Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Tigerismyspirit]

I can´t resist anymore...

I have seen quite many times guys mentioning about how tall/short they are in relation to attraction, where they are 5.7 (this number has popped up on few association, if my memory serves me) and say it´s difficult to attract girls being that "short". Just out of curiosity, in which country/continent do you live? I assume US since you use measure in feet. In many, if not most European countries 5.7 (and half) feet is almost exactly the average height of an adult man, same thing world wide. Quick search on US tells that it is pretty darn close to average as well, and in some parts of it 1 inch shorter. In Asia, that´s tall compared to average...in some places really tall.

I know many women like tall(er) guys, at least taller than themselves. If you are 5.7 you are taller than vast majority of women since on average women are shorter than men. I struggle to understand how the height is such an issue for many guys who are actually average height...or maybe it´s just a limiting belief on your own part? I could understand if you are really short it can be a factor...or TOO tall for that matter! Just wondering...

In the UK it is 5' 10" for men. In Holland the average height is 6'. I don't think height is quite as important to women in many countries, but English women are very superficial about it. Take a look at this sad airhead female journalist in the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...Green.html

I would stay away from these toxic news that corrupt your subconscious with negative beliefs.

[Shannon]

I can´t resist anymore...

I have seen quite many times guys mentioning about how tall/short they are in relation to attraction, where they are 5.7 (this number has popped up on few association, if my memory serves me) and say it´s difficult to attract girls being that "short". Just out of curiosity, in which country/continent do you live? I assume US since you use measure in feet. In many, if not most European countries 5.7 (and half) feet is almost exactly the average height of an adult man, same thing world wide. Quick search on US tells that it is pretty darn close to average as well, and in some parts of it 1 inch shorter. In Asia, that´s tall compared to average...in some places really tall.

I know many women like tall(er) guys, at least taller than themselves. If you are 5.7 you are taller than vast majority of women since on average women are shorter than men. I struggle to understand how the height is such an issue for many guys who are actually average height...or maybe it´s just a limiting belief on your own part? I could understand if you are really short it can be a factor...or TOO tall for that matter! Just wondering...

The majority of women prefer a man that is taller then themselves. Especially in the Balkans where it appears to be an accepted norm.

Place 10 tall women in room and ask a shorter guy to chat them all up. Introduce a tall guy into the room who is taller then any of the women. My bets are that the majority of the women would opt for dating the taller guy. There might be a few women who might opt to date the shorter guy. Lets assume that the tall and short guy are of equal looks and charisma.

The solution is to find a girl who is shorter then you too date.

Place 10 tall women in a room with a shorter guy, and they will respond to him according to their conclusions about him.

The first thing they'll conclude is that he is shorter than them, which will trigger certain automatic reactions (unless he's running [and executing] DMSI). But any man can overcome that by also presenting himself in ways that simultaneously tells her, "It doesn't matter how tall I am, I'm what you're looking for."

Height is one thing women consider, but it isn't at all as important as you guys are trying to make it out to be. It's about attitude, self perception, how you carry yourself, what your attitude, actions, choices and body language are saying.

If you communicate "I know I'm not good enough because I'm too short." then she will believe you.

Likewise, if you communicate, "I may be shorter than you, but who fucking cares? I'm what you're looking for anyway." then she will believe you!

It's like I have said before: people look to you to tell them what to think about you. Whatever you tell them, that's what they'll believe.

Ford is quoted as having said something along the lines of , "The man who believes he can, and the man who believes he can't, are both right."

Exactly.

I am 5'7" tall and it never stopped me from dating women taller than myself. What always stopped me was either the fact that she was already involved, or her personality!

[DarthXedonias]

Hey Shannon.

I will keep this short because I already noticed you had to waste a lot of time replying to a lot of the other comments made.

I only have 2 questions:

(1) If you get the Fear removal module working will that module itself be able to be a standalone sub later on? Like say the new OF 5.5G (or perhaps OF 6G if you wait that long).

Absolutely. I will probably make OF and OGSF out of it, as specific focii, but it is going to be in the skeleton script as a standard part of EVERY program.

(2) If you were to want to put the fear removal module in 3.3 instead of waiting til 3.4, would it put a significant amount of time on the wait for 3.3?

I have to make sure it's safe before I can release it. It's in B17, and I don't know when that will be finished, or how long it will take to test. Things are starting to go a little faster now than I can keep up with in so many directions for making plans out very far, so we will see what happens. But I want to make sure it is safe to release before I do.

I ask the last one because just like when you said about putting key 2 in 3.3 untested, I wouldn't mind waiting for 3.3 if the fear removal module is placed in it. Honestly, part of it is I'm just so annoyed with the creative ways my subconscious has found to not execute the sub. The notable ones being redefining terms/Reversal Resistance on 3.1, and then artificially negating all attraction on 3.2. I'm assuming that if you removed all the fear response then it would stop finding more ways to not execute? I would be more than willing to have to wait on 3.3 if it would just end this merry go around of finding more holes to have to plug up (Mind you not blaming you for that, I'm blaming us for you having to do all that in the first place).

Either way, Hope I didn't waste all your time with those questions.

In theory, the fear removal will end all resistance in one fell swoop. I have had theories like that before, and you see where we are. I'll believe it when I see it.

That said, this time there are some significant differences, and that gives me some genuine hope that we are really at the end of developing this stuff to overcome fear.

It is not a waste of my time to answer the questions of my customers, provided their questions haven't been asked more than a few times already and they're not ridiculous. I don't mind that at all. That is simply part of the job.

Do you suppose, though, that allowing assertions that are false and based in refusal to see things as they really are, or willful ignorance, or a desire to stir up shit, is a good idea without refuting them and correcting them? That's only going to result in more people who simply may not know better starting to believe the same things, which would cause problems for them and us. RisingSon seems to like to make inflammatory posts, at the least, and his last post was a "rant" full of what looks to me like willful ignorance and a desire to simply bash me and stir up shit.

Bashing me isn't going to make things better for anyone. Making posts that are willfully ignorant are not going to help anyone. Stirring up shit isn't going to help anyone. And if I don't refute posts like these, there are plenty of people now and in the future who will come along and believe it, simply because they don't know better. This sort of post is made because someone either has to show off what they "know" or because they just want to spout off ("rant"). Responding to it is important, but it wastes my time to work on subs instead.

None of you are more frustrated with all this than I am, but that sort of thing doesn't help. I am captain of the ship, and the reason you choose to pay what you do for my subs is because you know my subs are better than those made by other people. You also know that I made a promise to keep releasing DMSI for free until it works or I give up on it, and I have lost a hell of a lot of money to that promise, which I keep as a display of my integrity and trustworthiness, and because I absolutely hate breaking promises.

So to those of you who are not happy with what DMSI is doing, help me improve it. Don't make ridiculous posts that try to make me look like I don't know what I'm doing and waste my work time. There's a lot going on behind the scenes that you guys don't know about concerning development of all this stuff, and it will be made public most likely within the next 6 to 12 months. There's a lot more to all this than you know about or understand. I don't care who you are, what you've done or what you think, there's a reason I'm the first and only to have developed subliminals to this degree. It's because I know what I am doing. I may not be perfect, and it may take me some time to get there - but I do know what I'm doing.

And thank you, Darth, for being such a helpful reporter. You and those like you have contributed significantly to my understanding and the development of DMSI.

Thanks Shannon. Also thanks for working on this program for as long as you have.

I did have a question/suggestion if you were open to it. I was wondering if instead of after this current sub of working on UM/OP and DMSI 3.3 round robin like you were thinking, maybe work on UM/OP and Best 17/testing the fear removal module round robin? That way you can see if it really will end this resistance issue and we can have the fear removal module in DMSI 3.3. Also I think you said with the completion of beast 17 you might be able to put Key 2 in there if all goes right. If you are open to that maybe have a poll open to see if everyone would prefer the original plan or perhaps be willing to wait til Beast 17 is done.

Also, if Beast 17 were to work out just fine ( with meeting the time requirement you have for it) would this mean you would be able to finally start farming the tech and start making 6G subs? Could it be possible then that 3.4 could possible be in 6G at that point? Granted I realize that you still have that custom that you need to make sure is one of the first 2 6G subs created.

Anyway, just wanted to throw that out there and see if you would be interested if everyone voted on that. I know for me rather just have 3.3 work (without the subconscious finding creative ways once again to undermine that effort) and maybe just 3.4 being the icing on the cake as it were of more added effects to a already pretty much complete program.

P.S. Out of curiosity, when you farm the tech out of beast 17 (if its the one that meets design spec that is) does that mean your going to have to come up with a acronym for every tech you mind? Just curious as that would seem like, lots and lots of work.

[Fluffy]

If I had a few girlfriends on 3.1, but nothing on 3.2. It makes sense to go back to 3.1, if I want a girlfriend again right?

I think I actually liked and benefitted from the
"training wheels".

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon.

I will keep this short because I already noticed you had to waste a lot of time replying to a lot of the other comments made.

I only have 2 questions:

(1) If you get the Fear removal module working will that module itself be able to be a standalone sub later on? Like say the new OF 5.5G (or perhaps OF 6G if you wait that long).

Absolutely. I will probably make OF and OGSF out of it, as specific focii, but it is going to be in the skeleton script as a standard part of EVERY program.

(2) If you were to want to put the fear removal module in 3.3 instead of waiting til 3.4, would it put a significant amount of time on the wait for 3.3?

I have to make sure it's safe before I can release it. It's in B17, and I don't know when that will be finished, or how long it will take to test. Things are starting to go a little faster now than I can keep up with in so many directions for making plans out very far, so we will see what happens. But I want to make sure it is safe to release before I do.

I ask the last one because just like when you said about putting key 2 in 3.3 untested, I wouldn't mind waiting for 3.3 if the fear removal module is placed in it. Honestly, part of it is I'm just so annoyed with the creative ways my subconscious has found to not execute the sub. The notable ones being redefining terms/Reversal Resistance on 3.1, and then artificially negating all attraction on 3.2. I'm assuming that if you removed all the fear response then it would stop finding more ways to not execute? I would be more than willing to have to wait on 3.3 if it would just end this merry go around of finding more holes to have to plug up (Mind you not blaming you for that, I'm blaming us for you having to do all that in the first place).

Either way, Hope I didn't waste all your time with those questions.

In theory, the fear removal will end all resistance in one fell swoop. I have had theories like that before, and you see where we are. I'll believe it when I see it.

That said, this time there are some significant differences, and that gives me some genuine hope that we are really at the end of developing this stuff to overcome fear.

It is not a waste of my time to answer the questions of my customers, provided their questions haven't been asked more than a few times already and they're not ridiculous. I don't mind that at all. That is simply part of the job.

Do you suppose, though, that allowing assertions that are false and based in refusal to see things as they really are, or willful ignorance, or a desire to stir up shit, is a good idea without refuting them and correcting them? That's only going to result in more people who simply may not know better starting to believe the same things, which would cause problems for them and us. RisingSon seems to like to make inflammatory posts, at the least, and his last post was a "rant" full of what looks to me like willful ignorance and a desire to simply bash me and stir up shit.

Bashing me isn't going to make things better for anyone. Making posts that are willfully ignorant are not going to help anyone. Stirring up shit isn't going to help anyone. And if I don't refute posts like these, there are plenty of people now and in the future who will come along and believe it, simply because they don't know better. This sort of post is made because someone either has to show off what they "know" or because they just want to spout off ("rant"). Responding to it is important, but it wastes my time to work on subs instead.

None of you are more frustrated with all this than I am, but that sort of thing doesn't help. I am captain of the ship, and the reason you choose to pay what you do for my subs is because you know my subs are better than those made by other people. You also know that I made a promise to keep releasing DMSI for free until it works or I give up on it, and I have lost a hell of a lot of money to that promise, which I keep as a display of my integrity and trustworthiness, and because I absolutely hate breaking promises.

So to those of you who are not happy with what DMSI is doing, help me improve it. Don't make ridiculous posts that try to make me look like I don't know what I'm doing and waste my work time. There's a lot going on behind the scenes that you guys don't know about concerning development of all this stuff, and it will be made public most likely within the next 6 to 12 months. There's a lot more to all this than you know about or understand. I don't care who you are, what you've done or what you think, there's a reason I'm the first and only to have developed subliminals to this degree. It's because I know what I am doing. I may not be perfect, and it may take me some time to get there - but I do know what I'm doing.

And thank you, Darth, for being such a helpful reporter. You and those like you have contributed significantly to my understanding and the development of DMSI.

Thanks Shannon. Also thanks for working on this program for as long as you have.

I did have a question/suggestion if you were open to it. I was wondering if instead of after this current sub of working on UM/OP and DMSI 3.3 round robin like you were thinking, maybe work on UM/OP and Best 17/testing the fear removal module round robin? That way you can see if it really will end this resistance issue and we can have the fear removal module in DMSI 3.3. Also I think you said with the completion of beast 17 you might be able to put Key 2 in there if all goes right. If you are open to that maybe have a poll open to see if everyone would prefer the original plan or perhaps be willing to wait til Beast 17 is done.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but rest assured, the fear removal module is going to be tested ASAP. I am also using the subs I produce in the interim between the custom and 3.3 to add new technology and/or make improvements to how things are done that will be backported to 3.3. The next program I release is going to have both improvements and new technology, although I am not necessarily going to be explaining it, since I want to see how well it works as it exists currently to know if it needs improvement before inclusion in 3.3.

Also, if Beast 17 were to work out just fine ( with meeting the time requirement you have for it) would this mean you would be able to finally start farming the tech and start making 6G subs? Could it be possible then that 3.4 could possible be in 6G at that point? Granted I realize that you still have that custom that you need to make sure is one of the first 2 6G subs created.

The only way I can start mining the tech from Beast is if, in a formal test, it achieves a very specific goal. I can tell that we are very, very close with B16, if not already there by the informal tests. The reason I can't use informal test results is that the specific circumstances and such required are required to positively identify the success of the program. Otherwise, it may be successful and we might not know it simply because a variable is off which artificially prevents it from being successful; or, it might not really be successful, but because of a chance variable configuration, it appears to be. But once I have it function as necessary, even just once, in formal testing, there can be no doubt that it works as intended. At that point, I am free to start mining it for the technology modules and build the 6G skeleton script in earnest.

I am expecting it to take me 2-4 months to port the technology modules that make up Beast, because I can't just copy and paste. They are designed to interact with one another and other aspects of the script that are not yet in place, and I have to port those aspects of Beast as well. They also need to be translated from the specific goal of Beast to point to whatever the goal of the program is. So whether 3.4 is in 6G or we have to do a 4.0 to take it there, it is very likely that we will have the final version in 6G. But it won't be the first or second 6G program built.

Anyway, just wanted to throw that out there and see if you would be interested if everyone voted on that. I know for me rather just have 3.3 work (without the subconscious finding creative ways once again to undermine that effort) and maybe just 3.4 being the icing on the cake as it were of more added effects to a already pretty much complete program.

I will do what I can. Developing and coordinating all this will definitely not be simple, or easy. But it will get done.

P.S. Out of curiosity, when you farm the tech out of beast 17 (if its the one that meets design spec that is) does that mean your going to have to come up with a acronym for every tech you mind? Just curious as that would seem like, lots and lots of work.

I'm not going to be worrying about giving you a long list of acronyms. It won't mean anything to you, and it will only waste my time at that point. Because, you nailed it. It will be lots and lots of work, with no real value.

[Shannon]

If I had a few girlfriends on 3.1, but nothing on 3.2. It makes sense to go back to 3.1, if I want a girlfriend again right?

I think I actually liked and benefitted from the
"training wheels".

You're making a pretty big assumption as to why you don't have girlfriends on 3.2, and it would be my expert opinion that if the lack of "training wheels" is to blame at all, it would be only one reason among two or three.

Going back to 3.1 doesn't make sense to me, but if you think that'll get you more girlfriends, try it and see. 3.3 is coming out in between 30 and 60 days, most likely, so keep that in mind.

[Fluffy]

If I had a few girlfriends on 3.1, but nothing on 3.2. It makes sense to go back to 3.1, if I want a girlfriend again right?

I think I actually liked and benefitted from the
"training wheels".

You're making a pretty big assumption as to why you don't have girlfriends on 3.2, and it would be my expert opinion that if the lack of "training wheels" is to blame at all, it would be only one reason among two or three.

Going back to 3.1 doesn't make sense to me, but if you think that'll get you more girlfriends, try it and see. 3.3 is coming out in between 30 and 60 days, most likely, so keep that in mind.

Yeah, meet them half way was in 3.1 but not in 3.2 and in 3.1 I was much more motivated in meeting women half way, sometimes quite literally! One weekend I met 1 on Saturday, and two on Sunday, I was super motivated. But not on 3.2, it felt different.

Yeah it's possible it is other reasons, but it makes sense to me based on my experience.

[TugaInVegas]

3.3 is coming out in between 30 and 60 days, most likely, so keep that in mind.

So this is the time where the people who are using DMSI 3.2 should stop right?

[DarkPlouf]

If I had a few girlfriends on 3.1, but nothing on 3.2. It makes sense to go back to 3.1, if I want a girlfriend again right?

I think I actually liked and benefitted from the
"training wheels".

You're making a pretty big assumption as to why you don't have girlfriends on 3.2, and it would be my expert opinion that if the lack of "training wheels" is to blame at all, it would be only one reason among two or three.

Going back to 3.1 doesn't make sense to me, but if you think that'll get you more girlfriends, try it and see. 3.3 is coming out in between 30 and 60 days, most likely, so keep that in mind.

Yeah, meet them half way was in 3.1 but not in 3.2 and in 3.1 I was much more motivated in meeting women half way, sometimes quite literally! One weekend I met 1 on Saturday, and two on Sunday, I was super motivated. But not on 3.2, it felt different.

Yeah it's possible it is other reasons, but it makes sense to me based on my experience.

From what I understand, the "meet them halfway" module wasn't supposed at all to motivate you to take action. The meet them halfway was there to limit the affected side from acting without any initiative from you.

[Jake2015]

I can´t resist anymore...

I have seen quite many times guys mentioning about how tall/short they are in relation to attraction, where they are 5.7 (this number has popped up on few association, if my memory serves me) and say it´s difficult to attract girls being that "short". Just out of curiosity, in which country/continent do you live? I assume US since you use measure in feet. In many, if not most European countries 5.7 (and half) feet is almost exactly the average height of an adult man, same thing world wide. Quick search on US tells that it is pretty darn close to average as well, and in some parts of it 1 inch shorter. In Asia, that´s tall compared to average...in some places really tall.

I know many women like tall(er) guys, at least taller than themselves. If you are 5.7 you are taller than vast majority of women since on average women are shorter than men. I struggle to understand how the height is such an issue for many guys who are actually average height...or maybe it´s just a limiting belief on your own part? I could understand if you are really short it can be a factor...or TOO tall for that matter! Just wondering...

The majority of women prefer a man that is taller then themselves. Especially in the Balkans where it appears to be an accepted norm.

Place 10 tall women in room and ask a shorter guy to chat them all up. Introduce a tall guy into the room who is taller then any of the women. My bets are that the majority of the women would opt for dating the taller guy. There might be a few women who might opt to date the shorter guy. Lets assume that the tall and short guy are of equal looks and charisma.

The solution is to find a girl who is shorter then you too date.

Place 10 tall women in a room with a shorter guy, and they will respond to him according to their conclusions about him.

The first thing they'll conclude is that he is shorter than them, which will trigger certain automatic reactions (unless he's running [and executing] DMSI). But any man can overcome that by also presenting himself in ways that simultaneously tells her, "It doesn't matter how tall I am, I'm what you're looking for."

Height is one thing women consider, but it isn't at all as important as you guys are trying to make it out to be. It's about attitude, self perception, how you carry yourself, what your attitude, actions, choices and body language are saying.

If you communicate "I know I'm not good enough because I'm too short." then she will believe you.

Likewise, if you communicate, "I may be shorter than you, but who ***** cares? I'm what you're looking for anyway." then she will believe you!

It's like I have said before: people look to you to tell them what to think about you. Whatever you tell them, that's what they'll believe.

Ford is quoted as having said something along the lines of , "The man who believes he can, and the man who believes he can't, are both right."

Exactly.

I am 5'7" tall and it never stopped me from dating women taller than myself. What always stopped me was either the fact that she was already involved, or her personality!

But @Shannon Height does matter to women. Lets take a guy like us who is 5.7 tall.

Most girls our height will only consider a taller man and why because height is sexy because they automatically assume height means strength, even if the guy is skinny. This was due to a recent study:

https://www.spring.org.uk/2018/07/attrac...pe-men.php

Now lets take a look at shorter girls, most girls shorter such as 5.6, 5.5 and 5.4 will still prefer taller men yet they would look at those that are 5.8 and 5.9.

Only when you get down to the 5.3 and below will they consider us at 5.7.

Most 10s and I mean 10s are 5.6 or 5.7 and above.

They reach us at height level and these 10s and I dont mean 10 lightly, but 10s who are perfection will date taller men then us always.

I have yet to see a taller 10 that dates a shorter man that isnt rich or powerful or a celeb.

beyond this, today I finished a 3 day course that I had started on monday. I have written about what Im about to share in my thread/journal if you want to read.

At this 3 day course I have met the HOTTEST girl that I have ever ever ever met in real life in my entire life. I cannot think of any female hotter than her.

She was hot in every possible way, her hair, toes, fingers, fashion, make up, style, face, intelligence, anything you want to say she had it and most of all I wouldnt call her a 10, i would call her a 12!

And guess what her bf, is a fairly skinning/slim looking tall fellow and shes 5.7 as us.

I dont know why she went for him but I hope to save her lol

So I have this question, can DMSI or will DMSI work on girls that have bfs/gfs/partner?

And can we get to a stage where DMSI will work on girls we "consciously notice" ? and want to attract that they desire and crave us like crazy?

I tried and tried to repeat affirmative statements asking her to see me, notice me, want me desire me with the power of DMSI (in my mind) and nothing worked.

Sure I made her laugh, I seem to always make people laugh but nothing worked

[Jake2015]

@Shannon

Ill try and make this quick buddy!

As you may recall, i have had no effects since I increased 3.2 6-7 loops via phone.

My conclusion: either increasing loops fails me or listening now from a phone fails me.

When I was listening to 1 loop via earphones I had almost immediate effects. eg: no fap for 56 days.

Im on day 19 (when I asked this) of 6-7 loops and had to listen to 1 loop yesterday which I did with earphones.

I woke knowing I had dreams - nothing sexual but had girls in there, 1-2 that I have liked in the past 6months & then all day I had an urge to masturbate and then I did and it was wonderful!

shall I go back to 1 loop a day with earphones my friend?

and if you do go on to make UM/OP focusfire do you think I have a chance of executing that or shall i continue on the DMSI road until we reach a point where I am truly executing finally?

also I noticed I have way more grey hair, is this possible from DMSI?

thank you

[MasterEnki]

Physically speaking, I’m below average adult male height at 5.7 ~ 5.8 and ectomorphic body type. Which makes me a few inches below average for 30yo male.

I have had an extremely difficult time attracting the interest of women.

I’m just like some of the other guys here. I’m a great, hardworking, down-to-earth guy who has several hobbies, and I’m naturally loyal, determined and honest, etc. (In theory, I should be a highly desirable dating option).


If you are below average height:
a) With a lot of women, you are screwed (the bad kind of screwed, as in hopeless / doomed) no matter what.
b) There are some women who will date below average height guys, as long as they excel in other areas.


Below average height guys are at a significant disadvantage, and have a more limited dating pool / less options. But still have some options, providing they work hard on themselves.


I’m a virgin, who has only had one woman (37yo woman) who wanted to sleep with me. The only reason I haven’t slept with her is because she lives in a group home, and her carer said that she (the carer) will have me charged for rape if I do anything with the woman (37yo woman).

37yo woman is 5.10, which is about 2 inches taller than me. So she probably doesn’t mind that I am shorter.


I’m still hopeful that AYP will, eventually, manifest someone who I can, and she is able to (circumstances wise), have a sexual relationship with.

And other subs with manifestation should eventually work also.

I have seriously considered DMSI, but AYP appeals way more to me. One highly compatiable ‘perfect for me’ partner would be vastly better than dozens of random hot chicks.


Back to the short-guy discussion:

I have bulked up a little since doing a few years of Gym training / conditioning, and most of that seems to be muscle.

Pretty sure that shorter guys look more ripped (compared to taller) with the same amount of muscle. That is one perk of being shorter.


Ultimately, it is all relative,
Above average height and taller guys may have an easier time with dating / attracting women, but shorter guys have a much easier time mastering a solid planche.

[Jake2015]

Physically speaking, I’m below average adult male height at 5.7 ~ 5.8 and ectomorphic body type. Which makes me a few inches below average for 30yo male.

I have had an extremely difficult time attracting the interest of women.

I’m just like some of the other guys here. I’m a great, hardworking, down-to-earth guy who has several hobbies, and I’m naturally loyal, determined and honest, etc. (In theory, I should be a highly desirable dating option).


If you are below average height:
a) With a lot of women, you are screwed (the bad kind of screwed, as in hopeless / doomed) no matter what.
b) There are some women who will date below average height guys, as long as they excel in other areas.


Below average height guys are at a significant disadvantage, and have a more limited dating pool / less options. But still have some options, providing they work hard on themselves.


I’m a virgin, who has only had one woman (37yo woman) who wanted to sleep with me. The only reason I haven’t slept with her is because she lives in a group home, and her carer said that she (the carer) will have me charged for rape if I do anything with the woman (37yo woman).

37yo woman is 5.10, which is about 2 inches taller than me. So she probably doesn’t mind that I am shorter.


I’m still hopeful that AYP will, eventually, manifest someone who I can, and she is able to (circumstances wise), have a sexual relationship with.

And other subs with manifestation should eventually work also.

I have seriously considered DMSI, but AYP appeals way more to me. One highly compatiable ‘perfect for me’ partner would be vastly better than dozens of random hot chicks.


Back to the short-guy discussion:

I have bulked up a little since doing a few years of Gym training / conditioning, and most of that seems to be muscle.

Pretty sure that shorter guys look more ripped (compared to taller) with the same amount of muscle. That is one perk of being shorter.


Ultimately, it is all relative,
Above average height and taller guys may have an easier time with dating / attracting women, but shorter guys have a much easier time mastering a solid planche.

Well I'm 5.7. When I was slimmer and had hair I could get 1 or 2 girls usually but with intense effort.

I'm now older fatter with thinning hair loss and I'm able to make women laugh cos my personality and humour are on a super high level yet I can't attract anything except indigestion.

The cards are stacked against us. Hot girls simply favour hot guys. That's the reality of life. They love hot guys same way hot guys love hot girls.

[Benjamin]

Jeez I can't get over how you guys overanalyze so much that there's pages upon pages of comments on just height.

Or am I missing something? (Serious question Ben don’t ban me)

Maybe if you don't do things like attacking a user who posts a positive report on DMSI or creating stupid arguments it won't happen in the future. The first one was the main reason recently.