Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Oversoul]

Yeah, TBH Ive been a club promoter for a couple of years before. Its easy as hell to get girls. You have an excuse to approach and charm hot women and they dont mind it because they know(or think) your main goal is to sell them a club ticket. They also know subconsciously that you're popular/confident and know how to connect with girls. You also provide them with fun experience by getting them into clubs.

That is, if you are actually a good promoter and not scared to talk to girls. Believe it or not, there are promoters that are scared of girls.

[SargeMaximus]

Yeah, TBH Ive been a club promoter for a couple of years before. Its easy as hell to get girls. You have an excuse to approach and charm hot women and they dont mind it because they know(or think) your main goal is to sell them a club ticket. They also know subconsciously that you're popular/confident and know how to connect with girls. You also provide them with fun experience by getting them into clubs.

That is, if you are actually a good promoter and not scared to talk to girls. Believe it or not, there are promoters that are scared of girls.

I’d like to hear more about your experiences and why you don’t do it anymore but I dont want to derail the thread. Pm me?

[lano1106]

He did all that without DMSI. Imagine that.

I wonder if a guy like that would just entertain the idea of trying out DMSI for the purpose of having even more than what he already has...

If you see women as "objects" to game or sex as "an end goal", then yeah the idea of having "even more" would be appealing.

If instead you love women as they are and view sex as just one step in having a connection, then you'll experience what he experienced.

yeah sure. You are right. A guy that keep track of his lay count and surpass 6,000 lays obviously love women as they are and view sex as just one step in having a connection like you say

I did some quick math. 6,000 lays over 40 years is 150 women per year. About 3 new women per week. The guy love so much women as they are that he invented the deep connection fast food style.

He worked as a nightclub promoter. His access to women with a high turnover makes it easy for him to get laid.

It really isn't that hard to believe. If you're interested in connecting with women and actually enjoying them, when it comes time to leave, they'll want to leave with you.

I never said that it was hard to believe that he did that.

I was highlighting the oddity that you find a guy laying over 6,000 girls connecting with women in contrast to objectifying them.

While, in my definition, the simple act of keeping a laycount is by definition an objectification and I could be wrong but after a certain point, each girl become just a number.

That being said, I'm not making a judgement if it is good or bad. As long as everyone is consenting and happy, it is all good in my book.

However, I felt like you were insinuating that *I* was objectifying women because I was curious about what DMSI would do to a guy with a 6,000 laycount and that him instead was connecting with women hence was having a lot of sex. I didn't like what you were suggesting

FYI, you can have a lot of sex without ever connecting with your multiple partners...

[Shannon]

I just want to point out that upon using DMSI 3.1 in July 2017 after only 2 weeks, I got my first and only DMSI success. It did happen exactly as advertised.

I went to a wedding. I saw a cute brunette very early on and I remember imagining having sex with her and having the desire to have sex with the girl as I was looking at her.

Then, a series of "lucky" events, such as ending up on the seat next to her during the dinner. Of course, since I was attracted to her, I did flirt a bit with her.

It is as if, I took the conscious decision of wanting the girl and my subconscious mind did the work to make it happen.

1 week later, she found me on FB. Started to chat with me. Wanted to see me again. She did confess that she was masturbating several times per day thinking about me and she is being feeling that way since the wedding because of the way that I was looking at her (No idea how I did that exactly...)

That was the best friend with benefit that I have never had before. She knew that I was very busy so she was doing everything she could to accommodate me like she was renting a hotel room in the morning nearby my place. She was bringing a breakfast. All I had to do was to meet her, have sex with her and let her spoil me.

This relation ended up painfully. First, she knew that I was unavailable for anything else than some casual sex and at first she was fine with that. But She found me so extraordinaire that she ended up in love with me, wanted to have a kid from me and the break up has been painful.

Hence, in retrospect, I must confess that this made me freak out and I must have resisted DMSI since that moment to avoid the same kind of awkward situation. I have consciously made that realisation when I stopped using DMSI to give AM6 a try in July 2018.

Despite seeing a lot of women that I find very attractive. I have never looked again at a girl and telling to myself. I want to have this girl in my bed like I did with my first success.

but honestly, my first DMSI was fast, the best FWB relation where the girl was taking care of the logistic and was making it easy for me to just "come" see her. and it was exactly as advertised in the DMSI sales page.

This is useful information. We need to find a way to prevent them from going off the deep end if possible. This may not be possible; it may be something that you guys will have to learn to deal with. But this shows that the program does work, if executed.

Shannon I think you should leave out this for us to deal with. I fear it may create confusion on the target. I have experienced similar results on 3.0 however it was both of us falling in love.

Killing the "baby rabies" may be possible without confusing the people affected. However, I am not sure it can be done without lessening the effect, since there is nothing more powerful than the drive to reproduce. I am going to see if I can't find why they're responding that way, and turn it into a desire for sex for fun, instead. If it's possible, why not?

[Shannon]

@Shannon
After reading your and Catman's discussion I see that I could be one of the so-called 2% or in my case perhaps 1% since nothing has worked for me on any sub of the many I have tried except for no-fap from 1 loop on 3.2. Multiple loops did nothing.

I don't want to be in this minority. I want to execute and I want you to succeed for me for Catman and everyone. It's in our vested interested afterall.

I started with IML in 2015 officially which is when I packed my bags and flew to Europe to do my dream degree. I invested in a $400 dollar stereo speaker system - us brand (A2+ AudioEngine) - shipped over to me in Europe all at a considerable cost as I believe both in the subs and my belief for wanting them to work.

I jumped from sub to sub hoping they worked purchasing each as I went forward and had issues in playing regularly as I had obstacles in my way either from my health or from travelling back, a flooded room in the UK meaning sleeping in the lounge when last member of family went to sleep (ie not getting 8 loops worth of sleep or listening time)and so forth or a silly inconsistent uni schedule or my own insomnia etc.

I would play via my mobile when I would return to the UK as I couldn't find any affordable cheap speakers to play whilst in the UK and would play with a mobile since this was assured to me I could by you. Only now I got an answer indirectly that mobiles work for you probably only you thus went and bought brand new speakers for my UK bedroom to play whenever I return back to the UK to my newly refurbished bedroom.

I have only been listening to um/op for a short time so far coming to my 2nd break of 2 days soon and so far nothing.

I really want to help you to help me and all like me.

I try to positively and politely always give feedback and my pov as and when I can. I don't always read everything on this forum nor visit daily due to time so don't take it to heart at all when others get critical of my questions since this is me asking what I genuinely need to know due to how I feel at that moment in time.

I now after reading your discussion really want to help you to make every sub work for all of us from the 98 to the 2 and 1%.

What can I do to help you? I am happy to and only for this reason happy to leave um/op and get back on dmsi if this helps or whatever you suggest.

I want these subs to work and I do whatever I can. Nothing for me has changed. When the no fap worked on 3.2 I did nothing different. I played and I listened and only variable I saw was that for the 1 loop I used headphones. Perhaps for me or for all headphones are the only means for execution but more than 1 loop with headphones is very uncomfortable or unlikely for me due to my lifestyle. I still do believe headphones are the variable that allowed me to execute 3.2 no fap subgoal.

Post 3.2 so far um/op hasn't shown me any indication of execution. It's the same tech but no execution.

To help you with as much support and data as I can what would you like and what would you suggest I do for you?

Thanks buddy and to Catman and all good luck to us!

The key to being helpful is to help me understand how and why you are resisting, and how to help you execute instead. So far the only thing I have been able to do to figure this out is build, observe, adjust, repeat.

The next few versions of DMSI are going to need to be tested by the most challenging of you. I'm seeing a definite pattern in why the resistance is happening, and what is behind it. Figuring out how to change it to execution is what I'm working on now.

The only thing I can suggest is, keep doing DMSI when it comes out, and stick to whatever instructions I give you during the run.

[Shannon]

Shannon is there any plans to include into LTU modules that will alter peoples perception of us? I really enjoyed the celebrity effect and got offered a few management jobs from it.

I can see how some of the already noted modules could create and alter peoples perceptions but I am wondering if altering peoples perception of the user is a direct goal of LTU or a side effect.

No. LTU isn't designed to affect others' perception of you. It's designed to affect you, make you better, make your life better, and make things better for you. It's not about other people, it's about you.

If others change their perception of you as a result, it will be because you are a happier, more successful person as a result, most likely.

[Shannon]

Shannon, since i started BASE i have some really good results. My productivity is very high, i got two minor strategy adjustments, i constructed my schedule better, my focus is better than before and financially everything is slightly better, all these in nine days of listening base while i took a break only 3-4 days from uslm. Do you think those results are from USLM or BASE? If you dont know can you give me an estimation, like you are 70% sure it uslm and 30% BASE. I lost the ''high feeling'' the last 4 days and i got insane headache even though i listen from speakers. Can you tell me why you think that happened? Thank you in advance

I think those results are from USLM and BASE. When you lost the high feeling and got the headache, you were experiencing what we call turbulence, which is what happens when you don't follow the instructions and let one sub fade before the other is started.

[Shannon]

UMOP is not included in USLM as a goal or subgoal. The motivation is a natural side effect of USLM.

[Shannon]

Just one reference in there is left now, @Shannon : https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Men-s...#pid206650

It's in your reply to me in that post. The one IN my quoted post you removed already, thanks! This one is the last one.

LOL Hatman, I dig that Steven Crowder reference. His channel on YT is hilarious. He has brass balls in my opinion. I'd never be able to comfortably debate about issues like that, on those subjects nowadays, in front of a huge audience. Nope, no thanks, way too much drama for my taste, lol. Great viewing though .

Done.

[Shannon]

LTU is gonna get made after dimsee 3.3, if I remember correctly right?

Yes, it looks like given how things are going, it is best if I just focus on DMSI 3.3 and then build other things.

[SargeMaximus]

I just want to point out that upon using DMSI 3.1 in July 2017 after only 2 weeks, I got my first and only DMSI success. It did happen exactly as advertised.

I went to a wedding. I saw a cute brunette very early on and I remember imagining having sex with her and having the desire to have sex with the girl as I was looking at her.

Then, a series of "lucky" events, such as ending up on the seat next to her during the dinner. Of course, since I was attracted to her, I did flirt a bit with her.

It is as if, I took the conscious decision of wanting the girl and my subconscious mind did the work to make it happen.

1 week later, she found me on FB. Started to chat with me. Wanted to see me again. She did confess that she was masturbating several times per day thinking about me and she is being feeling that way since the wedding because of the way that I was looking at her (No idea how I did that exactly...)

That was the best friend with benefit that I have never had before. She knew that I was very busy so she was doing everything she could to accommodate me like she was renting a hotel room in the morning nearby my place. She was bringing a breakfast. All I had to do was to meet her, have sex with her and let her spoil me.

This relation ended up painfully. First, she knew that I was unavailable for anything else than some casual sex and at first she was fine with that. But She found me so extraordinaire that she ended up in love with me, wanted to have a kid from me and the break up has been painful.

Hence, in retrospect, I must confess that this made me freak out and I must have resisted DMSI since that moment to avoid the same kind of awkward situation. I have consciously made that realisation when I stopped using DMSI to give AM6 a try in July 2018.

Despite seeing a lot of women that I find very attractive. I have never looked again at a girl and telling to myself. I want to have this girl in my bed like I did with my first success.

but honestly, my first DMSI was fast, the best FWB relation where the girl was taking care of the logistic and was making it easy for me to just "come" see her. and it was exactly as advertised in the DMSI sales page.

This is useful information. We need to find a way to prevent them from going off the deep end if possible. This may not be possible; it may be something that you guys will have to learn to deal with. But this shows that the program does work, if executed.

Shannon I think you should leave out this for us to deal with. I fear it may create confusion on the target. I have experienced similar results on 3.0 however it was both of us falling in love.

Killing the "baby rabies" may be possible without confusing the people affected. However, I am not sure it can be done without lessening the effect, since there is nothing more powerful than the drive to reproduce. I am going to see if I can't find why they're responding that way, and turn it into a desire for sex for fun, instead. If it's possible, why not?

This is promising. Can you also maybe make it so that the "baby rabies" woman is willing to go at the user's pace so as not to lose out on his babies? Like, if she thinks sex for fun is what will win you over and lead to babies down the road.

I'll try to explain it better: what if "sex for fun" or "as long as the user desires it" was a pre-condition of babies and commitment? That's pretty much how it works in real life anyways, people don't commit to other people (generally) until after the partner has proven themselves.

It would be easy to make the user the judge of when she "passes the test" and, in the meantime, sex for fun is part of the requirements. (as would be aborting unwanted pregnancies and not having babies till the user wanted them)

I'm thinking of Californication where Moody had that crazy chick who ended up trying to kill him (I'm not saying we want girls like that, and, to clear it up once and for all: I would absolutely be FOR the anti-sniper on that type of woman), anyhow, the situation is that she does everything he wants and frames herself as a casual lay, but eventually you realize she was just doing that because she wanted him to commit. I'm sure that kind of dynamic happens in real life as well and it could be used in DMSI. Anyhow, just an idea.

[Shannon]

I just want to point out that upon using DMSI 3.1 in July 2017 after only 2 weeks, I got my first and only DMSI success. It did happen exactly as advertised.

I went to a wedding. I saw a cute brunette very early on and I remember imagining having sex with her and having the desire to have sex with the girl as I was looking at her.

Then, a series of "lucky" events, such as ending up on the seat next to her during the dinner. Of course, since I was attracted to her, I did flirt a bit with her.

It is as if, I took the conscious decision of wanting the girl and my subconscious mind did the work to make it happen.

1 week later, she found me on FB. Started to chat with me. Wanted to see me again. She did confess that she was masturbating several times per day thinking about me and she is being feeling that way since the wedding because of the way that I was looking at her (No idea how I did that exactly...)

That was the best friend with benefit that I have never had before. She knew that I was very busy so she was doing everything she could to accommodate me like she was renting a hotel room in the morning nearby my place. She was bringing a breakfast. All I had to do was to meet her, have sex with her and let her spoil me.

This relation ended up painfully. First, she knew that I was unavailable for anything else than some casual sex and at first she was fine with that. But She found me so extraordinaire that she ended up in love with me, wanted to have a kid from me and the break up has been painful.

Hence, in retrospect, I must confess that this made me freak out and I must have resisted DMSI since that moment to avoid the same kind of awkward situation. I have consciously made that realisation when I stopped using DMSI to give AM6 a try in July 2018.

Despite seeing a lot of women that I find very attractive. I have never looked again at a girl and telling to myself. I want to have this girl in my bed like I did with my first success.

but honestly, my first DMSI was fast, the best FWB relation where the girl was taking care of the logistic and was making it easy for me to just "come" see her. and it was exactly as advertised in the DMSI sales page.

This is useful information. We need to find a way to prevent them from going off the deep end if possible. This may not be possible; it may be something that you guys will have to learn to deal with. But this shows that the program does work, if executed.

Shannon I think you should leave out this for us to deal with. I fear it may create confusion on the target. I have experienced similar results on 3.0 however it was both of us falling in love.

Killing the "baby rabies" may be possible without confusing the people affected. However, I am not sure it can be done without lessening the effect, since there is nothing more powerful than the drive to reproduce. I am going to see if I can't find why they're responding that way, and turn it into a desire for sex for fun, instead. If it's possible, why not?

This is promising. Can you also maybe make it so that the "baby rabies" woman is willing to go at the user's pace so as not to lose out on his babies? Like, if she thinks sex for fun is what will win you over and lead to babies down the road.

I'll try to explain it better: what if "sex for fun" or "as long as the user desires it" was a pre-condition of babies and commitment? That's pretty much how it works in real life anyways, people don't commit to other people (generally) until after the partner has proven themselves.

It would be easy to make the user the judge of when she "passes the test" and, in the meantime, sex for fun is part of the requirements. (as would be aborting unwanted pregnancies and not having babies till the user wanted them)

I'm thinking of Californication where Moody had that crazy chick who ended up trying to kill him (I'm not saying we want girls like that, and, to clear it up once and for all: I would absolutely be FOR the anti-sniper on that type of woman), anyhow, the situation is that she does everything he wants and frames herself as a casual lay, but eventually you realize she was just doing that because she wanted him to commit. I'm sure that kind of dynamic happens in real life as well and it could be used in DMSI. Anyhow, just an idea.

So you're suggesting that we get people who respond to intentionally try to deceive the user in a different way, to achieve the same exact goal.

Not what I had in mind.

I think the best way to go forward is to figure out what exactly it is in the script that's triggering baby rabies, and then turn it into seeking sex for fun, while leaving things open for the user and the affected to change it to something more if they like, but making it so sex with the user is always fun and always desirable and sought out because of that.

[SargeMaximus]

This is useful information. We need to find a way to prevent them from going off the deep end if possible. This may not be possible; it may be something that you guys will have to learn to deal with. But this shows that the program does work, if executed.

Shannon I think you should leave out this for us to deal with. I fear it may create confusion on the target. I have experienced similar results on 3.0 however it was both of us falling in love.

Killing the "baby rabies" may be possible without confusing the people affected. However, I am not sure it can be done without lessening the effect, since there is nothing more powerful than the drive to reproduce. I am going to see if I can't find why they're responding that way, and turn it into a desire for sex for fun, instead. If it's possible, why not?

This is promising. Can you also maybe make it so that the "baby rabies" woman is willing to go at the user's pace so as not to lose out on his babies? Like, if she thinks sex for fun is what will win you over and lead to babies down the road.

I'll try to explain it better: what if "sex for fun" or "as long as the user desires it" was a pre-condition of babies and commitment? That's pretty much how it works in real life anyways, people don't commit to other people (generally) until after the partner has proven themselves.

It would be easy to make the user the judge of when she "passes the test" and, in the meantime, sex for fun is part of the requirements. (as would be aborting unwanted pregnancies and not having babies till the user wanted them)

I'm thinking of Californication where Moody had that crazy chick who ended up trying to kill him (I'm not saying we want girls like that, and, to clear it up once and for all: I would absolutely be FOR the anti-sniper on that type of woman), anyhow, the situation is that she does everything he wants and frames herself as a casual lay, but eventually you realize she was just doing that because she wanted him to commit. I'm sure that kind of dynamic happens in real life as well and it could be used in DMSI. Anyhow, just an idea.

So you're suggesting that we get people who respond to intentionally try to deceive the user in a different way, to achieve the same exact goal.

Not what I had in mind.

I think the best way to go forward is to figure out what exactly it is in the script that's triggering baby rabies, and then turn it into seeking sex for fun, while leaving things open for the user and the affected to change it to something more if they like, but making it so sex with the user is always fun and always desirable and sought out because of that.

No, no deceiving. I want kids one day myself. I'm sure anyone would if the right conditions were met.

[Oversoul]

Yeah, TBH Ive been a club promoter for a couple of years before. Its easy as hell to get girls. You have an excuse to approach and charm hot women and they dont mind it because they know(or think) your main goal is to sell them a club ticket. They also know subconsciously that you're popular/confident and know how to connect with girls. You also provide them with fun experience by getting them into clubs.

That is, if you are actually a good promoter and not scared to talk to girls. Believe it or not, there are promoters that are scared of girls.

I’d like to hear more about your experiences and why you don’t do it anymore but I dont want to derail the thread. Pm me?

Pm'ed