Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[AbundanceCH]

I can, yes.  But that would mean one of two options:

1. I can do it in a day, but that means a simple BWE program that would relatively likely have you unconscious or close to it, or
2. I build a BWE that uses multiple simultaneous major BW states, but requires weeks or months to figure out, build and refine before release.

If you think about it, the Core States and the advanced meditations BWE programs both have at least one track that can do this.  The Core States Theta.  The more advanced one you would want states between 4.5 and 6.5 Hz.  So there's no need to build a new one.  And I don't have time to make the advanced multi-state BWE for this.

My question would be

How would your option 1 be better or different than what's already out there? There are countless alpha wave/theta wave mp3 tracks on the market with ambient sounds which promise to put you into those frequencies.  Frankly for me it takes about 15-20 minutes of listening to start getting sleepy and for them to take effect.  I am using a rain track alphawave mp3 everyday to watch my mind movie and to help me visualize.

If you said your option 1 would be better than most  of what's already on the market i'd buy it immediately and wait for your option 2 in the future.

[Benjamin]

Writers Editing & Creativity Pack (Brainwave Only) is Now Available!

This is a group of brainwave entrainment (BWE) programs designed to help writers access their creativity and to help make editing easier.  There is no subliminal content in any of these tracks.

Go get it at http://www.subliminal-shop.com/product/w...-pack-bwe/

Thanks guys, have placed my order! 

Lano beat me to it, but I have the same question. I usually play LTU5 at ultrasonic on my iPhone during many of the hours in which I would write - would it be okay to play the binaurals through headphones and have the LTU5 ultrasonic playing through my iPhone simultaneously?

Hey @Benjamin , could you process my order if you get a chance? Would be great to have this to use when I wake up tomorrow morning, thank you. 

Just completed the orders that were there, so let me know if you don't get it.

[ichigo]

Thanks Ben, all sorted!

Woke up this morning and gave the Creativity 10hz track a go. Sat in the garden with headphones in, notepad in lap and waited to see what would happen. I was focusing on feeling sensations in my body and asking myself what they mean and what's causing them. After maybe 5 minutes or so I noticed my brain would start playing snippets of songs to me. This happens to me sometimes during everyday life, there will be a part of a song that keeps playing itself in my head which I don't even realize sometimes until some time has passed. The song usually has lyrics or a feeling to it that has to do with whatever is going on inside me in that moment. So I began to question the snippets of songs, ask myself why those would be playing and then write down what I think they meant and what thoughts or feelings were causing them. I managed to get down around one A4 page of bullet point ideas until I stopped about 35 minutes in as the soul searching was getting a little painful and I needed to escape it.

Initial thoughts, it definitely seems to be helpful with idea generation. Thanks for making it. I'll go down to the next Hz level next time and see what happens.

I usually like to write in the mornings and one of the first things I do is have coffee, but I skipped it this morning. I'm assuming if I drink coffee before I listen to the binaurals it will override the effects of them? I hope not as I love my morning coffee but that's probably wishful thinking on my part!

[Shannon]

Yes, caffeine will disrupt BWE.

EDIT: One thing you could try is lay down and relax with your eyes closed, and let your mind wander freely while using these tracks, without trying to write anything down.

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon,curious...what are you working on this week? I assume FRM 4.9 in round robin with other good stuff?

[Shannon]

Shannon,curious...what are you working on this week? I assume  FRM 4.9 in round robin with other good stuff?

I have been working non-stop on finishing the Tranquilizer B program after I found that error 20 minutes before I was going to publish the first build.  It will be finished today.  After that I will be focusing all my efforts on finishing FRM 4.9 as quickly as possible, which is the bottleneck for a lot of other things, and it is past time for it to be finished.  Round Robin only if I start to burn out.  But since everything has been going wrong for a while now, who knows.  That's my plan.

[Zubrowka]

Hello Shannon. I’m reading a book and came over the term “high value man”. I just would like to see if this definition goes in line with what you had in mind when designing AM. 

Sorry for being a pain in the ass with the rule 20 stuff the other day.

Are You a High-Value Man?
This book is for high-value men. Sometimes that term refers to a man’s income, or to the bounty on his head. Here it refers to the kind of man, rich or poor, whom women seek out for long-term commitment.
I didn’t invent the term. I’m not that clever. It comes from evolutionary psychology, a field of study explaining the behavior that helped humanity thrive. We have an amazing number of mental and behavioral predispositions that evolutionary psychologists refer to as adaptations. They keep us alive.
For example, worrying about the future is an adaptation that compels us to store food for lean times. A sense of humor is an adaptation that helps men attract women. Even pessimism appears to be adaptive. It’s a variety of error-management, a mental calculus that helps us prevent unpleasant surprises. It can be useful so long as it doesn’t get out of hand.
The high-value man, according to evolutionary psychologists, is one who possesses what women look for. In an outstanding review of evolutionary research, David Schmitt (2005) described the most basic, animalistic traits men and women seek in each other.
“Men place a greater premium on signals of fertility and reproductive value such as a woman’s youth and physical appearance,” he wrote. No surprise there.

“In contrast, women place a greater premium on a man’s status, resources, ambition, and maturity—cues relevant to his ability for long- term provisioning—and to his kindness, generosity, and emotional openness—cues to his willingness to provision women and their children.” Again, no surprises.
I know what some of you are thinking: we are all complex individuals with unique motivations. I agree, but beneath our individual complexities are ancient predispositions driving our desires. Men, in general, prefer a nice hip-to-waist ratio. Women, in general, prefer a nice debt-to-asset ratio.
So what constitutes a high-value man in the modern world? It appears little has changed since our ancestors were hunting and gathering. A man’s value to women boils down to those two words Dr. Schmitt italicized: ability and willingness .
High-value men have the ability to be long-term providers. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re wealthy. It simply means they possess certain qualities like foresight, discipline, a social network, resourcefulness, intelligence, and humor.
High-value men also have the willingness to stick around. Willingness is evident in qualities like generosity, emotional stability, and the ability to maintain emotional bonds. Maybe that’s why so many young couples end up with dogs. Puppies were probably invented so women could test men’s willingness to commit to a noisy, hungry creature with poor bowel control.
Essentially, the high-value man is open to commitment and professionally squared away—or at least he’s headed in that direction. I’d like to add one more trait to the list: masculinity. The high-value man doesn’t relinquish his testicles or apologize for possessing them. He cultivates those male qualities that benefit himself and the people he loves. In our society there is a small, noisy contingent of women (and a few men) who insist that masculinity is destructive and outdated, but I can assure you they are the minority.
When I surveyed women a few years ago for a different project, I asked them what they liked most about men. Most of the women were quite vocal about the qualities they appreciate in a man:
“Humor. Protectiveness. Strength.”
“Their sense of humor, their masculinity and strength.” “Their confidence, strength, and tendency to be easy-going.”
Strength and level-headedness were a major theme. They expressed adoration for masculine traits like independence and competitiveness. In my decade as a psychologist, I’ve heard plenty of complaints about husbands and boyfriends, but I have never heard a woman wish that her man was more like a girl.

Ability, willingness, and a masculine nature. If you possess these traits, then you possess what most women seek in a husband or partner. Congratulations. You’re a high-value man. It’s good to be wanted, isn’t it?

[tolgaocal80]

I wrote something about your question, and I think it is better to discuss Alpha male concept in thread "am6 questions".

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon,curious...what are you working on this week? I assume  FRM 4.9 in round robin with other good stuff?

I have been working non-stop on finishing the Tranquilizer B program after I found that error 20 minutes before I was going to publish the first build.  It will be finished today.  After that I will be focusing all my efforts on finishing FRM 4.9 as quickly as possible, which is the bottleneck for a lot of other things, and it is past time for it to be finished.  Round Robin only if I start to burn out.  But since everything has been going wrong for a while now, who knows.  That's my plan.

 Well thanx Man fer the Update and all. hope it gets even better for ya thru the week and all. FRM 4.9 'er Bust!! sounds real good from here! Hang in with BOTH Paws. thanks again!

[Shannon]

Hello Shannon. I’m reading a book and came over the term “high value man”. I just would like to see if this definition goes in line with what you had in mind when designing AM. 

Sorry for being a pain in the ass with the rule 20 stuff the other day.

Are You a High-Value Man?
This book is for high-value men. Sometimes that term refers to a man’s income, or to the bounty on his head. Here it refers to the kind of man, rich or poor, whom women seek out for long-term commitment.
I didn’t invent the term. I’m not that clever. It comes from evolutionary psychology, a field of study explaining the behavior that helped humanity thrive. We have an amazing number of mental and behavioral predispositions that evolutionary psychologists refer to as adaptations. They keep us alive.
For example, worrying about the future is an adaptation that compels us to store food for lean times. A sense of humor is an adaptation that helps men attract women. Even pessimism appears to be adaptive. It’s a variety of error-management, a mental calculus that helps us prevent unpleasant surprises. It can be useful so long as it doesn’t get out of hand.
The high-value man, according to evolutionary psychologists, is one who possesses what women look for. In an outstanding review of evolutionary research, David Schmitt (2005) described the most basic, animalistic traits men and women seek in each other.
“Men place a greater premium on signals of fertility and reproductive value such as a woman’s youth and physical appearance,” he wrote. No surprise there.

“In contrast, women place a greater premium on a man’s status, resources, ambition, and maturity—cues relevant to his ability for long- term provisioning—and to his kindness, generosity, and emotional openness—cues to his willingness to provision women and their children.” Again, no surprises.
I know what some of you are thinking: we are all complex individuals with unique motivations. I agree, but beneath our individual complexities are ancient predispositions driving our desires. Men, in general, prefer a nice hip-to-waist ratio. Women, in general, prefer a nice debt-to-asset ratio.
So what constitutes a high-value man in the modern world? It appears little has changed since our ancestors were hunting and gathering. A man’s value to women boils down to those two words Dr. Schmitt italicized: ability and willingness .
High-value men have the ability to be long-term providers. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re wealthy. It simply means they possess certain qualities like foresight, discipline, a social network, resourcefulness, intelligence, and humor.
High-value men also have the willingness to stick around. Willingness is evident in qualities like generosity, emotional stability, and the ability to maintain emotional bonds. Maybe that’s why so many young couples end up with dogs. Puppies were probably invented so women could test men’s willingness to commit to a noisy, hungry creature with poor bowel control.
Essentially, the high-value man is open to commitment and professionally squared away—or at least he’s headed in that direction. I’d like to add one more trait to the list: masculinity. The high-value man doesn’t relinquish his testicles or apologize for possessing them. He cultivates those male qualities that benefit himself and the people he loves. In our society there is a small, noisy contingent of women (and a few men) who insist that masculinity is destructive and outdated, but I can assure you they are the minority.
When I surveyed women a few years ago for a different project, I asked them what they liked most about men. Most of the women were quite vocal about the qualities they appreciate in a man:
“Humor. Protectiveness. Strength.”
“Their sense of humor, their masculinity and strength.” “Their confidence, strength, and tendency to be easy-going.”
Strength and level-headedness were a major theme. They expressed adoration for masculine traits like independence and competitiveness. In my decade as a psychologist, I’ve heard plenty of complaints about husbands and boyfriends, but I have never heard a woman wish that her man was more like a girl.

Ability, willingness, and a masculine nature. If you possess these traits, then you possess what most women seek in a husband or partner. Congratulations. You’re a high-value man. It’s good to be wanted, isn’t it?

First, there is a flaw in the article you included and that is that it assumes that all "high value men" are only "high value" because they have the traits that make them high value to women. (We will leave the discussion of the potential change to this if the man and his admirers are gay men, as it complicates the subject enough to be distracting from my central point in this instance, without adding much to the specific discussion you bring up.) 

That is only one definition, and a very skewed one.

AM6 is about a man's achievement of his own highest potentials as a self-leading, self-reliant and self-capable man, for his own highest good. 

It doesn't rely on what women want or think as a measure of what its goals are.  It is about making the user a true, Transcendental Alpha.  The nice thing about that is, when a man does that, everything else naturally and automatically falls into place.  When he becomes his own support system, mentally, emotionally, financially, physically, he can (and typically will) do and achieve anything he chooses to.  As a Transcendent Alpha, he is not beholden to the group hierarchy for his ranking.  He is only beholden to himself.  If he chooses to do something, nothing but his own choices is holding him back.  

This type of man is at once invisible to, and very attractive to, women.  Invisible because he may or may not choose to be noticed, and because some women don't understand what a real alpha is.  They have been brainwashed into thinking only guys like Dwayne Johnson and Arnold Schwartzenegger are "alpha".  They don't look twice at guys who don't fit that stereotype, unless they happen to get to know him.  Then, his natural traits are going to trigger her natural attraction, to whatever degree her brainwashing has not subverted it.

This type of man is very attractive to women because once she notices him, once she realizes what he is, she's going to have attraction triggered naturally and automatically as a result.  Different women will be more or less attracted to individual men who are TAs, but there will almost always be attraction resulting from his natural displays of his achieving some or all of his highest potentials as a man.  

AM6 is about improving the man, and everything else is a natural consequence.  And yes, I agree, I should not have added a SM lead in.  That will not be present in AM7.

[Zubrowka]

Hej

Hello Shannon. I’m reading a book and came over the term “high value man”. I just would like to see if this definition goes in line with what you had in mind when designing AM. 

Sorry for being a pain in the ass with the rule 20 stuff the other day.

Are You a High-Value Man?
This book is for high-value men. Sometimes that term refers to a man’s income, or to the bounty on his head. Here it refers to the kind of man, rich or poor, whom women seek out for long-term commitment.
I didn’t invent the term. I’m not that clever. It comes from evolutionary psychology, a field of study explaining the behavior that helped humanity thrive. We have an amazing number of mental and behavioral predispositions that evolutionary psychologists refer to as adaptations. They keep us alive.
For example, worrying about the future is an adaptation that compels us to store food for lean times. A sense of humor is an adaptation that helps men attract women. Even pessimism appears to be adaptive. It’s a variety of error-management, a mental calculus that helps us prevent unpleasant surprises. It can be useful so long as it doesn’t get out of hand.
The high-value man, according to evolutionary psychologists, is one who possesses what women look for. In an outstanding review of evolutionary research, David Schmitt (2005) described the most basic, animalistic traits men and women seek in each other.
“Men place a greater premium on signals of fertility and reproductive value such as a woman’s youth and physical appearance,” he wrote. No surprise there.

“In contrast, women place a greater premium on a man’s status, resources, ambition, and maturity—cues relevant to his ability for long- term provisioning—and to his kindness, generosity, and emotional openness—cues to his willingness to provision women and their children.” Again, no surprises.
I know what some of you are thinking: we are all complex individuals with unique motivations. I agree, but beneath our individual complexities are ancient predispositions driving our desires. Men, in general, prefer a nice hip-to-waist ratio. Women, in general, prefer a nice debt-to-asset ratio.
So what constitutes a high-value man in the modern world? It appears little has changed since our ancestors were hunting and gathering. A man’s value to women boils down to those two words Dr. Schmitt italicized: ability and willingness .
High-value men have the ability to be long-term providers. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re wealthy. It simply means they possess certain qualities like foresight, discipline, a social network, resourcefulness, intelligence, and humor.
High-value men also have the willingness to stick around. Willingness is evident in qualities like generosity, emotional stability, and the ability to maintain emotional bonds. Maybe that’s why so many young couples end up with dogs. Puppies were probably invented so women could test men’s willingness to commit to a noisy, hungry creature with poor bowel control.
Essentially, the high-value man is open to commitment and professionally squared away—or at least he’s headed in that direction. I’d like to add one more trait to the list: masculinity. The high-value man doesn’t relinquish his testicles or apologize for possessing them. He cultivates those male qualities that benefit himself and the people he loves. In our society there is a small, noisy contingent of women (and a few men) who insist that masculinity is destructive and outdated, but I can assure you they are the minority.
When I surveyed women a few years ago for a different project, I asked them what they liked most about men. Most of the women were quite vocal about the qualities they appreciate in a man:
“Humor. Protectiveness. Strength.”
“Their sense of humor, their masculinity and strength.” “Their confidence, strength, and tendency to be easy-going.”
Strength and level-headedness were a major theme. They expressed adoration for masculine traits like independence and competitiveness. In my decade as a psychologist, I’ve heard plenty of complaints about husbands and boyfriends, but I have never heard a woman wish that her man was more like a girl.

Ability, willingness, and a masculine nature. If you possess these traits, then you possess what most women seek in a husband or partner. Congratulations. You’re a high-value man. It’s good to be wanted, isn’t it?

First, there is a flaw in the article you included and that is that it assumes that all "high value men" are only "high value" because they have the traits that make them high value to women. (We will leave the discussion of the potential change to this if the man and his admirers are gay men, as it complicates the subject enough to be distracting from my central point in this instance, without adding much to the specific discussion you bring up.) 

That is only one definition, and a very skewed one.

AM6 is about a man's achievement of his own highest potentials as a self-leading, self-reliant and self-capable man, for his own highest good. 

It doesn't rely on what women want or think as a measure of what its goals are.  It is about making the user a true, Transcendental Alpha.  The nice thing about that is, when a man does that, everything else naturally and automatically falls into place.  When he becomes his own support system, mentally, emotionally, financially, physically, he can (and typically will) do and achieve anything he chooses to.  As a Transcendent Alpha, he is not beholden to the group hierarchy for his ranking.  He is only beholden to himself.  If he chooses to do something, nothing but his own choices is holding him back.  

This type of man is at once invisible to, and very attractive to, women.  Invisible because he may or may not choose to be noticed, and because some women don't understand what a real alpha is.  They have been brainwashed into thinking only guys like Dwayne Johnson and Arnold Schwartzenegger are "alpha".  They don't look twice at guys who don't fit that stereotype, unless they happen to get to know him.  Then, his natural traits are going to trigger her natural attraction, to whatever degree her brainwashing has not subverted it.

This type of man is very attractive to women because once she notices him, once she realizes what he is, she's going to have attraction triggered naturally and automatically as a result.  Different women will be more or less attracted to individual men who are TAs, but there will almost always be attraction resulting from his natural displays of his achieving some or all of his highest potentials as a man.  

AM6 is about improving the man, and everything else is a natural consequence.  And yes, I agree, I should not have added a SM lead in.  That will not be present in AM7.

But still, which I suppose is what you mean with "everything falls into place" - when AM guides you to become your highest value by your own standards - many of those things overlap with what women find highly valuable? It's "only" that your frame of reference come from within yourself rather than being triggered by something outside yourself. 

By the way regarding FRM - I had big problems with AM, more than most - and I have been reflecting much on why. I think that my biggest fear - of letting go of fear - was that my sense of self was hidden behind fear - and if I would let go of fear - I wouldn't be able to control my behavior so my sense of self wasn't in danger of being challenged - as this challenging would be impossible as I wouldn't had anything to put against this challenge - which felt like I would die (I'm still not sure if this death would be impossible - you need to have some sense of self to be able to let go of fear otherwise it's nothing there...) - thus I think the extreme resistance that let to suicidal thoughts. 

It just hit me so I thought I would share it with you as I read you are working on it again. The logic is probably not fully complete but it's that far I understand it myself at this point.

[Shannon]

But still, which I suppose is what you mean with "everything falls into place" - when AM guides you to become your highest value by your own standards - many of those things overlap with what women find highly valuable? It's "only" that your frame of reference come from within yourself rather than being triggered by something outside yourself. 

Again... AM6 aims at causing you to achieve your highest potential.  Your value, be it to yourself or others, results from that.  And as I said above, everything falls into place because that does result in you becoming high value for others, including women.  AM6 is not concerned with women at all (outside the SM lead in, which really is just mixing the last stages of AM with the first stages of SM; AM itself is about you, achieving your potential, making yourself the best man you can be in the self respect/self esteem/self direction/self validation/self leadership, etc. directions).  

By the way regarding FRM - I had big problems with AM, more than most - and I have been reflecting much on why. I think that my biggest fear - of letting go of fear - was that my sense of self was hidden behind fear - and if I would let go of fear - I wouldn't be able to control my behavior so my sense of self wasn't in danger of being challenged - as this challenging would be impossible as I wouldn't had anything to put against this challenge - which felt like I would die (I'm still not sure if this death would be impossible - you need to have some sense of self to be able to let go of fear otherwise it's nothing there...) - thus I think the extreme resistance that let to suicidal thoughts. 

It just hit me so I thought I would share it with you as I read you are working on it again. The logic is probably not fully complete but it's that far I understand it myself at this point.

I think it goes a little more like this.  Your current identity is based on fear.  Without that fear, and it's limitations, you wouldn't feel safe.  If you let go of that control, you would still be in control - it just wouldn't be the fearful part of you doing the controlling.  It would be another part, a part which had outgrown the fear.  But because the fearful part knew that if it wasn't controlling your choices you would be at risk of doing and/or experiencing what it was afraid of, it resisted the instructions and shut you down the only way it knew how.  Most likely, it was convinced you would die as a result of the changes that AM was trying to make and the resulting freedom from fear and the choices and actions you would take, and its only way of stopping you was to threaten suicide.  After all, if the alternative is still death, what's to lose?

The fact is, that fearful part of you doesn't die when I succeed in getting you to do what the script is asking you to do; it simply stops being afraid.  But the nature of fear is, as you stated, that there is often a fear of being without fear, because the perception is that "fear keeps me safe".  In reality, logic keeps you just as safe, and fear is really only useful for keeping you safe before you develop enough understanding to use that logic.  After that, it's only useful for limiting you in irrational ways.

AM6 doesn't have a FRM.  It has my earliest attempts at dealing with fear in the method I was using before FRM, which was an effort at "healing and clearing" the fears and their causes.  That would specifically be EHPRA v1.

[LionKing]

...

The fact is, that fearful part of you doesn't die when I succeed in getting you to do what the script is asking you to do; it simply stops being afraid.  But the nature of fear is, as you stated, that there is often a fear of being without fear, because the perception is that "fear keeps me safe".  In reality, logic keeps you just as safe, and fear is really only useful for keeping you safe before you develop enough understanding to use that logic.  After that, it's only useful for limiting you in irrational ways.

AM6 doesn't have a FRM.  It has my earliest attempts at dealing with fear in the method I was using before FRM, which was an effort at "healing and clearing" the fears and their causes.  That would specifically be EHPRA v1.

A response I got internally to "logic keeps you just as safe" right now was that logic isn't always there, assuming by "logic" you mean the thinking done by the conscious mind. It's very limited in how many things it can be processing at the same time, so e.g. if it was processing a work-related problem and and then something "dangerous" would be detected in the environment subconsciously, then the subconscious would need to raise the alarm (feeling of fear) to get the conscious part to process the situation and ensure our safety. But it's likely there has already been so much fear that a learned response (habit) has been formed to "hold" that fear in place with muscular tension, building up mental tension.

So If that's correct, then there already is this hand-off mechanism to let the conscious part deal with the situation, but (1) there's too much and (2) the fear signal doesn't turn off effectively. Not sure what the OK signal is back from the conscious mind to the subconscious that all is progressed... Maybe none, and the fear signal is present until the environmental triggers are removed, and its just expected that the conscious mind would decide on actions to leave or remove the threat. Again, we can't count of the conscious mind to not give it enough focus to process it fully and then forget or avoid to ever do that, so the reminder of fear is then necessary, like a post-it note.

Of course danger/threat can be anything, e.g. the small of blood caused by a mentally-deranged tiger piling and hiding human bodies behind the car om the street that you're about to pass, to a cute babe/guy about to get the first impression of you, to perceiving to be behind or inadequate at work. So I suppose this classification would be another possible piece to try to mess with, in addition to the signaling discussed above.

Do you still think the healing and clearing process works to reduce fear, if e.g. running E3 stand alone? Would that be through desensitizing oneself by examining the situation at length and, once the emotion is reduced, rationally to realize the fear is not justified, and thus allowing the subconscious to ignore those threat signals in the environment (also maybe mental environment)? I get that "execute when cleared" doesn't work because one doesn't ever consider himself cleared.

[ichigo]

If we are running a different subliminal e.g. LTU5, how often do you recommend we can use Tranquilizer B for 1 loop to help us fall asleep per week without derailing the other subliminal?