Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Greenduck]

Which? That I'm resisting because women are killjoys or are you saying women being killjoys is a belief? I can assure you it's not. I've not come across a woman yet who wasn't weird in a way that didn't kill my mood in some regard.

Hi there,

This is really nothing personal directed to you, but when I read the paragraph above the following saying popped up into my mind:

"Every once in a while it's true that the problem is other people. But, honestly, that's rare. Look around you very carefully. If everyone else is an idiot, the truth is that the problem is probably you."

Have you considered that you are causing the problem that you are talking about? Maybe girls can't relax enough around you to create the needed conditions for a mutually enjoying relationship?

On a more personal note to you I somewhat recognize myself in you, in a way that I strived to much for external results and didn't realize that I had lost touch with myself, and that was what really caused my problems. During my darker moments I forgot that life (and relationships) can actually by simple, good, enjoyable and satisfying in themselves, so I know the feeling of not finding this as a possible scenario and therefore write of that possibility for yourself (hope that make sense, I can try to clarify if not)

[Shannon]

That is certainly not a helpful belief system.

Which? That I'm resisting because women are killjoys or are you saying women being killjoys is a belief? I can assure you it's not. I've not come across a woman yet who wasn't weird in a way that didn't kill my mood in some regard.

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How you perceive the world around you is based on what you believe to be true. Your frame of reference. If your frame of reference is, "All women are a pain in the ass to deal with.", guess what you experience? This is in large part why we say... what you believe, you will achieve.

So it looks to me like you have that frame of reference based on beliefs you hold, based on past experiences, thus attracting to you what you experienced in the past and creating a feedback loop. And of course you don't realize this, or that you have those beliefs, or that what you believe is what you attune yourself to, attract and experience.

I have been through something similar. I saw how drastically different the women I began attracting were after I changed my base beliefs and the resulting frame of reference.

[blth]

My father is really unlucky person, he always had this frame of reference. He has a business which is decent but nothing special and i suspect this might be the reason, because he attracts bad incidents somehow. Same with my brother. What would you recommend from your subscriptions in order to change that frame? Any other advice on that matter is appreciated

[DarthXedonias]

Perhaps it is. The subconscious certainly is adept at twisting things to suit its desires. I think 3.3 will be a big step forward for you and everyone else, even if I did include the AS module. At this point, I have to point out to you that the AS is designed to be very specific, and I think you are somewhat misunderstanding it.

Without giving away trade secrets, it sounds to me like you consciously believe the AS does X, when it actually does Y. It has a series of things that it specifies and then you subconsciously assess how much trouble would result from allowing her to be sniped. Then it reverses the sniper to that degree.

However, I currently am of the opinion that this is a potential area of abuse and escape for the subconscious, so as I said, unless the models direct me to include it, I am going to leave it out. We can worry about making it work in another version if that happens.

I did have a question about this and I will understand if you don't particularly have the answer for this. It was just something I was wondering about. How does the concept of time have to do with the AS? I ask this because I remember you said that different levels of the subconscious perceive time differently and some don't perceive time at all. So lets say your subconscious sees a girl then , based on the perception of time based on the layer of subconscious involved, it determines she will do something 2 or 4 that is really crazy and will make you really unhappy. Will it then activate the AS to disqualify her based on that one incident 2-4 years from now? Is there wording in the script that says it has to be behavior that "consistently" makes you unhappy?

Also, Even if it is consistent crazy behavior that makes you unhappy lets say she is ok the first 5 years of knowing her but then after the 5th year something happens that she in response starts acting crazy for like the next 2 years afterwards. Will the subconscious see that, based on its perception or non-perception of time, and disqualify the woman based on that? Either way I will go with what the models say is the best course of action. Just wanted to know if in this type of scenario the subconscious might rightly ( or wrongly, in the case of doing it because it wants to find a reason to refuse to execute) activate the AS. I think it might be a plausible question to ask since I have seen this happen where the women in question seems alright for the first couple of years but then later she "goes off the deep end" or gets depressed (death in the family, etc) for years which causes their partner to become incredibly unhappy due to the change in attitude, demeanor, etc.

I could be wrong or you might have already thought of this. Just thought I would ask or point out this type of scenario if it hasn't been thought about in case the AS does make it in this version. Either way, like I said I will fully supporting whatever the models say is the best.

[Chris P. Bacon]

Shannon

I don't remember seeing you say it anywhere, but I believe add a way to incite hope for the future/present in LTU 5.5 would be a good inclusion if it isn't already.

[Kol]

Anyone else noticing the forums are loading slow?

[AlphaRomeo]

Shannon

I don't remember seeing you say it anywhere, but I believe add a way to incite hope for the future/present in LTU 5.5 would be a good inclusion if it isn't already.

Hope, while positive feeling, sounds a bit passive. It´s like you are hoping things to happen (or not to happen), but not really doing anything to make them happen. There are probably more empowering states than that which would be more useful in LTU. Then again, maybe that is just my own (limited?) perception of what hope means. My subconscious mind might go like "Let´s hope for the best...while I don´t actually have to DO anything" instead of "Let´s do everything we can to achieve our goals AND hope that all goes well...". Even with later statement, the hope sounds like not owning the thing.

[Chris P. Bacon]

Shannon

I don't remember seeing you say it anywhere, but I believe add a way to incite hope for the future/present in LTU 5.5 would be a good inclusion if it isn't already.

Hope, while positive feeling, sounds a bit passive. It´s like you are hoping things to happen (or not to happen), but not really doing anything to make them happen. There are probably more empowering states than that which would be more useful in LTU. Then again, maybe that is just my own (limited?) perception of what hope means. My subconscious mind might go like "Let´s hope for the best...while I don´t actually have to DO anything" instead of "Let´s do everything we can to achieve our goals AND hope that all goes well...". Even with later statement, the hope sounds like not owning the thing.

Your statements about hope accurately describe the dismal state of the word as we know it today. Most people use hope as a synonym for "VAIN WISHING", which isn't the original way that the word hope was used in the English language. I run into this all the time when I try to use the word hope so I fully understand where you are coming from. That being said I want to describe what hope actually means as defined by the original intent of the word.

Around the late 1800's to early 1900's the meaning of the word hope slowly morphed into the concept of vain wishing from its original meaning which was closer to the intent of the word EXPECTATION. Hope was more often used as a clear definition and confident expectation of a state that is better in the future than in the present. Thus, it had the underlying effect of pushing and driving people to work hard, delay gratification among other things. The word hope more accurately dips into the believing side of humanity and says "yes, the life can and will get better". Think about the implications for a human that has a clear and defined belief that the future will be better than the present. The drive that hope can instill a push in someone for a better future in a present that is mediocre, or worse, absolutely horrifying, is not to be dismissed.

When life sucks, when humanity is rearing its ugly side, when atrocities are everywhere or when the car breaks down or you don't get that job. Hope (a confident expectation that the future can be better than the present) can push you forward. In absence of hope, emotions get the better of you, you live for the present and its current pleasures, life's inevitable sufferings become too much to bear because "what's the point?". It's quite possible that hope could encourage subliminal users (us) to push past resistance and to wade into the unavoidable chaos that happens due to loss of stability when you are replacing old values and beliefs for new ones. Most people don't enter that territory willingly. But if you have hope (confident expectation) that past the fear of the unknown and belief restructuring process is a better tomorrow and its elevated to a point of surety, which is what hope does, the suffering and chaos suddenly has a point and meaning to it. No one wants to suffer needlessly and life can feel like needless suffering sometimes. But hope puts a goal of a better life beyond the present suffering, and that belief in a better tomorrow becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Thus, hope becomes a driver and a reason to face the present suffering with dignity and grace. It also understands that we are not perfect as we are have room for improvement and that improvement will make our life better and that we can and will get through this and life will be better on the other side.

That is hope!!!! Not vain wishing which is the self delusion of powerless people, but the expectation of the strong and strong willed.

[Shannon]

My father is really unlucky person, he always had this frame of reference. He has a business which is decent but nothing special and i suspect this might be the reason, because he attracts bad incidents somehow. Same with my brother. What would you recommend from your subscriptions in order to change that frame? Any other advice on that matter is appreciated

Well, USLM isn't a bad idea...

LTU, when it comes out...

Educating him as to the reality he focuses into becoming what he experiences would help, if he listens.

[Shannon]

Perhaps it is. The subconscious certainly is adept at twisting things to suit its desires. I think 3.3 will be a big step forward for you and everyone else, even if I did include the AS module. At this point, I have to point out to you that the AS is designed to be very specific, and I think you are somewhat misunderstanding it.

Without giving away trade secrets, it sounds to me like you consciously believe the AS does X, when it actually does Y. It has a series of things that it specifies and then you subconsciously assess how much trouble would result from allowing her to be sniped. Then it reverses the sniper to that degree.

However, I currently am of the opinion that this is a potential area of abuse and escape for the subconscious, so as I said, unless the models direct me to include it, I am going to leave it out. We can worry about making it work in another version if that happens.

I did have a question about this and I will understand if you don't particularly have the answer for this. It was just something I was wondering about. How does the concept of time have to do with the AS? I ask this because I remember you said that different levels of the subconscious perceive time differently and some don't perceive time at all. So lets say your subconscious sees a girl then , based on the perception of time based on the layer of subconscious involved, it determines she will do something 2 or 4 that is really crazy and will make you really unhappy. Will it then activate the AS to disqualify her based on that one incident 2-4 years from now? Is there wording in the script that says it has to be behavior that "consistently" makes you unhappy?

Also, Even if it is consistent crazy behavior that makes you unhappy lets say she is ok the first 5 years of knowing her but then after the 5th year something happens that she in response starts acting crazy for like the next 2 years afterwards. Will the subconscious see that, based on its perception or non-perception of time, and disqualify the woman based on that? Either way I will go with what the models say is the best course of action. Just wanted to know if in this type of scenario the subconscious might rightly ( or wrongly, in the case of doing it because it wants to find a reason to refuse to execute) activate the AS. I think it might be a plausible question to ask since I have seen this happen where the women in question seems alright for the first couple of years but then later she "goes off the deep end" or gets depressed (death in the family, etc) for years which causes their partner to become incredibly unhappy due to the change in attitude, demeanor, etc.

I could be wrong or you might have already thought of this. Just thought I would ask or point out this type of scenario if it hasn't been thought about in case the AS does make it in this version. Either way, like I said I will fully supporting whatever the models say is the best.

Every moment, you have almost unlimited options for what you can do. Every moment spawns another set of these options. The most likely are probability lines, and the less likely are possibility lines. Even if we ignore possibility lines, we are left with a rapidly diffusing set of probabilities that are most likely to happen, and after a period of time the only thing that becomes significantly discernible is things which are going to be experienced regardless of what you do or do not do.

The questions you ask had occurred to me, and the result is that I have concluded that the AS is not complex or specific enough to accurately and consistently handle all of this yet. So as I stated before, unless the models tell me that it is better to have it in place, I will be leaving the AS out. And if I do have the AS in place, I will need to make it considerably more specific before I release it.

[Shannon]

Shannon

I don't remember seeing you say it anywhere, but I believe add a way to incite hope for the future/present in LTU 5.5 would be a good inclusion if it isn't already.

Hope, while positive feeling, sounds a bit passive. It´s like you are hoping things to happen (or not to happen), but not really doing anything to make them happen. There are probably more empowering states than that which would be more useful in LTU. Then again, maybe that is just my own (limited?) perception of what hope means. My subconscious mind might go like "Let´s hope for the best...while I don´t actually have to DO anything" instead of "Let´s do everything we can to achieve our goals AND hope that all goes well...". Even with later statement, the hope sounds like not owning the thing.

There are two major forms of hope. The form of hope that is preservative of action, and the form of hope that is used to reduce action.

If one is facing tough challenges to their ability to accomplish something, and they lose hope, they will tend to stop seeing the value in continuing to try, and give up.

Giving up = guaranteed failure.

That is the good kind of hope.

The other kind of hope is, "Wow, this is hard. I'll just sit here and hope for something to come along and fix it for me."

This kind of hope is choosing to not act, and not try, and "hope for the best" so you don't have to try, but you still have an excuse to keep focusing on the goal. This sort of hope is not helpful.

The first kind of hope is going to be used in LTU.

[AlphaRomeo]

Shannon

I don't remember seeing you say it anywhere, but I believe add a way to incite hope for the future/present in LTU 5.5 would be a good inclusion if it isn't already.

Hope, while positive feeling, sounds a bit passive. It´s like you are hoping things to happen (or not to happen), but not really doing anything to make them happen. There are probably more empowering states than that which would be more useful in LTU. Then again, maybe that is just my own (limited?) perception of what hope means. My subconscious mind might go like "Let´s hope for the best...while I don´t actually have to DO anything" instead of "Let´s do everything we can to achieve our goals AND hope that all goes well...". Even with later statement, the hope sounds like not owning the thing.

There are two major forms of hope. The form of hope that is preservative of action, and the form of hope that is used to reduce action.

If one is facing tough challenges to their ability to accomplish something, and they lose hope, they will tend to stop seeing the value in continuing to try, and give up.

Giving up = guaranteed failure.

That is the good kind of hope.

The other kind of hope is, "Wow, this is hard. I'll just sit here and hope for something to come along and fix it for me."

This kind of hope is choosing to not act, and not try, and "hope for the best" so you don't have to try, but you still have an excuse to keep focusing on the goal. This sort of hope is not helpful.

The first kind of hope is going to be used in LTU.

Thanks for the input Shannon, makes sense.

[AlphaRomeo]

Shannon

I don't remember seeing you say it anywhere, but I believe add a way to incite hope for the future/present in LTU 5.5 would be a good inclusion if it isn't already.

Hope, while positive feeling, sounds a bit passive. It´s like you are hoping things to happen (or not to happen), but not really doing anything to make them happen. There are probably more empowering states than that which would be more useful in LTU. Then again, maybe that is just my own (limited?) perception of what hope means. My subconscious mind might go like "Let´s hope for the best...while I don´t actually have to DO anything" instead of "Let´s do everything we can to achieve our goals AND hope that all goes well...". Even with later statement, the hope sounds like not owning the thing.

Your statements about hope accurately describe the dismal state of the word as we know it today. Most people use hope as a synonym for "VAIN WISHING", which isn't the original way that the word hope was used in the English language. I run into this all the time when I try to use the word hope so I fully understand where you are coming from. That being said I want to describe what hope actually means as defined by the original intent of the word.

Around the late 1800's to early 1900's the meaning of the word hope slowly morphed into the concept of vain wishing from its original meaning which was closer to the intent of the word EXPECTATION. Hope was more often used as a clear definition and confident expectation of a state that is better in the future than in the present. Thus, it had the underlying effect of pushing and driving people to work hard, delay gratification among other things. The word hope more accurately dips into the believing side of humanity and says "yes, the life can and will get better". Think about the implications for a human that has a clear and defined belief that the future will be better than the present. The drive that hope can instill to push for a better future in a present that is mediocre, or worse, absolutely horrifying, is not to be dismissed.

When life sucks, when humanity is rearing its ugly side, when atrocities are everywhere or when the car breaks down or you don't get that job. Hope (a confident expectation that the future can be better than the present) can push you forward. In absence of hope, emotions get the better of you, you live for the present and its current pleasures, life's inevitable sufferings become too much to bear because "what's the point?". It's quite possible that hope could push subliminal users (us) to push past resistance and to wade into the unavoidable chaos that happens due to loss of stability when you are replacing old values and beliefs for new ones. Most people don't enter that territory willingly. But if you have hope (confident expectation) that past the fear of the unknown and belief restructuring process is a better tomorrow and its elevated to a point of surety, which is what hope does, the suffering and chaos suddenly has a point and meaning to it. No one wants to suffer needlessly and life can feel like needless suffering sometimes. But hope puts a goal of a better life beyond the present suffering, and that belief in a better tomorrow becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Thus, hope becomes a driver and a reason to face the present suffering with dignity and grace. It also understands that we are not perfect as we are have room for improvement and that improvement will make our life better and that we can and will get through this and life will be better on the other side.

That is hope!!!! Not vain wishing which is the self delusion of powerless people, but the expectation of the strong and strong willed.

Thank you for the detailed explanation, I appreciate it.

[Jake2015]

@Shannon

Hey Bud, ive got a crashing sound on my sub, at the 50sec-60sec mark.

I have checked the MDsum thing and its the same.

Is this part of the sub?

Im using UM/OP, hybrid trickling stream flac.

thanks