Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[lano1106]

If it is not already done, PE sub should be integrated in AM program. There is no better way to be the alpha in a shower than to be the biggest guy in the room ;-)

It shouldn't be in AM, and it's got little to do with the goal. In fact it's detracting from the goal of really developing what AM is trying to develop.

Why would I give a **** about other guys in a 'shower room'? That thinking is part of the issue that AM would work on.

Well, I guess that what you are saying is that you can have a small one and still be alpha and you are certainly right.

We can disagree on this and it is ok but for the records here are the facts backing my belief:

1. It has been demonstrated scientifically that more T is altering male behavior. Testosterone increase sex drive, risk taking and combativeness. There is also a correlation between testicles size and T production.

2. Here is an extract from Influence from Robert Cialdini in the Authority principle chapter:

Because we see size and status related, it is possible for certain individuals to benefit by susbtituting the former for the latter. In some animal societies, in which the status of an animal is assigned on the basis of dominance, size is an important factor in determining which animal will achieve which status level in the group.

Usually, in combat with a rival, the larger and more powerful animal wins. To avoid the harmful effects to the group of such physical conflict, however, many species employ methods that frequently involve more form than fracas. The two rivals confront each other with showy aggression displays that invariably include size-enhancing tricks. Various mammals arch their backs and bristle their coats; fish extend their fins and puff themselves up with water; birds unfurl and flutter their wings. Very often, this exhibition alone is enough to send one of the histrionic warriors into retreat leaving the contested status position to the seemingly larger and stronger rival.

So in light of this, this is why I believe that penis size has a profound impact on your self-image and on others (males and females). IMHO, that would be totally relevant to have PE sub in AM program.

[SargeMaximus]

Agree with lano. If it can be done, then throw it in there, there's no harm. If everyone could try having a big dick vs a little one I'm sure everyone would choose the bigger one.

[Zane]

Agree with lano. If it can be done, then throw it in there, there's no harm. If everyone could try having a big dick vs a little one I'm sure everyone would choose the bigger one.

Yeah, we all want big stuff

[Shawn]

If it is not already done, PE sub should be integrated in AM program. There is no better way to be the alpha in a shower than to be the biggest guy in the room ;-)

It shouldn't be in AM, and it's got little to do with the goal. In fact it's detracting from the goal of really developing what AM is trying to develop.

Why would I give a **** about other guys in a 'shower room'? That thinking is part of the issue that AM would work on.

Well, I guess that what you are saying is that you can have a small one and still be alpha and you are certainly right.

We can disagree on this and it is ok but for the records here are the facts backing my belief:

1. It has been demonstrated scientifically that more T is altering male behavior. Testosterone increase sex drive, risk taking and combativeness. There is also a correlation between testicles size and T production.

2. Here is an extract from Influence from Robert Cialdini in the Authority principle chapter:

Because we see size and status related, it is possible for certain individuals to benefit by susbtituting the former for the latter. In some animal societies, in which the status of an animal is assigned on the basis of dominance, size is an important factor in determining which animal will achieve which status level in the group.

Usually, in combat with a rival, the larger and more powerful animal wins. To avoid the harmful effects to the group of such physical conflict, however, many species employ methods that frequently involve more form than fracas. The two rivals confront each other with showy aggression displays that invariably include size-enhancing tricks. Various mammals arch their backs and bristle their coats; fish extend their fins and puff themselves up with water; birds unfurl and flutter their wings. Very often, this exhibition alone is enough to send one of the histrionic warriors into retreat leaving the contested status position to the seemingly larger and stronger rival.

So in light of this, this is why I believe that penis size has a profound impact on your self-image and on others (males and females). IMHO, that would be totally relevant to have PE sub in AM program.

This text is about all about body size, which is indeed related to status in terms of Alpha 1.0, not about dick size. And I mean you don't walk through the city and show everyone your dick, do you? So I definitely agree here with Ben.

[findingme]

Jake2015, I couldn't reply to your PM since your inbox is full. Delete some stuff.

[Jake2015]

@Shannon

Hey Mate, UM/OP ITM, is that to be played for a full loop? or can it be played and stopped at any time?

2) 3 loops is in the morning, however for ITM, can you play it 3 loops or more if youre working for that long?

3) and if I recall you said it was ok to play 3 loops and also ITM too, correct?

thanks bud!

[lano1106]

This text is about all about body size, which is indeed related to status in terms of Alpha 1.0, not about dick size. And I mean you don't walk through the city and show everyone your dick, do you? So I definitely agree here with Ben.

If it is accurate concerning height and weight, I have a hard time thinking the dick size isn't part of the equation. Especially when considering the amount of attention that this topic receive everywhere. And people don't need to be naked to evaluate that size. Depending on clothing style, you can pretty much put in evidence that 'asset'.

Just because I love to throw book references here and there. There is another one called My Secret Garden from Nancy Friday which expose the most common female fantasies. One of them are women looking at a man bulge in his pants and get excited to the thought of seeing a man who appear to have a big one.

One possible experiment to settle this question for good. Would be to attend to a swinger wild party (no need to participate) and just make observations about social interactions of the people out there. I'm pretty sure that if that was done, it would be very eye opening... (ie: who are the alphas and who are the betas in that particularly sexual context...)

[Williamx25]

I’m debating on wether or not to quit my DMSI run. I keep getting more and more tired which totally fucks up my other activities like studying/ gym / daily life. I listen 9 loops at night for like 3 days now in a row. I have exams in a few days and I can’t even concentrate anymore on my textbooks. The more I increase my loops the more i’m agressively resisting against the sub.... It doesn’t work out for me. I can’t break through.

I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with me i’m so damn frustrated it’s not funny anymore.
I’ve tortured myself for weeks with this dmsi v3.2 sub and got nothing out of it. Apparently it doesn’t work for me and that’s okay. Some people just don’t respond to it.

I think i’m gonna have a break and just let the program run out and i’ll come back when the final version is released because this isn’t working for me. Way too taxing on my mind and body. God damnit I hate my self so much for resisting it. I’m totally broken and frustrated and I have to take my math and physics exams in 2 days and it’s not looking good. Too much taxing on the body and mind, never thought I would be resisting so hard. I’m fucked up beyond repair.

I’m sorry that I let you guys down.

[Kol]

Which version are you running? 3.2 A or B?

[Shawn]

I’m debating on wether or not to quit my DMSI run. I keep getting more and more tired which totally fucks up my other activities like studying/ gym / daily life. I listen 9 loops at night for like 3 days now in a row. I have exams in a few days and I can’t even concentrate anymore on my textbooks. The more I increase my loops the more i’m agressively resisting against the sub.... It doesn’t work out for me. I can’t break through.

I don’t know what the **** is wrong with me i’m so damn frustrated it’s not funny anymore.
I’ve tortured myself for weeks with this dmsi v3.2 sub and got nothing out of it. Apparently it doesn’t work for me and that’s okay. Some people just don’t respond to it.

I think i’m gonna have a break and just let the program run out and i’ll come back when the final version is released because this isn’t working for me. Way too taxing on my mind and body. God damnit I hate my self so much for resisting it. I’m totally broken and frustrated and I have to take my math and physics exams in 2 days and it’s not looking good. Too much taxing on the body and mind, never thought I would be resisting so hard. I’m ***** up beyond repair.

I’m sorry that I let you guys down.

You should take care of you exams now and not worrying about DMSI. Other than that if you want to experiment you could try later something different. As for some people increasing the loops to 7 a day worked wonder so I wonder if for some people doing the opposite and lowering the loops to one loop every seven days could work also if increasing didn't work.

[MasterEnki]

This text is about all about body size, which is indeed related to status in terms of Alpha 1.0, not about dick size. And I mean you don't walk through the city and show everyone your dick, do you? So I definitely agree here with Ben.

If it is accurate concerning height and weight, I have a hard time thinking the dick size isn't part of the equation. Especially when considering the amount of attention that this topic receive everywhere. And people don't need to be naked to evaluate that size. Depending on clothing style, you can pretty much put in evidence that 'asset'.

Just because I love to throw book references here and there. There is another one called My Secret Garden from Nancy Friday which expose the most common female fantasies. One of them are women looking at a man bulge in his pants and get excited to the thought of seeing a man who appear to have a big one.

One possible experiment to settle this question for good. Would be to attend to a swinger wild party (no need to participate) and just make observations about social interactions of the people out there. I'm pretty sure that if that was done, it would be very eye opening... (ie: who are the alphas and who are the betas in that particularly sexual context...)

Bigger doesn’t seem to always be better though.

I’ve found quite a few threads (on other forums) of guys asking whether they are short / light enough.

Plenty of dudes who are around 6 foot or more have serious doubts about themselves. Similar, guys who are 75+ KGs we’re expressing their doubts.


Of course there are thousands of short guy threads as well asking whether short guys / skinny guys can succeed.

There are ~5 foot guys and 6’6” guys achieving all their goals. They all have similar advice of ‘it is much more difficult for us, but with determination and focus, we got there eventually, it just took us several more years.... etc’


As for penis size, it doesn’t seem all that helpful IME. I am above-average in penis size (according to the surveys out there). My penis comes up to just above my naval / belly button (when erect).

In all fairness, no woman has actually seen it naked yet, so maybe it will be helpful in some situations.


I’m pretty sure size is down on the list of what women really want. Probably not the bottom of the list, but size is likely not-so-important, icing on the cake kind of metric to women.

Logically, SOME women are obsessed with size though.

I have a theory (based on what I have read over the years) which I will discuss on the Religion thread.


IMHO, there is someone out there for (who is an ideal partner) everyone.


Edit: spelling corrections

[TugaInVegas]

I have an interesting thing to share.
I stopped DMSI 3.2 2 days ago, to start the wait for 3.3, after using it since release, and both days i just woke up in the middle of the night, like real full wake up, and couldnt go to sleep again. 1st day i slept 5h, next day 4h, tho i still wake up feeling good, but ofc near the night im tired af.
Has anyone else had the same happen to him and if so, i would like to know if Shannon has anything to say about it.
I would like to add i haven't fully executed, but i do find myself a better man.

[Zane]

I have an interesting thing to share.
I stopped DMSI 3.2 2 days ago, to start the wait for 3.3, after using it since release, and both days i just woke up in the middle of the night, like real full wake up, and couldnt go to sleep again. 1st day i slept 5h, next day 4h, tho i still wake up feeling good, but ofc near the night im tired af.
Has anyone else had the same happen to him and if so, i would like to know if Shannon has anything to say about it.
I would like to add i haven't fully executed, but i do find myself a better man.

I am off DMSI 10 days and now I am only sleeping and lying on my bed.. I was more active on DMSI. How can I be this much relaxed and chill.. I want to be worried about it but damn ARA in DMSI worked so well that I can't even give a fuck if I want to lol.. Oh boy

Although I am noticing that I am not using escape tactic anymore.. But I don't 2anna go outside even to an ATM not because I am afraid of meeting people but... Idk I just don't want to.... Shannon any idea buddy

[SargeMaximus]

Are we supposed to be off DMSI now? Tonight is my asrb break so it’d be perfect timing. However I want to use it without taking break, what will be the downside if I do that? Like, no break between versions. I will still keep the asrb breaks like normal.