Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[JackOfHearts]

By "buzzing" are you referring to tinnitus? Tinnitus is only possible if you are using the ultrasonic or hybrid track too loudly, or you are playing the masked tracks WAY the hell too loudly (heavy metal concert loudly) on speakers. If this is the case, all you need to do is adjust the volume downwards or switch to masked. I suggest that if you have ringing in your ears, it is most likely the ultrasonic being too loud, so just adjust it downwards a bit per day until that stops.

You can listen to it forever, as long as you're using it at a safe volume. I suggest you use it for (X-35) more days, where X is the date of release for DMSI 3.3.

I wasn't in either of this cases and I still got tinnitus from subliminals, so I doubt that it's the only possible way to get tinnitus.

I seriously doubt that. I would say you already had tinnitus and using the subliminals the way you did made it more obvious. But the masked tracks cannot give you tinnitus unless you use them at rock concert level volumes, because they are just like any other sound. Ultrasonic audio is known to trigger tinnitus, and it has to be used at lower volumes than masked to prevent that for some people.

You can seriously doubt about it if you want it doesn't change what I have experienced.
I never had any problem what so ever in my hearing before doing AM5, I would go in clubs with music much higher than normal level and I wouldn't have any hearing pain or tinnitus sound after it.
After doing AM5 around stage 4 or 5 I started to get tinnitus with pain from just from people speaking if it's a bit loud, I always listened to the masked track during that time. Also the sound level was quite low as my brother couldn't hear it in the next room, certainly not rock concert level.

So according to you it made my tinnitus more obvious, even if it was the case that would still make your subliminal the culprit especially since tinnitus is a subjective problems. Probably everyone can remember an experience when they heard a very loud noise and their hears hurt a little bit, in wars video games you can see that all the time when a grenade explode near the player, to make it realistic the player hear this hissing sound for about 5 seconds or so. Tinnitus is exactly that but it doesn't stop.
In that grenade example would you say if a guy experience that in real life and he got tinnitus afterward from it, would say that grenade wasn't the cause of the tinnitus but that it just made it more obvious to him that he tinnitus before. I could have others example like with headache, if you don't notice you have an headache, then you don't have any headache as it's subjective, same with tinnitus, if you don't notice it then you don't have it.

because they are just like any other sound.

I agree with you on that. There is a thing written on headset sometimes, like don't listen for long period of time as it may damage your hearing.
It can be normal sound from speaker, it still seems to damage the hearing after long period of times. And to me it's exactly what I experience if I watch movies all day or series or youtube or music all day without stopping my tinnitus gets stronger. And if I use headset it worsen the effects.
The sound doesn't need to be special, hearing your subs more than 8 hours a day is probably not a good thing for anyone long term wise.

Human ears are designed to be used for very long periods of time. Your whole life, in fact. That warning on the sides of headphones isn't about using them for long periods of time, it's about using them at high volumes for too long. You can listen to waves crashing at the beach for a whole life, if you live at the beach, and never have tinnitus in response. You can listen to jungle sounds under the same circumstances, and same deal. But somehow, listening to a masked subliminal is supposed to be triggering tinnitus because of the masking track being played at reasonable volume? I'm going to have to say that's not possible.

The only way I can think of that you could possibly have tinnitus in direct response to the subliminal under the conditions you describe, is if it is some sort of previously unrealized resistance tactic. I don't question that you experienced it, but I do question what caused it, and I guarantee that the masking tracks I use, played at reasonable volumes, can't do that. I can also guarantee you that the subliminalized audio itself can't do that for the very same reason on a masked track. Leaving us with the only possible explanation being some sort of subconscious response to the subliminal messages. And honestly, I can't see how that is possible either... although I do not know what the cause(s) of tinnitus are (aside from overvolume of audio). So that seems a possible explanation, but I have a significantly hard time following how that is possible even as a resistance tactic unless it is an extremely rare resistance tactic that results from the subconscious trying to get you to stop listening. Otherwise we'd have figured out that it's a resistance tactic already.

I don't agree with you at all on that, my experience has been very different from what you describe here.

First your comparison to natural sound isn't appropriate to me, what I listen to isn't natural sound. It's reproduced natural sound from a speaker, which is totally different for me.
Sound from nature, waves, or rain sounds are way more loud than your subliminal that I play during the night or the video I watch on internet.
But those naturals sounds doesn't trigger any fatigue or tinnitus but sounds produce from the speaker, headphone or any sound device do produce tinnitus for me, and the longer I use the stronger the effect.
Yesterday I played 8 hours of hypnosis track while I sleep, I do notice that my tinnitus is slightly stronger this morning.

One can do the same comparison with headphone, the volume limit that is said to produce damage is way lower than the sound of waves at the beach at least to me.

Resistance, no comment on that.

[Greenduck]

So how then do we explain the complete failure of all attempts I have made to stop, prevent or even reduce tinnitus? Every sub since DMSI 2.5 has had a complete multi-statement anti-tinnitus module, and the 5G program for it also fails.

Well you are the expert, but maybe it's inevitable to take away the sound of "the script being played up" in one's mind?

It isn't that annoying for me, not like the high pitch sound you get the day after a loud concert, but lower and more gentle.

It also feels like when something is worked on, the pitch become more distinct.

[Shawn]

So how then do we explain the complete failure of all attempts I have made to stop, prevent or even reduce tinnitus? Every sub since DMSI 2.5 has had a complete multi-statement anti-tinnitus module, and the 5G program for it also fails.

Well you are the expert, but maybe it's inevitable to take away the sound of "the script being played up" in one's mind?

It isn't that annoying for me, not like the high pitch sound you get the day after a loud concert, but lower and more gentle.

It also feels like when something is worked on, the pitch become more distinct.

I am pretty much with Greenduck here. I don't even think this is "real" tinnitus but the side effect of processing the script. I can't tell the reason, but maybe some personality types, maybe these ones who are more easily overwhelmed by a huge amount of information hear it es some sort of echo of processing the script, I don't know. And I also don't perceive it as that loud so it doesn't bother me at all.

[Have at ye]

So how then do we explain the complete failure of all attempts I have made to stop, prevent or even reduce tinnitus? Every sub since DMSI 2.5 has had a complete multi-statement anti-tinnitus module, and the 5G program for it also fails.

Well you are the expert, but maybe it's inevitable to take away the sound of "the script being played up" in one's mind?

It isn't that annoying for me, not like the high pitch sound you get the day after a loud concert, but lower and more gentle.

It also feels like when something is worked on, the pitch become more distinct.

I am pretty much with Greenduck here. I don't even think this is "real" tinnitus but the side effect of processing the script. I can't tell the reason, but maybe some personality types, maybe these ones who are more easily overwhelmed by a huge amount of information hear it es some sort of echo of processing the script, I don't know. And I also don't perceive it as that loud so it doesn't bother me at all.

FWIW, I can't say anything about tinnitus because I've rightly no idea, but I did notice that when I'm attempting to resist the script the sound of the subliminal becomes... annoying, unpleasant, especially at louder volumes. This usually passes with use.

(Haven't noticed anything tinnitus-like even though I've been playing the hybrid tracks on headphones, sometimes at pretty high volumes, though. And my ears do see significant use due to my profession and the occasional rock concert I like to attend).

Now that I've switched to the Ocean Surf hybrid track, I'm finding it much easier on the ears for some reason than the Trickling Stream hybrid, even though I've maintained the same volume. On the trickling stream track the parts when the subliminal content kicked in were very much apparent to my hearing. On ocean surf, I'd have to consciously look for it to notice.

Dunno what this means exactly, but so it is.

[Shannon]

I wasn't in either of this cases and I still got tinnitus from subliminals, so I doubt that it's the only possible way to get tinnitus.

I seriously doubt that. I would say you already had tinnitus and using the subliminals the way you did made it more obvious. But the masked tracks cannot give you tinnitus unless you use them at rock concert level volumes, because they are just like any other sound. Ultrasonic audio is known to trigger tinnitus, and it has to be used at lower volumes than masked to prevent that for some people.

You can seriously doubt about it if you want it doesn't change what I have experienced.
I never had any problem what so ever in my hearing before doing AM5, I would go in clubs with music much higher than normal level and I wouldn't have any hearing pain or tinnitus sound after it.
After doing AM5 around stage 4 or 5 I started to get tinnitus with pain from just from people speaking if it's a bit loud, I always listened to the masked track during that time. Also the sound level was quite low as my brother couldn't hear it in the next room, certainly not rock concert level.

So according to you it made my tinnitus more obvious, even if it was the case that would still make your subliminal the culprit especially since tinnitus is a subjective problems. Probably everyone can remember an experience when they heard a very loud noise and their hears hurt a little bit, in wars video games you can see that all the time when a grenade explode near the player, to make it realistic the player hear this hissing sound for about 5 seconds or so. Tinnitus is exactly that but it doesn't stop.
In that grenade example would you say if a guy experience that in real life and he got tinnitus afterward from it, would say that grenade wasn't the cause of the tinnitus but that it just made it more obvious to him that he tinnitus before. I could have others example like with headache, if you don't notice you have an headache, then you don't have any headache as it's subjective, same with tinnitus, if you don't notice it then you don't have it.

because they are just like any other sound.

I agree with you on that. There is a thing written on headset sometimes, like don't listen for long period of time as it may damage your hearing.
It can be normal sound from speaker, it still seems to damage the hearing after long period of times. And to me it's exactly what I experience if I watch movies all day or series or youtube or music all day without stopping my tinnitus gets stronger. And if I use headset it worsen the effects.
The sound doesn't need to be special, hearing your subs more than 8 hours a day is probably not a good thing for anyone long term wise.

Human ears are designed to be used for very long periods of time. Your whole life, in fact. That warning on the sides of headphones isn't about using them for long periods of time, it's about using them at high volumes for too long. You can listen to waves crashing at the beach for a whole life, if you live at the beach, and never have tinnitus in response. You can listen to jungle sounds under the same circumstances, and same deal. But somehow, listening to a masked subliminal is supposed to be triggering tinnitus because of the masking track being played at reasonable volume? I'm going to have to say that's not possible.

The only way I can think of that you could possibly have tinnitus in direct response to the subliminal under the conditions you describe, is if it is some sort of previously unrealized resistance tactic. I don't question that you experienced it, but I do question what caused it, and I guarantee that the masking tracks I use, played at reasonable volumes, can't do that. I can also guarantee you that the subliminalized audio itself can't do that for the very same reason on a masked track. Leaving us with the only possible explanation being some sort of subconscious response to the subliminal messages. And honestly, I can't see how that is possible either... although I do not know what the cause(s) of tinnitus are (aside from overvolume of audio). So that seems a possible explanation, but I have a significantly hard time following how that is possible even as a resistance tactic unless it is an extremely rare resistance tactic that results from the subconscious trying to get you to stop listening. Otherwise we'd have figured out that it's a resistance tactic already.

I don't agree with you at all on that, my experience has been very different from what you describe here.

First your comparison to natural sound isn't appropriate to me, what I listen to isn't natural sound. It's reproduced natural sound from a speaker, which is totally different for me.
Sound from nature, waves, or rain sounds are way more loud than your subliminal that I play during the night or the video I watch on internet.
But those naturals sounds doesn't trigger any fatigue or tinnitus but sounds produce from the speaker, headphone or any sound device do produce tinnitus for me, and the longer I use the stronger the effect.
Yesterday I played 8 hours of hypnosis track while I sleep, I do notice that my tinnitus is slightly stronger this morning.

One can do the same comparison with headphone, the volume limit that is said to produce damage is way lower than the sound of waves at the beach at least to me.

Resistance, no comment on that.

Now it's my turn to say it: disagree all you like. Going to the beach and listening to the waves crashing is the same thing, and has the same effect as listening to a recording of that same sound at the same volume. There is no difference that makes any difference between "natural" and speaker audio sources, except the possibility of volume. The difference lies in the fact that one has subliminal audio in it (masked subliminal) or uses ultrasonic audio (other formats).

It is known that ultrasonic audio can trigger tinnitus at high, and sometimes even moderate volumes. But audio at a normal pitch cannot do that unless you already have tinnitus, or it is extremely loud. And since the masked subliminals use a natural sound to mask the subliminal audio, it is much lower in volume than the masking audio, meaning it cannot be the subliminal audio itself from a volume standpoint. Leaving us with "the subliminal audio is triggering this".

But so far as I can tell, not even the most responsive people have had success with any effort I have made to stop tinnitus in the script - and I have done a very good job of covering all the bases, as far as I can tell. No matter what the cause, it should be responding to the script if it is caused by the subconscious response to the subliminal instructions. But when I use ultrasonics at too high volumes, I still experience tinnitus. I do not experience tinnitus in response to anything else. I am also one of the two best executors of my subliminals I have ever encountered, so given how the anti-tininitus module is designed, it should work for me. It doesn't, and so far I haven't had time to go try again for a third time.

So we are left with... no explanation that works.

One can do the same comparison with headphone, the volume limit that is said to produce damage is way lower than the sound of waves at the beach at least to me.

Sound falls off in volume at the square of the distance from the source. So if you stick the source in your ear, you're going to have to adjust downwards way low to have the same equivalent volume as if you were listening to a speaker further away. That is why. Volume depends on the distance from the source to the ear, and the size of the source. Even a small source can be too loud at a lower volume setting than a larger one, if it is close enough to the eardrum. Case in point.

[Shannon]

So how then do we explain the complete failure of all attempts I have made to stop, prevent or even reduce tinnitus? Every sub since DMSI 2.5 has had a complete multi-statement anti-tinnitus module, and the 5G program for it also fails.

Well you are the expert, but maybe it's inevitable to take away the sound of "the script being played up" in one's mind?

It isn't that annoying for me, not like the high pitch sound you get the day after a loud concert, but lower and more gentle.

It also feels like when something is worked on, the pitch become more distinct.

The current anti-tinnitus script should work for any cause of tinnitus. Especially if it were just a reaction by the subconscious mind.

[Tigerismyspirit]

Shannon posts this and I have the urge to switch onto AM6

Since the Sleep Induction Aid 2.0 is taking longer than I thought to finish, I am going to finish it and then start working round robin on DMSI 3.3 and one or more other programs.

SIA 2.0 is looking promising, but it is very challenging to navigate through all the options I have to figure out whether to turn on or off.

[Kol]

Is DMSI still effective over samsung s7 edge? Is the sound sufficient enough?

[Shannon]

Shannon posts this and I have the urge to switch onto AM6

Since the Sleep Induction Aid 2.0 is taking longer than I thought to finish, I am going to finish it and then start working round robin on DMSI 3.3 and one or more other programs.

SIA 2.0 is looking promising, but it is very challenging to navigate through all the options I have to figure out whether to turn on or off.

That is very interesting. You think that is a fear-escape response from 3.3? That's what it sounds like to me. Makes me wonder what your subconscious knows about 3.3, and how much of that response and knowledge is TID.

[Shannon]

Is DMSI still effective over samsung s7 edge? Is the sound sufficient enough?

Yes. Just need the right volume. It's mono, which isn't as good as stereo, but it will work.

[Theron]

@Shannon
You were planning to build some form of cough relief for yourself a few months ago. Did you manage to do that? How is you cough now?
And not sure if you have already announced the cutoff date for 3.3 prep or not.It will be good to know when to stop running 3.2 and give ourselves the 35 day gap for the next version.

[Kol]

Shannon,

Would you say that having dark triad tendencies, such as narcissism is an strong response to h/c even if it continuous on B? I had a conversation today in which im having an strong reduction in care and empathy at all, till the point, when it spiked, it putted me into an callous tunnelvision like state. I was commented on the stare aswell.

Also, as I was interviewed further and remember it, it was shocking how easy the follow up steps we're to that and how unfazed I was under it. Thinking back to it, mere attention makes this kind of slippery like it is fed instantly. It gains momentum fast in an way it ticks many boxes of npd for example.

That it also is met with curiosity and calculating intelligence is...idk.

I have no clue.

[Smuggler]

Shannon, quick question regarding DMSI. It was mentioned at some point during development of 3.2 about a feature to do with sniping somebody by looking at a photo/online picture? Not much was mentioned about it, did it make it into the release, if so how does one go about activating it, is it just as simple as looking at a picture?

[Shannon]

@Shannon
You were planning to build some form of cough relief for yourself a few months ago. Did you manage to do that? How is you cough now?
And not sure if you have already announced the cutoff date for 3.3 prep or not.It will be good to know when to stop running 3.2 and give ourselves the 35 day gap for the next version.

I have built two cough programs. Both have worked for a short period of time, and then stopped working.

The only thing that seems to affect it significantly is MHS, which is what I am using instead, which has significantly reduced my cough. I still don't understand why this is working when the other two programs are using a catchall approach to correcting whatever the cause may be, but for whatever reason, MHS is, for the time being, what is doing the job so we are going with it. I can't use it all the time, but the cough id bearable right now.

I don't know when 3.3 will be finished, as there is a LOT of stuff I want to add, adjust and optimize in that script, and it is a VERY complex script already. So I'm not going to blow the whistle yet, but it won't be too far off. probably between 1 and 4 weeks.