Lite version would be something to improve the Writer's prose and writing in general. There's 3g/4g subliminals about better plot and characters etc. But haven't seen any old subs that would help me improve my use of the English language in my work in general.

One guaranteed customer here.

Also this is off topic but I'm really anticipating renaissance man when you decide to create it.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon, I'm just curious if you just combined some of the old writing subliminals you had and upgraded it to the newest tech would that take that long? You could do that with minimal addition and I'd still buy it. Like "Ultimate Writer Lite", and then set it up so you could add more on later to make it a more comprehensive subliminal while still being able to satisfy us writers for now with less effort. Ah, the only thing I think would need added for the Lite version would be something to improve the Writer's prose and writing in general. There's 3g/4g subliminals about better plot and characters etc. But haven't seen any old subs that would help me improve my use of the English language in my work in general.

One guaranteed customer here.

Also this is off topic but I'm really anticipating renaissance man when you decide to create it.

The only way to make it quickly would be to just dump the existing 3G/4G script in the key and core script, and build them as is with a 5.75G skeleton script around them.  Otherwise I have to upgrade and optimize them, and top speed for that is 2 statements per day given my current level of complexity and the tools I am using to do this work.  

The former would not meet my standards.  The latter would not be quick or easy to do.  I am already dealing with a full queue.  So... gonna have to wait a bit.  I will get to those though.

[Frosted]

Hey Shannon, I'm just curious if you just combined some of the old writing subliminals you had and upgraded it to the newest tech would that take that long? You could do that with minimal addition and I'd still buy it. Like "Ultimate Writer Lite", and then set it up so you could add more on later to make it a more comprehensive subliminal while still being able to satisfy us writers for now with less effort. Ah, the only thing I think would need added for the Lite version would be something to improve the Writer's prose and writing in general. There's 3g/4g subliminals about better plot and characters etc. But haven't seen any old subs that would help me improve my use of the English language in my work in general.

One guaranteed customer here.

Also this is off topic but I'm really anticipating renaissance man when you decide to create it.

The only way to make it quickly would be to just dump the existing 3G/4G script in the key and core script, and build them as is with a 5.75G skeleton script around them.  Otherwise I have to upgrade and optimize them, and top speed for that is 2 statements per day given my current level of complexity and the tools I am using to do this work.  

The former would not meet my standards.  The latter would not be quick or easy to do.  I am already dealing with a full queue.  So... gonna have to wait a bit.  I will get to those though.

Alright cool, I'm willing to wait. Hope I'm not annoying you, just want to make sure the writing subliminal gets remembered because I know it might get forgotten under the piles of work and other subliminal projects.

[THolt]

@Shannon

What do you think the connection is between low self worth and fear?

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon, I'm just curious if you just combined some of the old writing subliminals you had and upgraded it to the newest tech would that take that long? You could do that with minimal addition and I'd still buy it. Like "Ultimate Writer Lite", and then set it up so you could add more on later to make it a more comprehensive subliminal while still being able to satisfy us writers for now with less effort. Ah, the only thing I think would need added for the Lite version would be something to improve the Writer's prose and writing in general. There's 3g/4g subliminals about better plot and characters etc. But haven't seen any old subs that would help me improve my use of the English language in my work in general.

One guaranteed customer here.

Also this is off topic but I'm really anticipating renaissance man when you decide to create it.

The only way to make it quickly would be to just dump the existing 3G/4G script in the key and core script, and build them as is with a 5.75G skeleton script around them.  Otherwise I have to upgrade and optimize them, and top speed for that is 2 statements per day given my current level of complexity and the tools I am using to do this work.  

The former would not meet my standards.  The latter would not be quick or easy to do.  I am already dealing with a full queue.  So... gonna have to wait a bit.  I will get to those though.

Alright cool, I'm willing to wait. Hope I'm not annoying you, just want to make sure the writing subliminal gets remembered because I know it might get forgotten under the piles of work and other subliminal projects.

Not annoying me at all.  Periodic reminders are helpful.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

What do you think the connection is between low self worth and fear?

Well, low self worth is the result of a learned belief set, which is learned by observing and interpreting the actions and speech of others.  Fear is a response to something that results from an assessment of threat in some way or at some level.  These two may have nothing to do with one another, or may be linked depending on the person, personality, their experiences, their interpretations and their reactions.

You can have a low sense of self worth, with no fear involved.  You can have fear with no low sense of self worth involved.  And in some cases, you can have low self worth resulting in fear.  If they are linked, usually the fear results from the low self worth evaluation, not the other way around.

[THolt]

@Shannon

What do you think the connection is between low self worth and fear?

Well, low self worth is the result of a learned belief set, which is learned by observing and interpreting the actions and speech of others.  Fear is a response to something that results from an assessment of threat in some way or at some level.  These two may have nothing to do with one another, or may be linked depending on the person, personality, their experiences, their interpretations and their reactions.

You can have a low sense of self worth, with no fear involved.  You can have fear with no low sense of self worth involved.  And in some cases, you can have low self worth resulting in fear.  If they are linked, usually the fear results from the low self worth evaluation, not the other way around.

@Shannon 

Interesting. I always wondered what the connection was.

Is it possible after OF and the Drug Dependence that you would take a look at the Self Worth/Deservedness program I suggested? 

I know you are swamped but I am just reminding you as I know you are juggling several
Things at once

[Shannon]

@Shannon

What do you think the connection is between low self worth and fear?

Well, low self worth is the result of a learned belief set, which is learned by observing and interpreting the actions and speech of others.  Fear is a response to something that results from an assessment of threat in some way or at some level.  These two may have nothing to do with one another, or may be linked depending on the person, personality, their experiences, their interpretations and their reactions.

You can have a low sense of self worth, with no fear involved.  You can have fear with no low sense of self worth involved.  And in some cases, you can have low self worth resulting in fear.  If they are linked, usually the fear results from the low self worth evaluation, not the other way around.

@Shannon 

Interesting. I always wondered what the connection was.

Is it possible after OF and the Drug Dependence that you would take a look at the Self Worth/Deservedness program I suggested? 

I know you are swamped but I am just reminding you as I know you are juggling several
Things at once

I can build that, but as with some other things, it's going to have to wait a bit.  I have to get funding back up to par with these programs I'm building.  The deservedness program isn't likely to make a lot of sales.  So I have to produce some significant programming that will in order to allow me to build these programs that won't.

[Fluffy]

@Shannon

How much is wanting to be in a monogamous relationship based in fear?

My fear is that people choose a monogamous relationship based on unconscious fear, thus when in a LTR I feel like if me or my partner had no fear, we wouldn't choose a monogamous relationship. This leads me to feel that deep down my partner would prefer causal sex, open relationships, and the whole monogamous thing is just really based on a lie.

I don't consiously think this all the time, but when I think about this, I can feel into it. A part of me thinks I could be wrong, so I don't let it complelty take over me, but then I would hate to think what I have with my girlfriend is based on a lie, even if consiously we are not aware of it or even think it.

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts, thanks.

[Benjamin]

@Shannon

How much is wanting to be in a monogamous relationship based in fear?

My fear is that people choose a monogamous relationship based on unconscious fear, thus when in a LTR I feel like if me or my partner had no fear, we wouldn't choose a monogamous relationship. This leads me to feel that deep down my partner would prefer causal sex, open relationships, and the whole monogamous thing is just really based on a lie.

I don't consiously think this all the time, but when I think about this, I can feel into it. A part of me thinks I could be wrong, so I don't let it complelty take over me, but then I would hate to think what I have with my girlfriend is based on a lie, even if consiously we are not aware of it or even think it.

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts, thanks.

I've been thinking about this recently, especially with having some time off from girls due to certain things i've been dealing with.

Alot of it is based on fear, and programming from society. You know 'you have to settle down and get married' etc and a sad extension of this I see so much is that the husband is whipped by the wife, she manipulates him with withholding sex and such.

Like I can see for me it's fear of what she might think, that she will leave if I don't promise monogomy, what others might think, what my parents might think etc. And some people just jump into a relationship really quickly, partly due to fear and thinking "I feel like I can't get anyone else, so I just have to jump into this relationship and lock her down" which doesn't necessarily mean that will work.

Definite fear of not being able to find other girls, especially attractive ones, fear of being alone etc.

Ideally i'd like to do what Blackdragon talks about, he's been able to do it consistently. And I admit i've never been happy for long in a relationship past a brief "Everything is awesome and I really like this girl and don't care about anyone else" stage.. because i've inevitably wanted to have sex with other girls and tended to find ways to sabotage it so I can then do that. But still at the first stage have steered it towards being my 'girlfriend' because of the fears above, even though time and time again it's made me feel like crap in the end.

Even the only girl I can really say I loved in my life I still wasn't happy or 'settled' just being with her. So I tend to agree with Blackdragon that monogomy doesn't work.

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon, Congradu-Mah-lations on Buidling Over Coming Fear with the new FRM 4.9 in it,DRS and da new way to build da scripts..ect. WOW. it'll be interesting to see the results,over time!!

I recently had an experience,as of last Friday,where I believe the TID effects,from fear Remover/Over coming Fear was
'in action'- but it was many hours there after before I'd made "the connection" as such. I Have no other reason than that!
what it was,was Friday I Needed to call a certain Governmental agency about a concern and a a question I had concerned,in relation to some financial things. Never have I been so relaxed and at ease,doing so,while on the phone(after a 2 hour on hold wait,including got transfer 'cut off' 3 times!) with a most pleasant phone assistant-related person. I mean it was easy,smooth and low key decent,so to speak. I was sooo relieved,by this I cant tell you.
This has NEVER ever happened before,not that I've had to or want to contact this particular branch of the Government that much in my life anyway. non the less...over all it went really well, I got the info I need and can proceed accordingly,ect.

2ndly ) I dont know what else you're up to Shannon,but I got some clear UMS TID today and it was so smooth pleasant and 'right in the pocket',I Mean I felt it really 'clearly'!! This is some groovy stuff. that is my view and belief on these experience's,I didnt 'go lookin for them' either...they showed up 'on their own'! Lovin' it! Keith